“When will it be time to stop showing respect for Islam?”
91 Replies to “Cultural Sensitivity Be Damned”
He was doing great there until he decided to tee off on the Americans. How anyone can make a valid comparison between Islamofacists and religion in America is beyond me and sadly he seriously dilutes what was a very powerful message.
“As welcome as a melonoma”
Kinda sums it up.
Bob,he did’nt tee off on Americans he took a shot at religion.
And i agree with him.
I agree with everything he says in this rant, but if you go to his website, the rest of his world view appears to consider America equally bad as militant Islam. That loses credibility for me. Christopher Hitchens does it better.
This guy is a LIBERAL who finally woke up and smelled the Sharia.
He’s half way to having a clue. He’ll have covered the other half when he admits all religions are not created equal.
These guys make me laugh, frankly. They rave on about how bad religion is, but their entire moral envelope is encompassed by Christianity.
I think this guy is right on! I live in the USA and am perplexed why Canadians put up with this Islamic attitude (their behaviors are BS). Don’t get me wrong — I love Canadians and wish them to always excel away from oppression and respect others’ religions — although… you are being “violated every day” from the behaviors of Islamist’s — WAKE UP CANADA !! and Please provide an example for the USA — YOU guy and gals are GREAT (and ALWAYS have been) !!! Best regards, Orlin from Marquette, Michigan USA
It didn’t seem to me that he was teeing off on America. And if he is a liberal then good, the alarm clock has to go off sometime.
Good video. Spot on. Who is he?
randall g… could you link his website? Not that I’m an American basher (quite the opposite, in fact) but would like to see what makes him tick. Thanks.
Gotta agree with him regarding how lily-livered Europeans have become.
Nice points.
Unfortunately, he draws incorrect conclusions when he goes off on “all religions”.
Every single aspect of civilization that he hopes to preserve from burgeoning Islamism and creeping sharia, exists only due to the past and on-going influences of Christian faith. This man’s own parents and grandparents, not so long ago, lived in a time when public expressions of Christian faith were accepted and acknowledged as having an overwhelmingly positive impact on social life, public decency and personal freedom. For those who don’t like that fact, it is simply history that less than two generations ago western civilization and culture without the influence of Christianity, (whether or not you were a believer) was unthinkable.
Those who think they can preserve the greatness of European and North American culture while dismantling its foundation are living in a fool’s paradise, and only hastening the ultimate victory of Islamic fundamentalism.
Orlin, you’ve just visited one of the Canadian websites whose adherents have awakened to the danger a long time ago, or were NEVER indifferent to the problem of Islamofacism to begin with.
Time to get rid of the “Thou shalt not kill” crap and leave Justice to the morally superior Humans that can mete it out far better than the Judges and Prisons.
Who the hell came up with this rule that Murder was wrong and made it Illegal, we kill babies don’t we?
Murder is merely retro-active Abortion where we made a mistake to not kill them before they were allowed to be born.
Wake-up people , embrace the 1-World Government proposed by Maurice Strong and the Liberals in canada, time to ban religion and worship the U.N. and a Global leader.
Well said, Rudy. Kind of like denying the existence of , what , hundreds of great European Christian cathedrals built over the span of many centuries.
I hope the politicos in Europe and here soon figure out they got a problem when they gave in to all extremist demands. Here in Ontario I know they do not have a clue of what they are doing by what our fearless Premier McGuinty did after he was elected. He actually considered putting into effect Sharia law for our Muslim friends and neighbours. Nice guy.
Just watched an hour-long interview of Cliff Chadderton on CPAC. He was reminiscing about his tour of battle for 4 months in 1944, up until he was wounded.
Nothing will EVER take away from what this Iron Man, and Men like him, did to liberate Belgium, France, The Netherlands, in the 1940s. Europeans would do well to remember that sometimes you have to fight, and maybe even die, for what’s right.
His name is Pat Condell and his website is: http://youtube.com/user/patcondell
…he’s been posting rants like this for months…
got into a fun little spat with Berkeley University a little while ago…
they accused him of hate speech so he posted another
video telling them to stuff it.
hmmmm. the beginning of the 2nd muslim invasion of europe is upon us? time will tell.
anyways, on a personal scale:
scene: closest bus stop
time: early afternoon today
a muslim woman in headgear is waiting for the slow arriving sunday bus, I conclude she is a captive audience.
“eh, yous muslims consider dogs ‘unclean’? watch this!
whereupon self plants a big fat smooch right on the mouth of my spayed shepard mix.
LOL !!!
I guess that made me ‘unclean’ for some indeterminate time. oh, and the bacteria question? not! she’s probably had her tongue on every plate, bowl and spoon in the place in the year and a half she’s been scarfing down leftovers, so the ‘exchange’ has long since happened.
LOL !!!
Roger: “Time to get rid of the “Thou shalt not kill” crap and leave Justice to the morally superior Humans…”
You’ve got an imam in mind for the next supreme court chief justice?
From Pat Condell’s site: And I don’t have much of a formal education – which is good, because it means I can actually read and write. But it also means I don’t have a great deal of what you might call actual knowledge.
He’s right about the last part, certainly.
Farmer Bill: Here in Ontario, the CONSERVATIVE party has proposed to pay for ALL faith based schools. Who do you think will benefit the most out of this. Not the Amish, I imagine.
At least McGuinty looked at the issue, and ultimate made a decision that was right on Sharia.
THis will be my first election where I do not vote conservative in Ontario.
All our politicians are morons, or cowards, when it comes to the Islamic situation.
Pat Condell for prime minister would have my vote.
