A person close to Mr. Ignatieff said that any deal with the Bloc Québécois and NDP struck by Mr. Dion would be a “poison chalice” for the next leader. He said that Mr. Ignatieff has the support of more than 50 of the 77 Liberal MPs, so the success or failure of a coalition proposition will depend on how the leadership candidate views any deal.
Although Mr. Ignatieff has publicly maintained the official Liberal line that the government should fall over its handling of the economy, his supporters say any coalition deal with the left-wing NDP and separatist Bloc is fraught with risk. It would only take nine Liberals to be absent from the House next Monday for the government to survive and the source said he fully expects a number of no-shows
It’s alive!
“Dion is like Frankenstein’s monster – he’s on the slab and just had a jolt of life injected into him. He’s going full tilt ahead with this coalition but his caucus isn’t going with him,” the source said.
Heh.
More – Maybe not so imaginary…
“Dion is like Frankenstein’s monster – he’s on the slab and just had a jolt of life injected into him”
Its obvious, to anyone who reads The Black Rod, that Dion has cut a power deal with Gary Doer to give his King Lear like final scene a touch of studio lighting.
Hurry! Hurry Hard Stephane!
I wonder how Chretien’s deceased father feels about his son aiding a deal with the Bloc?
And we’re supposed to be surprised by any of this?
“I wonder how Chretien’s deceased father feels about his son aiding a deal with the Bloc?
Posted by: Hannibal Lectern at November 30, 2008 8:31 PM ”
He feels just ducky.The apple(or crap in this case) doesn’t fall far from the tree.
I wonder if the liberals are starting to have second thoughts of committing suicide.
I swear I’m spitting nails and hoping to hit dippers and liberals with every one.
Slimey weasels. I hope al qaeda gets them.
“He feels just ducky.The apple(or crap in this case) doesn’t fall far from the tree.”
The reason I mention it is that there’s a well known story that the Catholic priest that performed the funeral mass for Chretien’s father told Chretien “your Father is surely going to hell for being a Federalist”. In addition to being idiotically spiteful and contrary to Catholic doctrine, it stuck with Chretien his entire career. Even corrupt politicians running a Librano style operation have loyalty to their family.
For Chretien, aiding the Bloc is beyond the pale. Unless he really has sold his soul.
It’s like the horror pics from the ’50’s.
Dion aka “the creature from the black lagoon”
or..
the Liberals: “Night of the living dead”
For me,Chretien was the most crooked politician this country has ever seen,he could teach Putin a thing or two.I believe Chretien would do absolutely anything for a dollar,including the destruction of Canada.
no shows… I think that’s exactly what would happened.
Hannibal,
Chretien has no soul to sell. He’s pure sociopath. Always has been.
I bet he doesn’t care for his dead father any more than he cared for his party when he crippled it or his country who he stole from.
May he find a painful spot in hell where he and his father can watch each other burn for ever.
And we’re supposed to be surprised by any of this?
Posted by: MJ at November 30, 2008 8:34 PM
It seems that Harper was. He may be about to go down in history … right alongside Joe Clark.
We don’t have the numbers.
chuck
and the G&M still tries to cover up the biggest story of the day.
G&MM Headlines at 5:45pm Pacific
“Tories climb down in face of coalition
No mention of Jacko the Traitor negotiating to sell out Canada’s interest for some cheap political advantage by screwing with the Bloc.
Dion can join Tommy in the “not quite dead enough” political category.
chuck,
Joe clark lost (after his minority defeat) because he ran truth (a tax RAISE) against trudeau’s bald-face lies.
This time, Harper will be running against layton who has been caught plotting with the separatists and liberal traitors who went along with it.
And if the cost is a unilingual public service, i bet the libs even lose toronto.
You know, every time I see Duceppe, I get pissed.
The question I have is why are the Bloc not forced to run candidates across Canada? The Reform Party, Canadian Alliance and the Green Party are all forced to run candidates across Canada, but they get a pass???
I am going to be writing my MP and a few radio talk shows to see if we can get some of this part of the equation opened up.
After all, the Bloc has no place deciding ANYTHING for anyone outside of Quebec.
looks like a golden opportunity for Iggy to take the role of “the hero who saved canada”:-))))
“every time I see Duceppe, I get pissed.”
I prefer to call him Chairman Mao. Or, if we’re following Parliamentary decorum:
The Right Honorable Chairman Mao.
The Buck Ninety Five coalition is the best name yet.
“The Buck Ninety Five coalition is the best name yet”
Is there GST on the 1.95?
Prior to the last year and some, I though Dion was basically a nice, honourable man who just happened to be incorrect on the issues.
i’ve learned the truth. He’s an arrogant, honourless, lying, power-mad… liberal.
