It’s a toss-up;
There was a piece that was supposed to be about the Conservatives extending the amnesty on rifles and shotguns… you know… the Liberals infamous and totally ineffectual 2 billion dollar “Farmer Bob Rifle Registry.”
In the midst of a slow montage of various pictures of rifles and shotguns sitting in racks… CTV suddenly cuts to a jarring clip of a man firing an MP5 submachinegun… a restricted weapon used primarily by SWAT Teams around the world.
He got 72 seats & 52% of the 40 odd per cent who even bothered to turn out to vote. 60% stayed home. Do your own math.
When the Venture Capitalists, Oil Companies and Food Companies own all the farm land, you won’t need guns as the land will be posted and you will be a poacher. Your deceased ancestors could remind you of this from Europe.
I saw the local news in London, Ont. They showed sawed-off shotguns (illegal,) automatics (ditto,) pistols (different registry since the depression — how’s that working out?) and a few assault rifles (one of which had a folding stock.)
I’m not sure it’s even honestly that’s the problem. These are just urban liberals with no actual facts. They go purely emotional and thought is absent.
aa,
A twit as usual. Harper can’t kill the registry because he’s running a minority government – or hadn’t you noticed? Idiot.
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“He got 72 seats & 52% of the 40 odd per cent who even bothered to turn out to vote. 60% stayed home. Do your own math”
Your assessment then is the 60% of Alberta voters that “stayed home” were Liberal voters that couldn’t be bothered to get off their socially assisted couches to turn out? So therefore the election outcome does not truly represent the feelings of the majority of Albertans? I would disagree.
“Its actually just part of the ongoing propaganda campaign against firearm ownership and self defense generally”
Spot on Phantom. I have been in the trenches on this issue since 1989 and the media constantly misrepresent the technicalities at issue in the gin control debate…it is partly ignorance as the laws regulating guns are dealing with a highly technical subject which many media types have no clue of…
…and it is partially purposeful partisan disinformation …I recall the debate on C-68 in the media and 3 of our national TV news outlets always had a background picture of an AK47 behind the news presenter during this period.
Now the AK47 may be a stigamtizing, menacing liiking tool of destruction to the average TO cindo-dweller…but the fact was that it was banned and effectively prohibited before Chretien introduced C-68…it was off the map in this legislation which largely effected common hunting and sporting long arms…now you can explain this away as the media liking to sensationalize and spook and shock, hut this went on routinely during the house debate and numerous Canadian sportsman’s and firearms organizations had lawyers send letters to the editors of these media outlets stating the depiction of previously banned select fire machine guns in relation to the law in debate was fraudulent….but it continued…hmmmmm
The MSM likes their news biased towards their worldview.
How many years did Big Brother prevent Canadians from viewing Fox News?
In the U.S. the NRA stood between Big Brother and our citizens, and protected them (so far) from submitting to a national firearm registry.
A registry is always the first step before confiscation, as any good fascist knows.
Dishonesty Or Stupidity?
False choice. I vote “both”…
Alchemist >
It would also bee interesting to see the statistics broken down by race as they do in the US. The statcan listing Nunavut homicides by firearm at 6.50% per 100K is telling in itself. Obviously the native peoples of Canada will never ever loose their rights to firearm ownership as the leftist movement would deem that as bad as loosing the humpback whale.
Of course in a PC society those kinds of facts may hurt some feelings and we wouldn’t want that even if it did point to the real issues and allow a sensible solution to the problems of crime in general.
I realize that I’m late to the game on this one …. but how about Stupid AND Dishonest???
BTW – I woke up this morning to some twit on CTV saying that Dion is calling the Conservatives Chicken for NOT making the gun registry a confidence issue!
Huh………..?
biased+stupid = dishonest
They can’t help it.
Anyone want to try and figure out what aa stands for?A few obvious ones comes to mind:a##hole always.
I have been in the trenches on this issue since 1989 and the media constantly misrepresent the technicalities at issue in the gin control debate.
Gin control!!! Now they’re after my liquor cabinet…which I keep locked
the Liberals infamous and totally ineffectual 2 billion dollar “Farmer Bob Rifle Registry.”
What is not in question is the dishonesty of the above post, nor the stupidity of the small dead minds who buy into the right wing BS lock, stock and barrel.
The cost of the registry since inception in ’95 is about $1 billion. To put that into perspective, the cost to the taxpayer to subsidize all those freeloader Farmer Bobs since ’95 is about $60 billion, conservatively speaking.
All canadians should be allowed to sleep safly at night with out having to worry about being robbed or murdered all canadians should have easy accese to guns for self defense and screw IANSA and GEORGE SOROS as well
Its dishonesty that makes them look really stupid.
manny,
let me see if I have your point here:
You think we should stop worrying as $1billion isn’t really that much? You think wasting money is ok if we’ve wasted an even bigger forture elsewhere?
Clearly your way of thinking is what is ruining our country. And that is without the consideration of the effectiveness and justice of the program.
