Canadian aboriginal leaders have for decades flown all over the globe eagerly denouncing this country’s human rights record against them.
What none has ever mentioned (at least none that I know of) is that aboriginal governments are themselves exempt from Canada’s most fundamental human rights laws.
The very rights violations they accuse non-native governments of, their own governments are unaccountable for.
Thanks to a “temporary” clause in the 1977 Canada Human Rights Act (CHRA), charges of bigotry, discrimination and harassment of the kind frequently levelled against non-aboriginal society cannot be brought against native councils and organizations.
After three decades of being shielded against the provisions of the CHRA, it is past time aboriginal governments were brought under the act’s mandate.
Equality cuts both ways.
Abe Lincoln once said that “he who would be no slave must consent to have no slave.” It works the same for aboriginals and human rights. The very rights aboriginals insist they be granted they must themselves be prepared to grant their own people — and be held accountable when they do not.
Not according to the opposition. Here’s a quote from Anita Neville, the Liberal aboriginal affairs critic that’s deserving of some sort of award;
“Human rights rammed down a community’s throats are not human rights,”
Since when, exactly?
Look at the deal just signed by the BC government with the Tsawwassen Band, nothing but trouble on the horizon. I would imagine the details are chilling for the ones owning property in the new Zimbabwe.
I heard this story while surfing radio channels on the drive home yesterday on CBCpravda, it started with a headline. Tories recall committee for human right for natives , then it was 4 minutes of liberals and natives bashing the idea using inane and insane examples like “human rights will require all native facilities to have wheelchair ramps” and we cant afford it .
It was CBCpravda at its best.
CBCpravda “All Liberal , All the time”
Glad you headlined this Kate.
In all the heady atmosphere of the political witch hunting the soviet-styled commissariat CHRC has done in politically cleansing dissent and select ideological enemies of the engineered society of the international progressive political order….we all failed to recognize that there is ample bigotry, racism, prejudice and uncivil malificence between the minorities the CHR uses as its justification for goody-goody busybody tyranny.
Fundamentalist Muslims loathe Jews and Homosexuals yet all 3 are deemed devoid of prejudice as the CHR attacks the Christian church fro its message of demouncing sin while loving the sinner….similarly the CHR protects the FN warrior’s right to engagege in terrorism and FN leadership to engage them in extortion and systemic kleptocracy as they too are deemed above suspicion of prejudicial malfeasance. Thus the CHRC and its supporters have sanctioned selective politically motivated intolerance.
When the politically cleansing gun of the HRC was pointed at the majority, native elders sang its praises at their pow wow campfires,…now that Native leadership and warrior institutions are held to the same standards they held the majority, they denounce these soviet styled CHR witch huntes.
Guilty consciences no doubt.
Toxic irony, and poisonous hypocrisy from both FN and the Opposition left.
Let’s all give Anita Neville a standing ovation – she just provided the basis for shutting down every human rights tribunal in Canada, possibly in the world. Mark this day on the calendar as the day that logic came back to governance.
/sarc
“Human rights rammed down a community’s throats are not human rights,”
Since when, exactly?
Since I got to vote on the charter….
Technically, is there a way for a person who was born in Canada, regardless of race, to claim aboriginal status? Wouldn’t a government argument against this be considered racist? Who gets to decide who is aboriginal and who isn’t? Just curious.
How would Ms. Neville judge Eisenhower’s actions at Little Rock?
http://www.nps.gov/history/nr/travel/civilrights/ak1.htm
“When Faubus did not restore order, President Eisenhower dispatched 101st Airborne Division paratroopers to Little Rock and put the Arkansas National Guard under federal command. By 3 a.m., soldiers surrounded the school, bayonets fixed.”
“The bands, many of them already impoverished, are also said to need time and money to brace for potential complaints that require them to provide housing, improved access to public buildings for the disabled, safe drinking water or education.”
Yes, it always comes down to more money, and time, I suppose, for corrupt leaders to get legal advice and cover up illegal activities.
The bands may be impoverished, but some Chiefs are being paid more than the PM of Canada.
Anita Neville said what many of us have thought for years. In a different context, I’d laud her courage and honesty. Not in this case though, bloody hypocrite!
“At present, Ottawa spends about $5,800 for every non-native man, woman and child, and nearly $20,000 for every native one.”
You wnat human rights?….pay me
You want the whining to go away?…Pay me
You want an end to systemic reserve poverty?…Pay me
I bet the Mafia wish they had such a well oiled shake down of the public purse.
maybe all the money spent on those airline tickets would fund those necessary wheelchair ramps . . .