I always thought much the same about layton. Kind of a buffoon but meant well even if he’d be a disaster. Nope: he’s pure scum of the earth.
Death isn’t enough for those two. Infinite torment and pain isn’t even enough. At times like this I wish I was a religious man. I’d like to picture them in Dante’s sequel.
MM, would that be 7% GST?
I had this hours ago…
Not a “private communication either”
Buck Ninety Five coalition + 5% GST = Two loony coalition.
For how long now have we all been predicting a tectonic shift in Canadian politics? Welcome to the shift! With the waning influence of the Liberals the loons are let loose. Unfortunately for the Liberals the destruction is coming from within none other than Jean Chretien. I wonder how JC’s lick spittle WK is doing since he is now backing Iggy. Thanks to JC, Iggy may well be the second leader of the Liberal party never to become prime minister.
Allan – agreed. I wonder how many members are adding up their “days in office” to see how many more they need to qualify for that gold-plated pension. An election is as likely as a coalition (would YOU want to be known as the GG that stole democracy, or the one that sent the politicians back to their masters for a spanking?). Regardless, any coalition would likely only last a few scarce months (legitimately, that is – once in power, I don’t see Mr “I know what is best for you” Dion dropping the reins for anything). Harper, however, is a known quantity. Several more years of peaceful service, then comfortable “retirement”, supplemented by consulting/lobbying.
As much as I can’t stand today’s flavour of the Liberals, I am ashamed as a Canadian to see them stoop this low.
The Bloc might as well be Taliban – They are the virus of this country.
Its time has come…Free The West!
Lets get out of this charade…CONfederation!
What is going on here is eastern bigotry and their sence of entitlement.
Well, I live in London Ontario, but after Ottawa burns, I do like the sound of Canmore.
Keep in mind, most of Ontario west of Toronto went tory blue. If we cut Ontario in half, you think the western half could go with you guys? lol.
This article has a mistake:
18 Liberals would need to abstain (if the two independents vote with the Government).
if 18 abstaid:
NDP: 37
BQ: 49
LPC: 59=77-18
CPC: 143
IND: 2
145/(37+49+59)= 50%
Then the speaker votes with the Government.
jm
The speaker votes with his party: liberal.
YES IT
IS TIME TO FREE THE WEST!!!!!!!!
An
Stephane wants a do over.
My name is Jack Layton,and I’m running to be Prime Minister of Canada! Could this have meant the coup was already in place when election was on?
time for the conservatives to try and entice some libs to cross the floor.
I wonder if they have thought of the far-reaching consequences. Alberta and Sask will have to fork out the bucks for these jokers and we won’t have representation.
Don’t mess with us or they may end up with less money than they thought.
We are not the ‘milk cow’
Advice to some posters here. Stop bash the EAST! I’m from Ontario and I’m a Conservative. So are 51 MP’s in government in case you weren’t paying attention to the last election. The people of Eastern Canada are not the same as the leaders and MP’s from the opposition. We work hard too and we’re ashamed of what’s going on!
The fate of the federal government is going to lie in the hands of a liberal appointed civil servant who may put an unelected tri-party coalition comprised of a leaderless party, a socialist party, and a separatist party into power to run our country during the worst global economic crisis since the great depression and all the while fighting a war half way around the world.
And whose going to lead this farce? The professor who would be Prime Minister (Dion). How about another appointed liberal leader to become the (un)elected Prime Minister? How about cabinet ministers? This would be funny if some politicians and journalists weren’t so gungho about it.
Time is coming to offer Iggy the UN ambassadorship. He would make a great one. Too bad our Security Council membership wasnt a sure thing….
Phil, it’s not about bashing the East. It’s about Western perception that Central Canadian parties want to usurp power, bypassing the results of the election.
If this hairbrained coalition ever succeeded (though zero chance IMO), there is not doubt many westerners would want to wash their hands of Confederation.
It is what it is, Phil
I agree with Stan — “The Buck-Ninety-Five Coalition” is the best name, hands-down.
shamrock,
the libs and ndp run candidates across the country. The NDP and Liberals are the only parties in BC provincial politics. Alberta has lib and NDP candidates and even occasionally elects a liberal in Redmonton.
It isn’t “east” it’s Toronto-Ottawa-Montreal triangle of evil which is the problem.
Liberal-NDP coalition government with projected life of 2.5 years. NDP to receive 25 per cent of cabinet seats, however, NDP will not receive Finance or Deputy PM positions. Bloc will prop up government. per CBC.
http://www.nationalnewswatch.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=46831&Itemid=41
Say no more….say no more
Mr. Harper is an idiot for pushing things this far but everybody else except Duceppe is tarred with the same brush.
