Hey boys – mind looking up from your beers for a second so I can draw something to your attention?
If you – meaning “you” in the 18 – 30 male demographic – could rouse the sense to haul your asses to the polling booth in meaningful percentages, you might find yourselves with the political clout that helps prevents these legislative assaults on your property and liberty;
Police in Canada’s most populous province have the right to seize and destroy any car that has been modified for street racing, Ontario’s top prosecutor claims.
“If we can establish someone has parts and they’re juicing up their car — obviously for the purpose of street racing — then we can seize those vehicles,” Ontario Attorney General Michael Bryant said Wednesday, according to the Canadian Press.
“We will seize it and you will never see it again. We will crush your car, we will crush the parts.”
“We don’t need to wait until that car hits the road fully loaded,” he said, adding that modified cars are as dangerous as explosives, capable of causing catastrophic damage.
Mr. Bryant was also an architect of Ontario’s recent pit bull ban, which was designed to “protected from the menace” of “dangerous dogs,” which he characterized as “nothing but a loaded weapon waiting to go off.”
Otherwise, get used to that squeeze of nanny’s hand on your testicles. She ain’t nearly done with you yet.
Hardcore! And well said.
This will have a huge impact on the 57 Chevy crowd!! No more car shows? Drag Racing events? They won’t be able to get their cars there except on a gas fuming car hauler pulled by a great big Chevy Truck.
Once again, our freedoms are being strangled by holier than thou
rectums bent on controlling every aspect of our lives.
Makes me wanna buy a souped up car and ride around town with a big pit bull in it.
Call it “possession with intent to drag-race.”
And really this is just an extension of the mentality behind “hate crime” legislation. If they can read your mind (infer) you intent in the one situation, what’s to stop them from doing it in everything.
Note to self: Remove nanny’s hand from testicles!
Why don’t they just get it over with and just outlaw testosterone?
Why don’t they just get it over with and outlaw testosterone?
The Totalitarian enclave of Ontario is maturing nicely under the rule of leftist fools who even to this very day believe that EVERYTHING can be controlled by a big enough, well funded enough government.
Did I mention ‘fools’? … that is the operative work here.
Joe Clark notwithstanding, can anyone remember a more stupid leader and underlings than Dolton McGuinty and his crew?
Living in a province, (Oinktario), and led by simple-minded Gliberal retards- I have not personally owned a car for over 25 years. After four collisions with third-world dogmeat while riding my motorcycle, (thank you very much, local police farces)- I’ll just wait until I get out of this disgusting province before I get back on the road!
Property ‘rights’ in Canada are an issue worthy of a battle up to the Supreme Court – they are so important they are worthy of a battle to replace the Supreme Court with Judges that actually believe in rights and freedoms.
I’ll use the divide and conquer rationalization that Ontario Shotgunners used when they came to ban handguns:
I have a “race” bike so banning “race” cars doesn’t effect me….let them oppress car drivers, I’m ok…for now.
Pffffttt Onterrible …populated by stoopid self centered Inbreds who are turning the aggressive nanny state into a latex and leather dominatrix…”do you want another whipping you curs? Mistress Nanny thinks you’ve been a naughty little worm of a citizen.”
Just another chimpy mcliar smokescreen. Election day is drawing near, and no way in hell is that idiot going to let the facts get in the way of a propaganda program. Lay all of our problems at the feet of of a few citizens(pit bulls, fast cars, handguns) and all of the other problems might go away. Sadly for the librano morons, the real problems have encroached on the lives of too many citizens to be swept under the carpet. Plant closings, shortage of family doctors(still rising in eastern Ontario), declining tourism, contraband ciggys, crime(not just the trawna murders, petty crime is rampant) etc. Should make for good door-to-door come election time.
This is scary stuff. Seizing and crushing someone’s car because they might use it for street racing is like arresting someone because they might rob a bank. Welcome to the age of the Thought Police.
Gawd Bryant’s a moron. I used to think Smitherman was the biggest cretin in McGuinty’s cabinet, but this jackass takes the cake. Put a swastika on him and send him goosestepping around Queen’s Park for all the difference there is in his attitude compared to that of most totalitarians.
I do hope Ontarians will be smart enough to kick out the corrupt, lying pigs masquerading as politicians under McLiar’s misrule.
“Seizing and crushing”………you say, Noddyrules! For a moment I thought you were meaning……testicles! Would be much more effective in getting attention, don’t you think?
Always the same pattern
a press release instead of a policy
attacks on inanimate objects
a focus on controlling everyone rather than focus on people who are actually causing the problem
and a great smokescreen of moral posturing
This is the democracy of Canada? Holy cats. I just saw a great looking woman walk by me in a bikini in the 30C temp and thought she looked great. So…am I guilty of evil thoughts? She would have looked even better in a soft-top convertible. Whoooopppssss…illegal in Trawnan
must be some activist judge out there with a hankering for small block hemis AND keen to get to the supreme court with a Charter Rights violation case.
