Six senate seats for the separatist BQ?
Premier Wall, you need to be calling an emergency meeting of your cabinet to draft whatever legislation it takes to protect our resource industry from these crackpots – now.
Contact your Sask Party MLA here.
Update via Bourque “BREAKING: BC Premier Gordon Campbell denounces Coalition putsch: “Stand back, think of Canada !” …”
STILL WONDERING
http://poll.pollcode.com/h1p
I’m glad Campbell made a good statement. He’s a smart man, mostly.
Elizabeth May will be the only “tank” on the hill.
As I sat back and watched this nightmare unfolding, I thought to myself that the only thing missing from the picture was Elizabeth May. Now, apparently, that incredible scenario is a possibility. This is too surreal. Someone wake me up … quickly.
On a more positive note …. does anyone think that there are any Liberal MPs with enough common sense and principles to come to their senses at the last minute and end the madness? We know that these qualities are completely lacking in the camps of Layton and Duceppe.
For your edification….Ujjal Dosanjh on election evening:
(BTW, he only won over the Conservative by 20 votes!)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d1lZB5g7kME
I urge everyone to donate to the Conservative party now. The despicable MSM in this country is doing their best to bring Harper down with this moronic approach that Steven brought this on himself..who suggested that headline, the incoherant poodle or Lenins stupid pissboy nephew Jack. I am donating now and would like to see how much the Conservatives bring in in the next few weeks. I want my children to grow up in a stable country, not this band of lunatics in the public treasury!
I suggest we try to find a dozen or so Liberal MPs who would like to continue their political careers and work on persuading them to cross the floor, for the sake of the country.
This is not business as usual. The people that make this country go (rather than the parasites) are furious, absolutely furious.
This fiasco finishes the LPC.
Why is it that Harper is a failure for not getting a majority in two tries by May and the Greens are a success for not getting ANYONE elected and never getting over 10% of the vote?
CTV POLL Update
Who would you prefer to govern the Country?
conservatives
14571 69%
the ndp-liberal coalition
6428 31%
3:02
This is the first time this has dropped since the poll started early this morning
Coalitions are a fact of life in democracies, get over yourselves. If Canadians wanted to give Harper a majority mandate then they would have given him one.
Heh. I sent an e-mail to the Queen of England (no, not Elton John), as follows:
“Your Majesty, as you are undoubtedly aware, the Governor General of Canada may soon be faced with a monumental decision that is of pre-eminent importance with respect to the governance of Canada. The Governor General may be asked to decide if a coalition of opposition parties, relying on support from a Quebec separatist party, will be permitted to usurp control of the government from the duly-elected Conservative Party of Canada.
Due to the pre-eminence of this decision and the potential for the Governor General’s personal viewpoints to affect her decision, it would seem to be appropriate that you provide thoughtful guidance to the Governor General, on the basis that she is Your Majesty’s representative.
Thank you for your consideration of this matter.”
What the heck…worth a shot…but I’m sure that PMSH has already done this.
OK guys it’s time for a tax revolt. We will have our own Boston Tea Party.
I’ve already started. My freezer is full and my stock cupboard is full. If this coalition sees the lite of day, I will buy only staples. My clothes closet is full and since I will not be dining out I have no need for new ones. I will have private dinner parties and entertain in my home like the good old days.
We have a small business and I do not send my taxes quarterly but at year end. Maybe I will – Maybe I wont. This will depend on if the triad is in government. If they jail granny then so be it. This will save me money in the long run.
I will be closing my stock portfolios – if I lose money I will make it up with all the above savings.
I will pull my money out of the TD Bank and put it in a credit union leaving enough in my safe to go on an extended vacation.
Have I forgotten anything that I can do to make this economy sink if this treasoness trio get the government. If I have please post what else I might do to bring this economy down.
Ducceppe just now… paraphrasing: “Our deal is good for Quebec, good for sovereignty.”
Dion and Layton, should they speck to reporters, need to explain what part of their deal with the Bloc is good for sovereignty.
Christoph
Western separation is the only true BIPARTISAN issue there is. Western Canadians will ALL BENIFIT by excising the cancer that is central Canada. That is the plan, left, right and center coming together to fight a common foe. Remember, with friends like Ontario and Quebec, who needs enemies?
Soon it will be up to central Canadians to answer the question “Why shouldn’t western Canada separate?” because I can assure you that no body is going to make that argument out west.