The Battle of Lepanto, baby.
Google it.
“THis will be my first election where I do not vote conservative in Ontario.”
That’s because you are a Liberal sockpuppet, “Lori”. Most Ontarians care more about the odious 2.5 billion a year Liberal health tax than the 400 million earmarked for religious schools.
Incidently, if publicly funded religious schools are so bad why do so many non-Catholics send their kids to Catholic schools in Ontario? They’re generally considered superior, is one explanation. Other provinces fund religious schools so it’s not exactly uncharted territory.
Within the context of a 95 billion dollar budget Tory’s 400 million school promise is chicken feed. The McGuinty government is an abomination a 100 times greater than any policy John Tory can conceive of and anyone who is not dedicated to removing the Liberals from office is, of course, an enemy of the Ontario people.
Re Ontario Election. I live in BC but allow me to say that John Tory has made a huge mistake. I’m a strong conservative but if I lived in Ontario, I would have to vote Liberal.
Andrew: Liberal Sockpuppet?? Me? Not bloody likely, I probably was a Reform party member, Alliance member, and Conservative member party before you.
But, this is not a mere 400 million dollar mistake. It is a historic mistake. First, it will cost way more than 400 Million – when was the last time a new program offered during an election cost what was promised.
Second, that cost is for the existing numbers. Do you seriously believe that the hundreds of thousands (and growing more rapidly than any other religion through both birth and immigration), Muslims who now are going public school are not going to be shifted into Islamic schools in very very large nummbers?
Do you really see any non-Muslims going to those schools?? I don’t think the Catholic experience is generalizable. And what is the Muslim population of that other province which funds faith based schooling?
And once given, it will take nothing short of a citizen revolution to take this thing away.
I liked John Tory when he ran for Mayor of Toronto. I voted for him… but this is stupid. Just plain stupid, and really makes me question his judgement.
Yes, this issue is far more important than the budget issues which are impacted by what happens in Ottawa and in the US much more that by which party happens to be the governing party in Ontario at the time.
“How anyone can make a valid comparison between Islamofacists and religion in America is beyond me and sadly he seriously dilutes what was a very powerful message.”
Well most brits don’t like any kind of religious nutters and America is rife with them. I didn’t get the impression that he thinks they were as bad though, I don’t either personaly.
Where he lost me was by not mentioning the fact that the vast majority of muslims in Europe are thoroughly decent, moderate folks. And I don’t see how he gets the impression that they’re somehow untouchable as they’re regularly blasted in a lot of the right wing papers over here.
“Every single aspect of civilization that he hopes to preserve from burgeoning Islamism and creeping sharia, exists only due to the past and on-going influences of Christian faith.”
Western civilization was rocking the show before Jesus was born. Christianity has played a big part in the history of the west but the there’s a lot more to our civilization than Christianity.
“And I don’t see how he gets the impression that they’re somehow untouchable as they’re regularly blasted in a lot of the right wing papers over here.” (Jose)
Like Jylands-Posten, and, er…er…
“Well most brits don’t like any kind of religious nutters and America is rife with them.”
(snicker! splutter! guffaw!)
Stop it, Jose! My sides are splitting!
“I’m a strong conservative but if I lived in Ontario, I would have to vote Liberal.”
Then you are the furthest thing from a strong conservative, clown. You are a Liberal who supports Liberals.
“Yes, this issue is far more important than the budget issues which are impacted by what happens in Ottawa and in the US much more that by which party happens to be the governing party in Ontario at the time.”
I’m guessing you are one of the 39% of Canadian female tax filers who don’t pay any income tax.
You people need to shut the hell up and listen to those of us WHO PAY THE TAXES THAT MAKE ONTARIO HAPPEN ARE YOU SMELLLLLLLLLLLLLLLING WHAT I AM COOKING, SISTER?????????????
I got 2.5 billion reasons not to vote McGuinty. TWO POINT FIVE BILLION IS A BIGGER NUMBER THAN 400 MILLION LORI, MUCH BIGGER.
Anyone here who does not believe he took a good whack at the Americans should listen to the last three or four sentences of his discourse. It was gratuitous and completely undeserved.
Without a basic religious belief that includes positing God’s existence and His moral qualities, none of the values this man espouses — freedom, justice, equality, free-speech, etc. have any foundation in objective reality. They become arbitrary human artifacts in an uncreated, uncaring universe in which there are no moral absolutes and the idea of “rights” attaching themselves to human beings makes no more sense than rights attaching themselves to rocks — both are nothing more than unintended aggregates of matter thrown together by a mindless universe.
He thinks it would be a good thing to rid public life of what he calls “personal religion” or “personal faith”. Unfortunately, the “public atheism” which would presumably take its place ultimately jeopardizes rather than safeguards human rights, which can only objectively exist if God has created us, and done so in such a way that we have value beyond that of a rock, pond scum, or a frog.
I suspect that a society rooted in Christian conceptions of God, man, and reality would be better equipped to withstand the threat of Islamism (which is real) than a society steeped in demoralizing, atheistic secularism.
Richard Ball, you are wrong that there is no morality without religion. Ayn Rand came up with a detailed philosophical basis for one, and virtually all atheists like me are moral people, so we are proof by example that you are wrong.
Having said that, I have come to the somewhat uncomfortable conclusion that most people do need religious faith to be moral. You yourself have admitted that without your faith you would consider your fellow humans no better than pond scum. I take you seriously and I sincerely hope your faith is never tested to the breaking point.
