If you want another chance to bury Canada’s Greatest Eugenicist all over again, go vote at Calgary Grit.
And follow the rules – because cheating is for Liberals!
If you want another chance to bury Canada’s Greatest Eugenicist all over again, go vote at Calgary Grit.
And follow the rules – because cheating is for Liberals!
Heheheh. Done. Go Lougheed!
Tommy??? Somehow I don’t think so.
Where were you guys when Oliver Mowat defeated John Robarts in Ontario last weekend?
I can’t vote in this pole. There’s no Vandermania!
Oh wait. This is for BEST Premiers… my bad.
Canada’s greatest eugenicist was Ernest Manning, Alberta Premier from 1943 to 1968, right winger and father of Preston. Eugenics was practiced in Alberta from 1928 to 1972 so one can assume that Ernest whole heartedly approved.
Saskatchewan never had a eugenics program.
http://katewerk.com/tommy/
LOL….Harper in retreat…..Gordon “Clown” O’Conner given serious demotion.
Don:
You got it wrong again … you’re on the wrong thread.
Voting is already rigged and stuffed.
Frozen at 15 TD 2 PL.
Liberals at work.
enough
Wow, the mighty iberia proudly touts that “Saskatchewan never had a eugenics program” but fails to mention that old TC managed to lock a lot of souls in Weyburn loonie bin for the simple reason that being new immigrants they could not answer many of the english questions and therefore were assumed to be feeble-minded.
As a matter of interest most people around the turn of the last century and many years after subscribed to certain forms of eugenics (mostly birth control & sterilization) including those Famous Five females that are imortalized in stone because of the “women are people too” movement. Liberal MLA Nellie McLung of those Fab Five was also very active in the sterilization movement. Heck, even the mighty Ontario had an “Inspector of Feeble-Minded” in the presence of Dr. Helen McMurchy. Mind you back in the day, eugenics was a “progressive” idea. Funny how the world evolves, eh.
Tex:
Tommy Douglas was a proponent of eugenics until 1938 until he visited Germany.
He rarely mentioned it after then.
The Fuhrer himself has a hierarchy of superior nations with Scandanavians being ranked among the highest (I did not know this until my daughter told me) and took eugenics to its logical conclusion.
And, yes, it was the Famous Five Albertans who convinced the government of the day it was a progressive idea.
About half the sterilized people were aboriginal and the program was finally shut down in 1972 by the Lougheed government.
No, it’s not stuck or rigged. The 15 (Douglas) and 2 (Lougheed) refer to some other number. Votes for each are in the hundreds, and Lougheed is in the lead at this time.
Oh well, the leftard get’s it wrong again. Commie Douglas participated in such programs, and Lougheed shut it down. It must suck living in a world diametrically opposed to your fantasies. Moonbat!
Well, they’re fixing it now. Douglas just had a few hundred votes dropped his way in the last hour or so,
My Trend Micro security app goes ballistic when I enter the CG site!
Would you knowingly direct people to a spyware infected site?
Whether it’s intentionally operating tracking widgits at CG’s site or something off the hosts radar…. this site is poisoned.
Keep voting, we don’t want Tommey makeing past this round of voting.
Lougheed all the way!!!
It’s interesting in a video clip from the 1968 election debate listening to the little Saskatchewan commie Tommy Douglas declare that homosexuality is looked upon as a disease and the afflicted should be treated by psychiatrists.
Whew!
How about that lefties?
That’s a clip that shoudl be youtubed. 🙂
It’s been another hour or thereabouts – Jeff Davidson should have had time to vote for Tommy another 300 times or so?
Yeah… I sure wish we had a medical system like the do in the US, what with their shocking infant mortality rate, and falling lifespans.
I can understand why you guys would oppose those old-fashioned eugenics experiments… not so much because they’re monstrous, but because you’d have even more trouble getting laid.
Kate:
George Bernard Shaw, Charles Darwin, Margaret Sanger, H.G. Wells, Francis Galton (who coined the term “eugenics”), Theodore Roosevelt, Oliver Wendell Holmes, Alexander Graham Bell, Charles Lindbergh, and Winston Churchill all supported eugenics at one time. Perhaps you should start a smear campaign against them as well.
kingstonTARD:
Good thing for you that you’re not living in Alberta under the leadership of Ernest Manning.
