41 Replies to “Y2Kyoto: Postmarked Henhouse”

  1. The [hilarious] letter is from Christopher Leinonen in Toronto. I think he added a few letters to his last name, or changed it a round a bit. He’s surely offspring of Lenin, in spirit at least.

  2. But, if I understand the underlying theme, ie, that animals-cause-CO2, and if we eat less animals, then…there’ll be less CO2…doesn’t this imply that animals exist, only for us to eat them?
    What about all the animals that proliferate with utter indifference to their being on someone’s table? The caribou, the polar bears, the deer, the lions, the….What about the bison of long ago – were they the cause of a rise of CO2 because their herds were so large? And large, even though they weren’t raised to be eaten by Evil Men?
    And if there’s no CO2, won’t the plants be unhappy? Won’t the UN be unhappy? After all, the whole point of Kyotoism is to describe and fine industrial nations according to their CO2 index; the G77 nations, which include China and India are all exempt from this category.
    The Western nations are all described as CO2 Sinners and expected to hand over huge sums of money to the G77 nations so that they can build their very own polluting and emitting factories. I don’t think the UN would be pleased if we western nations reduced our CO2 emissions. Money talks.

  3. Quite right, ET, but the author may have been referring to methane emissions from cattle.

  4. Obviously the letter writer in in the final stages of dementia due to the brain worm infection which he contracted while grazing with Moose herds.
    Yes kids there IS a climate Grinch and the sky IS falling.
    ROTFLMAO!!!

  5. The original statements by Sir Deutero-Paul McCartney refer to carbon dioxide and nitrous oxide:

    “It generates 65% of human-related nitrous oxide, which has 296 times the Global Warming Potential (GWP) of CO2. Most of this comes from manure.”

  6. McCartney the letter writer and many many others are under some very large false understandings re: meat production:
    1. Much of the land used for cattle production is not suitable for human-edible crop production. therefore using it as part of the meat-production matrix is the most efficient.
    2. Fresh vegetables particularly in the winter months are extremely energy inefficient. I’m sure sir Paul doesn’t subsist on canned peas (they require lots of E to make BTW) and cabbage all winter but rather he eats lots of imported (by airfreight?) isreali lettuce and – horrors – hothouse cucumbers.
    3. the amount of product wastage for vegetables is, as many reading this can attest, is also very high. Not surprisingly this is never taken into account the AGW vegan crowd.

  7. Further to Gord Tulk’s comments, cattle efficiently utilize many by-products of human food production such as the fibrous wheat by-products from flour milling, the distillers grains and brewers grains by-products from alcohol and beer production, and the off-quality grains that are produced yet deemed unfit for human consumption. It would be interesting to know how much meat is produced from these by-products that might otherwise end up in a landfill somewhere.

  8. john is correct, and I would add new burgeoning feedstock for cattle, dairy and hogs – distillers grains – both wet and dry – a by-product from that green fuel – ethanol AND the canola mash from biodiesel production.
    The plant proposed for Innisfail, AB will consume 100000 bu/day of wheat for example and 640 tonnes of Canola, and that’s just one plant.
    I wonder if any of the AGW crowd has factored in the CH4 emissions that will result?

  9. HOWEVER notice how this story distracts from the the real issue which is NOT what contributes the most Co2 but that Co2 is not the culprit, nor are humans.
    Everytime you get sucked into a debate about Co2 impacts you are tacitly accepting its importance.

  11. Kevin Newman on Global National just said that global warming is causing the avalanches in the Rockies.
    Um – Kevin – I really think the idiots who are skiing and snow-mobiling out of bounds might have a little bit to do with it.
    Plus – they have had those avalanche canons situated in prime avalanche areas long before Al Gore and David Suzuki became prophets in the church of global warming.
    I really think that this “global warming” has turned a few brain cells to mush and made idiots out of normally intelligent people.

  12. “Reducing meat intake is indeed the best thing an individual can do to reduce their environmental footprint.”
    That settles it: time to fire up the barbie and throw a 20 oz porterhouse on it.

  13. I really like to eat 4 legged vegetarians. If the two legged type try and stop me from eating it they might find themselves on my plate instead. I am sure they will not be anywhere as tasty, however.

  15. “I am sure they will not be anywhere as tasty, however…”
    Stick to eating AGW-promoting clowns…They may not be tasty, but they will likely taste funny….

  16. Stop eating MEAT!??
    I didn’t climb all the way to the top of the food chain so I could eat rabbit food!

  17. Sad to see people in the media are so f…ing stupid. I raise cattle, cows hardly ever fart or belch whatever moron came up with that bullshit either was from Toronto or a Liberal/NDPeer. A bovine animal has 4 stomaches, that means limited farting and belching, they chew their cud, and fart a little when straining to get up sometimes. Maybe the morons that buy their food at the Safeway could do a little research before running to the Toronto Star, like they know diddly. In the cattle business we have the equivalent of most reporters, they are called sweet asses in the feedlot business, they disrupt the gaining process as most reporters do in the business world, and if they are not segregated they are ridden to death by the straight cattle. Yea nature is ugly but decicive ..unlike lieberals and moronic reporters.

