125 Replies to “Quebec Handshake”

  1. The country of Canada doesn’t matter….what matters is that the Revolution stays alive!
    What is truly astounding is that these three freaks think that they have the right to overrule the 75% of the Canadian electorate who specificially voted AGAINST Dion as Prime Minister of Canada.
    And to the pinheads who talk about the validity of a coalition, the Liberals and the NDP combined have far fewer seats than the Conservatives. There is no coalition…..it only exists because of the Bloc who is not a party to the coalition itself. Any request to the GG by these jerks should be turned down flat. Go to the people. The left will get slaughtered.

  2. Everyone needs to calm down. This sucks, but the rules of the games allow for coalitions. Now, think about it this way… how long do you think this will hold? We are a long way from seeing the bottom in the stock market. The deficit is only going to get larger, any “stimulus” will have minimal effect. So in 6 months or so, Harper pulls a few MPs across the floor, and calls an election. By then the economy is really in the tank, Tories are flush with cash, and flood the airwaves with advertising. Presto, full majority with mandate for 4 years.
    This is not unconstitutional. Yes, it’s messy, but that’s the way it’s played.

  3. Dave in Pa, this sort of nonsense is why you’re founding fathers created a republic instead of a democracy.

  4. I’m ashamed to say I just watched the CBC evening news coverage of this whole debacle…
    What an absolute joke- why does the left so desperately need the $1.95/vote when they’re already getting publicly funded advertising and endorsments from our “national news network”?

  5. Mike:
    But no Canadian voted for them as a coalition!  Not a single Canadian was told that the three parties were effectively one.  If they had run as a coalition, I seriously doubt that they would have received anywhere near 64%.
    As three separate parties (one of which is geographically limited to the province of Quebec), they received more votes, though no single one even came close to the percentage of popular vote that the Tories received.
    Basically, we’ve been told to go screw ourselves once again by the Liberals, aided and abetted by the Dippers and the Bloquistes.  The words of Liberal Senator Keith Davey — “Screw the West, we’ll take the rest!” — echo oh-so-true out here…
    Garth

  7. TimR : only a conservative wouldn’t know that.
    get out of your cave.
    Posted by: quebecois separatiste at December 1, 2008 9:52 PM
    Too right. Because wearing a bit of coloured ribbon shows everyone “you care”, and if nothing else, liberalism is about feeling good about yourself. Because if you wanted to bring about acutal results, you’d have to start crowing about inconvenient truths like abstention, monogamous homosexual relations, etc. Much easier to strap on the ol’ symbolic ribbon and preen.
    mhb23re
    at gmail d0t calm

  8. Ah rogues, ah scoundrels of the first water- if they ever drank any.

    I do not mean Stephen Harper and his boys and girls.

  9. Two weeks before the end of the election campaign, Dion specifically said he would never enter into a coalition with the NDP. Any coalition in that sense is illegitimate. As is Dion.

  11. Mike, are you saying nobody “wins” elections that result in minorities? Or is that just when Conservatives win, or the “progressives” don’t?
    Get your head out of the sand. Trudeau governed most of his time in minority. Oh, I guess he didn’t “win” those elections either.
    As for your second point, have you even considered the possibililty this was planned all along, as ET has opined on this blog.
    BTW, there’s plenty of debate whether this is OK. Rules of parliament involve long standing historical rules, which include use of precedent. That’s why people look for other instances, like 1926 that are similar.
    But, this situation is dissimilar. Mackenzie King has just “lost” the last election, and tried to cling to power, then asked the Governor General, Lord Byng to dissolve parliament. He was refused, the Conservatives and Progressives formed a de facto coalition and became the majority, and therefore the government. Hence, the Progressive Conservative Party was born.
    Is that the situation now? If Harper didn’t win the last election, then surely the other parties didn’t win it by even more. Furthermore, the “coalition” itself has less seats than the present government, so in no way can command the confidence of parliament. In addition to the uniting through coalition, a minority support situation is mixed in.
    So be careful when you say everyone should know what nobody can possibly know, given there isn’t a credible precedent available for consideration.
    And on and on it goes.
    Anyway, I am curious – notwithstanding legalisms – do you agree that the “coalition” should take power in this case, that an election is unnecessary?

  12. “It is ignorant of you to assume that every single voter that endorsed one of the three leftard parties, also supports the coalition.
    The truth is that many in the NDP hate the Liberals, many of the Fiberals HATE the NDP, and many in both parties HATE the separatists.”
    But what you are forgetting is all of these groups hate Harper much more than they hate each other. This is why the coalition will succeed.
    Harper brought this on himself. In one immensely foolish stroke he united the left. The majority of the country is centre-left. He blew it.