“But it should be remembered, aboriginal governments have already had 30 years to get ready. Giving them 33 is not likely to improve their implementation.”
One wonders how much time is enough. Change may never be easy, but perhaps it should finally start. The government is giving the FN a catalyst to change.
Whatever else may be happening, the current structure isn’t working for natives.
Lorne Gunter is correct accountability cuts both ways. Maybe the CHRA will help clean up the most egregious of deficient native governance. Not every native government is deficient, but there are undoubtedly some that need to have the human rights fire lit under them.
Perhaps we will have less Davis Inlet debacles where a significant number of natives were getting ‘blasted’ on fuel fumes. Then countless millions are spent relocating the entire band.
What I hear from some of the opposition camps is that the practice of getting funding WITHOUT accountability is the preferred modus operandi.
Preserving the coveted nest is not the notion of answerable and accountable governance.
The natives know it and so do the opposition parties.
Cheers
I bet the Mafia wish they had such a well oiled shake down of the public purse
They do. It’s called municipal government. The payouts come in the form of public works contracts. At higher levels the payouts are made in cash in brown paper bags over grappa courtesy of the feds. There is some hope that the latter system has been recently compromised. The former continues. And our legal system has been stripped of the checks and balances to prevent it.
I often think that the prescribed ways for the public to deal with the abuses are not working.
“When The Moccasin Is On The Other Foot”
Indeed.
Yet another detail most leftists seem oblivious of is the fact natives are some of the most racist people in Canada.I believe hatred of the whiteman is strategically cultivated on most Canadian reserves.It feeds this national’victim’game they play for sympathy and profit.Also,we have many examples of chiefs abusing their own band members.
I think I see where the left is coming from though.They must honestly believe’redskins’are incapable of responsible behavior(They may actually have a point).
Why else would they NEVER ask it of them?
Condescending,politically-correct,bigotted assholes.Remember…..PC’ness is nothing more than a list of peoples it is permissible to hate,and a corresponding list peoples who must never be spoken badly of.
Defined purely by leftist’s own bigotries and self-loathing of course.
The longer I live here,the clearer it becomes that the left has NO interest in building a unified,cohesive nation where EVERYONE,despite race,religion,etc is equal…..they are trying to build a mini UN.
With the constant evidence of the Liberal’s self righteous and self serving sanctimony … how is it exactly that ANYONE supports these jackasses?
Funny how this story broke yesterday and it still isn’t posted at the Slop & Wail. If it does, somehow make it online there, comments will likely be closed. Just as they are at CTV.ca. Kinda reminds me of the part in Life of Brian.
NISUS WETTUS:
Next. Crucifixion?
PRISONER #1:
Yes.
NISUS:
Good. Out of the door. Line on the left. One cross each. Next. Crucifixion?
PRISONER #2:
Yes.
NISUS:
Good. Out of the door. Line on the left. One cross each. Next. Crucifixion?
MR. CHEEKY:
Ah, no. Freedom.
JAILER:
Hmm?
NISUS:
What?
MR. CHEEKY:
Eh, freedom for me. They said I hadn’t done anything, so I could go free and live on an island somewhere.
NISUS:
Oh. Oh, well, that’s jolly good. Well, off you go, then.
MR. CHEEKY:
Naa, I’m only pulling your leg. It’s crucifixion, really.
NISUS:
Oh, ho ho.
MR. CHEEKY:
Heh heh heh hehh.
NISUS:
I see. Uh, very good. Very good. Well, out of the door. One–
MR. CHEEKY:
Yeah. I know the way. Out of the door.
NISUS:
Line on–
MR. CHEEKY:
One cross each. Line on the left.
NISUS:
Line on the left.
MR. CHEEKY:
Heh heh.
NISUS:
Yes. Thank you. Crucifixion?
PRISONER #4:
Yes.
NISUS:
Good.
What do they mean, they can’t afford wheelchair ramps? Like they are paying for anything anyhow; it is the working class’s tax dollars they are spending, so the government will just cut them another fat cheque. Or are they talking about how wheelchair ramps will cut into their budget, and therefore, cut into their purchasing spanking-new, super-loaded, gas-guzzling 4×4’s.
How come nearly every decent, hard-working Native lives within communities and not on reserves? Make the whole lot of them conform, and the first order of business is to get a damn job.