Now, having accepted this reality, I have come to understand better the role of Christianity in the development of western civilization. It has, in modern times, come to accept the value of reason and science. This has resulted in the best culture that results in the most benefits for the most people. I belive Islam has become the last great threat to this, in concert with their leftist fellow travelers. I now consider myself a Christian atheist.
Richard nailed it
“and virtually all atheists like me are moral people”
Please. It is often difficult to communicate with atheists due to the “morality gap” that exists between a normal person and an atheist. They are a horribly dishonest people who, when given a chance to lie, will take it 100% of the time if they think they can get away with it. I can’t stand them.
In response to Richard Ball’s claim that basic human values like freedom and justice can’t exist without a belief in God, randall g wrote this: Richard Ball, you are wrong that there is no morality without religion. Ayn Rand came up with a detailed philosophical basis for one, and virtually all atheists like me are moral people, so we are proof by example that you are wrong.
Leaving aside the confusing mingling of “morality” and “values,” I don’t doubt that there are moral atheists.
At the same time, I think it’s nonsense to say that Ayn Rand or her followers ever came up with a ‘detailed philosophical basis’ for anything, let alone a coherent theory of basic human rights.
After all, Rand’s self-declared intellectual heir, Leonard Peikoff, thinks there is no such thing as a basic human right to health care, no more than there is a basic human right to a taxpayer-funded haircut: how silly is that?
It is possible to have morality without religion, it’s just very difficult to maintain it. It all has to run off enlightened self-interest, which is all too often easily overwhelmed by the prospect of short-term gain and low punishment rates.
The thing about faith is that it is simple. If there’s a supernatural being out there that knows everything you’ve ever done and will, with a 100% success rate, inflict punishment upon you for transgressions of its laws and reward you for obeying, then you don’t have to spend years reading and digesting Greek philosophy and plot out rationally why you shouldn’t take a monkey wrench to the head of the sixth government bureaucrat who passed your problem off to another department. (The logic of how one is supposed to keep religion, which so greatly informs how one is to relate to others, private thus far eludes me.)
This simplicity makes faith powerful, and therein lies the problem. If faith is powerful, then its misapplication will have disastrous consequences, such as we see in the Middle East today. Thus, it is understandable that Pat Condell lashes out at faith and calls for it to be devalued. Unfortunately for Pat, he chooses to fight faith with secularism, which is significantly weaker.
Stephen, there is no “basic human right” for anything. Including healthcare. We have evolved a social contract that mandates we take care of all people, but that is not “a basic human right”, it is an expression of our desire to be decent in our actions towards our fellow humans. However, it must be recognized that this kind of social contract requires some of us to assume more of the burden than others. In other words, some of us are forced to be slaves. Consider that.
A basic right to health care?
Look, is there a basic right to food and shelter? Does the government mandate that we all live in the same kind of house, and eat the same quality food?
OBviously not. Welfare gives a certain minimum, which can be very low, but those who earn more get much much better food and shelter for themselves and their families. Its the main incentive for working hard and trying to get the best job you can.
And BY THE WAY Andrew, I earn enough to pay more than 100K annually in taxes. You know nothing about me.
So, is health care more basic than food and shelter? The Canadian principle of a “right to healthcare” is nothing more than the second most successful political ploy in our history. Right after multicultulralism.
These comments about the so called “Christian foundation” of our essential ideals seem to negate the history concept of fairly successful societies like China at its prime, Greece, Rome, etc. Philosphers in all those societies espoused every one of the ideals quoted above.
They did not need a white bearded old man with a mean streak to exist.
Wheredo you think Christian philosphers got them from?
Lori, the “bearded old man” thing is getting pretty old by now. It is gratuitously offensive and I’m sure that is not what you meant to be.
Besides, you’re wrong. 🙂 The ancient cultures ALL believed in gods as the basis of morality.
As to rights though, I agree with you. There is no “right” to health care which compares to the right to self defense. Health care is a service provided by humans, self defense is by definition inherent to one’s self and thus a gift of God. Or the creator, or the blind watchmaker, whatever floats your seadoo.
Same with speech, movement, property and association. These are not abilities granted by a human agency. All else is by agreement, which can change.
Here in Canada our government is having difficulty with the concept of property. The truth of it is you have as much right to the products of your own labor as you do to your life. But property is inconvenient for socialists, so the Charter of Rights enshrines the “Right To Collective Bargaining” but not the right to property.
Taxpayer funded religious education and public education generally is one of those things that falls under “right to someone ELSE’S property”, that being tax funds, and is a bad idea.
Public education is a social good, because it addresses the inequality of opportunity between rich and poor. When properly administered, anyway.
Religious education for your kids though, that is a handout. You want your kid to learn the Bible, Koran, Torah, Guru Granth Sahib, good on you. Send them to Sunday School. That’s one major reason we have tax exempt churches.
John Tory is a Big Government socialist and therefore an imbecile. I did not vote for him as PC party leader.
Get a PC majority in Ontario first, then go through the party and kick his sorry a$$ into shape that way. Allowing Dalton the Sly to stay in will be a horrendous disaster.
John Tory did pull a stunt with his faith based school funding, did not he? Amazing times we live in.
If the Greeks and Romans had no GODS, does that mean all those crossword questions I answer are wrong.
This guy was going along quite well until he invoked the tired, specious claim that all religions are equally bad and damnable. The guy comes off as a disciple of Hitchens, if I had to peg his perspective.
It’s one thing to sound off about “all religions are bad,” but it is entirely disingenuous not to mention the atrocities underpinned by atheism that have scourged mankind, even in recent history. Mao’s Great Leap Forward; The Russian Communist Revolution; The Killing Fields of Cambodia. One wonders what any of the 30 to 50 million Chinese starved by the atheist Mao would say about his atheist “moral code.” Might s/he/they toss it into the rubbish bin as well?
