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“We are halfway through March, and the sun has been very quiet, Ap magnetic index remains low, sunspots are zilch, all we have is a bit of solar wind from the occasional coronal hole. […] This is the one that worries me though, as I’ve pointed out before, we have that step function (or discontinuity) in 2005 (see red arrows) which gives the impression that something just “switched off” in the solar magnetic dynamo.” |
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Learn something new everyday about the mentality of the glotards.I had no idea the sun had an on off switch. Hell I hope the USA finds it before the Russians.
I think a sunspot tax would fix this. A carbon tax will fix global warming so ask a superscientist like Al Gore or Dr.Fruitfly how we can get control of our sunspots by taxing telescope observers.
Am I the only one who saw “cornhole”? I really have to learn to slow down when I read…
RG
The solar magnetic dynamo “possibly switched off”? What bloody garbage! We as a species think that we know soooo much, but do we truly understand the dynamics and functions of our star, the sun?
NO, we do not.
Scientists think they can predict sunspot activity with a high degree of certainty, but, like the weather, they are not always right.
Little or no sunspot activity is good for us but it will not last. A major eruption could be right around the next rotation of the sun.
Oh nooooo!! It’s Man made Solar cooling!!
We’re all gonna die!!
Quickly buy up those “solar” credits while you can so we can gain absolution from Gaia in the celestial after life!!
Please correct me if I’m wrong.
Less sunspots = less solar wind
Less solar wind = more cosmic rays reaching the atmosphere
More cosmic rays = more clouds
More clouds = lower global temperatures
Crap, just when I was excited about the benefits of a warmer climate, the sun goes and screws it up. Al Gore and David Suzuki will probably try and take the credit.
So who’s in for raiding the super markets and hoarding canned goods?
Everyone got yer bunkers ready?
quick lets buy some of those monolithes from the 2010 space odessey and ignite Jupiter before we all freeze to death.
actually , Im expecting that anyday the Gorecle and Dr. Mengele(arrest the politicians) Suzuki will be claiming some success in mitigating global warming. they have been a bit too quiet lately.
Kate, you post this like you understand it.
*giggles*
‘The solar magnetic dynamo “possibly switched off”? What bloody garbage!’ ~ sam23
Did you even bother to look at the chart of the sun’s activity? Look at 2005: Everything drops to a much lower level, and Stays there! And things have been cooling down here ever since. And the start of solar cycle 24 was supposed to be This time Last year!
And you get nothing out of all of this?
‘bloody garbage’ is what the goreacle et al have been trying to ram down our throats.
This is something the whole world can SEE. It has a 400-year-long track record.
Maybe this will make more sense?
period mean temp C rise or fall per century
———————————————————–
1739-1801 63yrs 5.1 degrees +0.63 degrees
1801-1816 16 4.8 -3.4 Dalton minimum
1816-1867 52 5.0 -1.1
1867-1930 64 4.8 +1.1 global warming
1930-1999 70 5.5 +0.29
http://www.kolumbus.fi/tilmari/gwuppsala.htm
This is much more worrisome than Algore’s fear mongering. We’re truly at the mercy of the Sun.
We spend far too much energy and effort trying to save the planet, when really we should trying to save ourselves.
Let’s face it, nature has been trying to kill us all ever since we crawled out the primordial ooze and it’s an implacable enemy. Only in adaptation is there survival.
Okay, who can we human sacrifice to bring back the sun? I have a few ideas…
The most accurate comment made there, I think, is Gulrud’s:
[i]”IMHO The conventional wisdom in heliophysics right now is to predict the near future from the recent past. And this is a young science, really only having gotten rolling with the satellite era. Moreover, one has a hard time getting published without making a prediction using some recently discovered insight.”[/i]
You can’t read [i]anything[/i] in the data presented on the site – the timeline’s not long enough. The solar sunspot cyclic periodicity is itself quite variable. Algoracles continue to try and micromanage hugely macro events – events with millennia as baselines, not mere years. A little knowledge is a dangerous thing…
Dr Tim Ball has been saying this for 20 years — watch out for Global Cooling, as in a Maunder Minimum (Little Ice Age) A bruttle time in Europe)
Our Sun is a dynamic object. Changes in it’s output, along with the Earth hurtling through our Solar System at thousands of kilometers per hour through different Cosmic Ray Clouds, cause the Earth’s climate to change. (think mile thick ice covering Canada only 10000 years ago)
Tim noticed these sudden and dramatic changes in The Hudson Bay Company’s climate records of the last few centuries.