As for natives hating the white man; they think we hate them, and we don’t; we just want them to pull their own weight, clean up their social problems, and quit expecting the rest of Canadians to carry them through life. Is that too much to ask? Glue anyone?
Anita Neville’s bizarre views on first nations peoples are accepted Liberal Party dogma, that’s why Gary Merasty left the party.
Gary knows that first nations changes need to be made to save the people, let hope he can get it done elsewhere, because he quickly realized he wouldn’t be able to get it done in the increasingly out of touch Liberal Party.
Nice try Darren!
Merasty ( your TV’s on the truck just pick it up after you vote) left because he has the opportunity to fill his boots with money’s now being delivered to infrastructure programs!
Trying to paint him as a saint using the idiot Neville’s bullshit as a background won’t work here!
Indian Reserves and all that go with them are the perfect model of the advanced welfare state, the noose that is progressively strangling Western Civilization’s historically brief experiment with liberty.
“pash the wine pleaje”!
“Human rights rammed down a community’s throats are not human rights,”
So tell me then: what exactly is the famous Charter of Rights (for approved victim groups) and Restraints (for everyone else)? Did we get to vote on that? Or are we supposed to be grateful that our betters, the social engineers and LPC-appointed judges rammed this down our throats for our greater good?
http://www.sen.parl.gc.ca/pcarney/english/SenatorPat/Aboriginal%20Women/bill_c31.htm
Native women have been fighting for equal rights for a long time. The above article is from 1985 and yet the Libs and Native Chiefs still say they haven’t had enough time. Sick. Too many pockets are being lined at the expense of Native women. I have to believe the Native men and the Liberals have a symbiotic relationship.
There both parasites George.
People that choose to live as wards of the gov’t deserve what they get. If those women want to live like women and not like squaws they should get off the damned reservation and get a job.
In fact, the whole lot of those useless freeloaders should take care of themselves. I am sick of it – I want my money back.
Red man speak with fu##ed tongue…
Red man speak with forked tongue.
Joanne said, “As for natives hating the white man; they think we hate them, and we don’t; we just want them to pull their own weight, clean up their social problems, and quit expecting the rest of Canadians to carry them through life. Is that too much to ask? Glue anyone?”
Wanting FN’s to pull their own weight is an example of exactly what Liberals and FN call “racism’. They say we cannot expect victims like FN’s to be like non-FN’s; thier victimhood trumps all else.
Noel Pearson is an Australian Aboriginal self professed leftist.
In this article he excoriates the left & liberals for keeping his people down – sound familiar?
“Leftist policies pave kids’ road to hell”
Link: http://www.tiny.cc/ezZCx
…WORK, is a four letter word.
“”Human rights rammed down a community’s throats are not human rights,””
for sure . . . the gay community would certainly agree with this piece of Liberal dogma
Any minute now we will hear – this is not in our oral history or tradition. BUT we are willing to study the proposal if the government funds it and promises to provide a budget for the study’s recommendations.
Indians in many ways are like the Muslims, they look to the twelfth century for solutions, and their adolescent males all believe they have been oppressed. In reality they have almost zero willingness to apply themselves to a worthwhile education, those that do seem to end up in the Indian industry (guvmint funded)
Unless Government cuts this unhealthy reliance on perpetual funding of all their wishes they will remain like the “Palestinians” – without hope, poverty stricken, living in hovels and angry.
any minute now it will be followed by the traditional Indian handshake. -palm up.
http://www.ctv.ca/servlet/ArticleNews/story/CTVNews/20070726/native_human_rights_070726/20070726?hub=Politics
The Lie-berals, chiefs and councils are afraid of the forensic audits that would undoubtedly occur should the rank and file band members get these rights.
Anita Neville hasn’t gotten over the fact that the Kelowna Accord, concocted by the desperate Libranos of Martin’s reign on it’s death bed, never made the grade with the Conservatives. She yapped endlessly in the House about the bloody thing.
Maybe Merasty will get work as a TV salesman.
If someone could enlighten me it would be appreciated. How did we come about to get these commissions? I believe they started in the 1980’s but do not recall the circumstances for their creation. Are they an outgrowth of the Charter of Rights and Freedoms?
Canadian aboriginals lived in peace and harmony with nature and each other prior to the coming of the white man. Nature provided for all their wants and needs, except satellite tv. There was abundance for all. The tribes were governed by trial elders and chiefs, a system of government dating from time immemorial. You may criticize the decisions tribal leaders make, based on your bourgeois so-called liberal democratic form of government, but that doesn’t cut any ice around here, buster! You are torturing the aboriginals. The best thing you could do is go back where you came from.