  14. About that 37% crap – the highest percentage of votes Pierre Trudeau EVER had was 38% which gave him majority governments and the unfettered ability to literally decimate western canada and Alberta.
    Chretien’s highest percentage of votes from all three majority governments where he ramrodded through every Liberal loving pork bellied program was 43%.
    This is a completely shyster argument.
    Also, all of the MPs from all parties were elected by their voters on the program and mandate they ran on. This is bait and switch deceipt.
    The conservative throne speech passed last Thursday. It was what they ran on and it received parliament’s approval. That means what is in the throne speech is only mandate chosen by the people of Canada unless the cahooters want to go back to the electors with their new hidden agenda plan to get our approval.
    Until then…any other plan is illegitimate in my opinion and I refuse to pay taxes to Ottawa if this happens.

  15. “The conservative throne speech passed last Thursday. It was what they ran on and it received parliament’s approval. That means what is in the throne speech is only mandate chosen by the people of Canada unless the cahooters want to go back to the electors with their new hidden agenda plan to get our approval.”
    And this plan to remove the $1.95 subsidy was in the throne speech? In the CPC election platform?

  16. These clowns have no authority to spend my money.
    If they’d like to get that authority, call an election.
    Otherwise, piss off.

  17. mike – a government based on hatred is illegitimate to its very moral and ethical roots.
    A government based on backroom deals outside of the will of the electorate is illegitimate to its democratic roots.
    A government that requires for its maintenance, the veto/approval of a political party that is available to the voters of only one province and denied to the majority of the electorate, is illegitimate to its democratic roots.
    A government that rejects the will of the people and that refuses to go to the people for a mandate for its particular operation, is illegitimate to its democratic roots.

  18. And combining the Conservative, NDP, Bloc and Green (and “others”) votes means that more people voted against Stephane Dion becoming PM than against Stephen Harper becoming PM.

  19. Yeah, the “Harper brought this upon himself” argument only flies if you didn’t listen to the recording of Layton’s conference call, where he makes it clear that this has been in the works for a while. Any flimsy pretext, like the dastardly notion of asking parties to do their own fundraising, was going to be enough to trigger the junta into action. And a flimsy pretext was what they used.

  20. Time for the west to use Dion’s Clarity Act to separate from Canada and leave the Quebecers to their own just rewards.

  21. Let’s say for arguments sake that these clowns pull this coalition off, what happens when the next general election comes around? Do they go back to their respective parties, or do they go into a general election with this coalition? And if they governed with this coalition, how do they keep their respective parties intact to fight the next election? Would this coalition contraption set a precedent for the future take-over of any minority government?

  22. Does anyone know of any rallies in support of the Gov’t being planned in SK?
    Here is the e-mail I sent to Duceppe. The West no longer wants in we want out.
    Dear Mr. Duceppe.
    Your a sly one Mr. Duceppe. Just like the Grinch who stole Christmas. I think you will be pleased in the outcome of your coalition government as not only will it likely result in Quebec leaving federation but possibly Western Canada. It seems that stomping your feet, blackmail, or whatever you call it has worked well for Quebec. There is an old saying. If you can’t beat em join em. I have a feeling you may get a lot more support for separation from Western Canada, I trust you will also provide support back. Three countries are probably better than one

  23. Mike: “Harper obviously has no one but himself to blame for this. And he knows it and so do you…”
    No — Harper has much to answer for, but responsibility for the problem is multifold — with the Opposition parties parties pushing forward on a phoney issue (stimulus pkg. which would be coming soon enough). A key question at this point is what would be best for Canada — I think defusing the situation. I believe Harper has been chastised and would likely govern with much more humility should he get out of this.

  24. “TimR : only a conservative wouldn’t know that.
    get out of your cave.”
    Not all of us Canadians are constantly trying to F*ck each other over and as a consequence are not in tune with the delima facing most of the quebecois separatiste.
    bverwey

  25. Mike
    Tell your puppet masters to call an election, and stand behind their corrupt, unholy alliance with the separatists.
    Hope you enjoy double digit unemployment, and huge deficits, it’s guarantee under your commie troika