I think someone should institute a leftard tax. Your taxes are doubled if you have ever said anything so stupid as Manny or voted NDP or Liberal. If you pay no taxes (see the above mentioned groups,) you lose all your “free” money and handouts. Then we’ll see who cares about a billion here or a billion there.
Warwick >
A very good point and solution for the leftist rationality that our money is for the pleasures of everyone else but us.
Yes let’s talk about Non Facts. “infamous and totally ineffectual 2 billion dollar “Farmer Bob Rifle Registry.”
Speaking of dishonesty the program to register rifles and shotguns does not cost 2 billion dollars.
If this is what the Conservatives want to do about long guns.
“Although owners would not have to register their long guns, other legal requirements would stay in place:
• long-gun owners would require a valid firearms license to purchase or possess firearms and to purchase ammunition
• long-gun owners would be required to go through police safety checks
• long-gun owners would still be required to pass safety training
• current owners would be required to verify that a potential purchaser or another new owner of their non-restricted firearm has a valid firearms license by contacting the Chief Firearms Officer.
Individuals would continue to be required to register prohibited and restricted firearms, such as handguns.”
If you think, by not registering long guns this would save the firearm control budget 2 billion dollars? Think again.
If only Law Abiding firearm owners registered their firearms why are the Conservatives extending the amnesty again? This extension would total 3 years. How long does it take the Law Abiding firearm owners to register their firearms? If they were law abiding firearm owners their firearms would have been registered the 1st year the law came out.
From the RCMP website: Some quick facts about the Canadian Firearms Program as of Jan 2008
“Individual Licence Refusal and Revocation
21,676 firearms licences have been refused or revoked by Chief Firearms Officers for public safety reasons.
• 7,414 applications have been refused
• 14,262 firearms licences have been revoked.
Note : Reasons why firearms licence applications have been refused or licences revoked include: a history of violence, mental illness, potential risk to himself/herself or others, unsafe firearm use and storage, drug offences, and providing false information.”
14,262 firearms licences have been revoked, do these people own firearms?
If there is no gun registry and a person’s firearm licence is revoked how would the authorities determine if the person owned any firearms, and then, take the appropriate measures.
Ma’am sorry about your daughter’s death, we revoked your daughter’s ex husband’s firearms licence and we had a restraining order but we didn’t know how many firearms he possessed.
If the Firearm Program is just a Liberal policy why haven’t the Conservative passed a non confident motion and scrapped the gun registry like they promised?
No, Warwick, my point is that the $2 billion figure is bogus, that only a cretin would regurgitate that conservative canard without question, and that outrage over tax money wasted should be proportional to the amount wasted.
If a tax on right wing hypocrisy were instituted, we’d all be fartin’ thru silk.
…the stupidity of the small dead minds who buy into the right wing BS lock, stock and barrel. The cost of the registry…
is freedom itself.
/manny, you lib dumbass
Here’s a question for all:
Crime rate with guns before registry.
Crime rate with guns after registry.
Any noticeable chnages in rates, %’s, an inflection point to indicate that somehow this registry actually made a difference to anything?
(Unlike, say ,comparison with liberalization of gun carry regs in places in the US which have been shown to – AT WORST – have ZERO recorded effect on crime. And anecdotally has made a lot of people safer – defensive uses that don’t result in dead bodies/woundings, the vast majority – rarely get recorded.)
Because we know it has annoyed gun owners and loaded them with paperwork, that if they fail to complete regularly through inattention makes them criminals, and gives the police and the slimey prosecutors another reason to harass/ confiscate /jail gun owners whose horrible crimes are paperwork related.
AND it costs a LOT of money.
Money that I suspect could find LOTS more effective law enforcement uses.
Manny,
Dig a little deeper an you will see that the $1 Billion dollar figure is a few years old. The registry burns through 75-100mm a year, the $2 Billion was the estimate to complete the job.
Thus, when they talk about the $2 Billion figure, they’re talking the all-in amount. Of course, given the lack of progress, even this figure may prove to be low.
But, in your view, what’s an extra billion between friends, eh? I’m sure that billion is money well spent and has sent the children of government employee liberals to university. Why crab about another billion just cause it’s used against the law abiding for no good reason whatsoever?
Results aren’t important to a liberal. So what’s the big deal. Right?
Luke leaked: “If the Firearm Program is just a Liberal policy why haven’t the Conservative passed a non confident motion and scrapped the gun registry like they promised?”
Because quietly extending the amnesty got them an MP5 clip on CTV, genius. What do you think they’ll do when the registry gets scrapped? It’ll be wall-to-wall “AK 47’s at the OK Coral” for weeks.
Might be nice to have a majority for a sh1tstorm like that, don’t you think?
Luke – Have you ever watched the voting procedure in the House of Commons? Dippers/Bloc/Puffins would all vote FOR the registry then the gov’t would have to FUND it!! Not funding the registry starves it to death.