John:
You wish we had a medical system like the US?
Not me.
The insurance pool aspect of it is fine.
It’s the delivery where this system breaks down. Canada has a government monopoly delivery with unionized labour.
Most of the civilized world allows for a combination of public and private delivery.
There are only two other countries in the world whose delivery system is like Canada’s … Cuba and North Korea.
I’m sure you would feel quite comfortable in those countries, much like Michael Moore.
Iberia:
Do you believe in the master race?
No…do you?
Iberia:
I believe in the sanctity of human life.
Obviously, the proponents of eugenics did not think the concept through.
But then, human history is full of half-baked ideas.
Many intelligent people initially thought eugenics was a valid idea. Tommy Douglas didn’t implement forced sterilizations, etc. and yet he is being smeared by the right as “Canada’s greatest eugenicist.” Hey right-wingers: the facts don’t agree with your version of reality.
Iberia:
Perhaps you should re-read the comments.
Quite clearly, Douglas realized where the eugenics debate could lead when he visited Germany in 1938.
My mother-in-law is from Saskatchewan, from that generation, and I have always suspected she was a closet supporter of eugenics at one time, since she is also an NDP supporter.
Yet, she fought for the Canadian army and for freedom in WWII.
Hey iberia, a quick question: What was Tommy Douglas’ masters thesis about? That my dear sir is reality. His “work” at filling the weyburn loonie bin also speaks volumes. No smearing necessary as the facts speak for themselves.
Texas Canuck:
Eugenics may have been his thesis but the real point is that Saskatchewan was not sterilizing “defective” people when he was Premier. Alberta, on the other hand, practiced a eugenics policy for over forty years. Therefore it’s Ernest Manning who should be considered Canada’s greatest eugenicist.
Just to add fuel to the fire so to speak:
iberia, suppose you had a daughter that was fourteen but had the mental capacity of a five year old. Would you let her have a child? Would you subject her to every tom, dick and harry that wanted to take advantage of her? If she did get pregnant, would you raise that child( and any other children she might have)?
I think before anyone spouts ideals from on high, real life situations should be looked at. A lot of idealists think they are their brother’s keeper until they really have to do it.
TC:
Are you saying that you’re for eugenics?
BTW, I don’t think that ANY 14 girl should be having children. Or having sex, for that matter.
Iberia, if you don’t agree with 14 yr olds having sex, why are you not in favor of the bill by Rick Casson to raise the age of consent to 16. Wasn’t it the libs and ndp that voted against this.
Considering the concept of eugenics is most closely tied with natural selection, I wouldn’t be surprised if there were a number of people who could believe in eugenics. That isn’t however, the question that Texas Canuck is asking Iberia. The question he asked (and lets rephrase it into a more believable scenario) is whether a girl (or boy) who will never have the mental capacity (through some form of retardation) to take any responsibility for a child should be allowed to procreate.
So, to the lefties, eugenics are bad, but abortion is okay? How about when doctors recommend an abortion because your child might have downs? Is this okay? Can we get a clear position from the lefties, if eugenics are bad, then why aren’t abortions?
I’m not advocating anything… I’m just saying who should be responsible for those who cannot be responsible for themselves?
Tommy Douglas with a big lead. Oh well the universe has gone crazy again. Up is down, down is up, Tommy Douglas considered useful, cats and dogs playing together…madness.
No, somebody just decided to set their browser on “reject cookies” and they’re casting vote after vote for him. If Calgary Grit contests that statement, all he has to do is serve up his server stats for that time period and see if the visits support the votes cast.
MaryT:
What makes you think I wasn’t in favour of Casson’s bill?
This thread getting twisted…first, right-wingers say that Tommy Douglas is bad because they claim he “supported” eugenics. Then right-wingers imply that eugenics has it’s uses (on pregnant 14 year old girls that are retarded), so it can be “good” (probably as long as a lefty isn’t implimenting it). Now abortion comes along…which has nothing to do with Tommy Douglas.
Perhaps Tommy Douglas is in the lead because…more people are voting for him. Hmmm?This eugenics smear on Tommy Douglas has failed. Tommy Douglas will probably win this poll, but really, who cares? This is hardly a scientific poll.
beria is quite correct. Douglas was a dilettante compared to Herr Manning.
