At Macleans – coverage of Warman v. Lemire.
2:15:23 PM
Under questioning, Steacy remains adamant that he *had* to join the various sites, including freedominion.ca, in order to use the search engine and access the full site. He also claims that there were “security concerns” about the safety of CHRC staffers working on “hate files,” which is why he logged in to see what had been posted about JadeWarr’s identity.
2:18:27 PM
So why *was* he on freedominion.ca before there was a complaint? Because there was the *potential* for a complaint to come in, he says – prompting muffled gasps from the group beside me, which includes the two founders of Free Dominion.
Now Doug Christie is on his feet, and expressing grave concern over the fact that a CHRC representative was investigating the site before a complaint has been made. Barbara K wants to know *who* – othe than Gentes – was considering making a complaint, and Steacy refuses to answer. Well, that was dramatic, at least.
And not very well either.
Dont expect much….this is limited apparently to existing evidence.
This wont be what some have been hoping for, not like Ezra’s situation where it was a free for all.
My suspicion is you would need to appeal a conviction or bring seperate suit to get the whole thing reviewed. Process likely dictates that this is just a loose end meeting. But important in that it probably puts it one step closer….procedure and process, ironic that they are part of rule of law. In the right hands they are the bulwark of fair trials in the wrong hands they are kafkaesque tools.
This Kady O’Malley seems like a bit of a dipshit.
Lousy blogging, or a lousy venue. Hard to tell which, probably a combination.
Macleans pays her, that’s funny in itself.
Kady O’Malley calls herself ‘balanced neutral’ when it comes to Section 13 of the HR Code.
Wonder how ‘balanced’ her reporting would be if say an EGALE ‘person’ claimed harrassment by a Roman Catholic paper.
Just putting it out there.
Kadey O’Malley @ 9:48:06 AM:
“…The lawyers are now bickering with each other, and the judge, over various letters that may or may not have been cc’d to all parties. No one else seems to know whether this is important or not; most of us are coming into this so late that we’re having enough trouble following the main evenÞ [sic] without worrying about these subplots.”
Agreed, Kathy, this is lousy blogging:
“…most of us are coming into this so late…”:
Duh.
Kadey, this issue has been on the blogosphere for MONTHS. You’d think you might have put yourself in the loop, seeing as you’re being paid to live blog this hearing. So far, I’ve learned very little…back to Kadey’s mangled live blog.
Correction to above post: Kady O’Malley
I know this woman’s beat is Ottawa, but just because the venue is Ottawa, why is she blogging this?
If I’d gotten that gig, I like to think I’d have boned up on the names of those involved the night before 🙂
You just have to go to Ezra’s site to get up to speed.
From the content qand quality of the “live”blogging, I thought it was just an average Jane/Joe covering it because they were around and had the day off or something. You know, the chit chat kind of stuff that pops into your head (some call verbal diarhea). If this is professional journalism then I am glad I haven’t read Macleans in a heck of a long time.
kady o’malley is a Liberal, raised and reared in the utopian morass of Trudeaupia. She doesn’t think; she reacts to her brainwashing.
So, her ‘live blog’ is actually an outline of How A Young BrainWashed Liberal ‘Thinks’.
That includes her refusal to print the last name of LeMire’s lawyer, excusing herself by saying she’d mispell it. So much for welcoming multiculturalism. As a professional, furthermore, Ms O’Malley ought to know the professional names of the lawyers and not reduce their status as lawyers by referring to them only by their first name.
These include her images of opposition to the HRC as bored skinheads with shaved heads. The fact that intellectuals, lawyers, professionals, oppose the HRCs – she ignores that.
Her ignorance of the Act, of how it operates, and what is at stake, is profound. This, is the Liberal mindset. She doesn’t have a clue what is going on…
By the way, there is an excellent commentary on how Trudeau wrecked Canada. Pierre Elliott Obama, by Lionel Chetwynd, in today’s National Post.
http://www.nationalpost.com/todays_paper/story.html?id=397709
It shows how Trudeau, who was a Platonist, set up Canadians as hapless Peasants, to be ruled by himself and his Philosopher-Kings. Ms O’Malley is a good example of a Liberal peasant, ie, someone bereft of any critical thinking capacity.