Who woulds figured the CR&F might be good for ordinary folks, not just activists & other leftoids.
I do wish they would ban noisy mufflers though.
I don’t get it. Are you saying that it’s okay with you if someone intends to break the law and that police shouldn’t be allowed to stop them before they commit the crime?
“I don’t get it. Are you saying that it’s okay with you if someone intends to break the law and that police shouldn’t be allowed to stop them before they commit the crime?
Posted by: Robert McClelland at July 28, 2007 2:28 PM ”
So I intend to slap you up side your silly Dipper head,in my mind,so that is a crime.Ummmmm…wish I was as pschyic as you Robert. Maybe you can take over JoJo’s job on late night TV??
I wonder what they are going to do about AMG tuned Mercedes Benzes with 676 hp from the factory and M Type BMW’s with 500+ horsepower. All it will take is a high brow lawyer to get his car crushed.
And McClelland, good god man, not everyone who tunes his car seeks to intentionally break the law. It’s quite a dysfunction to think the way you do.
So McClueless, does that mean you are in favour of rounding up some middle eastern imans, before they commit a crime?
LUNCH BUCKET LAWS: ONE PIECE AT A TIME
This is how they do it, one piece at a time.
Remember the Johnny Cash song where he stole the cars parts in his lunch bucket, “One Piece at a Time”, when he worked on the assembly line. So, years later, when he had all the parts he assembled the car, but nothing matched, and it looked like a joke.
Well, this is what the pols are doing, chipping away at liberties, one piece at a time, when nobody is looking. Out in their lunch bucket.
“I’d get it one piece at a time
And it wouldn’t cost me a dime
You’ll know it’s me when I come through your town
I’m gonna ride around in style
I’m gonna drive everybody wild
‘Cause I’ll have the only one there is a round.”
-Johhny Cash-
My own view is that Bryant’s claim is 100% political posturing; he and McGuinty, like all Liberals, have only one agenda. Winning and maintaining power. They are not interested in policies for the good of the citizens.
Therefore, since street racing has claimed quite a few innocent lives in Ontario- their answer is to – well…you’ve read what he intends to do. But can he actually take such a step, ie, proving intention-to-act before the action? I doubt it; it’s all pomp and blather to ‘appease’ the peasants, er, electorate. Remember, Liberals consider the electorate to live on beer and popcorn.
But take action? The most recent judicial decision in Toronto, about the actions of two wealthy young men who raced their cars up a city street – at speeds of 120km – and killed a taxicab driver who was two days away from his citizenship. Well- what did the judge do? She, a Liberal appointee, gave them each a year of house arrest – because, she said, they didn’t INTEND to kill the taxicab driver. Even though they were racing at 120 km in a 60 km zone. No intention to kill, therefore, you can race and speed all you want.
Bryant and McGuinty can posture all they want, because their words are totally empty. They won’t confront the judiciary – who let the speeders off because they had NO INTENTION of killing.
Equally dumb, the two of them want to ban handguns. Not ban crimes committed with handguns, but ban handguns. They claim that the gun crimes – and there are many, many gun crimes in Toronto – they claim that these crimes are due, not to the INTENTIONS of the gangs who shoot each other and innocent civilians. No, the INTENT to KILL is not at issue. What is at issue is where the guns come from…Here it comes! Blame the USA! The guns are coming from the USA! Evil USA.
Not evil gangs. After all, Bryant and Mcguinty totally ignore the INTENTIONS of these criminals to rob, harm, bully etc. Irrelevant. The only thing they focus on – is where the guns are walking in from;…these guns that walk up all by themselves, and arent’ purchased and used by Canadians.
And McClelland, good god man, not everyone who tunes his car seeks to intentionally break the law. It’s quite a dysfunction to think the way you do.
Of course not. Which is why it’s clearly stated that only those with intent to break the law will have their cars crushed.
And before anyone inevitably asks how the police will know if there is intent, they’ll do it the same way they do it whenever they arrest someone before they commit a crime; by conducting an investigation. It works quite well and you may be familiar with many examples of it happening; such as in conspiracy to commit murder, theft or an act of terrorism cases.
“I don’t get it. Are you saying that it’s okay with you if someone intends to break the law and that police shouldn’t be allowed to stop them before they commit the crime?”
Posted by: Robert McClelland at July 28, 2007 2:28 PM ”
You might have something there Mr. McClelland. Under that premise we could arrest almost all Liberal politicians before they get their hands on our tax money.
