Guilty of 6 counts of second-degree murder.
Keep discussion and links on topic, please. (And thanks for the heads up on my spelling error.)
Guilty of 6 counts of second-degree murder.
Keep discussion and links on topic, please. (And thanks for the heads up on my spelling error.)
Too bad we’re all going to end up paying for this murderers “right” to draw breath and waste space.
Okies.I’ll stick this up from reader tips..:)
It will be a fair sentence if he is sentenced to life(which we know means 25yrs/15 under faint hope clause)BUT to be served CONSECUTIVELY,not CONCURRENTLY.Again this is where the Lieberals sucked us in.When we agreed to get rid of the death sentence,they guareenteed us life would mean LIFE.Why do we keep falling for the crap out of these lyibg scum’s mouths?
Jury coming back in with their sentencing recommendations within the hour.
Options: a) life with no parole
b) 25 years
c) 10 years
d) no recommendation,leaving it up to Lieberal hug-a-thug judgie-poo.
I still want to see CONCURRENT sentences brought back into this excuse of a so-called justice system we have!
Actually, we did not agree to removal of the death sentence, the Trudeau government imposed their limp wristed weakness on Canadian society.
Anyone think this judge will move to have “Willy the Pigman” declared a dangerous offender?
I cannot imagine, that in 10, 25, or whatever number of years the national parole board deems sufficient, that he will walk free from any prison and re-enter our society.
Sentencing someone to hundreds of years in prison, just doesn’t do justice to the victums.
I’m thinking that capital punishment needs to be in place for certain crimes, and that this is one (or some?) of those crimes.
also, doesn’t it show “first degree” murder and not “second degree” murder, when you remark that you were looking at making this an even 50?
Re: death sentence abolition under Trudeau government, close vote in the HoC, free vote, etc.
What about putting that question to the people in the form of a referendum?
Should the taxpayers have to foot the bill for someone like Pickton to be kept incarcerated for years?
I’m just sitting here thinking I’d like 1% of what all those lawyers, cops and assorted government factotums got paid for FINALLY convicting a guy with six (6) corpses buried on his property.
I’d be stinking rich! Awesome!
As to Pigman’s sentence, I’d say six murders, six months. To be served where they keep the hookers locked up. General population.
Hey, it worked with Jeffrey Dahmer…
Now that there are guilty verdicts to murder charges, he’ll never leave prison. There’s the possibility of the crown appealing, but that’s probably unlikely. This probably does mean the other charges the crown has will go forward, and hopefully when its all said and done, there’ll be more convictions and a slam-dunk dangerous offender designation.
I think the “Pigman” should have to serve his time with the general population of the Stony Mountain Prison near Winnipeg.
Think he’d last long? Doubt it.
I don’t think turning this into a discussion about the death penalty is very productive. Mainly because he wasn’t found guilty of 1st degree murder so even if it hadn’t been abolished it wouldn’t be a factor in Pickton’s sentence. Also, while I hate Trudeau as much as the next guy, it was actually Lester B. Pearson who de facto abolished the death penalty in 1963 by making it a government policy to commute all death sentences. The actual 1976 abolishion of it under Trudeau was more of a formality.
The only sentence that won’t be seen as a travesty of justice in this case is 25 years per count to be served consecutively. Pickton should die in jail.
Disgusting! How could his actions not be first degree murder?
I also don’t think it’s productive to continue calling him a “pig man”. The constant reference to his “pig farm” by media bothers me in the same way – as though his occupation was somehow connected to his revolting lifestyle.
Real pig farms operate nothing like the Picton place.
He will never leave prison, even if the sentences are served concurrently (which they certainly will be). He is the definition of a dangerous offender.
I can’t see any way Picton ever gets released; he is the poster boy for dangerous offenders, supplanting Paul Bernardo.
Reid and Kate, agreed on both points.
Now, what do you think of the judges orders to the jury?
Seems like the chance of a first degree murder conviction was exceedingly remote, if not possible at all.
I have to agree with Kate. Pig farming is a good and noble profession. The only ones that relate pigs to something disgusting and vile are the urban hippies that don’t know where their bacon comes from.
Pickton’s occupation has nothing to do with his
maniacal obsession with women and murder.
Strange verdict. If the verdict is guilty, you would expect that the murders would be considered premeditated. If someone else planned it all, who could that possibly be? And how could there be serial killings if the murders were not premeditated?