See for yourself:
http://poll.pollcode.com/h1p
“does anyone think that there are any Liberal MPs with enough common sense and principles ”
No. They are Liberals. Ergo, they have no principles save one: POWER.
shaken i have tried to email ignatieff figuring he is the only one that is against this socialist coalistion, My emails will not go threw, Duffy was elating to this earlier (Vid on ctv.ca) their are rumblings the Ignatieff camp are starting to feel betrayed by Guess Who None other then the Closet Socialist Bob Rae.
Answer this: When has an explicitly Western separatist candidate in any riding received > 1% of the popular vote?
You’re joking, man. An online poll? Linked by SDA?
A reporter just asked Dion to explain Duceppe’s comments that his deal with Layton and Dion is good for sovereignty… he became flustered and couldn’t answer, then he said it’s good for national unity. CBC then quickly cut away from live coverage.
Jose:
And if Canadians Wanted Dion or Layton Or Liz May to be Prime Misnister they would have Elected their Respective Parties in the last Election,
However they did Not
Get Over It YourSelf!
btw: duceppe dont enter into the equation as they are for one thing Only & could never be elected Govt
Jose:
And if Canadians Wanted Dion or Layton Or Liz May to be Prime Minister they would have Elected their Respective Parties in the last Election,
However they did Not
Get Over It YourSelf!
btw: duceppe dont enter into the equation as they are for one thing Only & could never be elected Govt
A tiny radical selection of right-wingers cutting their income and investments, getting penalized for tax evasion (every government takes that seriously, including Conservative ones), and wearing dumpy clothes. That will show them.
May to the Senate isn’t a surprise. She likely has a “contract” signed by the obvious person that should he become prime minister after the last election she would be Senatized for “services rendered”.
The comments prior to mine illustrate that the grounds for this coalition are nothing but quicksand. The grumbling has started and the monster is only two days old.
I read a decent article by a former advisor to the GG who stated that it is unlikely that the GG could grant her sanction to an idea that seems destined to collapse in such short order.
You mean the Ontario that voted Conservative this time around?
Christoph – stuff it. Go back to your playground.
I am dead serious, I don’t joke about something that will effect my children and grandchildrens life. You youngster, haven’t lived long enough to understand what is important. You are part of the MEMEME crowd.
Jose: **Coalitions are a fact of life in democracies, get over yourselves. If Canadians wanted to give Harper a majority mandate then they would have given him one.**
Minority governments are a fact of life in the Canadian democracy. If the big-four (Lib, Bloc, NDP and Green), with their rather diverse platforms, pull this one off, there is probably no further use in the GG allowing any government to be formed by any party in a minority position.
Exactly, you God-damn separatists.
dolly:
Ontario voted in 51 Conservative members out of 100 seats.
Toronto, on the other hand …
I know you’re serious. You’re just a radical nutbar who’s going to teach your children to evade taxes, and probably also to pay the penalties for same.
Am I accusing you of being an immoral person — a person advocating crime — and a bad parent? Yes.
Liberals have reached the breaking point with this government of Harpers. He has denied them the keys to the treasury for far to long for a liberal, there is nothing to steal where they are, just look at their donations, none, not even themselves donate to this corrupt band of liars. In their little swindling minds this is business as usual, and we can all thank the mini bastard Danny Williams for a large part of this mess, as most of his Newfies are here in Alberta working and sending money home like so many other expats, he continues to dump on success.
What would be interesting is for the western conservative MPs to resign and then run under a western separatist banner. Apparently it is the best way to extort money, senate seats and special powers from the ROC. You do not even have to do fund raising, just sit back and collect public financing.
If Canada has 10 provinces & 3 territorys and in all of them I can vote for cons,libs,dippers & various fringe partys.Yet if I want to vote bloc it exists only in the province of Quebec.Therefore if the majority of Canadians cannot accept or reject the bloc at the ballot box,how can it be constitutionaly legal for the lib / dipper coalition to form an alliance with the bloc /and give them the balance of power over all Canadians.This is a coup and the vast majority of Canadians have just seen their votes and their country hi-jacked.
I am from Ontario — for more generations than there has been a Canada. And I must tell you westerners — Albertans especially — something. We despise you. Not all of us, but enough of us that that is a fair conclusion to draw. Would anyone ever have countenanced this against a central based party? Or used the kind of rhetoric the liberals have against the west in recent years?
No, learn your lesson. Ontario despises you, sad to say.
This is becoming More & More Obvious that this was a Pack that was made long before an election call, We all know about the lib/grn but the way Jack likes motel rooms & the way they Ganged up on National TV (debates)
I think Canadians are going to be more Outraged then ever
I am from Ontario,for more generations than there has been a Canada AND Ken B is talking out his ASS.
It sucks, but it is constitutional. Everyone with any sense acknowledges that, including the CPC.