We might ask, what license or warrant does Hitchens or any other atheist have to judge the morals of Mao or Stalin? By what authority does any atheist declare another’s morality less than or greater than his own?
Lori and others,
I was against Tory’s funding idea as well. However, after closer consideration, it’s not a bad idea.
The only schools most here would find offensive in terms of public funding would be Islamic schools, I’d imagine. Probably because their madrassas are hotbeds for teaching hate and terrorism.
By bringing these schools under strict educational guidelines and management, its unlikely they’ll be able to get away with this.
If allowed to continue the way they are – and more and more of them are opening all the time – we have no idea what is being taught. And one can only imagine and expect the worst.
“and virtually all atheists like me are moral people”
Really? Timothy McVeigh, Stalin, Pol Pot, Mao, etc. etc. were all atheists. Bad argument.
As a Ontario Conservative, I too am a bit miffed at Tory’s policy on funding faith-based schools. I do think there my be an upside to this though.
The several teacher’s unions have been playing havoc with the taxpayers for many years now. With the establishment of these schools, enrollment in the present systems is going to drop like a rock. Less teachers, less political influence. The present “private” or faith-based schools are mainly non-union as some faiths do not believe in them and others are not interested. The other benefit is the improvement in education through the hiring of only the best of teachers. The mediocre may well see themselves unemployed.
Give Tory a chance. He cannot be any worse than what we have now.
Atheism is negatively correlated with youth participation in team sports. Atheists tend to be selfish and uncoachable due to their hatred of authority in any form (especially male elders: see Lori and her screed against old white men for example).
I do not have confidence that the governments have the will, or the ability, to monitor classroom curriculum. They are actually fully legally entitled to do it now, but when was the last time anyone ever heard of it being checked.
It would be politically embarrassing, I can see CAIR-CAN making every inspection into a hate crime, and every discovery into a lawsuit. No government will risk it.
This will become an enormous and expensive cannard of worms.
On the issue of needing a God to justify our values, I offer the following example – Buddhism.
Most people regard Buddhism as a peaceful and benevolent religion. 400 million adherents.
Buddhism is totally different faith than christianity, and predates it. The Buddha rejected subservience of any kind to a supreme God and denied belief in an eternal self. While he believed that karma would determine the kind of rebirth and quality of life one would have at rebirth, he didn’t believe it was a self or soul that was reborn.
The noble eightfold path of buddhism is a sacred path with eight branches called right views of understanding, right aspirations, right speech, right conduct or action, right livelihood, right effort or endeavor, right mind control or concentration, and right mindfulness.
While Buddha did not deny the existence of gods, he taught that the worship of gods obstructed one’s quest for nirvana. To him the gods inhabit the cosmos and are impermanent like all of us, so they too must escape rebirth through nirvana.
Rebuttal? Andrew? Still there?
And finally, for Andrew….
First, before you “rebut”, I am not a buddhist.
And, if you feel the need identify what I wrote as a “screed”, look first to your calling me a “liberal sockpuppet”, and then to this tasteful comment:
“I’m guessing you are one of the 39% of Canadian female tax filers who don’t pay any income tax.
You people need to shut the hell up and listen to those of us WHO PAY THE TAXES THAT MAKE ONTARIO HAPPEN ARE YOU SMELLLLLLLLLLLLLLLING WHAT I AM COOKING, SISTER?????????????”
Enlightened conservative thinking at its finest no doubt. That’s the kind of posting that will convince Canadians who come to this blog and read what we write and discuss to choose Conservatism over Socialism, right?
Thanks for your input.
I’m a conservative and live in Ontario.
Until Tory opened his mouth, I was SOOOO looking forward to punting McShifty. Now I see no difference between them.
They’re both disasters. Why can’t this province produce leaders worth the name? Why are we perpetually led by jackasses and fools?
The last thing on earth I want is a segregated society. To think of event he possibility of publicly funded Saudi-taught maddrassas in Ontario is infuriating.
He was doing great until he condemned religion in general–if he is indeed against sharia law–why assume that your friends (Christians) are your enemies? A sincere adherence to the traditional religion of the West is the ideal counter-punch to the threat of Islam.
He had me until the last 30-seconds.
I mean it’s not like atheists (Nazis, Communists, pro-abortionists) have killed millions of people or anything.
“I’m a conservative and live in Ontario.”
No you’re not. You’re a politically correct pinko who is way too young to pay income taxes in any significant amount. You probably think we need McGuinty’s 2.5 BILLION dollar tax to fight the Christians and the KKK, you jackass.
“Now I see no difference between them.”
That’s because you are bad at mathematics and you are a moral degenerate unable to distinguish between two very, very diferent entities.
Let’s go back to Lori:
“Most people regard Buddhism as a peaceful and benevolent religion.”
That’s because they are ignorant stools who haven’t studied Buddhism as much as I have. Lori, did you know that in Asia sick people are considered “evil” because it is assumed they did something in a previous life (karma) to deserve their leprosy? And that Zen Bushido was responsible for the Rape of Nanking? Have you ever read the stories of how the Burmese sacked Ayutthaya? You can read more about this so-called peaceful and benevolent religion here: http://www.amazon.com/Zen-War-Brian-Daizen-Victoria/dp/0742539261/ref=pd_bbs_sr_1/105-3347075-4450044?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1188229199&sr=8-1
He was doing great there until he decided to tee off on the Americans. How anyone can make a valid comparison between Islamofacists and religion in America is beyond me and sadly he seriously dilutes what was a very powerful message.
