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These dogs are in for a rough life…to these 7th century atavists who are endemic to the area, a dog is the “devil” and must be shunned.
As I said many times there’s something fundamentally retarded about a country that hates dogs and doesn’t tilt a beer at a hockey game from time to time…something essentially creepy. 😉
The whole middle-east is creepy, if it weren’t for the wildlife, country-side and the environment I would advocate nuking them all from a remote location.
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It started, of course, with their prophet who made dogs haram. He claimed the archangel Gabriel told him angels wouldn’t go into a place with a dog present.
Says a lot about what kind of ‘angels’ Islam claims. Dogs sense evil and danger.
I recall one of the first tapes al Queda released after 911. It showed the testing of a chemical weapon on a Golden Retriever pup in an enclosed room. The tape was played on CNN. The pup died a horrible death. They picked their victim well for the American shock and horror response.
While he was not in the dire straits that these dogs face, my borther in law did sort of the same thing for one of the dogs that guarded the Polaris Mine on Little Cornwallis Island in the NWT.
The dogs were almost wild (used to keep Polar bears away from the site) and the mine was shutting down. He could stand to think of the dog left behind as the mine closed, so he paid to have the dog airlifted to Halifax from the high arctic.
Ya don’t want to know what that costs!
From Ms. Manji’s excellent book, The Trouble With Islam:
“I’ll use myself as an example. I grew up afraid of dogs because Islam taught me that dogs are dirty creatures. . . In the hadiths — the reports of Prophet Muhammad’s sayings and doings — nearly all mentions of black dogs appear alongside degrading references to women and Jews. . .
It comes off as crazy, doesn’t it? Yet the fallout is real. Listen to the experience of a UCLA professor, Khaled Abou El Fadl. He knows a Muslim convert who was instructed by a mullah to ditch his pet dog. This convert found that no matter where he left the dog, it would straggle back to his doorstep. The man asked his mullah what to do with the dog who refused to be abandoned.
Starve it, the mullah replied.
When El Fadl heard this merciless story, he was catapulted into rebellion. The Kuwaiti-born, Egyptian-trained scholar of Islamic law pored through original texts and early interpretations to find out if the mullah had any leg to stand on. And that’s when he discovered how dogs, women, and Jews have been scurrilously linked as lesser beings, not by Prophet Muhammad, who apparently thought highly enough of dogs to pray in their presence, but by later intellects. Like the construct of Sharia law, the vilification of dogs (and Jews and women) has been a choice. God didn’t choose it; a bunch of godfathers did. Plenty of us buy into parts of their system, but we don’t have to swallow any of it. El Fadl and his wife, Grace, have adopted three stray canines — one of them black.”
“…not by Prophet Muhammad, who apparently thought highly enough of dogs to pray in their presence”
Well, no.
From Muslim #5248
Maimuna reported that one morning Allah’s Messenger was silent with grief. Maimuna said: Allah’s Messenger, I find a change in your mood today. Allah’s Messenger said: Gabriel had promised me that he would meet me tonight, but he did not meet me. By Allah, he never broke his promises, and Allah’s Messenger spent the day in this sad mood. Then it occurred to him that there had been a puppy under their cot. He commanded and it was turned out. He then took some water in his hand and sprinkled it at that place. When it was evening Gabriel met him and he said to him: You promised me that you would meet me the previous night. He said: Yes, but we do not enter a house in which there is a dog or a picture. Then on that very morning he commanded the killing of the dogs until he announced that the dog kept for the orchards should also be killed, but he spared the dog meant for the protection of extensive fields or big gardens.
From Abu Dawud #2839
Abd Allah B. Mughaffal reported the apostle of Allah as saying: Were dogs not a species of creature I should command that they all be killed; but kill every pure black one.
From Muslim Number 3815:
Ibn Umar reported Allah’s Messenger as saying: He who keeps a dog other than that meant for watching the herd or for hunting loses every day out of his deeds equal to two qirat.
Just a couple of verses from the trilogy where El Fadl, the Islamic scholar, would find a whole lot more condemning dogs and dog ownership. But, I guess, I and most Muslims must have taken these verses out of context.
I and most Muslims must have taken these verses out of context.
No, you just give them too much weight. Most of the Hadith were written centuries after the death of Mohammed and usually to advance someone’s political agenda or defend questionable tribal practices. The core of the modern (and very necessary) Islamic reform revolves around throwing most of these out.