If these right wing polls get any more scientific they’d be invitation only.
Strike “right wing” from that last comment, my bad.
First of all, I have a brother with downs. Secondly, I adopted the name kingstontard from one u leftards. Thirdly, Iberia, you are an idiot.
Lougheed wins!
Take that Tommy, and thanks for the way too numerous, impossible to maintain, highways you stuck the province with, you idiot.
Douglas from his behaviour and attitudes was a borderline personality traumatized in youth. Some kid at school made a crack about his poor cloths and family and he was on a life-long romaticized Marxist class struggle from that point forward.
Interesting to me was this was a guy with drive and determination who could have been a success in some private sector endeavor but he chose to use this talent to manipulate people and public opinion…his writings reveal the megalomania of the social engineer ( eugenicist)…..a text book sociopath.
John,
The stats on infant mortality are stacked by Canada’s politicized mandarins. Our numbers of 4.6 deaths per 1000 is entirely fictional.
Canada (unlike honest countries) only provides mortality statistics for babies that weigh over 500g’s. Most countries (the US included) provide stats for all babies.
Since mortality is higher for low birth weight babies, this skews Canada’s numbers and paints a rosier picture than that which corresponds to objective reality. In other words, leftards are liars who fudge data to mine the result they want.
Canada’s numbers for infant mortality which INCLUDES babies weighing under 500g is 6.3/1000 while the US number is 6.4/1000. Canada also doesn’t have huge numbers of inner cities and illegals so our performance should be better comparatively.
As for life spans, ours will fall too. Besides being in the running with the US for the fattest people on earth, we also dump nasty chemicals into our environment and use nasty ingredients in our chemically processed foods. Our numbers will not be different from the US. Our culture in all ways is equal to the US. We eat like Americans, drink like Americans, watch too much American TV, we don’t play enough sports (whether American, Canadian or other) and in fact act in every way like Americans. Canadians who think Canadians are different are bigot nationals with delusions of grandeur.
I did always wonder if leftards think of their contradictions. They keep saying that poor health is caused by poverty instead of choices and family history. But if that’s so, why do you claim that the US is less healthy if they’re richer? If poverty caused poor health like the leftards keep saying, we should be less healthy. As should the rest of the world.
Re:kingstontard at August 15, 2007 7:58 AM,
Excellent points made, especially #3.
I have been fortunate that most of my family has been healthy but I must give full marks to those who step up to the plate and accept the challenge (if that is the right word). As someone who is there I have a question for you: Do you prefer that big brother guvm’t be responsible for your brother’s welfare or let you and your family take the responsibility? I don’t mean some government aid or assistance but full blown progressive dipper style “solution”?
kingstonturd:
I have no doubt that your brother is a much nicer person to be around than you. How typical of you and other small dead minds (TC) to resort to insults when proven wrong.
“I’m not advocating anything… I’m just saying who should be responsible for those who cannot be responsible for themselves?”
You’re not a Christian by chance are you? Cuz I’m pretty sure the answer to “am i my brother’s keeper?” Is in fact, yes you are. But hey… don’t let the actual text of the bible get in the way of what you want to believe.
I once agreed with you about Tommy Douglas as you know.
Then, I learned a bit about his later years.
His eugenics paper is beyond disgusting. But then he travelled, met Adolf Hitler among others, and offered to enlist in the Canadian Army, was turned down, and was instrumental in encouraging and supporting MacKenzie King with bringing in conscription during the war.
As premier of Saskatchewan, he worked for the rights of the mentally ill and refused to sign eugenics legislation, then in vogue in BC and Alberta.
Toward his later years he even wryly admitted the one thing they never figured out with socialized medicine was how to make central planning work.
Are you sure your campaign against this dead man who reformed his character and the majority of his beliefs and went on to be a “Great Canadian” is productive?
kingstonard, you are showing YOURSELF to be the “tard”.
Tommy Douglas did not participate in eugenics programs. He opposed them. After he met Hitler and realized what a “mad dog” (his words) Hitler was.
The eugenics programs you referred to were mostly in Alberta and also BC.
Oh, just to show you how ’tarded you are:
Commie Douglas = Premier of Saskatchewan
Lougheed = Premier of Alberta
Tard.