“As welcome as a melonoma”
Kinda sums it up.
Bob,he did’nt tee off on Americans he took a shot at religion.
And i agree with him.
I agree with everything he says in this rant, but if you go to his website, the rest of his world view appears to consider America equally bad as militant Islam. That loses credibility for me. Christopher Hitchens does it better.
This guy is a LIBERAL who finally woke up and smelled the Sharia.
He’s half way to having a clue. He’ll have covered the other half when he admits all religions are not created equal.
These guys make me laugh, frankly. They rave on about how bad religion is, but their entire moral envelope is encompassed by Christianity.
I think this guy is right on! I live in the USA and am perplexed why Canadians put up with this Islamic attitude (their behaviors are BS). Don’t get me wrong — I love Canadians and wish them to always excel away from oppression and respect others’ religions — although… you are being “violated every day” from the behaviors of Islamist’s — WAKE UP CANADA !! and Please provide an example for the USA — YOU guy and gals are GREAT (and ALWAYS have been) !!! Best regards, Orlin from Marquette, Michigan USA
It didn’t seem to me that he was teeing off on America. And if he is a liberal then good, the alarm clock has to go off sometime.
Good video. Spot on. Who is he?
randall g… could you link his website? Not that I’m an American basher (quite the opposite, in fact) but would like to see what makes him tick. Thanks.
Gotta agree with him regarding how lily-livered Europeans have become.
Nice points.
Unfortunately, he draws incorrect conclusions when he goes off on “all religions”.
Every single aspect of civilization that he hopes to preserve from burgeoning Islamism and creeping sharia, exists only due to the past and on-going influences of Christian faith. This man’s own parents and grandparents, not so long ago, lived in a time when public expressions of Christian faith were accepted and acknowledged as having an overwhelmingly positive impact on social life, public decency and personal freedom. For those who don’t like that fact, it is simply history that less than two generations ago western civilization and culture without the influence of Christianity, (whether or not you were a believer) was unthinkable.
Those who think they can preserve the greatness of European and North American culture while dismantling its foundation are living in a fool’s paradise, and only hastening the ultimate victory of Islamic fundamentalism.
Orlin, you’ve just visited one of the Canadian websites whose adherents have awakened to the danger a long time ago, or were NEVER indifferent to the problem of Islamofacism to begin with.
Time to get rid of the “Thou shalt not kill” crap and leave Justice to the morally superior Humans that can mete it out far better than the Judges and Prisons.
Who the hell came up with this rule that Murder was wrong and made it Illegal, we kill babies don’t we?
Murder is merely retro-active Abortion where we made a mistake to not kill them before they were allowed to be born.
Wake-up people , embrace the 1-World Government proposed by Maurice Strong and the Liberals in canada, time to ban religion and worship the U.N. and a Global leader.
Well said, Rudy. Kind of like denying the existence of , what , hundreds of great European Christian cathedrals built over the span of many centuries.
I hope the politicos in Europe and here soon figure out they got a problem when they gave in to all extremist demands. Here in Ontario I know they do not have a clue of what they are doing by what our fearless Premier McGuinty did after he was elected. He actually considered putting into effect Sharia law for our Muslim friends and neighbours. Nice guy.
Just watched an hour-long interview of Cliff Chadderton on CPAC. He was reminiscing about his tour of battle for 4 months in 1944, up until he was wounded.
Nothing will EVER take away from what this Iron Man, and Men like him, did to liberate Belgium, France, The Netherlands, in the 1940s. Europeans would do well to remember that sometimes you have to fight, and maybe even die, for what’s right.
His name is Pat Condell and his website is:
http://youtube.com/user/patcondell
…he’s been posting rants like this for months…
got into a fun little spat with Berkeley University a little while ago…
they accused him of hate speech so he posted another
video telling them to stuff it.
Whoops, meant to post a link to the Berkeley “hate speech” story too (sorry to double-post):
http://ummahnewslinks.com/2007/05/17/comic-in-us-hate-speech-row.aspx
hmmmm. the beginning of the 2nd muslim invasion of europe is upon us? time will tell.
anyways, on a personal scale:
scene: closest bus stop
time: early afternoon today
a muslim woman in headgear is waiting for the slow arriving sunday bus, I conclude she is a captive audience.
“eh, yous muslims consider dogs ‘unclean’? watch this!
whereupon self plants a big fat smooch right on the mouth of my spayed shepard mix.
LOL !!!
I guess that made me ‘unclean’ for some indeterminate time. oh, and the bacteria question? not! she’s probably had her tongue on every plate, bowl and spoon in the place in the year and a half she’s been scarfing down leftovers, so the ‘exchange’ has long since happened.
LOL !!!
Roger: “Time to get rid of the “Thou shalt not kill” crap and leave Justice to the morally superior Humans…”
You’ve got an imam in mind for the next supreme court chief justice?
From Pat Condell’s site:
And I don’t have much of a formal education – which is good, because it means I can actually read and write. But it also means I don’t have a great deal of what you might call actual knowledge.
He’s right about the last part, certainly.
Farmer Bill: Here in Ontario, the CONSERVATIVE party has proposed to pay for ALL faith based schools. Who do you think will benefit the most out of this. Not the Amish, I imagine.
At least McGuinty looked at the issue, and ultimate made a decision that was right on Sharia.
THis will be my first election where I do not vote conservative in Ontario.
All our politicians are morons, or cowards, when it comes to the Islamic situation.