Kathy, exactly my question as I read further mangled testimony by O’Malley: Why the He** would Maclean’s give the job of live blogging this very important HRC Tribunal to a rookie reporter–either that, or a very inept one?
O’Malley has shown her colours more than once: Ho hum. Yawn. She has shown zilch interest in the larger issues at stake here, and is far too flippant and “whatever” for me.
I guess we’ll get the real goods from Ezra Levant and Mark Steyn.
Over to Ezra’s sight…
For once, I don’t think I’m in agreement with Kathy: this live blog is not being done “not very well”. It’s being done execrably! (From the evidence, I spend more time preparing for the one hour Catechism class I teach once a week than Ms O’Malley has bothered to expend on this landmark hearing.)
Kady O’Malley’s obviously an idiot and no professional: for starters, and among other oversights, she arrived not knowing the full name of Barbara Kulaszka, Lemire’s lawyer (she says she’ll just call her “Barbara”) and she thinks the proceedings are in a court before a judge: I believe it’s a Canadian Human Rights (sic) Tribunal with a Chairman.
Then she writes of the proceedings as if they were a poorly executed kiddie play . . . giggle, giggle, yawn, yawn . . . let’s get ON with it. This stupid woman appears to have no idea at all of the gravitas of the situation. Far more hangs in the balance here than Kady being aggrandized for being cool by her Whatever Generation buddies.
So far, I’m disgusted with this travesty of coverage—and by Macleans, which will be in the dock, itself, quite soon. I hope, like the good fairy in Sleeping Beauty, that Mark Steyn will redeem Macleans’s disreputable representation so far. What a disappointment.
Her favourite expression seems to be, “oh goodie! Break time again!”
Good lord! If I showed up for a business meeting as ill prepared as Kady obviously is, I would lose my job!
Or in the words of Mark Twain (I think): It is better to keep your mouth closed and let people think you are a fool than to open it and remove all doubt.
O’Malley @ 11:29:42 AM:
The woman next to me has literally fallen asleep. She looks so peaceful.
…and @ 11:42:49 AM:
The CHRC lawyer asks for yet another ten minute break to go over yet another document with the witness. At this rate, we may be here for hours.
Poor Kady. ‘Guess there won’t be time to buy that dress and those shoes today… ;-(
In O Malley’s defence….this is typical of her style. She live blogs committee meetings and has a conversational message to a friend style.
You may not like it but it is consistent with her other work.
The regular Macleans reporters wouldnt do this stuff, except maybe Wells.
So you can blame the assignment editor or the editor in chief, Mr Coyne, if you wish. She is delivering the goods from their perspective, and remember as an organization Maclean would hardly be corporately neutral to this.
I suspect these meetings are tough to keep interesting. You will get more considered and crafted pieces from Steyn and Gillies, as that is their job.
Not agreeing or disagreeing with O Malley just setting expectations.
Hmmm…they went for a ten minute break an hour ago, and no comments since.
Maybe she went for a walk and got lost. She did say:
A beaming, besuited gentleman was on hand as soon as I stepped off the elevatot to wave me in the right direction – which was fortunate, given my unerring ability to get hopelessly lost even when confined to a single office building floor.
Yes, this woman is prime candidate for doing dishes at home in the kitchen.
What is it with those bloody easterners? Our free speech rights are under assault, and these losers can’t even stay awake? Those people are friggin lemmings and a disgrace to the nation.
I don’t care what comes of that dog and pony show. If I get dragged before a kangaroo court the way Ezra did, I am taking a gun to the meeting and leaving the cam corder at home.
Bungholes!
Given that journalistic errors by her fellow Ottawa Hill reporters (Akin and Erikson) have conveniently gotten them transfered to Toronto, one wonders if that might be her goal too.
Isn’t she from Tawranna?
They’ve got a fluff ‘whatever’ blogger on it? Like, OMG, ur my BFF!!!
Congrats, Jim (12:55PM). You just gave Warren Kinsella an entire week’s worth of posts…
11:42AM and MIA.
She’s puttin in CBC hours.
stephen, I don’t think you can excuse Kady’s errors to ‘conversational style’. She’s being paid as a professional reporter. I don’t know how she got that job, but…
1)She ought to have researched the situation thoroughly, so that she knows the issue of the HRCs and their role, the HRAct and Section 13.1, the controversies, and people involved. She knows absolutely nothing and is reduced to
2)talking about who was ‘nice’ to her; who looked ‘funny’, who was bored, who was falling asleep, who was angry.