I don’t support it. I believe it should be opposed by any and all legal means. I believe the Governor-General should (but probably won’t) shoot it down, unless Harper prorogues Parliament first and the coaltion collapses by January 27th.
Failing that, we should hang this over the Liberals’ and NDP’s head like an albatross — which will be more difficult thanks to some of your own secession nonsense (I’m not saying you, greyburr; your comment, at least on its face, implies that you aren’t a separatist.)
But you’re not understanding something, doesn’t make your wishes true!
People who say it’s “unconstitutional”, prey explain how? In your explanation, try to cite — you know — “the Canadian Constitution”.
Thanks.
New poll on burque. You know what to do.
Let’s recap the latest:
* Cabal to appoint six separatists plus failed Greens leader May to the Senate.
* $1B cash payment to be delivered to Quebec.
This must be some kind of bad dream. I wonder if the rumors about Iggy getting cold feet are true? He may looking at taking over a party that doesn’t electorally exist by the spring.
Because salting polls on Bourque is so important.
Christoph – aside from recent reactionaries, passers by, and the odd curious type, western separatism is an appealing and pragmatic path to get out of this statist gulag known as Canada.
Whether unequal representation amongst regions (Quebec), uneven political influence across regions (Ontario), or simply taxation without representation – federations such as Canada are inevitably doomed.
The landmass is extant, the cultures not shared, and political leadership plays one against the other for personal gain. The inevitability of breakdown is shown throughout history – and the recent consolidation of the USSR is a clean example of the lust and drive of national ‘leaders’. The desire to have, possess, and peddle influence is boundless in these types, whether Putin, Layton, or Mulroney.
The delusion within our particular statist gulag is that westerners will have some form of input into the leadership of the country. Whether population, economics, or intellectual leadership drive a legitimate claim to such – is the issue. Central Canadia – by virtue and influence of existing power – will not let that happen.
There are the reactionaries and emotional ones in here who will like the idea of separatism on the face, but whose commitment is low. And recent actions will fuel them.
But for the persistent and steady 18% in Alberta who see it as a viable option, the only question to be had is: ‘how long until it happens?’
Dismissing such sentiment reveals your own bias more than actually criticizing – or making a rational argument against separation.
Which I notice, you certainly have avoided. Res ipsa loquitor.
Facebook link, in case it hasn’t been posted here.
Canadians Against a Liberal/NDP Coalition Gov’t –
http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=51442165364
Why is there no discussion of the fact that the deal with the devil’s is specifically only good for 6 months? With the Liberal Party constitutionally into a leadership convention, the deal is only good until the new leader is picked, then it needs to be re-written.
I am at best a only-as-a-last-resort separatist but this coalition action will inflame westerners. There is no denying that. The pattern of the Liberals makes it clear that they have no intention of ever giving the west their voice in this country. We are here solely to provide for Quebec in the style they have become accustomed to. The question then becomes – Is there now more benefits to leaving than staying? Are the pros for separation greater than the cons?
We do have “some form of input”. The person we wanted to be Prime Minister, a Westerner, was, for years. He still is. He may be in a month or he may not.
I don’t know how to break it to you, but we don’t have the majority of Canada’s population. As a rule, Ohio has more to say about the Americans’ Presidency than Montana and California more about the Congress’s makeup than Maine.
Funny that.
Conservative support was quite widely spread across the country this last election, and that is a great leap forward. If this dog of a Liberal-NDP-Bloc deal goes down, it might even increase.
Yes, there are problems with Canada: the Senate and size of ridings in particular (where PEI gets by far the best deal).
Larger population centres always have more “say”, even in the provinces. That’s a physical reality. Breaking up our country won’t change it, it will just shift it.
Christoph,
No,I do not support separation for Quebec or any other province.Point taken ,time to read the constitution.But if it is legal and one regional party can control Canada then the constitution should be revisited.
Anyone know where Ignatief and Rae are today.
Not in question period. Didn’t ask any questions, and pretty sure they were not even there.
Also, not present in media scrums post-questioin period.
Yesterday, they were standing up so nicely beside their leader. What are they up to?
I haven’t avoided it. I made such arguments on a previous thread, focussing primarily on peace and security, where I was ad hominem attacked.
The attacks were — literally 180 degrees wrong — but I don’t feel like addressing those. They aren’t relevant.
I can make arguments for and against separation. The problem you face is this: A majority of Westerners don’t want to separate.
Even if the West separates you people would still hate the government.
I will say as well Christoph – you are pretty funny.
But whether you are getting the last word in or ‘winning’ an argument on the internet – wait, what do they say about that again?
Amen, brother.
Should be. But it requires the constitution to do it, so there’s the rub!