  27. shamrock – the situation as I read it is rather different; it is that it was King who formed the coalition. What happened is that he was in power, called an election and then actually lost the election.
    He received only 99 seats; the Conservatives got 116 seats; the progressives got 24. But King refused to resign – and until the PM resigns, he’s in power. He instead said that he would form a coalition with the Progressives. So, King with his 99, joined with the Progressives with their 24. But, after a few months, this wasn’t working and he wanted to call another election.
    The GG refused, and handed power over to the original winner of the election – the Conservatives with their 116 seats.
    The current NDP-Lib coalition certainly has fewer seats than the CPC; it has no right to form a government. It is instead, relying on the ‘goodwill’ of the Bloc, who will de facto be moved into the role of Caesar, Emperor, over Canada. All House decisions will go through only with the approval/veto of the Bloc. I wonder how much they are being paid for this role?
    No, this coalition is deeply undemocratic and unethical. Think about it. It’s setting up a precedent where EVERY YEAR, the opposition parties can move themselves into being The Government, simply by opposing the Annual Budget, then, forming a rapid coalition, and insisting that they, without an election, be The New Government.
    That’s called ‘Giving the Finger to the electorate and democracy’.

  28. Forget Curly, Larry or Moe…how about ‘Driving Ms. Duceppe’. Duceppe in the the back of the limo with the chauffeur (Layton) and the valet (Dion) in the front, both with their hands on the wheel, weaving all over the place. “Yes Ms. Duceppe. Where to now Ms. Duceppe”.

  29. This is just wrong. Any way you look at it … if it was reversed and the Liberals had won the minority gov’t, and the Conservatives tried to pull this crap… it’s wrong! and it’s anti-democratic! Because you can’t say they now have the support of the majority. The rest of those votes were very wide-spread. Particularly when the Bloc was involved.
    If they are allowed to form this type of coalition, a national referendum should be required before they can take power.
    A referendum of the Harper government vs the ‘Coalition’: I think even the most die-hard Liberal or NDP’er would have to do some major soul searching to justify voting for a group that legitimizes separatists.

  30. Stimulus hmmmmmm
    I think I got it. When you do a semen test on a bull you put a probe up their rectum and give them a mild shock then you collect the semen. Is that the kind of stimulus the three amigos are talking about?

  31. “Tell your puppet masters to call an election, and stand behind their corrupt, unholy alliance with the separatists.”
    “…unholy alliance with the separatists”?? I suppose you had a different name for it when it was Harper sending this letter to the GG:
    “As leaders of the opposition parties, we are well aware that, given the Liberal minority government, you could be asked by the Prime Minister to dissolve the 38th Parliament at any time should the House of Commons fail to support some part of the government’s program. We respectfully point out that the opposition parties, who together constitute a majority in the House, have been in close consultation. We believe that, should a request for dissolution arise this should give you cause, as constitutional practice has determined, to consult the opposition leaders and consider all of your options before exercising your constitutional authority. Your attention to this matter is appreciated.
    -From a letter to then-Governor General Adrienne Clarkson signed by all three opposition leaders: Gilles Duceppe, Jack Layton and Stephen Harper
    (September 9, 2004)

  32. Mike: “And this plan to remove the $1.95 subsidy was in the throne speech? In the CPC election platform? ” — I thought the issue was the stimulus pkg. — not the $1.95. Anyway, that has been taken off the table, so it is no longer an issue. The central problem lies in the quest for power — those that have it use it for their advantage. Those that don’t cut backroom deals to get it. Anybody remember Dion’s WE HAVE TO GET BACK INTO POWER during the leadership race? This is the game they are ALL playing.
    What is too bad is that I think when he is not playing dirty politics Harper runs a pretty good and pretty centrist government. That’s why he was able to increase his numbers this time.

  34. I must say I’m enjoying the crocodile tears from a group that would happily impose its social agenda on the 60% or so of Canada that did not vote for it – if that group could get a majority.
    As a few have pointed out, you can do this in the parliamentary system. Politics is a blood sport, sometimes you eat the bear sometimes the bear eats you.
    Tories will be using this as a club against the Liberals and NDP for at least half a generation, I wonder if it is worth it to turf Harper from 24 Sussex for less than year in all likelihood. We’ll see.

  35. If these guys truly believe this is “what Canadians want” then why not go back to the people in an election – run the three of them on the platform of their big plan and $30 billions of taxpayer money to failing industries and labour unions and let US decide.
    Until then anything else in illegitimate. Period.

  36. Only to make a comment on the picture.
    Someone, some time ago mentioned that the leader of the socialists looks like Lenin.
    It is increasingly becoming more obvious in the appearance and in the actions of this character. His behavior looks more of becoming a communist.

  37. Kate…
    You should know, I live in the GTA.
    They would not play this in the GTA(am640). They started it, but then cut it off, and it was commercials for 10 min..
    Soooooooo Pissed…..