Pat Condell for prime minister would have my vote.
The Battle of Lepanto, baby.
Google it.
“THis will be my first election where I do not vote conservative in Ontario.”
That’s because you are a Liberal sockpuppet, “Lori”. Most Ontarians care more about the odious 2.5 billion a year Liberal health tax than the 400 million earmarked for religious schools.
Incidently, if publicly funded religious schools are so bad why do so many non-Catholics send their kids to Catholic schools in Ontario? They’re generally considered superior, is one explanation. Other provinces fund religious schools so it’s not exactly uncharted territory.
Within the context of a 95 billion dollar budget Tory’s 400 million school promise is chicken feed. The McGuinty government is an abomination a 100 times greater than any policy John Tory can conceive of and anyone who is not dedicated to removing the Liberals from office is, of course, an enemy of the Ontario people.
Re Ontario Election. I live in BC but allow me to say that John Tory has made a huge mistake. I’m a strong conservative but if I lived in Ontario, I would have to vote Liberal.
Andrew: Liberal Sockpuppet?? Me? Not bloody likely, I probably was a Reform party member, Alliance member, and Conservative member party before you.
But, this is not a mere 400 million dollar mistake. It is a historic mistake. First, it will cost way more than 400 Million – when was the last time a new program offered during an election cost what was promised.
Second, that cost is for the existing numbers. Do you seriously believe that the hundreds of thousands (and growing more rapidly than any other religion through both birth and immigration), Muslims who now are going public school are not going to be shifted into Islamic schools in very very large nummbers?
Do you really see any non-Muslims going to those schools?? I don’t think the Catholic experience is generalizable. And what is the Muslim population of that other province which funds faith based schooling?
And once given, it will take nothing short of a citizen revolution to take this thing away.
I liked John Tory when he ran for Mayor of Toronto. I voted for him… but this is stupid. Just plain stupid, and really makes me question his judgement.
Yes, this issue is far more important than the budget issues which are impacted by what happens in Ottawa and in the US much more that by which party happens to be the governing party in Ontario at the time.
“How anyone can make a valid comparison between Islamofacists and religion in America is beyond me and sadly he seriously dilutes what was a very powerful message.”
Well most brits don’t like any kind of religious nutters and America is rife with them. I didn’t get the impression that he thinks they were as bad though, I don’t either personaly.
Where he lost me was by not mentioning the fact that the vast majority of muslims in Europe are thoroughly decent, moderate folks. And I don’t see how he gets the impression that they’re somehow untouchable as they’re regularly blasted in a lot of the right wing papers over here.
“Every single aspect of civilization that he hopes to preserve from burgeoning Islamism and creeping sharia, exists only due to the past and on-going influences of Christian faith.”
Western civilization was rocking the show before Jesus was born. Christianity has played a big part in the history of the west but the there’s a lot more to our civilization than Christianity.
“And I don’t see how he gets the impression that they’re somehow untouchable as they’re regularly blasted in a lot of the right wing papers over here.” (Jose)
Like Jylands-Posten, and, er…er…
“Well most brits don’t like any kind of religious nutters and America is rife with them.”
(snicker! splutter! guffaw!)
Stop it, Jose! My sides are splitting!
“I’m a strong conservative but if I lived in Ontario, I would have to vote Liberal.”
Then you are the furthest thing from a strong conservative, clown. You are a Liberal who supports Liberals.
“Yes, this issue is far more important than the budget issues which are impacted by what happens in Ottawa and in the US much more that by which party happens to be the governing party in Ontario at the time.”
I’m guessing you are one of the 39% of Canadian female tax filers who don’t pay any income tax.
You people need to shut the hell up and listen to those of us WHO PAY THE TAXES THAT MAKE ONTARIO HAPPEN ARE YOU SMELLLLLLLLLLLLLLLING WHAT I AM COOKING, SISTER?????????????
I got 2.5 billion reasons not to vote McGuinty. TWO POINT FIVE BILLION IS A BIGGER NUMBER THAN 400 MILLION LORI, MUCH BIGGER.
Anyone here who does not believe he took a good whack at the Americans should listen to the last three or four sentences of his discourse. It was gratuitous and completely undeserved.
Without a basic religious belief that includes positing God’s existence and His moral qualities, none of the values this man espouses — freedom, justice, equality, free-speech, etc. have any foundation in objective reality. They become arbitrary human artifacts in an uncreated, uncaring universe in which there are no moral absolutes and the idea of “rights” attaching themselves to human beings makes no more sense than rights attaching themselves to rocks — both are nothing more than unintended aggregates of matter thrown together by a mindless universe.
He thinks it would be a good thing to rid public life of what he calls “personal religion” or “personal faith”. Unfortunately, the “public atheism” which would presumably take its place ultimately jeopardizes rather than safeguards human rights, which can only objectively exist if God has created us, and done so in such a way that we have value beyond that of a rock, pond scum, or a frog.
I suspect that a society rooted in Christian conceptions of God, man, and reality would be better equipped to withstand the threat of Islamism (which is real) than a society steeped in demoralizing, atheistic secularism.
Richard Ball, you are wrong that there is no morality without religion. Ayn Rand came up with a detailed philosophical basis for one, and virtually all atheists like me are moral people, so we are proof by example that you are wrong.
Having said that, I have come to the somewhat uncomfortable conclusion that most people do need religious faith to be moral. You yourself have admitted that without your faith you would consider your fellow humans no better than pond scum. I take you seriously and I sincerely hope your faith is never tested to the breaking point.