Start the countdown, Aug, 31 days, Sept 30 days, Oct 9 days. July 3 days. 73 days till Ont election. That will be the day of reckoning for Ont voters. Time to target the real idiots to be defeated, work in Bryants district.
Bring out the pic of him saying NO TAX increases, and all the other promises he broke. Make a donation to the conservatives. Only you can change the government. Canada will be watching come Oct 10, for the results.
The loss of liberty happens with singling-out and attacking one minority group at a time eventually affecting all, usually to the choreography of a (blind faith in) big government cheerleader like Robert.
OK, on my Chevy Trailblazer I have put a performance exhaust system from Magna Flow.
A helix carb spacer, mandrel bent fresh air tube and a high flow air cleaner, all from Airaid.
These all could be seen as “race parts.” I guess I need to avoid Ont. BTW, I now get 4 mpg better in the city and have over 30 more horses under the hood.
So my ride will be crushed because I am creating less GHG!!!
On the other hand, look out guys, you all have the right equipment and you may just start to use it at any time… So prepair to defend against Ontario charging you with sexual assault!!
Cheers
HaySeed
robert mcclelland – you can’t prove ‘intent to race a car on a city street’. Someone can ‘soup up their car’ but that doesn’t provide proof of any intention to ‘race on a city street’.
Bryant and McGuinty are posturing for the electorate. Kindly note that the judiciary also moved into the foggy realm of intentionality, when she let off the two men who had raced their cars on a city street and killed a taxicab driver – by claiming that they had no ‘intention to kill’. She could not claim that they had no intention to race – because they had done so. But, she effectively ignored this action by defining it as harmless.
Terrorism is illegal. Transforming a car to a race car is not illegal.
The police don’t arrest people prior to a theft; they don’t arrest people prior to a murder. Terrorism is completely different – it’s illegal to attempt to destroy the state.
Mr. McC:
The fact is that the criminal code already allows for arrest and prosecution for these types of crimes, but mere intent is insufficient. An ‘attempt,’ ie. ‘attempted dangerous driving,’ requires some positive act in furtherance of the crime. Thinking about breaking into your neighbor’s house isn’t a crime; being caught on the other side of the property line with burglar’s tools is. You need a combination of intent and positive action which is far easier to establish when we’re discussing glass cutters or shotguns sawed off in anticipation of a bank robbery than something as ubiquitous as a vehicle.
There can be no doubt that individuals who have modified their cars with no2 boosters or whatever might be committing an attempt, but the great difficulty is in establishing that they actually intended to drive recklessly and that their vehicle modifications were in furtherance of that goal. One could conceivably install a timing chip just for the hell of it, or modify a car that one also drives to work for spins around the local licensed track. The point is that establishing that kind of action + intent is extraordinarily difficult. I note that in your examples (conspiracy in both cases) you describe crimes that require some communication between parties to form the basis of the actus reus. This is not the case with street racers.
What garners the ire of those posting here is the fact that the AG is describing seizing property outside of an arrest or prosecution or, on the other hand, arresting individuals for either the possession of non-proscribed objects or on the basis of an expansion of the crim code definition of attempt that is frightening in its implications. Most here would agree that the way to deal with the problem of street racing is to strictly enforce and strictly punish these kinds of offenses. The provisions already exist: criminal negligence causing death can carry a maximum sentence of life, and criminal negligence causing bodily harm can result in ten years. The problem, as usual, is that judges are bound by precedent in sentencing criminals and the precedents thus far produce slaps on the wrist instead of deterrence. The idea, idealistic though it may be, is to extend to all law-abiding citizens the greatest possible sphere of personal freedom while bringing the Leviathan down on those who transgress. The problem with contemporary Canada is the fact that the state prefers to expend its resources on regulating the conduct of all instead of making a sufficiently metaphorically bloody example of the few.
It would be more clever by half if the provincial legislature decided to modify the Highway Traffic Act (which falls within their jurisdiction) to define a new category of offenses, but of course they’re limited to relatively light penalties in that case.
McG – who is not a lawyer yet, but give me a couple of years 🙂
if this keeps spoiled rich boys from drag racing on toronto’s streets while other citizens pay the price of their indulgence with their lives, well then…
crush ’em all!
if you need to cruise the streets in a souped-up dinky car while your pitbull polishes your shotgun in the backseat move to alberta where you belong.
they don’t arrest people prior to a murder.
Oh really?
Four Edmonton teens were charged with conspiracy to commit murder in a case in which tensions spiked in online chat rooms.
http://www.canada.com/edmonton/edmontonjournal/news/story.html?id=df0b36d5-0a11-45be-b82a-0fc6c893a340
People are arrested all the time for things they haven’t done but are intending to do.
Jeff it is in Trawna where people are shot every day, not alberta.