Nothing about the issues. Nothing. And she is being paid to do this?
I’ve seen her on either Newman or Duffy; she’s as vapid and empty of thought as she is here, focused on ‘people talk’ and hasn’t a clue about issues.
C’mon ET …. Issues?
You know very well that if she did talk about the issues she would be completely into the Warman Kamp….best that she sticks to things that stick in her head.
“Those people are friggin lemmings and a disgrace to the nation.”
Many of the people posting at this website and resisting hrc’s happen to be easterners. Shove it up your ass, jimmy boy.
What is the matter with McLean’s? Why would they send this silly shallow girl to such an important trial? Freedom of speech should be more important than that for the organization that is on the docket also. Maybe McLean’s wants people to go over to Ezra or Mark. Maybe that is the ‘method to their madness’. Must be.
I got an email from Kady. As of 2 pm, they still hadn’t resumed. She said she would return as soon things got underway.
A commenter over at Daimnation says that the clown known as Dr. Dawg is in attendance.
Don’t miss the second part (its at the bottom). She’s apologizing:
“While I’ve got the chance, I just want to apologize for, alternately, mangling the names of the various parties and witnesses, or making up my own ones entirely. I’ll go back and correct the record when I’m done, but at the moment, I’m more concerned about keeping up with the testimony.”
I think quite a bit of this criticism is from people who HAVE NEVER LIVE BLOGGED ANYTHING IN THEIR LIVES THEMSELVES. Or at least for this large on audience.
Chill, folks.
christopher rivers at March 25, 2008 2:13 PM
I concur with your comment in it’s entirety.
c rivers, agreed.
The Media has used East-West quarrels to divide and conquer for decades.
IMO, it is not the E-W peoples who are at odds – it is the E-W politics.
I know a lot of people have a lot invested in this hearing, in today’s process, but once again I ask that people keep calm and realistic.
Kady O’Malley is not an “issues” reporter.
No matter who reports on this, it cannot be what everyone hopes, because hopes have been set so very high. The gravitas of this meeting is something that might not be obvious to someone who has not spent evening after evening debating these issues and honing their perspective.
The mere fact that this is being liveblogged is a huge thing. To the overwhelming majority of Canadians this issue is not on the radar.
However the liveblogging is done, it is better than no liveblogging at all. Perhaps Kady O’Malley will take the opportunity to look more closely into the issue.
Inflammatory rhetoric [JIM – you bringing a gun to what? Where? WTF? Are you real or a troll] is counterproductive to the cause we are trying to advance. Insulting the liveblogger is counterproductive. Ranting and raving is counterproductive.
Would you rather Macleans ignored this?
Anger and frustration expressed mindlessly serve no purpose except those of our opponents. Anger and frustration harnessed to fuel patience and persistence will win the day.
Kinda odd that an issue that affects THE BIGGEST THREAT TO OUR LIVES AND FREEDOM!!11!! is unfolding in Ottawa right now, and yet the most popular and influential conservative blog in Canada is…back home at home on the farm, linking to Macleans’ coverage.
Even your five foot friend is nowhere to be found, except in your comments threads, liveblogging Kady O’Malley’s liveblogging of THE BIGGEST HREAT TO OUR LIVES AND FREEDOM!!11!!
Like I said, kinda odd. You two broke or something?
I’ve culled the entire post and, to save the rest of you some time, here’s the money line: “the one hour break… is so very welcome – that’s more than enough time to forage for datesquares.”
Yum.
And Nanaimo bars, too; Canada’s gift to the world.
Double-Yum!
ET,
That may well be, I am just saying this is her style. She is reporting and not analyzing….isnt that what they are supposed to do.
Once again, I am neither here to bury her or prasie her I am just saying she is reporting in relative real time what she is hearing. And yes it does have an OMG/BFF feel to it….whatever!
Age thing. Many of the live blogs I have read on the US presidential debates and other events have the same “atmospheric” quality to it. She is tapping it out on a blackberry I suspect.