As for a confidence motion on this issue – read what Phantom wrote above.
The cost of setting up an interactive relational data base for the gun registration thingie during the dark ages (13 years of Puffin/Dipper rule) is way out of the ballpark -billions!! – anyone who knows anything about data bases would know that one half decent programer could have set up this very UNCOMPLEX program in a week. The Puffins thought that everyone in this country is as ignorant as their supporters re: computer programming. “Some one or some people’ made a bundle of $$ on ‘some’ contract – Aboteck rings a bell to me; Angry in the Great White North wrote a very comprehensive file about that outfit and the connections that outfit had to the Puffins.
Canadian’s right to bear arms is guaranteed in the BNA Act – as well as the right to OWN property – and allow the LEGAL practise of smoking and shooting gophers, ride in the back of the truck, ride a lawn mower without a helmet… on that property if it pleases the owner to do so….IMO it is time for a tax revolt in this country. People who pay taxes on property should refuse to pay until they are re-granted the right to own the property they are paying taxes for…the ‘Charter’ is PET’s ‘scrap of paper’ and the fool Canadians bought it as fast as the British bought Chamberlain’s ‘scrap of paper’ with Hitler’s signature of garenteed ‘non aggression’ toward GB.
ALL restrictions on the citizen’s freedoms are branches growing off the stem of the same nasty plant – Totalitarianism. People cannot cherry pick the freedom they personally support and go along with restrictions they do like – this is a parcel and must be opposed as such or it will NEVER have any impact.
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“manny claims… The cost of the registry since inception in ’95 is about $1 billion.”
geez, bobo… that’s not what pravda west says…
“Actually, the CBC’s total cost figure of $2 billion for the entire gun registry “file”
amounts to about $685,000 per day, which means they spent the entire initially
estimated budget of $2 million, again according to the CBC, every three days,
for eight years straight.”
hey, manny… know anybody with cancer?
how much medical research you figure you could you do… for 2 billion dollars?
and subsidies for agriculture? where do you figure food comes from… the steak
and potatoes factory?
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when they talk about the $2 Billion figure, they’re talking the all-in amount
If that’s whatthey mean, why don’t they say that? Because they want the slack-jawed yokels in the Conservative hallelujah chorus to believe that $2 billion has been expended thus far.
Besides, even if one accepts the $2 billion figure over 20-26 years, the cost of the freeloader farmer subsidy program over the same time period amounts to $100 to $130 billion. No matter which way you look at it, the cost of the gun registry is insignificant compared to the cost of the Freeloader Farmer Bob subsidy.
The Auditor General’s May 2006 report calculates the net cost at $946 million.
Food comes from the marketplace, neo. But then you right whingers don’t really believe in the free market, do you? Scratch a conservative, find a hypocrite.
…you right whingers don’t really believe in the free market, do you? Scratch a conservative, find a hypocrite.
-manny
Farm subsidies should be eliminated in the U.S. as well as Canada; no hypocrisy here, dude. But neither side wants to touch that, just like illegal immigration and social security reform.
But while you’re scratch-and-sniffing, consider in the U.S. that the greenie libs are shovelling mountains of cash for alternative fuels to save the planet from that ‘monster’ global warming.
So instead of allowing production of clean nuclear fuel, the libs enrich Archer Daniers Midland with billions of dollars in corporate welfare to grow corn to burn as ethanol.
The problem with this feel-good lib solution is that it requires about as much energy to produce the corn as the energy generated by the corn.
Government ‘solutions’ through higher taxation? Um … no thanks.
ADM has cost the American economy billions of dollars since 1980 and has indirectly cost Americans tens of billions of dollars in higher prices and higher taxes over that same period. At least 43 percent of ADM’s annual profits are from products heavily subsidized or protected by the American government. Moreover, every $1 of profits earned by ADM’s corn sweetener operation costs consumers $10, and every $1 of profits earned by its ethanol operation costs taxpayers $30. Cato Institute
The piece was totally dishonest & misleading.
You can tell what slant this “news” outlet wants you to walk away with, but it seems only the people who read these posts would know that.
Congratualtions Manny!!! You win the vaunted SDA prize for the most ignorant statement devoid of truth, reason or civility to be posted on the Canadian political net this year….pick up your prize of a life time supply of red herrings from the fine people at the duck gun registry and the CWB.
Putz!
I spoke to a Liberal strategist a about year after Day lost the federal election. He told me that the Liberals never had any misconceptions that the bill would prevent crime, or that citizens would even register their guns.
This bill was strictly political, it was used as a wedge issue to sway the votes of Torontards to the Liberals.
Liberal politics are about one thing and one thing only. Making sure control of the purse strings stay in central Canada.
The MP-5 is not “restricted” but “prohibited”, and even its semi-auto versions are prohibited
I got the chance to fire one of them there MP-5s (long barrel version – the “SWAT”/military version wasn’t for us plebes) at a sophisticated indoor range years ago and it was pretty sweet.