Now, having accepted this reality, I have come to understand better the role of Christianity in the development of western civilization. It has, in modern times, come to accept the value of reason and science. This has resulted in the best culture that results in the most benefits for the most people. I belive Islam has become the last great threat to this, in concert with their leftist fellow travelers. I now consider myself a Christian atheist.
Richard nailed it
“and virtually all atheists like me are moral people”
Please. It is often difficult to communicate with atheists due to the “morality gap” that exists between a normal person and an atheist. They are a horribly dishonest people who, when given a chance to lie, will take it 100% of the time if they think they can get away with it. I can’t stand them.
In response to Richard Ball’s claim that basic human values like freedom and justice can’t exist without a belief in God, randall g wrote this:
Richard Ball, you are wrong that there is no morality without religion. Ayn Rand came up with a detailed philosophical basis for one, and virtually all atheists like me are moral people, so we are proof by example that you are wrong.
Leaving aside the confusing mingling of “morality” and “values,” I don’t doubt that there are moral atheists.
At the same time, I think it’s nonsense to say that Ayn Rand or her followers ever came up with a ‘detailed philosophical basis’ for anything, let alone a coherent theory of basic human rights.
After all, Rand’s self-declared intellectual heir, Leonard Peikoff, thinks there is no such thing as a basic human right to health care, no more than there is a basic human right to a taxpayer-funded haircut: how silly is that?
It is possible to have morality without religion, it’s just very difficult to maintain it. It all has to run off enlightened self-interest, which is all too often easily overwhelmed by the prospect of short-term gain and low punishment rates.
The thing about faith is that it is simple. If there’s a supernatural being out there that knows everything you’ve ever done and will, with a 100% success rate, inflict punishment upon you for transgressions of its laws and reward you for obeying, then you don’t have to spend years reading and digesting Greek philosophy and plot out rationally why you shouldn’t take a monkey wrench to the head of the sixth government bureaucrat who passed your problem off to another department. (The logic of how one is supposed to keep religion, which so greatly informs how one is to relate to others, private thus far eludes me.)
This simplicity makes faith powerful, and therein lies the problem. If faith is powerful, then its misapplication will have disastrous consequences, such as we see in the Middle East today. Thus, it is understandable that Pat Condell lashes out at faith and calls for it to be devalued. Unfortunately for Pat, he chooses to fight faith with secularism, which is significantly weaker.
Stephen, there is no “basic human right” for anything. Including healthcare. We have evolved a social contract that mandates we take care of all people, but that is not “a basic human right”, it is an expression of our desire to be decent in our actions towards our fellow humans. However, it must be recognized that this kind of social contract requires some of us to assume more of the burden than others. In other words, some of us are forced to be slaves. Consider that.
A basic right to health care?
Look, is there a basic right to food and shelter? Does the government mandate that we all live in the same kind of house, and eat the same quality food?
OBviously not. Welfare gives a certain minimum, which can be very low, but those who earn more get much much better food and shelter for themselves and their families. Its the main incentive for working hard and trying to get the best job you can.
And BY THE WAY Andrew, I earn enough to pay more than 100K annually in taxes. You know nothing about me.
So, is health care more basic than food and shelter? The Canadian principle of a “right to healthcare” is nothing more than the second most successful political ploy in our history. Right after multicultulralism.
These comments about the so called “Christian foundation” of our essential ideals seem to negate the history concept of fairly successful societies like China at its prime, Greece, Rome, etc. Philosphers in all those societies espoused every one of the ideals quoted above.
They did not need a white bearded old man with a mean streak to exist.
Wheredo you think Christian philosphers got them from?
Lori, the “bearded old man” thing is getting pretty old by now. It is gratuitously offensive and I’m sure that is not what you meant to be.
Besides, you’re wrong. 🙂 The ancient cultures ALL believed in gods as the basis of morality.
As to rights though, I agree with you. There is no “right” to health care which compares to the right to self defense. Health care is a service provided by humans, self defense is by definition inherent to one’s self and thus a gift of God. Or the creator, or the blind watchmaker, whatever floats your seadoo.
Same with speech, movement, property and association. These are not abilities granted by a human agency. All else is by agreement, which can change.
Here in Canada our government is having difficulty with the concept of property. The truth of it is you have as much right to the products of your own labor as you do to your life. But property is inconvenient for socialists, so the Charter of Rights enshrines the “Right To Collective Bargaining” but not the right to property.
Taxpayer funded religious education and public education generally is one of those things that falls under “right to someone ELSE’S property”, that being tax funds, and is a bad idea.
Public education is a social good, because it addresses the inequality of opportunity between rich and poor. When properly administered, anyway.
Religious education for your kids though, that is a handout. You want your kid to learn the Bible, Koran, Torah, Guru Granth Sahib, good on you. Send them to Sunday School. That’s one major reason we have tax exempt churches.
John Tory is a Big Government socialist and therefore an imbecile. I did not vote for him as PC party leader.
Get a PC majority in Ontario first, then go through the party and kick his sorry a$$ into shape that way. Allowing Dalton the Sly to stay in will be a horrendous disaster.
John Tory did pull a stunt with his faith based school funding, did not he? Amazing times we live in.
If the Greeks and Romans had no GODS, does that mean all those crossword questions I answer are wrong.
This guy was going along quite well until he invoked the tired, specious claim that all religions are equally bad and damnable. The guy comes off as a disciple of Hitchens, if I had to peg his perspective.