  20. Alberta Girl….Kevin Newman is a raving lunatic when it comes to “global warming”. He often talks with Charles Adler (I think it is) and he is a dyed in the wool alarmist. Anything that comes out of his mouth or anything he is associated with should be immediately discounted given his incredible bias.
    By the way, I’ll bet the Kevin Newman and idiots like him are extremely happy that the vast herds of buffalo have long since vanished.
    Speaking of Paul McCartney, I spoke with his ex and she too is stumped.

  21. All of these recent comments by the MSM particulary the BrownStar and not too long ago, an article in the Lancet, about how vegetarianism will “save” the planet is further indiputable evidence of the connection between consuming tofu and cerebral necrosis.
    Obviously the editorial staff in the BrownStar, the Grope and Fail, and all broadcast news media are suffering from the effects.

  22. He’s a filmmaker! An art school graduate! A volunteer from Africa where he observes the people walk slow*! He is a heart on his sleeve caring new ager. That means he is overqualified to give his opinion on global warming. And, man, he’s been to Africa where it’s, you know, hot!
    * he rightly notes it is likely heat induced slow walking, but were a harper voting economics grad from Queens to make the same observation…RACIST!)

  24. Sorry to be off topic, but I just heard an outrageous response from Toby Lennox, Vice-President of Corporate Affairs at Pearson Int’l Airport on “As it Happens” CBC. This man is an idiot. Someone runs through security checkpoints and boards a plane and trys to commandeer it and Toby thinks they did a fine job because they DIDN’T tackle him in the main concourse of Pearson. Wouldn’t want to unnerve people, just want to give would be hijackers a bit of common courtesy ya know. AGH!

  25. So when we all become granola munching, limp wristed, non-fat latte slurping vegans who’s going to butcher all those cows to stop them from flatulating our ecologically sensible dietary choice into GHG oblivion.
    God; think of the bovines!!!

  26. There are lots of absurd aspects to the whole CO2/global warming/climate change issue, but what bothers me a lot is that the public dialogue on this does not seem to be changing. Today we had the round table announcements re a carbon tax and a foolish report about penguins no longer flocking to some island in Antarctica and that this is because of global warming. (I thought ice was building in the Antartica.) I am seeing links to very interesting factual information and commentary (such as http://en.rian.ru/analysis/20080103/94768732.html)which counter the AGW scare, which seem to be credible and which contain important information on this topic — but these things are not being picked up by the mainstream media. Many years ago a friend of mine was researching “the popularlization of science” and when he explained what it was it had to do this ideas getting out there and even as the validity of those ideas changed the general public did not change its thinking. In this case, I think the media has an important role to play, but I don’t see most attempting to provide objective analysis of the topic — only focussing on the political controversy aspects of it. This is irresponsible, I think, but the reality is people will not soon be changing their minds about the need to address to the “the sky is falling” version of the global warming issue — real or not. It’s a fascinating study in human psychology — and also very depressing. (As that one guy in Bali commented, “It’s as though the Enlightenment never happened.”

  27. Previous commentor, Charles MacDonald, mentioned Herr Doktor Paul McCartney informing us that Nitrous Oxide is 296 times worse than C02.
    Solution? Carbon credits for drag racing.

  29. It takes 2 pounds of grain to make a pound of Chicken, 5 pounds of grain to make a pound of Pork and 7 pounds of grain to make a pound of beef.
    The new middle class of Chinese at ????? billions, want protein rather than grain, just like us they want to eat meat.
    And here we are taking our grain to make essentially Whiskey to make Ethanol so we can burn it in in our cars. Now does that make sense.
    Here’s a prediction in 5 years, Global warming will be a thing of the past,( sun Spots etc..) food production, and the cost of food ie… grains will be the issue, and the public may finally wake up and wonder why, (today 20%) of the USA corn is going to Ethanol production and this demand will grow, thanks to Gore and Suzuki,
    A light point on this is that the price for grain will rise (basic supply and demand) so called clean energy versus food, and this will be good for the Saskatchewan farmer. Prices will rise to unprecedented levels. We are seeing them today….
    However because of the competition for grain it will ultimately mean that more people will starve in the world because the cost of grains will be unreachable.
    Horray for the IPCC for creating this…. Most Liberals and Socialists will be unable to see the connect to this.
    Hey, but good for me and all Saskatchewan farmers….. I’m all for that…I’m finally getting to my payday….
    Go Suzuki,, Go Gore…. keep on going I’ll be able to retire by the time i am 45…. in a tropical country of my choice…Keep grain prices up…..
    Gore an Suzuki have duped the MSM and all Liberal leaning people making us feel guilty of our affluenze, and rather than trying to bring other nations to our level they want to lower ours to theirs.
    But as a true capitalists Gore and Suzuki saw an opportunity to make money and I can’t blame them.
    I would to, if it would mean that I would have the money like them to live with no environmental constraints and buy hot air credits like them.
    And by the way when they sell the Co2 credits they get a percentage commission just like a real estate agent.
    Now there’s a scam., Create panic on Global warming thru the MSM and then cash in by sellnng CO2 credits..
    I wish that I would of thought of that…