“However, Judge Williams continued, if jurors concluded that Mr. Pickton was “merely present” at the murders or “took a minor role” in them, that was not sufficient prove of his guilt.
The judge also suggested that if jurors found, for instance, that Mr. Pickton did not fire the gun that killed one of the victims, Sereena Abotsway, he must be acquitted.”
And rattfuc, I know where my bacon comes from, my hogs.
If there was only one person murdered by this PIG maybe you could see second degree but convicted of six with 20 plus more on the books, must be first degree.
Said on the radio a few minutes ago depending on the sentance he could be eligable for parole in ten years. Where is the justice? Robert Latimar got about the same, go figure.
The murder rate in Canada has fallen since the removal of the death penalty. It will be interesting to see what happens with the remainder of the cases.
A serial killer charged with first degree murder but convicted of second degree murder, what’s wrong with that jury? Too squeamish or dumb to process that serial killing is premeditated. Tony Soprano wouldn’t have expended as much mental energy or paid as much attention to detail as this creep.
The victim’s families ought to be outraged.
Too bad trials for creeps like him can’t be outsourced to Texas.
“The murder rate in Canada has fallen since the removal of the death penalty. It will be interesting to see what happens with the remainder of the cases.
Posted by: Ernest Payne at December 9, 2007 4:28 PM ”
So explain this to me Ernest:
Homicides in Canada
2002-582
2003-549
2004-624
2005-663
2006-605
http://www40.statcan.ca/l01/cst01/legal12a.htm
The jury has said they cannot set a parole time,so it goes back to court Tuesday at 9:30 for pre-sentencing,victim’s impact stories,etc.
Chikens**ts. It should be a no brainer.
Should be no parole eligibility for 25 years, plenty of time to confer dangerous offender status on this pitiful excuse of a human being.
There should be no parole eligibility for 25 years, plenty of time to confer dangerous offender status on this pitiful excuse of a human being.
In the first place, I’d like to see the jury’s rationale for not convicting him of first-degree murder. According to the code, first-degree murder is all murder that is planned and deliberate OR which takes place in furtherance of certain proscribed offenses, amongst which are sexual assault and kidnapping/forcible confinement. Given that the Crown’s version of events was that he deliberately lured the victims before murdering them and given the large number of victims themselves, I find it hard to believe that this was a case where a second-degree conviction is justified. It’s possible that Pickton is of the disorganized serial killer subtype, in which case he crimes would have had an element of opportunism to them, but luring automatically elevates a murder to first degree.
With respect to what Justthinkin said, while I am in favor of the death penalty for certain offenses (I rather like New York State’s statute, where felony murder can result in death and so can killings of peace officers or public magistrates), what the other poster was talking about was the murder rate, not the absolute numbers of murders committed. You have to take those absolute numbers you cited and convert them to per 100k population figures to get the homicide rate. Making a hard statistical argument for deterrence based on the death penalty is incredibly difficult; much better to make a soft philosophical argument in favor of it, ie. (‘we should take the stance that certain crimes deserve the ultimate punishment.’)
Justthinkin, perhaps it is a damn good thing that the aforementioned chickens**ts are not in charge of sentencing in any form. If they were, I think that Picton may be out on day passes in time to do a little Christmas shopping. – For his defence team and the jury.
I’m sure the jury just wanted to ‘get on with it’ if you know what I mean.
Guilty of second degree is a travesty. FIRST DEGREE only. Thank God none of the jurors lives next door.
CRB
Looks like I forgot to close a tag.
kate
“”””I also don’t think it’s productive to continue calling him a “pig man”””””””
and yet you saying nothing of WLMc redux and his constant MISS use of the term dyslexia, should I be offended by your silence???????
Sorry — can’t post what I think. Have a wonderful day!
Really though folks…God will take care of him — we don’t have to 🙂
I expect much of the jury deliberation was whether it was 1st degree or 2nd degree. The 1st degreeers probably acquiesced. It will still be prison for a long time.
The murder rate in Canada has gone from 3 per 100,000 people in 1976 when the death penalty was abolished to 2 per 100,000 people in 2006. Clear enough for you?
Well I was right about part of this. I said that the trial would be a comedy of errors and it has been from start to finish. I’m more surprised that there was even a guilty verdict at all. I mean the satanists that Picton served should have gotten him off but then again maybe they have worn him down. What kind of charge is 6 counts of second degree though? I mean the first time he did this, means that each subsequent time he ‘knew what he was doing and had intent.’ He got off easy. I don’t expect the ‘controllers’ will allow him to live long in prison though. He will be finished off there so that he can’t squeel.
