(Vancouver bus shelter, photo courtesy reader “Loki”)
78 Replies to “So Where The Hell Is My Bus?”
Who Loves Baby-Seal Kabobs?
By Mark Morford, SFGate Columnist
(San Francisco)
Friday, April 7, 2006 http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/g/a/2006/04/07/notes040706.DTL&hw=seal+morford&sn=002&sc=1000
Best article I’ve ever read about the “morality” of the seal hunt and the hypocrisy of the objectors.
Excerpt:
“More specifically, is some sort of moral or humane line being crossed with the seals that isn’t really crossed with, say, the slaughter of ducks? Is it the primitive, barbaric technique of the seal killings that get to us? Or the stunning baby-seal cuteness? Is it the fact that most harp seals are helpless babies and that we’re chemically hardwired to want to protect innocent defenseless infants? Is this the overarching message? Take the cows, but don’t slaughter swooning cuteness?”
one should always get angry about the bus being late.
Imagine the mental strain that we could cause leftists by claiming that we harvest the CO2-producing seals for stem cell research.
Seen today in the Medical Post: Greek researchers studying baby seal heart valves and they are getting a few hundred supplied from the seal hunt. Apparently the seal valves last longer than the pig valves currently used as replacement valves in people. Yet another use for seals. If this proves viable in further testing then IFAW should be overjoyed as we’ll now be saving all those cute little pigs.
No reason to ban the seal hunt, just cut off the subsidies.
The problem with the seal hunt is the amount of taxpayer subsidies made available for what is a money losing “tradition”. In typical Canadian fashion the eastern provinces like Newfoundland get hundreds of millions of dollars from other Canadians to support uneconomic fishing and hunting enterprises. After “the season” is over they all go to the local EI office to start the cheques rolling. And EI is only one of many subsidies. When any government tries to change things by encouraging the younger population to get an education and perhaps go to where a real job is available, the cry babies start claiming their rights are being denied.
I see the oh so typical arrogant western BS has been heard from.
Oh, and just for the record there Bobby boy, I live out east and pull down about 70k a year and have never collected EI/UI in 28 years in the workforce.
Take your uninformed bullcrap elsewhere please.
Seals instead of cubs are babies . Humans who are babies will be called Fetuses. Pretty much tells you all you need to know about this bunch.
They are haters of humanity, no question.
AtlanticJim
well said
go to alberta and “see” all the coasters that are there working hard,
Well, atlantic Jim
Back in the 70’s when the rest of Canada was trying to get the West to share some of its oil revenue I remember my grandfather saying how all the farmers in Ontario sent food out West during the Depression when the Prairies was a dust bowl.
No reciprocation from these guys.
zoilick,
my dad and his family in Landis Saskatchewan were one of the recipients of the apples and fish from the Maritimes. One of the reason my grandfather moved the family to the east coast.
Zoilck — The rest of Canada was not “trying to get the West to share some if its oil revenue”; it was trying to rob Alberta of its oil revenues — there’s a difference. Furthermore, the rest of Canada was not starving at the time — it was just greedy. What the federal Liberals did gutted the Alberta energy boom. Alberta habitually pays more than its fair share of taxes into the federal treasury. And I am grateful that it does.
Interesting article in Saturday’s National Post about how harbour seals in Vancouver have set up a gauntlet in the Puntledge River, and literally hoover up all the hatchlings released from a fishery just up the river. Just as the moratorium on seal hunts eerily coincided with a drop in east coast fish stocks, the increase in harbour seals has coincided with the drop in salmon stocks on the West coast.
Richard, how’s about you come back when you have a clue about what it is being talked about.
We are refering to the Dirty 30’s, the dustbowl, you know, The Depression? It was in all the papers.
Oh….yeah the East coasties have no history at all of being tonsil deep on the EI teet…excuse me while laugh out loud…….okay….no…..wait…..okay I’m back. There is of course a few folks who have made a living without the suckling of EI….but they are in the minority.
I knew exactly what was being talked about; perhaps you misunderstood my post; if so, I apologize for the lack of clarity.
Where’s the %@#!$%^&*&^%$ bus!!!!