  38. They have so many damn ribbon days that I no longer pay any attention to them. I thought that MADD just had a red ribbon campaign and the stupid white ribbon day is coming up soon. The only thing I ever wear on my lapel is a poppy.
    It is so appropriate that on the day the socialists take over Canada, the conspirators are all wearing red ribbons which have long been a symbol of the socialist movement.

  40. No, this coalition is deeply undemocratic and unethical. Think about it. It’s setting up a precedent where EVERY YEAR, the opposition parties can move themselves into being The Government, simply by opposing the Annual Budget, then, forming a rapid coalition, and insisting that they, without an election, be The New Government.
    That’s called ‘Giving the Finger to the electorate and democracy’.
    Posted by: ET at December 1, 2008 10:55 PM
    Exactly!

  41. The tactic on CBC and CTV is to load much of the whole problem on Stephen Harper.

    If it was 30% Harper and 70% the cunning scoundrels; one can be sure the media will call it 70% of blame on Harper and if one is lucky, 30% blame for the aforesaid scoundrels.

  43. Thank you for your eloquent words, ET: “No, this coalition is deeply undemocratic and unethical. Think about it. It’s setting up a precedent where EVERY YEAR, the opposition parties can move themselves into being The Government, simply by opposing the Annual Budget, then, forming a rapid coalition, and insisting that they, without an election, be The New Government.”
    This precisely what I was trying to explain to a fellow on my blog – though you said it better. If this is such a fine thing then why has it NEVER been attempted in the history of Canada; not once under circumstances remotely similar. And even the 1985 Ontario situation and the 1926 King-Byng Affair were wildly different.
    In 2008 we have a party that was JUST elected and hasn’t even passed one budget. Of course, the liberal MSM won’t allow these simple facts to be discussed but I’m hopefully that enough Sheeple will wake up!

  44. OH MY GOD…, Dijon has said that the “tree” of them will now run the country. Taliban Jack said that their stimulus package would be displayed in prompt fashion unlike the Conservatives. Not one of the “tree” stooges could answer what would be involved in this magical plan other than it is definately so much better than any plan that the conservatives have. That this coup has been incubated for some time is becoming increasingly apparent. That this action is a crime against the Canadian people is in no doubt. That these “tree” members of the bright red nose big floppy shoe crowd are attempting to pull this off is sickening. As a concerned citizen of this country I would ask Mr. Flarherty and Mr. Harper to stick to their guns and stay on course with everything that was in the economic statement, and would also ask the true Canadians in the Liberal and NDP caucases to put their love of country and fair play ahead of the grandious schemes of the “tree” coalition traitors. We need a national election called and let the people decide (again) who should govern this wonderous country because this fiasco will not succed and many ordinary citizens will be hurt very badly by this grab for power.

  45. There is one bright side to this mess: at the end of the coalition when Duceppe knows his free ride is coming to an end, he will set the terms for Quebec’s separation, unfortunately it will cost us dearly.

  46. Former hospital orderly and Maoist, Gilles Duceppe. No country has a finer set of losers in opposition than Canada. Right now I would have more faith in the Kokahnee Ranger than the Three Caballeros and their Mariachi Band.

  48. So the liberals claim they are getting into bed with the separatists because the Tories aren’t running a large enough deficit/stimulus package.
    Wasn’t it just a few weeks ago they were bent out of shape BECAUSE they thought Harper was going to run a deficit?

  49. Mike: Can you point to the part in the letter where it says that Harper is proposing to overthrow the government and create his own while sidestepping the electorate?
    Are you really that ignorant?

  50. Look how normal evil looks than remember. Think of the maneuvering fraudulent minds behind the suites. This is how a Country dies. Canadians of the “Hinterland” will be nothing but slaves sans Ontario with Quebec‘s Elite. We will no longer be citizens but chattel of the State. Newfoundland’s oil will be plundered as well. They just don’t know it yet. Its no contest what We in the West will have to do to Be Strong & Free. The Federation is dead. Harper is not the villain, this was planned a long time ago. The Dominion has be sundered. This is a Socialist take over. Expect no election or if they come, to be like in Mugabe land. Fixed or contestants intimidated. I don’t even rule out them jailing any opposition members. Our police seem to be suborned as well as our MSM to liberal Fascism. Its now quite clear just how treacherous Ottawa has become.
    From the blogs in the East I have never seen such tripe. They want a dictatorship. I see online here a lot of Liberal & NDP supporters out beating there drum.
    I just got as phone call offering me a chance at 500 dollars if I answered there survey. Its asked who I would like as a Leader from the Green Party to Dion. Harper was 5 on the list to push. The second I did the phone clicked off. There trolling for support at legitimacy. But only those dogmatically pure may apply.
    JMO
    JMO

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