109 Replies to “STAY STEPHANE STAY!”

  1. I was disappointed that Hedy Fry didn’t get the boot…I guess we have the latte-sipping queers in Vancouver’s West End to thank for that. But maybe there’s a silver lining: Maybe, just maybe, they might choose her to be their new leader!

  3. Stephane won’t quit while he still owes so much money for his 2006 leadership triumph. Stephen will not quit while he and the Liberal party are on the hook for his brain-in-ass foot-in-mouth libels that have landed the Liberals leading loser in court. Nope, Stephane has too much dignity and integrity and all of the other superlative qualities the MSM ascribes to him whilst lap-bobbing before, during and after Stephane interviews. Don’t go Stephan: we need you!

  4. We can feel empathy for Mr Dion v.v. his personal leadership debt. Adversarial politics aside, it is never a good thing when someone has to face personal financial insecurity because of something like this.
    It doesn’t matter if he is a decent person, or if we like him personally, he is now in financial jeopardy and we should hope he is helped in this regard.

  5. I love the banner and will be adding that to my site.
    Off topic but bizarre enough to merit mention….PMSH is holding a live news conference and Robert Fife just asked him if he will be stepping down as leader of the CPC and presumably PM.
    Bob’s logic is that PMSH’s failure to obtain a majority warrants stepping down….Unflickin believable!
    Syncro

  6. I’m afraid Stephanie is going to have to go.
    As the NDP ate part of the Liberal’s lunch, the only way to counter a trend is to select Bob Rae as new leader of the LPC.
    8^D

  8. Maybe Stephane can get his hands on some of the dough the Liberal party stole from taxpayers to retire his leadership run debts!

  9. Imagine the hilarity that will ensue when Dion doesn’t understand the results of his leadership review when announced at the next Lib convention.

  10. Congratulations to the Right Honourable Mr. Stephen Harper and the CPC on the election results.

  11. Dion is more or less a small dead animal himself now.
    Not sure why people are stuck on “latte” as the liberal drink, have you been in a Starbucks in the past five years? It takes the average dipper ten minutes to reel off the specifics of their drink of choice. Latte is pretty much a starter beverage in that crowd.

  12. Steffi might not quit, but what about his disciples? How many Liberal hacks are looking forward to languishing on the back benches for 2-4 years? And that after another divisive leadership campaign to further undermine their party’s fragile finances, and with no capable candidates on the horizon? To a typical Liberal Quisling, the choice should be obvious: collaborate; cross the floor!

  14. Charles MacDonald, I think you’re right that a few will be tempted to cross the floor, who would want to stick with a party that is broke and looking forward to losing a lawsuit that will be the final nail in the coffin?

  15. As I understand it, the leadership debts must be retired with funds raised under the donation limits. They cannot merely default on the loans since that would be deemed an over limit donation to them by the lender. The LPC also had to borrow almost the entire amount to finance this election. The leadership contenders and the Liberal Party are in deep financial trouble. They will not be able to mount an election or leadership campaign for a long time. I predict that Harper will be able to govern as though he has a majority for at least another 3 years.

  16. Shamrock at 12:45 PM
    the human’s greatest intellectual failure to to understand themselves as others do, no sympathy or empathy for fools that charge ahead without engaging in some personal soul searching
    he should have bought a mirror with some of that debt, and reflected:-)))))

  17. Steffi might not quit, but what about his disciples?
    Dion’s leg-humping lapdog Cherniak claims he’s quitting blogging.

  18. Sorry Shamrock…I guess you are a better person than me,I can’t for the life of me feel one iota for Mr. Dion in reference to any financial insecurities he might have,seeing as how he was going to pass those insecurities on to me.

  19. Shamrock,
    You are quite correct.
    Nobody should have to face that uncertainty…..but ulm, rules are in place for a reason. So if all campaign debt is considered a mulligan after some time frame then there are no rules.
    The rule should be, no debt period! No loans, no loans in kind. Raise your money and only spend what you raise.
    Why someone like Dion spent what he spent is beyond me. He either didnt care, didnt watch or counted on a Liberal government winning and changing the rules to accomodate.
    All of them face large debts. One wonders what the Liberal bank debt now that this election is over…and their number of votes dropped.
    So all parties except the Greens had lower raw vote totals than 2006.
    The annual $ losses by party are
    Cons $296,000
    Libs $1,487,000
    NDP $127,000
    BQ $307,000
    These are amounts that the parties will either have to make up in personal donations OR cut staff and expenses. The Liberal one is a huge nut to swallow, given that they are trying to service debt, repair themselves etc. Thats like cutting 14 to 20 headcount in a private business.
    I guess Bankruptcy is always an option. That would be the only way for the Liberal party to renege on their obligations without triggering the loans as donations I suspect.
    The Liberals arent defeating any government anytime soon. And if I were elections Canada I would be watching auditing their books regularly, or getting an auditor to live in their CFO’s office, jsut to make sure the right things are being paid and done.
    This is a serious issue. Elections canada should be DEMANDING a plan from these guys, because the Liberal party is headed for BANKRUPTCY, you want to ensure you have all the records locked down. There are serious concerns about the Liberals as an organizational going concern.