Then along comes PMPM’s environment Minister — Dion instructs Environment Canada to spend $Billion$ — telling Canadians that the climate is changing. (dollars that could have been spent on real polution problems)
The Mother-Of-All-Lawsuits would be a slam-dunk.
As I was surfing the Canadian TV channels last night I stopped at one place where so called experts were bashing alberta and the tar sands for not jacking up royalties and buying carbon credits to make Canada carbon neutral. What a load of hooey. As I’m watching the gusting wind whip up the snow and buffet the house, I’m told it’s Canada’s fault for _________(fill in the blank).
BTW, just what is the Pembina Institute anyway? This guy sounded like Chicken Little.
The Pembina Institute is just another Lie-beral think(?) tank.
The Ice Age cometh…
The sky is falling alright. It went down below minus 10 last night. There is 3 feet of snow in my backyard. Two cars can barely squeeze down my street because of the snowbanks.
Oh ya, the sky is falling alright. It is called SNOW!
The next time a scientist claims to have all the answers, boot him in the nuts as they aren’t smart enough to be allowed to breed.
The next time a failed politician claims the same thing, shoot them.
Texas Canuck:
The Pembina Institute is a group of essentially left-wing thinkers who see themselves as the “antidote” to all the pro-energy types here in Alberta.
Interestingly, whenever referenced by the MSM (and they’re referenced a lot by the MSM), they’re never referred to as the “left-wing” Pembina Institute, even though organizations like the Fraser Institute are always identified as “right-wing.”
Wouldn’t want the general public to catch on, doncha know. Mind you, it’s not like most people in Alberta pay the Pembina Institute any mind, really. The Institute dances strictly for a Central Canadian audience (and only a certain kind of Central Canadian audience, at that…).
Garth
NASA’s long range solar forecast is for cycle 24 to be more intense than usual. This would be good as it would warm things up, but I suspect they might be wrong this time. The long term predictions by Dr Theodor Landscheidt are for a marked cooling phase around 2030. I’d prefer to have the cooling then as while I like snow, I like hot summer weather a lot more. However, if significant global cooling takes place in the next few years this is likely to convince even the most dense individuals that the Goracle and Dr. Fruitfly are lying scoundrels (don’t expect to convince the converted Kyotoites now that they’re trying to stop “man made” climate change instead of global warming).
Loki~ the people at NASA actually hedged their bet- they said it was 50-50 that it would be either very high or very low. They are betting on High (as in, keep the global warming coming, bring on that socialist power-grab).
However they also said things would be perking up come…. March of 2008. Today is the 17th. Activity on the sun is Flat.
I’m betting on the marked cooling phase kicking in by 2015.
good thing we have a shit load of oil and a massive military/
cooling trend. by 2030 it will be bloody cool. i will not be alive to see it.
Don’t get hooked up on his simily, “it looks as if the something had switched off” he’s just pointing out what appears to be step change in activity.
Big Bear Solar Observatory. Click on the top disk to enlarge. I’ve never seen the sun so spotless before.
http://www.bbso.njit.edu/
Interesting observation on the solar activity.
I always understood (because that’s what I read and was told) that Northern Lights correspond with sun spots.
Now I know for a fact that on the 8th we had some strong auroras …… so what’s up …. sun spots or NOT???
Global warming creates fluctuations which account for the extreme weather the world has been increasingly experiencing. As well, with global warming, more melting, more water, and so more precipitation (snow).
Cheers. 🙂
rolik~ it is called ‘climate change,’ and it changes in cycles running decades. Unlike the IPCC and the goreacle, most of us here have figured that out.
You may wish to look up global warming in the 1920s and 30s, they were quite concerned about it. In fact they predicted the North Polar cap would be gone by the 40s.
Oh, otter –
Are you a Nobel Laureate?
I didn’t think so.
A hundred Nobel Laureates testified they not only believe in global warming but consider it one of the greatest dangers facing humanity today.
If you don’t mind I’ll side with them, instead of the hayseeds who grunt: “There ain’t no global warmin’ – it’s cold and snowin’ out!”
(As I said global warming accounts for the extreme weather and greater precipitation we’ve been experiencing)
M’kay? 😉
A hundred? Not 97? Or did you mean 106? Testified where? To whom? And under what authority? What were their Nobels awarded in? (How many Nobels have been awarded in the fields of atmospheric sciences?)
And I trust you aren’t including the “Peace” prize. Citing a peace prize winner as an authority on climate science would be akin to asking the Nobel winner in Literature their opinions on quantum physics, no?
Links, man, links!