Justinthinkin’ wrote:
“The murder rate in Canada has fallen since the removal of the death penalty. It will be interesting to see what happens with the remainder of the cases.
Posted by: Ernest Payne at December 9, 2007 4:28 PM ”
So explain this to me Ernest:
Homicides in Canada
2002-582
2003-549
2004-624
2005-663
2006-605
http://www40.statcan.ca/l01/cst01/legal12a.htm
Your argument is pretty easy to debunk. For one, your data starts in 2002, but the death penalty was officially removed in the 70s, way before this. Secondly total number of murders is not the same as a murder rate because you have to factor in population increases.
http://teapot.usask.ca/cdn-firearms/Gimbarzevsky/can.hom.ratetot.GIF
The top line (circles) represent the murder rate. As you can see it only goes to `95 but is trending down.
Although the homicide rate in Canada has gone up in the last few years, it is still far below its peak in the mid-1970s of 3.03 homicides per 100,000 population. The 2005 homicide rate in Canada was 2.04 homicides per 100,000 population.
my post above is poorly separated, my position begins at “Your argument…”, in the middle of the post roughly.
“should I be offended by your silence???????”
No. You should assume I don’t follow the comments threads that closely.
Stastics regarding the murder rate in Canada are meaningless. If you committ murder, you should get executed. End of story.
Apparently the Stephen Truscott case has been lost on ratt.
I believe in the death penalty for cases like this. Multiple murders and iron clad evidence. Why would anyone want him back on the streets in 15 years.
So how much has the population increased since 1976 to 2006? You add 10 million people,it’s pretty hard for the RATE NOT to go down.That’s not my point.The NUMBER of murders is going up,and will continue to do so IMHO.
Just Playing the devils advocate. As it was mostly DNA, what happens if 1 of the 6 shows up alive and kicking? Do they throw out 1 conviction or because they were all run together do they have to throw all and start over?
Interesting to compare the Colin Thatcher first-degree murder case and his hard sentence, with this proven serial killer and this silly a$$ second-degree murder conviction.
Who ever said there is no politics in the Liberal legal system playground?
Tony W
I believe the prosecution chose these six cases based on DNA obtained from tissue. The other victims were identified by DNA obtained from bone chips.
The horror involved in this case makes your question at best ill informed.
Syncro
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“ernest claims… The murder rate in Canada has fallen
since the removal of the death penalty”
not quite true, ernie… the skill of advanced care paramedics
and establishment of trauma centers has simply saved
more of the people who were targets.
talk to your neighbourhood cop.
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I believe that the judge should have set aside the jury’s verdict of guilty, second degree and instead entered a verdict of guilty, first degree. I’m not a lawyer but I believe that the judge has the power to set aside a verdict when that verdict is not in keeping with facts of the case. An option for the jury was to aquit Picton however in finding him guilty the only logical call was first degree. In order for them to find him guilty of only second degree they had to find that in each case it was unpremeditated. Six different times he murdered in the same manner and in each case it was “spontaneous” as in “I couldn’t help myself – it was a crime of passion”? Purely outrageous and the trial judge should right this injustice.
Second degree is a stupid decisiom. If he is guilty, it is of 1st degree murder. Hang the bastard- I don’t see why I should have to support him for the term of his natural life,
It is a fact that none of the executed convicted murders in Texas has re-offended.
Unless I be branded a heartless neo con, I would normally reserve the needle for the clear cut and obvious convictions. Truscott case was not a solid conviction IMHO. As the justice system is run my humans and humans can be fallible, there is always a case of a mistake being made (ask OJ) but overall, if there is a smoking gun there should be a smoking chair.
The depth and breadth of the depravity involved here is beyond description.
The fact that a second degree murder conviction was the order of the day (incidentally the same as Robert Latimer) speaks to the deeply rooted flaws within our judicial system and I would dare say our society as a whole.
The Picton and Latimer cases are the opposite sides of the same coin.
In the case of Latimer the law allowed no affective context for the facts.
In the Picton context the lack of undeniable facts (smoking gun vis a vis eyewitness testimony of the actual murders) are substituted with an affective solution.
How typically Canadian. We are nothing more than a compromise of conflicting ideologies that serve no agenda, with no purpose, that results in no integrity in our outcomes.
Today I am more ashamed of my Country than I have ever been. I really doubt it’s going to get much better real soon.
Syncro
(cross posted at Halls)