Another example of the top-down form of government at work. Unaccountable, and unelected ruling class oligarchs hell bent on their authoritarian ways.
Until Canada revolts and forms a republican form of government, just look forward to this type of thing getting worse and not better.
Power to the people!
This would be a great law if they were only going to crush Harleys with open pipes and Jap Crap with 5000 watt stereos.
I wonder how he’d react to being kicked in the balls, and then being told it was a preemptive measure to ensure he doesn’t rape anyone….
Notice in Alberts they don’t have a gun problem, nor a problem with separating fact from fiction.
first we crush your car
then we crush your nuts
then we crush your will.
the greenies should appreciate open exhaust and performance enhancements . it is more efficient , that is how it works.
alex,you cannot kick what does not exist.
So, if I slap a flow-thru muffler on my M3, I’m breaking the law?
Didn’t McG. show up for the launch of the new 600HP Challenger to gain a few automaker votes?
Who needs a fast car anyway?
Who need a handgun anyway?
Who needs a rifle anyway?
Who needs human rights anyway?
Who needs access to healthcare anyway?
Who needs choice anyway?
Who needs freedom anyway?
Who needs security anyway?
La slippery slope, courtesy of McLieberals in Ontario
Robert McClelland,
“People are arrested all the time for things they haven’t done but are intending to do.”
Please, start writing the truth for once.
The people you refer to were arrested for WHAT THEY HAD DONE – entered into a conspiracy to commit murder. Which is a crime, if you would bother to examine the Criminal Code. That’s what the charges are – not “intended murder”.
Get a brain, please.
“This is scary stuff. Seizing and crushing someone’s car because they might use it for street racing is like arresting someone because they might rob a bank.”
What you are describing is assumed guilt in absence of evidence….or guilt by association….these statist legal tenets are the hallmark of repressive communist and fascist regimes.
Should Mr, McGuinty or Bryant steal from me under such a premise I would be sure to extract the cost of the loss of my property from them 4 fold with or without the help of their kangaroo courts.
Dalton “Pinnochio” McGuinty and Michael “Kobe” Bryant are walking into lawsuit and charter challenge territory here. Seizing property without a proper just cause will conflict with the right for protection against unreasonable search and seizure. If a person is souping up their car, it does not mean that they are going to engage in street racing. Sooner or later, it will backfire on them if they go ahead.
Actually M1 this law breaks the charter guarntee to fundamental justice and resumed innocence and several other civil rights entrenched in commonlaw.
This statist bullying has gone far enough and the line must be drawn and those statist autocrats who cross it must be made an example of….trubcating rights and freedoms in Canada is an alarming common trend in all levels of government….it shows a basic lack of respect for the public.
Kleptocratic pigs like Bryant would be treated to a tar bath 100 years ago.
McLelland – the law says that people are presumed innocent until PROVEN guilty. There is absolutely no way that you can prove that someone who ‘soups us’ his car has any intention of racing it on a city street or any intention of killing someone.
People are NOT arrested for what they ‘intend to do’. Remember, even if you reject it, we have freedom of speech – and thought.
What has to be done is to increase the penalties for crimes committed. For example – that judge who utterly ignored that these two young men had broken the law, and raced/sped their cars in a 60km zone at speeds of 120km a zone – resulting in the deaht of another driver –
She let them off because she said they had NO INTENTION of killing anyone. They certainly had an INTENTION to race the cars, albeit an ad hoc rather than planned intent. She let them off. She should have imprisoned them.
Now, how is Bryant going to, with this type of judiciary – which accepts that the drivers say that they have NO INTENTION of killing someone as they race their cars – how is Bryant going to go into someone’s private garage and smash a parked car, because HE SAYS they have an INTENTION of racing it?
How does Bryant know this intention? Is he omnisicent? Is he clairvoyant? Is he just your ordinary mindreader of a Liberal Freak Show?
Whatever – this agenda is political posturing. There is no way that Bryant and McGuinty can carry out this nonsense; it’s for the press, for the beer and popcorn public. Certainly, not for the safety and security of the Ontario citizens.
People are NOT arrested for what they ‘intend to do’.
Et, yet again you’ve exposed yourself for the melonhead that you are. it’s called conspiracy.
Conspiracy to commit street racing? Bwahaha!!!
Mr Bryant clearly does not have the power to do as he suggests. Yet. However I’m sure that could change given a sufficiently determined legislative effort.
Should anyone doubt this, I direct your attention to our gun laws. Canadians in the 1950’s would laugh if you told them what the law would be now.
If McSquinty and company think there’s any mileage in going after street racers, pretty soon possessing an unlicensed turbo will get you the same jail time as an unlicensed Glock.
By the way, y’all might want to ignore McClelland. He’s a Lefty Dorkasaurus with intent to troll.