Bob Herron
The reason there is a seal hunt is because of the income provided to off season fishermen. This has gone on for hundreds of years. There have never been ‘subsidies’ as far as I know.
Why would there be subsidies?
If there is, it’s because of the explosion in the seal population and a cull is required to protect the fish stocks.
Albertabuck,
You are uninformed – grossly.
I was going to be more blunt, but the is Kate’s site.
Can anybody post some good baby seal recipies?
And what wine would you serve?
Ah, yes…well I suppose a “Thank You LEDA” is appropriate here, eh?
But, the facts are that the mind set of years(generations) of EI dependance has left a coast of limited expectations. The aggressive advertising of jobs, careers, opportunity for a new life brought many out to the west for their first taste of financial stability. I work with countless good folks from the E-coast, their stories regarding life back there always ring the same bell. A sad cycle of working enough weeks and then going on the dole. Each person only worked enough to get the required weeks in, then went home. Nothing gives back a persons’ self worth, more than a good day’s work, and a propect for an honest living. Few times have I ever heard E-coasties talk about leaving here after getting their weeks in, although it has happend.
No disrespect to you, but it is what it is.
albertabuck
Absolutely true about the UI (before I left it was UIC) scam, an the sad thing it was pushed by the feds – “we are going to create jobs” end up on a LIP grant – been there done that. If you don’t know what a LIP grant is – who cares. You heard the story from someone who left. Poor, bored and unemployed.
I left, went to Alberta, BC and now MB.
But don’t piss on the people who stayed an made a life like a lot of friends who are productive and doing very well- as well as anyone in Alberta, actually better when you take into account the cost of living.
The problem initially when getting out of school with the East Coast is not what you know and can do, it’s who you know. If you know the right people things happen faster and things are pretty good and if you don’t but stick it out then you are most likely doing OK too – takes longer. Patience pays.
I got a job in Alberta before they knew who I was. That would not happen down east.
Someone’s gotta run the place, they are not all on UIC. There are folks just as productive and creative on the East Coast as anywhere. To suggests otherwise is ignorant – you know that albertabuck.
ADOLPH HITLER WAS A VEGETARIAN
WOW! All that from an anti seal poster in a city far far away from most who posted. How in hell do you get to Darfur from there? Is there a Bus? Not to mention the abortion issue.
Apples and Buicks.
You have your causes, most of which that I have seen since coming to this fine blog is to oppose anything viewed as “leftard”. Sound reasoning is secondary, just cause someone with a half a brain and a much bigger mouth said so, will do.
They are just expressing their Freedom of Speech. So why get your knickers all in a knot? You can spend your nickel to put up a poster expressing an opposing view on the other side of the bus shelter if you want to.
So there are three basic issues that are relevant if one cares to even bother with the issue at all. One is free speech and the second is how much fish an adult seal consumes in a day.
Put this into context with polluted oceans and hugely reduced fish stocks, and the simple answer starts to become clear. Harvesting seals is necessary. The third is it also provides jobs in an area that really needs them.
Well, until the good ship Oil Barge comes in anyway. What’s that you say Sheik Danny? You are running a school to teach them Westerners how to negotiate with Oil companies? Kudos Danny!
The Sun always rises in the East..
From Hugger in the Land of The Rising Sun.
I agree. Be angry about that damned bus being late. We’re up to our arses in harp seals. Get off your duff and start clubbing, Canada.
Genius! Maybe every service can use that logic! You’re house fell over? Your new car is a lemon? Your mail didn’t come? Hey millions of baby seals are dying. What’s your problem?
I recall that pro-life groups had a transit advertising campaign 6 months ago that got numerous complaints for being supposedly ‘factually inaccurate’. This resulted in a number of the ads being pulled. Seeing as how baby seals haven’t been harvested for over 20 years in Canada, will the transit advertising authorities now pull these ads? Or is consistency only important when it’s ideologically convenient?
Stop thinking about whatever it is you’re thinking about and start thinking about what I want you to think about. For I am the thought authoritah! Here, have yourself a poster.