All I can say is, it’s harder to receive instructions from my superiors in Moscow on shortwave, with the depletion of the D, E, F1 and F2 layers…
rolik
“””””A hundred Nobel Laureates testified they not only believe in global warming but consider it one of the greatest dangers facing humanity today.””””””
let me see now
it has been warming up a little for about 20,000 years now, and man has not only survived, but prospered and now covers the whole globe. If it warms a little more maybe we’ll inhabit the moon and mars!!!!
To earn a Nobel you need to be very focused on a very narrow topic. Being stuck in a lab for years and years does not mean you can zip your pants in the morning. Hayseeds need broad knowledge just to grow that hay. When it comes growing food who would you trust, a farmer or a Nobel winner?
Since the sun has gone to sleep maybe we could wake it up. We will need a very large body with which to disturb the sun’s surface. Maybe Al Gore tied to Micheal Moore would do the trick. Worth a try, no?
Joe, you’ve just made me have to clean wine off my monitor screen. Now that I’ve done that, I think your idea has considerable merit. What better way to prevent CO2 release into the atmosphere than by having ones body hurled into the sun? I’m sure there would be lots of support for building a space elevator and mass driver in LEO to transport environmentalist volunteers to the mass driver to reduce their terrestial carbon footprint. Until we get this done, I think we can start with the two large objects you had in mind.
Joe, you’ve just made me have to clean wine off my monitor screen. Now that I’ve done that, I think your idea has considerable merit. What better way to prevent CO2 release into the atmosphere than by having ones body hurled into the sun? I’m sure there would be lots of support for building a space elevator and mass driver in LEO to transport environmentalist volunteers to the mass driver to reduce their terrestial carbon footprint. Until we get this done, I think we can start with the two large objects you had in mind.
Dear Kate
Don’tknow how to imbed links. But Google “100 Nobel Prize winners” and “global warming” and seewhat you get.
Strangely, many of them seem to have won it in the areas of physics and chemistry.
But I’m sure you’ll find it’s all a conspiracy of those anti-semitic, misogynist (etc., etc.) Leftards you and your peeps so love to rave on about!
Heck, I’ll take the word of you or any of the Einsteins here over 100 Nobel Laureates!
Rolik, I’m puzzled why you think that 100 nobel laureates signing a petition is in any way significant. In science the numbers in support of a given theory are irrelevent; it’s who is right that counts. The history of science is replete with examples of the overwhelming majority of scientists being in support of a particular theory which was overturned often by one person pursuing their own independant line of inquiry. Einstein, despite his brilliance in other fields, never accepted quantum mechanics. So with Einstein, if he said something to do with relativity you could count on it likely to be true but he’s totally wrong when it comes to quantum mechanics. In my area, medicine, the prevailing view was that ulcers were caused by stress until two maverick Australian GP’s proved that the bacterium Helicobacter pylorii was the cause of 95% of ulcers. I’m sure you probably could have gotten most nobel lauriates in medicine to endorse the prevailing theory of ulcer causation prior to it being overturned.
The other part of the petition was against a “weaponized world”. There seems to be something about academics which makes them anti-military. I used to do research at one time and in the early 1980’s most of the academics I worked with were convinced that Ronald Reagan would be the initiator of a nuclear war; none of them were prepared for the total collapse of the USSR instead. My cynical interpretation of why academics are so anti-military is because they figure for every billion that goes towards defence is a billion less that is available for their pet project.
rolik~ chemistry has What to do with the Maunder and Dalton Minimums, and the Dalton Minimum that is even now descending upon us?
What do your 100 laureates have to say about that?
*crickets chirp*
Mass-murderer arafat was a nobel laureate.
Sorry rolik, your heroes have feet of clay, the Nobel Prize has been devalued significantly since it was used to make political statements by the committee. Good old Yasser was a case in point, as was the Goreacle most recently. It is now more akin to the Academy Awards and grows more so every day. If they had stuck to their mandate and not tried to massage the world view they would have more credibility.
Since it is apparent that they now award their “prize” based on political leanings it has been seriously devalued. Maybe if they all stood up and stated that they had erred in the past and would no longer attempt to influece world opinion through manipulation of their “winners” they might regain some lost ground. They won’t do that though so any thinking person will take their announcements with a grain of salt and look for the hidden agenda. This is too bad as they could have “been a contender”.
Well, Kate, otter, loki. commguy, et al
Y’all have provided me with mucho chuckles with your repsonses, but seriously:
The 100 Nobel Laureates who’ve attested to the danger of global warming include winners of every year from 1972 to 2001.
As a quick perusal of google will confirm.
Now if you want to continue arguing that Kate and the rest of the SDA crew here are more intelligent than the combined intellect of 100 Nobel Laureates, by all means go ahead.