Malika Ayub:
“It is interesting to know that dogs are mentioned in the Quran 5 times, not just once, 7:176, 18:18, 18:22 (three times). NO WHERE are dogs called dirty animals or give any indication that they should be avoided or treated the way many Muslims think they should.
The people of the cave, 3, 5 or 7 were mentioned in the Quran and every time God insists on letting us know that their dog was there with them. Their story can be as complete without the mention of the dog, but God did, Why ?
God is telling us these righteous people were in the cave with their dog, if it is not righteous to have dogs, God would not have told us that story in which the dog has to be remembered as being there. We have to know the quality of God, if we were to worship Him correctly. When God says something He means it, and when he does not, he means it as much. If God did not curse the dog and call it all kinds of name, it is because God wants us to know that He created that beautiful creature and He expected us to make all use and companinonship with that animal that accompanied these righteous people of the cave.
Fabricated hadiths contradict the Quran. Many of them narrated by Abu Hurayra. Abu Hurayra, whose name is translated as “father of the little cat”, hated dogs and women and from his mouth came many hadiths that insulted women and cursed the dogs and make them undesirable animals that need to be avoided and in other hadiths killed.
These fabricted hadtihs were falsely attributed to the prophet Muhammed who cannot utter but the teachings of the Quran and would only be a living example of the Quran itself. The prophet Muhammed who lived by the Quran could not have done anything but agree with the Quran,not contradict it. God gave us a great criteria to judge His truth from the man-made fabrications;”
Belisarius,
I agree with you that much, if not all of the Hadiths and Sira were fabricated by warlords. The problem is, most of the Muslims don’t. The other more important problem is that the Quran, such as it is, cannot be properly understood in context without the other books. In fact, 3 of the 5 pillars are not mentioned in the Quran. They are taken from the Hadiths and Sira.
Perhaps the most important and contributing problem is the Quran, or Uthman’s Quran, itself. Which is the most widely distributed and recognized Quran. Uthman took what he wanted from the existing (in his day) and confusing 26 Qurans and created his own.
It is also said that the original Quran was handed down and written in Arabic, which is also impossible, since proto-Arabic, as a result of combining Syriac and Aramaic, didn’t appear for several centuries after Mohammad.
As well, it just doesn’t make any logical sense whatsoever. Allah refers to himself in the plural, “we”, on several occasions. How can this be, if there is only one? On top of that there are verses where Allah is praying for Mohammad. Praying to whom? The list of inconsistencies, historical inaccuracies and illogic goes on and on. Mohammad refers to himself as the “first Muslim.” And then he refers to Adam, Abraham and Moses as the first Muslim. He calls Jesus, Isa, which is Esau, not Yashua. And then he confuses Mary – Jesus’ mother, with Merriam – Moses’ sister.
One prominent scholar said of the Quran that every fifth verse is incomprehensible and that the Quran contains words which are indecipherable in any language, including Arabic.
Your history of Arabic isn’t quite accurate, ID. As a written language the earliest records date from the 4th century A.D., well before the rise of Islam.
You’re quite right that the Koran itself has plenty of problems, though. It’s origins are obscure and often contradictory. And the hadith, supposedly the words and deeds of Mohammed, date from 200-300 years after his death!
Ibn Warraq (author of “why I am not a Muslim”) has written and compiled some very interesting stuff on this subject. One of his books summarized here:
http://debate.org.uk/topics/books/origins-koran.html
Anyway, they need to treat their dogs better. They don’t have a legitimate religious justification for doing otherwise.
Your history of Arabic isn’t quite accurate, ID. As a written language the earliest records date from the 4th century A.D., well before the rise of Islam.
You’re quite right that the Koran itself has plenty of problems, though. It’s origins are obscure and often contradictory. And the hadith, supposedly the words and deeds of Mohammed, date from 200-300 years after his death!
Ibn Warraq (author of “why I am not a Muslim”) has written and compiled some very interesting stuff on this subject.
Anyway, they need to treat their dogs better. They don’t have a legitimate religious justification for doing otherwise.
Or killing infidels, for being infidels, either.
On the Arabic issue, you might want to check the project going on in Germany investigating some of the most ancient Islamic writings just recently found, the oldest of which are in Syriac and Aramaic.
Aparently, the 72 houris refers to white raisons.
What a mixup. Or, Gee-I-bin-had.
I imagine recruiting suicide bombers would prove more of a challenge when the payoff is a handful of raisins…