There are some sea birds that when confronted by a pertaor will spit up a foul smelling oil on them including bird handlers and enviromentalists wackos
Who Loves Baby-Seal Kabobs?
By Mark Morford, SFGate Columnist
(San Francisco)
Friday, April 7, 2006
http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/g/a/2006/04/07/notes040706.DTL&hw=seal+morford&sn=002&sc=1000
Best article I’ve ever read about the “morality” of the seal hunt and the hypocrisy of the objectors.
Excerpt:
“More specifically, is some sort of moral or humane line being crossed with the seals that isn’t really crossed with, say, the slaughter of ducks? Is it the primitive, barbaric technique of the seal killings that get to us? Or the stunning baby-seal cuteness? Is it the fact that most harp seals are helpless babies and that we’re chemically hardwired to want to protect innocent defenseless infants? Is this the overarching message? Take the cows, but don’t slaughter swooning cuteness?”
one should always get angry about the bus being late.
Imagine the mental strain that we could cause leftists by claiming that we harvest the CO2-producing seals for stem cell research.
Seen today in the Medical Post: Greek researchers studying baby seal heart valves and they are getting a few hundred supplied from the seal hunt. Apparently the seal valves last longer than the pig valves currently used as replacement valves in people. Yet another use for seals. If this proves viable in further testing then IFAW should be overjoyed as we’ll now be saving all those cute little pigs.
No reason to ban the seal hunt, just cut off the subsidies.
The problem with the seal hunt is the amount of taxpayer subsidies made available for what is a money losing “tradition”. In typical Canadian fashion the eastern provinces like Newfoundland get hundreds of millions of dollars from other Canadians to support uneconomic fishing and hunting enterprises. After “the season” is over they all go to the local EI office to start the cheques rolling. And EI is only one of many subsidies. When any government tries to change things by encouraging the younger population to get an education and perhaps go to where a real job is available, the cry babies start claiming their rights are being denied.
I see the oh so typical arrogant western BS has been heard from.
Oh, and just for the record there Bobby boy, I live out east and pull down about 70k a year and have never collected EI/UI in 28 years in the workforce.
Take your uninformed bullcrap elsewhere please.
Seals instead of cubs are babies . Humans who are babies will be called Fetuses. Pretty much tells you all you need to know about this bunch.
They are haters of humanity, no question.
AtlanticJim
well said
go to alberta and “see” all the coasters that are there working hard,
Well, atlantic Jim
Back in the 70’s when the rest of Canada was trying to get the West to share some of its oil revenue I remember my grandfather saying how all the farmers in Ontario sent food out West during the Depression when the Prairies was a dust bowl.
No reciprocation from these guys.
zoilick,
my dad and his family in Landis Saskatchewan were one of the recipients of the apples and fish from the Maritimes. One of the reason my grandfather moved the family to the east coast.
Zoilck — The rest of Canada was not “trying to get the West to share some if its oil revenue”; it was trying to rob Alberta of its oil revenues — there’s a difference. Furthermore, the rest of Canada was not starving at the time — it was just greedy. What the federal Liberals did gutted the Alberta energy boom. Alberta habitually pays more than its fair share of taxes into the federal treasury. And I am grateful that it does.
Interesting article in Saturday’s National Post about how harbour seals in Vancouver have set up a gauntlet in the Puntledge River, and literally hoover up all the hatchlings released from a fishery just up the river. Just as the moratorium on seal hunts eerily coincided with a drop in east coast fish stocks, the increase in harbour seals has coincided with the drop in salmon stocks on the West coast.
Richard, how’s about you come back when you have a clue about what it is being talked about.
We are refering to the Dirty 30’s, the dustbowl, you know, The Depression? It was in all the papers.
Oh….yeah the East coasties have no history at all of being tonsil deep on the EI teet…excuse me while laugh out loud…….okay….no…..wait…..okay I’m back. There is of course a few folks who have made a living without the suckling of EI….but they are in the minority.
I knew exactly what was being talked about; perhaps you misunderstood my post; if so, I apologize for the lack of clarity.
Where’s the %@#!$%^&*&^%$ bus!!!!