  20. The possibility of a few floor crossers to the Tory side is always possible. Particularly if Rae’s musings of uniting the left gains any momentum. The Iggy crowd, being closer to the centre, won’t abide by some of the wild leftist meanderings.
    Remember there were more than a few hurt feelings during the unification of the Alliance and Conservatives.

  21. There is a poll up over at Borques newswatch dealing with steffi’s future. Maybe he can convinced to stay if enough of us support him.

  22. Say It Ain’t So, Joe
    (1975 song) modified to “Stay, Stephane Stay” AKA the demise of the Liberal empire
    Stay, Stephane Stay, please, Stay, Stephane Stay
    That’s not what I wanna hear Steph
    Ain’t I got a right to know
    Stay, Stephane Stay, please, Stay, Stephane Stay
    I’ m sure they’re telling us lies Steph
    Please tell us it ain’t so
    They told us that our hero has played his joker
    He doesn’t know how to go on
    We’re clinging to his charm and determined smile
    But the good ol’ days have gone
    The image and the empire may be falling apart
    The money has gotten scarce
    One man’s word held the country together
    But the truth is getting fierce
    Stay, Stephane Stay, oh please, Stay, Stephane Stay
    We pinned our hopes on you Steph
    And they’re ruining our show
    Ooh babies, don’t you think we’re gonna get burned
    Ooh babies, don’t you think we’re gonna get burned
    we’re gonna get turned, we’re gonna get learned
    Yes, we’re gonna get turned, we’re gonna get burned
    we’re gonna get learned,
    Yes,we’re gonna get burned
    we’re gonna get burned, we’re gonna get learned
    yes, we’re gonna get turned, we’re gonna get burned

  23. AS FOR MR. HARPER— GET OUT YOU LOSER, OUT, OUT, OUT
    STEP ASIDE FOR SOMEONE WHO CAN BRING A MAJORITY, NOT YOUR TWO TERMS OF A LAME MINORITY.
    THE REDS WILL WIN NEXT TIME WITH YOU AT THE HELM!!
    And for those of you who want Bob Rae as leader of the Reds?. Be careful of what you wish for.
    sL

  26. Slevine….SORE LOOSER, SUCK IT UP….MAJORITY next time!
    Citoyen Dion….BUSH BUSH BUSH BUSH BUSH LIAR LIAR LIAR LIAR LIAR DA PLAN DA PLAN DA PLAN DA PLAN…. where did this height of intelligence get you? Thats what happens when you listen to jerks like Scott Reid!

  27. The Liberals seem to forget the Steffi wasn’t the cause of Liberal infighting resulting from an sense of entitlement to immediate power,
    he was the result of it.
    The next Liberal leadership convention will not be pretty, and its next leader may be yet another by-product of this continued corrosive Liberal mindset.

  29. Er, Slevine, are you smokin’ something?
    Harper’s increased his seat count at every election he’s fought, all the while further weakening his opponents.  I’m beginning to think he’s got his eye on the Long Game — decades long.  His goal seems to be to make the Conservatives the Natural Governing Party of Canada, and he’s much closer than he was six weeks ago.  He’s turned the Liberals into a spent force that’ll act like his lapdog for the next couple of years, and both the NDP and Bloc are lacking the seat count necessary to stop him.  Meanwhile, an entire generation of voters will be used to the idea of a Conservative government and won’t be brainwashed by the Central Canadian axis to believe that Conservatives are somehow inherently “evil”.
    Harper’s pulled off something that I thought was almost impossible in the Canadian experience — a minority government which can, for all practical intents and purposes, act like a majority government.
    This guy’s Yoda, methinks.
    Garth

  31. thx to all the great people that made this so interesting and rewarding during the last few weeks ..Kate your GREAT . ps. if you had in small letters under the sign stay “stephanestay” it could read ,”I think you should do again”..or to that effect

  32. Re: Diondebt. No it can’t be forgiven, but I hope the LPC raises some money for this.
    Haven’t they done enough to him? When they had a chance to take the party down to its foundation and rebuild properly, they tried to do a home reno with Dion as the caretaker. Everybody knew he would lose.
    Yes, those debts were incurred at his discretion, and he might have to pay the piper on this one; and the consequences could be quite onerous, expensive and embarassing.
    Again, I hope the LPC has a gram of class left and will help him go quietly. Then he, and we, can move on to other things.

  33. Frank4PM, McKenna’s ties to the Carlisle Group and through that to the Bush family, as well as his anti-abortion stance will clearly be problematic for him.
    Iggy will be outflanked by the tag team of Rae and Dosajhn, with the latter delivering his delegates to the Rae camp.