  30. On cbc newsworld this a.m.,they had the weather alarmist woman on (not Colleen,some other twit)..I happened to stop,and stare at the screen as she was delivering the dire,so serious updates.There,in HUGE BOLD LETTERS across the map of Canada..were emblazoned the words…WHY IS IT SO WARM?Sublety,the strongpoint of the mothercorp indeed.Bit OT here,but is the cbc so hard up for guests,they are interviewing their own.On the hour tonite,the brilliant(not) george interviews Mansbridge.

  31. i love going to parties where there are lots of vegetarians ….quite simply it means more meat for me.

  32. The solution is simple. Why not just genetically modify corn so that it tastes just like beef? Whoops…I forgot, they’re against GM foods. Funny how that works – they accept science when it says global warming is occurring, but reject science when it says GM food is safe.

  33. RL,
    The Energy Bill that was signed into law by Bush late last year limits the amount of ethanol that can be produced from corn. This will force the creation of new cellulosic ethanol technologies which is much more efficient in terms of ethanol creation. Almost all of the 7 billion or so gallons of ethanol produced today in the US is from corn. Corn cannot exceed 40% of ethanol by 2022 (ie. of the 36 billion gallon goal only about 15 billion gallons can come from corn.). This will help offset the cost incurred by corn ethanol producers over the last few years – and the cost of the new corn ethanol plants coming on line this year.
    (Most people don’t realize that if Henry Ford had been able to out lobby big oil in the ’20’s – all cars would be running on ethanol today – and we wouldn’t have the problems with energy efficiency and energy security that we face today.)
    Another interesting point is that the NAFTA agreement to remove Mexican tariffs on corn came into effect on Jan. 1. There were large protests and blockages of traffic at the El Paso border because now Mexicans can get cheap corn from the US. Contrast this with about a year ago when, alarmists in Britain were showing images of Mexican protests because the price of US corn had gone up due to ethanol and it was impacting the cost of food in Mexico.

  34. Bovine annual enviro fee $5, subject to future adjustment by inspector findings as to type of cattle feeds.
    Carbon Tax is far too narrow a term as made clear by many comments here, an actual misnomer.
    Eviro-Tax is more correct and the functioning model is already in place and working well.
    When one buys paint or an auto battery a enviro-tax is collected.
    Products made in China would be a good place to start. Say $3.00 surcharge on every pair of non-breathing footware.
    $1000 on each non-TDI unclean diesel tractor sold.
    20 cents on each liter of home heating oil sold.
    Enviro-tax just as on same sized gas vehicles but discounted by $1500 for battery, compressed-air and hydrogen fueled vehicles.
    Start with an enviro-tax tag on every product from China and off shore first though. = TG

  35. “Why is it so warm?”
    So I could plant the fall bulbs that I got on clearance in in the fall but couldn’t plant then because it got TOO COLD TOO QUICKLY.
    Cleared 2 feet of snow, found the soft soil.
    They are in, covered and ready to bloom in a few months.
    In Northern Ontario
    In January
    I’m not making this up.
    and I’m liking it!

  37. In the immortal words of the unsung Texs cattleman:
    “Vegetable ain’t food. Vegetables is what food eats”.
    Words to live by.

  38. So if I am to follow these alarmists’logic all the way through,I am actually helping to save the environment by clubbing a baby seal.
    Neat.

  39. Gus, your question,
    **I wonder how much CO2 is produced by fermenting the grains to make ethanol?**
    Too much. An impractical make work project for farmers, and it is stop-gap temporary.
    Equipment to sow, harvest and truck the crop all runs on gas and diesel.
    Efficiency could improve if the equipment used E-fuels but the cost of conversion is impossible.
    E-fuels run hotter and require tougher valves and valve seats. Engine makers could make new equipment *duel-fuel* motors for about $100 added cost.
    Even so, it will be years before the diesel farm equipment and trucks are up-graded.= TG

  40. Kevin Newman said WHAT? Global warming was causing the Avalanches?
    Looks like he’s caught the wild and out of control GW disease going through the airwaves, it’s down to osmosis by now.
    Sorry to have missed George Snuffloffagus interviewing fellow employee Petey Mansbridge on CBC last night!

  41. Hey here in NORTHERN CALIFORNIA were getting lots of snow so WHERES AL GORE and all his HOT AIR why are we not having a big heat wave like their telling kids in these fruadilent text books

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