After all, the world needs a few more laughs these days.
I mean: this site is a spoof isn’t it?
No-one really takes what gets posted here seriously. Do they? 🙂
No, rolik, Kate forgot to post a picture of a temperature station, and we all KNOW that that is the ultimate proof for the anti-AGWers here.
Good rebuttal rolik, OK that was sarcasm just in case you missed it. All you do is keep restating your point, which we don’t accept and which is off topic. I think that is one of the strategies of the left when they are losing an argument, redirect and distract…. Even NASA has admitted there data was flawed and no longer supports the global warming theory put forward by the UN. Admit that it was a money grab that failed and that AGW is a disproven theory.
When AGW does bomb, and it has, are you going to come back and point out how all those 100 Nobel Laureates were very intelligent but not very smart? There is a difference, these guys have no “common dog” and would probably die if left to forage for food, your average farmer would fare a lot better.
You may have faith in the Nobel Laureates, I don’t after seeing so many “win” the prize who so little deserved it, merely to make a point, quite often in an Anti-American fashion.
rolik, you are entitled to your view but you are a troll, if you want like minded people then go over to rabble and babble with the rest of them. You can worship at the altar of Gaia with the rest of them who are stunned by Gores towering intellect, or maybe they are just simply stunned. Period.
Quite frankly, as a lifelong conservative, this steady drumbeat of people denying global warming is unseemly.
The science is in, and is quite incontrovertible in my view. To continue denying it simply makes conservatives look foolish. It is tantamount to continuing to deny that cigarette smoking is unhealthy.
As a conservative, I am pro-business, of course. But to deny global warming as a knee-jerk reaction in favor of the oil companies is nonsensical. We can’t deny reason and logic in favor of business – there are other ways to express our commitment to the free market.
It is the left who deny common sense and reality, not us. For the unbiased mind, the reality states quite clearly that global warming is a fact.
Mel Shortner
Mel, when you talk about global warming are you referring to the anthropogenic kind or the natural kind? 20 years ago I have to admit that I was a believer in AGW but a closer examination of the evidence has led me to the conclusion that climate change is primarily driven by external forces. AGW is a thinly disguised powergrab by statists and should be exposed for what it is.
About the only good thing that has come of the climate hysteria is that it’s made a lot of people realize that they can’t take climate for granted. We live on a planet that alternates between ice ages and warm periods between the ice ages. We’re lucky to be living in one of the warm periods which I hope will be around for a while. The only way we’re going to survive whatever happens in the future is to have a lot more technology and much more energy at our disposal to deal with climactic catastrophes which are going to happen. The route that AGW advocates are taking humanity is towards primitivism and the standard response of primitive societies to climactic disasters is mass extinction.
Wow, comsguy
You repudiate the views of Nobel Laureates because they don’t have a “common dog” (?!), would probably die if they had to forage food, and the average farmer would do better?
That’s your argument?
Yeah, you’re probably right. All those fancy Nobel Prize-winning scientists don’t know anything, what with their smarty pants book-learnin’ and all.
Best to trust the word of the average farmer over them:
“Cain’t be no global warmin’! Snow on the ground!”
rolik, you don’t know what “common dog” is do you? You have never served your country, whichever one you live in, have you? If you had you would know what “common dog” is…
Again you distract and redirect by cherry picking my comments, typical troll behaviour.
If your Nobel Laureates came out and stated the Global Warming has occurred in the past and apparently ceased in 1998 as their data shows then I agree. If they support AGW then I do think they are narrowly focused intelligent men who, for emotional reasons, are supported a flawed theory “for the betterment of mankind”.
I repudiate the views or “your experts” since I believe they are wrong. I don’t think they are smart but agree that they have spent most of their lives in labs in universities, seldom exposed to the real world. They had to do that to acheive what they have, makes them intelligent, not smart…
Giai bless you rolik, you obviously need all the blessing you can get.
Rolik does the typical display of all ignorant disciples of a religion. He is incapable of discussing the hard science of the matter, so he resorts to appeals to what he claims are “authority”. It’s no different than yet another religious cult appeal to revealed truth. It signifies nothing.
To answer your bleatings, Rolik, take your rubbish over to ClimateAudit and see what kind of response you get. Of course, given your ignorant disciple role, you won’t even understand the topics of the entries, let along the content. I’m reluctant do do so, however, because theirs is a serious
And no, if it’s not in their discipline, Rolik, Nobel Prize laureates and their opinions have no more weight than that of anyone else. Do you truly understand what ‘expert’ means?
I thought not.