It’s one thing to sound off about “all religions are bad,” but it is entirely disingenuous not to mention the atrocities underpinned by atheism that have scourged mankind, even in recent history. Mao’s Great Leap Forward; The Russian Communist Revolution; The Killing Fields of Cambodia. One wonders what any of the 30 to 50 million Chinese starved by the atheist Mao would say about his atheist “moral code.” Might s/he/they toss it into the rubbish bin as well?
We might ask, what license or warrant does Hitchens or any other atheist have to judge the morals of Mao or Stalin? By what authority does any atheist declare another’s morality less than or greater than his own?
Lori and others,
I was against Tory’s funding idea as well. However, after closer consideration, it’s not a bad idea.
The only schools most here would find offensive in terms of public funding would be Islamic schools, I’d imagine. Probably because their madrassas are hotbeds for teaching hate and terrorism.
By bringing these schools under strict educational guidelines and management, its unlikely they’ll be able to get away with this.
If allowed to continue the way they are – and more and more of them are opening all the time – we have no idea what is being taught. And one can only imagine and expect the worst.
“and virtually all atheists like me are moral people”
Really? Timothy McVeigh, Stalin, Pol Pot, Mao, etc. etc. were all atheists. Bad argument.
As a Ontario Conservative, I too am a bit miffed at Tory’s policy on funding faith-based schools. I do think there my be an upside to this though.
The several teacher’s unions have been playing havoc with the taxpayers for many years now. With the establishment of these schools, enrollment in the present systems is going to drop like a rock. Less teachers, less political influence. The present “private” or faith-based schools are mainly non-union as some faiths do not believe in them and others are not interested. The other benefit is the improvement in education through the hiring of only the best of teachers. The mediocre may well see themselves unemployed.
Give Tory a chance. He cannot be any worse than what we have now.
Atheism is negatively correlated with youth participation in team sports. Atheists tend to be selfish and uncoachable due to their hatred of authority in any form (especially male elders: see Lori and her screed against old white men for example).
I do not have confidence that the governments have the will, or the ability, to monitor classroom curriculum. They are actually fully legally entitled to do it now, but when was the last time anyone ever heard of it being checked.
It would be politically embarrassing, I can see CAIR-CAN making every inspection into a hate crime, and every discovery into a lawsuit. No government will risk it.
This will become an enormous and expensive cannard of worms.
On the issue of needing a God to justify our values, I offer the following example – Buddhism.
Most people regard Buddhism as a peaceful and benevolent religion. 400 million adherents.
Buddhism is totally different faith than christianity, and predates it. The Buddha rejected subservience of any kind to a supreme God and denied belief in an eternal self. While he believed that karma would determine the kind of rebirth and quality of life one would have at rebirth, he didn’t believe it was a self or soul that was reborn.
The noble eightfold path of buddhism is a sacred path with eight branches called right views of understanding, right aspirations, right speech, right conduct or action, right livelihood, right effort or endeavor, right mind control or concentration, and right mindfulness.
While Buddha did not deny the existence of gods, he taught that the worship of gods obstructed one’s quest for nirvana. To him the gods inhabit the cosmos and are impermanent like all of us, so they too must escape rebirth through nirvana.
Rebuttal? Andrew? Still there?
And finally, for Andrew….
First, before you “rebut”, I am not a buddhist.
And, if you feel the need identify what I wrote as a “screed”, look first to your calling me a “liberal sockpuppet”, and then to this tasteful comment:
“I’m guessing you are one of the 39% of Canadian female tax filers who don’t pay any income tax.
You people need to shut the hell up and listen to those of us WHO PAY THE TAXES THAT MAKE ONTARIO HAPPEN ARE YOU SMELLLLLLLLLLLLLLLING WHAT I AM COOKING, SISTER?????????????”
Enlightened conservative thinking at its finest no doubt. That’s the kind of posting that will convince Canadians who come to this blog and read what we write and discuss to choose Conservatism over Socialism, right?
Thanks for your input.
I’m a conservative and live in Ontario.
Until Tory opened his mouth, I was SOOOO looking forward to punting McShifty. Now I see no difference between them.
They’re both disasters. Why can’t this province produce leaders worth the name? Why are we perpetually led by jackasses and fools?
The last thing on earth I want is a segregated society. To think of event he possibility of publicly funded Saudi-taught maddrassas in Ontario is infuriating.
He was doing great until he condemned religion in general–if he is indeed against sharia law–why assume that your friends (Christians) are your enemies? A sincere adherence to the traditional religion of the West is the ideal counter-punch to the threat of Islam.
He had me until the last 30-seconds.
I mean it’s not like atheists (Nazis, Communists, pro-abortionists) have killed millions of people or anything.
“I’m a conservative and live in Ontario.”
No you’re not. You’re a politically correct pinko who is way too young to pay income taxes in any significant amount. You probably think we need McGuinty’s 2.5 BILLION dollar tax to fight the Christians and the KKK, you jackass.
“Now I see no difference between them.”
That’s because you are bad at mathematics and you are a moral degenerate unable to distinguish between two very, very diferent entities.
Let’s go back to Lori:
“Most people regard Buddhism as a peaceful and benevolent religion.”
That’s because they are ignorant stools who haven’t studied Buddhism as much as I have. Lori, did you know that in Asia sick people are considered “evil” because it is assumed they did something in a previous life (karma) to deserve their leprosy? And that Zen Bushido was responsible for the Rape of Nanking? Have you ever read the stories of how the Burmese sacked Ayutthaya? You can read more about this so-called peaceful and benevolent religion here:
http://www.amazon.com/Zen-War-Brian-Daizen-Victoria/dp/0742539261/ref=pd_bbs_sr_1/105-3347075-4450044?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1188229199&sr=8-1