Having done this from tradeshows for the people back at the office I can tell you there isnt time for analysis just notes. She does better than me getting in actual sentences.
As for the lack of research….sure. Once again, I wouldnt get to worried about it, her job is to go from committee room to committee room and document. Read the rest of her entries and you’ll see what I mean.
Once again just saying this is her style, room for imporvement? Sure a little more familiarity with the subject would help, but who knows, the charge from her editors might be to walk in cold and just observe and report…..I dont know. But this isnt a Kady O Malley thread, unlike the much missed Hurricane Krista thread 🙂
Back to the issue though….it sounds like Lemire’s lawyer is starting to put the pieces of their case in place brick by brick. Sounds like the witness is a little surly. Kady is actually a good canary in the coal mine….if she is unaware of previous facts then if the story becomes clear to her then lawyer is doing a good job….if she is still confused at the end of it all then maybe the case wasnt well made.
Anyway, it isnt televised so you’ll have to live off her electronic droppings.
To be fair to Kady, the quality of her liveblogging has picked up in her part 2 post. And she issued an apology for any messed up names and promised to go back and clean them up later.
Maybe she got some feedback during the 11:42AM break and decided to try a little harder.
Fun fact. She can’t be all bad:
http://www.solitarytrees.net/pickets/sp903.htm
Now we are getting some interesting details…
2:18:27 PM
So why *was* he on freedominion.ca before there was a complaint? Because there was the *potential* for a complaint to come in, he says – prompting muffled gasps from the group beside me, which includes the two founders of Free Dominion.
So why *was* he on freedominion.ca before there was a complaint? Because there was the *potential* for a complaint to come in, he says – prompting muffled gasps from the group beside me, which includes the two founders of Free Dominion.
Contrast with the CBC, which gets thousands of real complaints about its anti-American, anti-Israel, and pro-socialist biases.
But the CBC isn’t a conservative organization, is it?
So can someone explain to me why the Commisshhhh would go after Freedominion.ca? I understand why they were snooping around stormfront but how did they make the leap to a message board without a complaint?
There was some testimony about Jadwarr being outed on stormfront as a commission memeber and being on Freedominion???
Maybe someone can clarify…..much obliged in advance.
“PRE-CRIME” INVESTIGATION ADMITTED BY chrc FLUNKY”
“”2:15:23 PM
Under questioning, Steacy remains adamant that he *had* to join the various sites, including freedominion.ca, in order to use the search engine and access the full site. He also claims that there were “security concerns” about the safety of CHRC staffers working on “hate files,” which is why he logged in to see what had been posted about JadeWarr’s identity.
2:18:27 PM
So why *was* he on freedominion.ca before there was a complaint? Because there was the *potential* for a complaint to come in, he says – prompting muffled gasps from the group beside me, which includes the two founders of Free Dominion.
Now Doug Christie is on his feet, and expressing grave concern over the fact that a CHRC representative was investigating the site before a complaint has been made. Barbara K wants to know *who* – othe than Gentes – was considering making a complaint, and Steacy refuses to answer.”
The mere fact that O’Malley is live-blogging is not a huge thing in and of itself, lori, and in fact I would suggest that her utter lack of preparation or knowledge of the background of the proceeding, or of the issues underlying it, means she’s essentially letting the air out of the tires.
O’Malley at the Malta Conference: “My gawd, I’m soo bored, and these chairs are too hard… Okay, basically, what just happened was that some guy was droning on about the campaign against the “shermans” (?!) and I asked what that meant and he shushed me. Now he’s looking at a map of — omigod, where’d he get that haircut? It’s sooo 1920’s…”
O’Malley covering an important moment in Canadian Free speech history: “Once again, Barbara is reading a lengthy excerpt from her big binder…it’s apparently from Warman’s past testimony…and some document he submitted at a past hearing, but I don’t think anyone is really listening to her at this point. She’s trying to establish that Warman was aware that the JadeWarr account belonged to a CHRC staffer, so she has to read it into the record, but it doesn’t make it any less tedious to hear. Finally, she gets to her question…”
O’Malley covering the siege at the Polish Post office in 1939: “Overheard: A woman wailing. I seem to have misplaced my gum. Okay, there’s all this racket and everything…I hear a bunch of men shouting…these potatoes have gone bad…”
Referring to Barbara Kulaszka: “…thanks to a very kind reader, I can now write out her full last name — Kaluska — without fear of horrific misspellings…”
“Tuesday, March 25, 2008
DEAN STEACY – 007
“Mr. Steacy’s assistant is not here today,” said Margot Blight, referring to the Oriental woman who had led him in and assisted him at the last hearing..