  34. There is something else that the Liberals have to look forward to….the RCMP investigation is ongoing on ADSCAM and it has been reported to expect more charges to be laid. There is still $40 Million missing!
    Also it is reported that the Cadman tapes have been altered by experts, if that is the case it could attract criminals charges. I am sure the Liberal Party would not have anything to do with this in their attempt to smear Harper.

  35. Bruce:
    McKenna has nothing to do with the Carlisle Group.
    He also is on record for trying to prevent a private doctor setting up a private clinic in his province. The doctor happened to be practicing abortions, but that doesn’t change why they took him to court.

  36. “Harper’s pulled off something that I thought was almost impossible in the Canadian experience — a minority government which can, for all practical intents and purposes, act like a majority government.”
    Yes, Garth, and this way their far right flank can’t use majority to try to ram through social conservative divisive wedge issues like abortion (no matter where you stand). The CBC will only be dealt with incrementally, so we can forestall PQ separation, and artist angst everywhere, for a little while.
    Perhaps we can have an actual debate about healthcare, the next financial crisis waiting to happen. A bipartisan approach on this issue is best anyway.
    So, yes, and being what it is anyway, this is a good thing.

  38. It does not matter if Dion stays or goes; they are in a terminal death spiral.
    If they pick the former NDP Premier tag team from Ontario and BC, the Iggy supporters will cross the floor. Nobody wants to run with Rae in Ontario. The member for Vancouver South almost lost his seat anyways. Also, why vote for NDP lite when you can have the real thing?
    If they pick Iggy, the soft Dippers will go nuts and become solid dippers.
    If they get the idea to nominate PET’s son, well the west will go nuts once again and the Bloc will be able to claim a thousand year dominion over Quebec.
    I hope for Rae because then the defections will occur and Ontario will be permamently Tory blue.

  39. Bruce: “Frank4PM, McKenna sat on the board of the Carlisle Group with Bush Sr.”
    False.
    “His membership on the Canadian advisory board of the Carlyle Group drew adverse media attention; the media ceased pursuing the issue when McKenna explained that the board was established to advise on a Canadian investment fund that the group never created and that the board had never become active.”
    So the Carlyle Group wanted to make an investment in Canada, they asked him (and others) for his advice, they did not proceed.

  41. I think McKenna’s a decent man, but I’m wondering whether he still thinks that the leadership of the Liberals is political kryptonite.
    Sure would be more interesting if he ran for the leadership bid, though.
    Garth

  42. Bruce: Agreed, but it happens to be a truth. McKenna has nothing to do with the Carlyle Group and has, as far as we are aware, never received a dime from them. More here.

  43. “Dion finished race strong as a Human Being”
    Bob Rae ctv.ca
    *Insert chiv here & here! wait for potential rivals to comment, before inserting here.

  44. Here,
    let’s give the pitch a try:
    Wanted: someone of exceptional talent, and who currently occupies and extraordinary position of power, and wealth creation, and who is also willing to give all that up for position leading a bankrupt party, with a falling donor base, mired in political infighting, and destined for political oblivion for the forseeable future.
    I can’t see why that wouldn’t fetch some top notch talent.

  45. Don’t forget Gerard Kennedy. He’s got big ambitions. He and his backers gave Dion the nod and the leadership.
    I think he was aware that Dion could never be elected, and at the next leadership Dion would have to back him.
    But hubris is his enemy. He still hasn’t relized that Dion will be abandoned and Kennedy’s support from Dion will be that of a single delegate.

  46. How many of the prior potential liberal contenders are willing to fork out or try & get the kind of money required again, Only to have their dream dashed by say a Newcomer?
    And for that matter have they even paid back their prior debts so can they even afford give another try?

  47. biff:
    Yeah, that oughta do ‘er.  😉
    Frank4PM:
    Bruce has a point — regardless of whether or not McKenna was ever actually involved, the merest possibility that he was involved will be used against him in a leadership bid.  After all, this is the same Liberal party that started a whisper campaign against Bob Rae during the last leadership convention on the basis that his wife was a “Joooooooooooo”…  and Obama’s been able to tar McCain with past associations which he long ago denounced, even while O!’s unsavoury past associations have gotten a pass from the Dems and the MSM.
    Politics ain’t rational.  Frank McKenna probably knows that better than any of us.
    Garth

  49. Garth:
    Iggy won 45% of the Liberal vote in 2006, was a Canadian resident for less than 2 years before he ran, like Harper never had a true executive job and was a lifelong pundit/politician and supported the Iraq War.
    Bob Rae nearly bankrupted Ontario (and therefore the country) when he was “leader”, is far to the left of the party and the country, became a member of the Liberal Party AFTER he started campaigning to become its leader.
    Somehow, I don’t think the fact that McKenna – who personally knows pretty much everyone in politics in North America – has some tenuous and brief contact with a group that also has some links to the Bush’s will do him too much harm.

  50. Like I said, politics ain’t rational.  You may be right, but I wouldn’t be all that surprised if Frank simply takes a pass.
    Garth

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