Taliban Jack is lying in the same bed as the separatists. Once again he sells out his country.
Dion, the supposed saviour of Canada because of the Clarity Act, is the lamb lying down with the lions (Duceppe and Layton) while wolves (Ignatiefand Rae). Funny that the Clarity Act was sponsored by Dion and Chretien, both of which are incomprehensible.
Duceppe is the only politician empowered by all of this. How sad!
“Liberal-NDP coalition government with projected life of 2.5 years. NDP to receive 25 per cent of cabinet seats, however, NDP will not receive Finance or Deputy PM positions. Bloc will prop up government.” per CBC.If the conservatives are defeated and the GG agrees to let the troika govern, theen I repeat –
Canada will be a de fact COMMUNIST led state.
God help us.
Justthinkin 8:35 Try “the turd doesn’t fall from the horse’s ass. It fits that whole crew quite well I think.
@ Rich
Funny how CBC puts out how the NDP and Liberals reached a deal as their front page story but nowhere can I find a story about the (not so)secret “coup d’etat” plans of the NDP/Bloc. CTV, National Post, Globe and Mail, even the Red Star have it. CBC wouldn’t be biased at all, no would they.
Earl- this isn’t a result of Harper’s pushing it; this is strictly a hidden agenda, and long in the planning, by Jack Layton.
I suspect that Harper knew about it, and realized it had to come out on his terms, rather than on Layton’s terms. Make no mistake; Layton probably planned to do this at budget time. He’s been planning this for some time, aligning the Bloc on his side (probably with promises of millions).
Layton had to do it before the Liberals chose a new leader. After all, if the chose Rae, then a coalition of Rae and Layton would be viewed as Rae returning to his NDP roots. Ignatieff, I still think would have told Layton to ‘get lost’. Possibly LeBlanc would do the same. Layton had to stage this coup before a new leader – and it had to be over a financial motion. I suspect that Harper knew this, and chose this financial motion rather than the budget.
But the party in big trouble in this scenario, is the Liberal Party. Are they that insane that they think that they could take power from a legitimate govt, without an election and over a small financial bill – not a budget?
And don’t the Liberals realize that such a coalition would be the end of their party as a viable party? It would be forever defined as socialist left, and as part of the NDP.
Plus, the money deals would come out; this always happens – the payoffs, the bribes, the promises of contracts, etc. Layton has already gotten the union and other support by his promises to them of millions in taxpayer money.
Think about it; a government focused on raising taxes, raising taxes more and more – and spending like crazy, moving us into a deficit. Spending on keeping the status quo rather than dealing with the rotting infrastructure. It would be disastrous. And who would be blamed? heh. The Liberals.
If any Liberals have any integrity and brains, they’ll abstain. I think that at the moment, they’ll be silent, they’ll let the insanity continue, showing itself as more and more about greed, lust for power and indifference to Canada and Canadians. Then, on the day of the vote – they’ll abstain, or, even have the courage to vote with the govt.
Note that Layton doesn’t talk about the economic welfare of Canadians, but only those in the unionized corps – the public service, the union auto, etc. How can increased taxes on the regular citizen – to support this segment – help Canada?
And to allow the Bloc to function as the lynch pin for any govt is unethical. Remember, the Bloc has only one interest. Money. It’s not really interested in separation because the money disappears if such happens. It’s not interested in Canada or Canadians. Just money from the Canadian taxpayer. That’s all. And that’s what Layton has probably promised them. Money.
Again, such a move would implode the Liberal Party. It would no longer have any reason to exist.
Let’s cut Old Canada lose and form a country out of Western Canada and BC. I’m weary of Quebec and Toronto.
There are not enough Liberals willing to defeat Harper and as a result been seen enabling this proposed monstrosity. Jack has miscalculated if he thinks M. Green Shaft enjoys the unwavering support of the Liberal caucus.
At the end of this, Taliban Jack’s hidden agenda is exposed, and public funding of the Libranos and Gilles DoSep(please) is done.
Now that looks attractive.
Stay the course, PMSH. These fools are in self-destruct mode.
Problem with the above numbers is that Iggy may know the number of Liberals who will absent themselves on Monday but you can bet your boots that he doesn’t know how many Conservatives might catch the ’24’ hour bug on Sunday night. Do the Liberals realy want to throw the dice against the House when they don’t know the odds?
At one time I would have been willing to allow that Dion, while he was a lousy leader, might actually be a nice guy, with principles. Alas I have grossly overestimated him. He might do well to consider emigrating to France…after this he’s not going to be welcome in too many places in Canada, except maybe Jack Layton’s boudoir.