Bob Herron
The reason there is a seal hunt is because of the income provided to off season fishermen. This has gone on for hundreds of years. There have never been ‘subsidies’ as far as I know.
Why would there be subsidies?
If there is, it’s because of the explosion in the seal population and a cull is required to protect the fish stocks.
Albertabuck,
You are uninformed – grossly.
I was going to be more blunt, but the is Kate’s site.
Can anybody post some good baby seal recipies?
And what wine would you serve?
Ah, yes…well I suppose a “Thank You LEDA” is appropriate here, eh?
But, the facts are that the mind set of years(generations) of EI dependance has left a coast of limited expectations. The aggressive advertising of jobs, careers, opportunity for a new life brought many out to the west for their first taste of financial stability. I work with countless good folks from the E-coast, their stories regarding life back there always ring the same bell. A sad cycle of working enough weeks and then going on the dole. Each person only worked enough to get the required weeks in, then went home. Nothing gives back a persons’ self worth, more than a good day’s work, and a propect for an honest living. Few times have I ever heard E-coasties talk about leaving here after getting their weeks in, although it has happend.
No disrespect to you, but it is what it is.
albertabuck
Absolutely true about the UI (before I left it was UIC) scam, an the sad thing it was pushed by the feds – “we are going to create jobs” end up on a LIP grant – been there done that. If you don’t know what a LIP grant is – who cares. You heard the story from someone who left. Poor, bored and unemployed.
I left, went to Alberta, BC and now MB.
But don’t piss on the people who stayed an made a life like a lot of friends who are productive and doing very well- as well as anyone in Alberta, actually better when you take into account the cost of living.
The problem initially when getting out of school with the East Coast is not what you know and can do, it’s who you know. If you know the right people things happen faster and things are pretty good and if you don’t but stick it out then you are most likely doing OK too – takes longer. Patience pays.
I got a job in Alberta before they knew who I was. That would not happen down east.
Someone’s gotta run the place, they are not all on UIC. There are folks just as productive and creative on the East Coast as anywhere. To suggests otherwise is ignorant – you know that albertabuck.
ADOLPH HITLER WAS A VEGETARIAN
WOW! All that from an anti seal poster in a city far far away from most who posted. How in hell do you get to Darfur from there? Is there a Bus? Not to mention the abortion issue.
Apples and Buicks.
You have your causes, most of which that I have seen since coming to this fine blog is to oppose anything viewed as “leftard”. Sound reasoning is secondary, just cause someone with a half a brain and a much bigger mouth said so, will do.
They are just expressing their Freedom of Speech. So why get your knickers all in a knot? You can spend your nickel to put up a poster expressing an opposing view on the other side of the bus shelter if you want to.
So there are three basic issues that are relevant if one cares to even bother with the issue at all. One is free speech and the second is how much fish an adult seal consumes in a day.
Put this into context with polluted oceans and hugely reduced fish stocks, and the simple answer starts to become clear. Harvesting seals is necessary. The third is it also provides jobs in an area that really needs them.
Well, until the good ship Oil Barge comes in anyway. What’s that you say Sheik Danny? You are running a school to teach them Westerners how to negotiate with Oil companies? Kudos Danny!
The Sun always rises in the East..
From Hugger in the Land of The Rising Sun.
I agree. Be angry about that damned bus being late. We’re up to our arses in harp seals. Get off your duff and start clubbing, Canada.
Genius! Maybe every service can use that logic! You’re house fell over? Your new car is a lemon? Your mail didn’t come? Hey millions of baby seals are dying. What’s your problem?
I recall that pro-life groups had a transit advertising campaign 6 months ago that got numerous complaints for being supposedly ‘factually inaccurate’. This resulted in a number of the ads being pulled. Seeing as how baby seals haven’t been harvested for over 20 years in Canada, will the transit advertising authorities now pull these ads? Or is consistency only important when it’s ideologically convenient?
Stop thinking about whatever it is you’re thinking about and start thinking about what I want you to think about. For I am the thought authoritah! Here, have yourself a poster.
There are some sea birds that when confronted by a pertaor will spit up a foul smelling oil on them including bird handlers and enviromentalists wackos