Guilty of 6 counts of second-degree murder.
Keep discussion and links on topic, please. (And thanks for the heads up on my spelling error.)
Guilty of 6 counts of second-degree murder.
Keep discussion and links on topic, please. (And thanks for the heads up on my spelling error.)
Just Playing the devils advocate. As it was mostly DNA, what happens if 1 of the 6 shows up alive and kicking? Do they throw out 1 conviction or because they were all run together do they have to throw all and start over?
Considering most of the DNA was collected from bone chips she’d have to show sans a limb, I think.
“The murder rate in Canada has gone from 3 per 100,000 people in 1976 when the death penalty was abolished to 2 per 100,000 people in 2006. Clear enough for you?”
Yea, and the rate of murder in convents is 0. So what. The number of murders rose.That is what matters. F’n liberals want to spew these stats to support their milque toast attitude and policies.
Bring back the death penalty.
Horny Toad
Good to know that the sentencing in any subsequent trial for the other victims will mean nothing. Volume discount – the Canadian way. Not sure why the Harper gov’t won’t change the law, eliminating concurrent sentencing. Can’t see the opposition standing in the way. How can they justify it? I’m an opponent of the death penalty, but I don’t understand how anyone can oppose a “life sentence” for anyone convicted of first degree murder … I know it’s second degree in the case here. But if life actually meant life, what political party could oppose that? Tthat ëveryone” deserves a second chance, even though the victim has none? Kinda hard to blame Trudeau now. Like the GST, it’s no longer the Mmulroney tax when the party elected to replace him campaigns to get rid of it and breaks their promise to do so. Harper has to act on this one – minority gov’t aside.
Syncro and Rat. How do you know for sure that the DNA came from body parts, and what did they compare it to to be so definately sure?
It’s mentioned above, but I would like to drive it home even more.
In the eyes of the justice system, Latimer = Pickton.
Pretty undeniable proof that it is broken.
errrr…Tony, aren’t you forgetting the two severed heads in the freezer? Pretty safe bet they’re not going to surface alive and kicking….
‘Murder’ is homicide but homicide is NOT necessarily ‘murder’. All things considered, I’d far rather Picton was found Guilty of 6 counts of 2nd degree murder than acquitted on 1st degree!
The less chances for appeal the sooner this will all be resolved. (sorry this following section is so long but there’s a lot of interesting stuff in there…:
http://laws.justice.gc.ca/en/showdoc/cs/c-46/bo-ga:l_VIII//en#anchorbo-ga:l_VIII
[remainder deleted – this is a comments thread, not a law text – ED]
Second degree means a minimum of 10 years before parole eligibility. AFAIK, Picton has been sitting in jail for almost 6 years.
Does he get 2-for-1 credit for those years, meaning he was eligible a year ago, or does it only apply to non-murder charges?
Give him the Olsen treatment. 23 hrs a day alone in protective custody , 1 hr alone in the exercise yard. Repeat for the rest of Picton’s days. Mr. Olsen finds it quite difficult, I’m sure Bob will too.
They will never let this guy go and death is too easy an out.
Gee DaninVan:
Thanks for using up God knows how much of Kate’s bandwith to inform us of what most of us already know.
Geeezzz
He will get the olsen ‘treatment’ for the rest of his days, although it seems that pickton’s mental capacity is significantly less than olsen’s and therefore it may be more tolerable for him, sadly.
2. As for the murder rate, a key factor is age demographics – young adults commit most of the murders and there are far fewer of them as a percentage of the pop today than in ’76 which is probably very near the peak.
Murders are very rare regardless of the era and there are many causes/deterrents. It could be argued that Canada is too small and too diffuse a populace to generate statistically strong data proving or disproving the deterrance value of cap punishment.
a link to an address regarding what is in the criminal code would have been far more helpful…
holy crap, what a waste of width.
perhaps you’d like to reprint the liberal party’s red book too?
on the issue of Picton vs Olsen, neither of these will be out anytime soon. Maybe they’ll be in the news again for a parole hearing, but that’s as close as they’ll get…
Unlike Olsen, I think it’s unfortunate that Picton is too stupid to remember all the names of people he hacked up to provide “some sense of what happened” to the families he has left injured.
I’m not speaking from experence, but I think it’s better to know these truths, than to never be certain of where these people ended up.
Tony
Random DNA? Skin cells, heads, hands and the likes.
My original post here speaks to the reality of all this, the surreality appears to be your domain.
Syncro
I posted this comment on another thread at 4:28:
Did Picton get second-degree murder only because they weren’t sure who ground the bodies into mincemeat?
Second-degree murder doesn’t seem right somehow.
Picton should be put away not only for a long time. He should be put away forever, and made to do some meaningful work to, in some tiny sliver of a way, give back to society/the families what’s been lost.
The man is obviously depraved almost beyond imagination. The Cohen brothers gave us one body put through a wood chipper in Fargo, but that was a movie.