Before the examination could continue, Margot Blight, the Commission’s lawyer, complained that the defence was seeking to introduce new evidence on the Anne Cools issue. Mr. lemire has charged that Richard Warman posted a scurrilous attack on the Black Canadian senator under one of his numerous assumed identities.”
http://blog.freedomsite.org/
LMAO EBD. Point taken, but I’d still much rather have this kind of coverage than no coverage at all.
I don’t think journalism is ever what we think it should be, or what imagine it used to be, but it’s what we’ve got to work with, so make the best of it.
And I think that her coverage is improving. Maybe she is reading this blog and realizing that she is dealing with serious stuff. And in fairness, having tried to explain this thing to reasonably intelligent family members and friends, I have mostly encountered a vague sense of “why are you getting so worked up” from them. Maybe it’s my lack of ability to express myself, or the brainwashing so deep in the system, or the fact that our clarity comes from months and years of grappling with these things, not overnight… regardeless, I say we cut her some slack.
Lori @ 3:16 pm – “Maybe she is reading this blog and realizing that she is dealing with serious stuff.”
Or maybe she is finally catching on to the way HRC’s function – without due process inquisitions – and a small light is flickering in Ms Kady’s thought process!
Try Deborah Gyapong’s blog for other coverage.
lori. An OMMAG. I’m not asking for a live blog about issues. I’m aware that reporting a hearing isn’t an analysis of that hearing. I’m asking only for a reasonably (note that word) open and intelligent blog.
Kady is already ‘on the side of the Warman, Kinsella types’. She’s already, without being aware of it, on the side of the necessity of Philosopher-King Rulers who bear the onerous task of deciding, for we who are peasants, what we may think about, read about, hear about, speak about.
You can see that in her comments about the pro-free speech people being ‘skinheads’; in her inability to spell the name of Lemire’s lawyer.
What I’m asking for is commentary that reports what is said. Not her observations on their dress code, their sleep patterns, their emotions. Just the facts, ma’am.
EBD’s examples show the problem with having a Kady as reporter. Again, how the heck did she get her job?
That it’s unrealistic to expect a quasi judicial tribunal to conduct the same sort of sting operations as law enforcement without providing the same protections that would be given to the accused if it was a criminal investigation?
I don’t know why it would be unrealistic. Any suspect or defendant, no matter how despicable their character or crime, has the right that investigators, prosecutors and judges will follow the rules. If the defendant has truly committed a crime, there is no need to plant evidence or otherwise attempt to frame him.
ET,
Ulm, I dont know if O Malley is in anyones camp…hence my suspicion her charter is to show up to these things cold 9but I could be wrong)…. Kinsella already tried to spank her for showing some level of support for “freespeechers” and unfettered commission powers. So having warren mad at her cant make her all bad 😉
As for calling them skinheads….well, I am not there, but are you open to the possibility that they might actually have had shaved heads….fair point that this is fashionable these days and says squat about your politics…they might also be skinheads. Once again not there, cant confirm or deny.
I wouldnt read anything into a column written by Kady other than what is on the page….it isnt that deep.
The disturbing possibility that sites have been investigated because of comments that investigators planted has been rumbling just barely beneath the surface for a long time now. The readily-available (and now over one year old) transcripts of Mr. Kulaszka’s cross examinations of Steacy et al show Ms K deftly closing in on the issue.
Finally, today, we see the hard-evidence that this — almost-funny — scenario of different investigators investigating a third party because of the other investigator’s respective comments may actually have occurred: The HRC received a complaint about comments by “Estate”; “Estate” was actually a police officer.
O’Malley: “I’m sort of losing the thread here, though. Not sure exactly what the antics of Edmonton and Southern Ontario cops has to do with Warman v. Lemire, except that it demonstrates that not everyone who posts racist crap on the internet is, in fact, a racist.”
Yeah. *Except for that*, what’s that got to do with anything?
COAB.