1st degree murder is touch to prove. It is particularly hard to prove where there is a possibility of other peoples’ involvement. A good deal of the defence’s case was an attempt to spread the range of people who might have been involved in one or more of the murders. this was certainly smart lawyering, and, realistically, it might actually be true. Over and above the 20 other victims trials I am not sure we have heard the last about these horrible murders.
Take what you can get rather than complaining it should have been more.How many here actually know the law and know how to get a conviction of a capital offence???
He will die in prison.
Shamrock: “I can’t see any way Picton ever gets released; he is the poster boy for dangerous offenders, supplanting Paul Bernardo.”
I want to state this carefully. These women were all prostitutes. I’m not saying that their lives were worth less than others, but I will say that they must have had some idea of the dangers of their profession. (That prostitution is legal in Canada, but it’s virtually impossible for women to practice it with any degree of safety is just another example of the blatant hypocrisy in our legal system.)
Bernardo’s victims, on the other hand, were all innocent teenage girls, including his girlfriend’s younger sister. As disgusting as killing adult sex workers is, I have to say that raping, sodomizing, and killing 14 and 15-year old teenage girls is worse.
Howie Meeker – “How many here actually know the law and know how to get a conviction of capital Offence?” We probably know as much about the law as you know about hockey. Nough said.
Howie Meeker:”How many here actually know the law and know how to get a conviction of a capital offence???”
Well … some of us actually know what “capital offence” means … and that we don’t have any “capital offences” in Canada.
One advantage of warehousing him in jail: when he finally realizes that he has nothing left to lose, he may reveal the names of his helpers [if any]. Until the publication ban is lifted, and we hear what the jury did not, we are not fully informed. For thos still with an appetite for more of this gruesome story, the prosecution has another 20 murders to deal with soon. Maybe even more victims later.
IMO he should be hung…TWICE… with a dirty rope!!
How many lawyers will become multi millionaires because of this swine? They will pump this case and keep it going for many years!
Psst, Kate… it’s Pickton, with a k.
How long was it before Olsons parole hearing 16 yrs?
He should be hung to avoid encouraging others. Our murder rate is a lot higher now than when we last used the death penalty in 1962.
Money on another trial is a waste unless its to see if someone else was guilty.
Money to incarcerate him is a waste.
Now all the victims can have to put up with sanctimonious MSM types whining about his food like they did with Olson.
Ecclesiastes says there is a time to kill.
It’s Picktons time to be killed. Oh wait better one or 2 hundred innocent people are murdered on the street than 1 innocent man be hanged.
It seems like “they” seem to think that there can be no imposition of “consecutive” sentences and that somehow the six convictions only warrant concurrent sentencing.
Why even spend the multi-millions of dollars to prove the six charges if all that is going to come from this is concurrent sentencing – i.e. in effect, only sentencing for one conviction.
Time to re-visit this and not preclude the use of consecutive sentencing – and put it through the supreme courts, one way or the other. In fact it is time to re-visit the whole question of crown prosecutors, pretrial deal making (plea bargaining), and all of the time-off credits for pre-trial incarceration/virtual auto cutback of sentences to half.
Regarding the “murder rate”. If you go back to when the death penalty was in full force (prior to 1963), you will find the murder rate was around 1.25 per 100,000. The averate rate in the past 20 years is around 2.25 (currently it is around 2). That is a huge increase! Couple that with other comments made, like change in demographics, better paramedic care excetera, it becomes much worst yet.
“Psst, Kate… it’s Pickton, with a k.”
That’s just my sneaky way of drawing google hits from lousy spellers… (thanks)
Will he be given credit for the time already served? He has served 5 years so that could mean he would get a credit of 10 years towards his sentence.
To Ernest and others who say the murder rate has fallen since the mid 70’s, you’re not considering the role medicine plays in that. Simply, people who are stabbed or shot today have a far, far higher likelihood of survival than they did 30 years ago.
Given that, the question should be, how many are shot or stabbed today versus the 70’s. Sorry to burst your bubble Ernest, but Canada is not a less violent place today, just one in which you’re far more likely to be successfully patched up and sent on your way.
maggie,
I asked about that upthread. Apparently the twofer only applies to definite sentences, say 5 years for theft, rather than the indefinite life sentence. The length of parole eligibility isn’t a factor.
So whatever Pickton gets between 10 and 25 for eligibility, it won’t change no matter how long he spent in custody.
Some of my ancestors had devised a great invention for the contol of murderers, child molesters and other “incorrigibles.” It was known as the Guillotine.
It worked really well. They say the inventor let it get his head, although I’m not aware of that.
I’m told that the mere sight of the blade actually caused most prisoners to pass out before the final “thhhhhwuck” served justice and brought back “Liberté, Egualité, et Fraternité,”
I fear greatly that Pickton will be released after presenting to a piteous parole board a record of 10 years of good behaviour, showing signs of remorse (regardless of how disingenuous), and age (he’s 58 years old now).
I fear this because he will then have an opportunity to again set out to achieve his 50.
We must be vigilant that he does not ever see the free light of day. Question: Is there a mass murderer (2+ murders) clause in the Canadian criminal code and if not, why the hell not?