Overheard at the Department of Indian Affairs:
“I’ve been through so much crap, I’ve started huffing gas.”
Mystery Meat said:
“Canadian aboriginals lived in peace and harmony with nature and each other prior to the coming of the white man.” …-
Samuel Hearne:
“Near one of these, which he [Hearne] would call “Bloody Falls,” he [Hearne] was witness to a horrible massacre of Inuit by [Chipewyan] Matonabbee’s men, which would haunt him the rest of his life.” …-
SAMUEL HEARNE AND MATONABBEE’S TREK TO THE ARCTIC OCEAN
Samuel Hearne (1745 – 1792)
http://www.collectionscanada.ca/2/24/h24-1610-e.html
More:
“and on the sixth, came up with Matonabbee and his gang: after which we proceeded on together several days; when I found my new acquaintance, on all occasions, the most sociable, kind, and sensible Indian I had ever met with. He was a man well known and, as an Indian, of universal knowledge, and generally respected.” (Hearne 1795, 56)
Interesting, Mystery meat, there were no tribal
wars, the Indian wars didn’t happen? There were no such things as Indian Braves or Indian Warriors fighting against other Tribes?
Guess terms like War Dance or War Paint were purely ceremonial.
OMMAG
Good eye. Nice Zinger.
Mystery Meat said
“Canadian aboriginals lived in peace and harmony with nature and each other prior to the coming of the white man. Nature provided for all their wants and needs, except satellite tv. There was abundance for all. The tribes were governed by trial elders and chiefs, a system of government dating from time immemorial. You may criticize the decisions tribal leaders make, based on your bourgeois so-called liberal democratic form of government, but that doesn’t cut any ice around here, buster! You are torturing the aboriginals. The best thing you could do is go back where you came from.”
Well, why don’t those tribal elders with all that ancient knowledge use that abundant nature to drive us back to where we came from?
Or is your characterization of their ancestors’ existence bigoted and condescending?
Jim–you missed my point. The Native women have been fighting their leaders for years and yet the Chiefs say they have not had enough time to accept equal rights for women on the Reserve. It is the Chiefs that cause the devastating conditions on Reserves. Nepotism is rampant and the average Native, just like us, are out in the cold. The Chiefs out Liberal the Liberals.
I have a friend that is a Native social worker on a very rich Reserve. They cannot get one dime from the Chief to clean up the Reserve and make it liveable. And She is threatened if she tries to go public with this occurance. The Reserves don’t need more money, they need accountability. A Reserve is a microcosm of our own society.
Mystery meat, before the dreaded “White Man” showed up and ruined everything whom were the Neutral or Attawondron Indians roasting alive on the site of the graveyard in Chatham Ontario? Other fellow Indians they had captured in battle, that is who. Racism has been bred so deeply in the hearts of Canadians by our evolution based education system that we fail to see that the first migrants to the Americas were the same men and women as the later migrants.
More “noble savage” garbage from mystery meat. I hope he doesn’t choke when drinking his Koolaid too fast.
Shamrock, your sarcasm detector is broken. Take it to the shop.
“There were no tribal wars, the Indian wars didn’t happen? There were no such things as Indian Braves or Indian Warriors fighting against other Tribes?”
They absolutely did not happen. That stuff was made up by the white man to justify his persecution of the aboriginals. There is no credible evidence that any of that happened. All we have are anecdotal reports of unreliable or prejudiced “witnesses.”
Thank god for the Liberal Party– doing right by the abos.
“abo” is “Used as a disparaging term for an Australian Aborigine”; it is “Offensive Slang”.
See, http://www.thefreedictionary.com/Abo
So, we have the completely uniformed Mystery Meat, displaying his/hers/its complete ignorance of North American natives, while using offensive Australian slang. What do you think he/she/it calls Americans with an African ancestry?
Someone who knows as little as he/she/it and who uses language like he/she/it does is really just a troll, an uniformed, crude, offensive troll.
Anita Neville is clearly a good staunch Lefty, reads her catechism every day and all.
She’s saying the human rights of the individual are as nothing compared to the collective rights of the community the poor bastard is trapped in. The collective is what’s important. Perfect recitation from The Good Book (Marxist/Leninist version 2.05)
That’s what makes her a Lefty. And, its what makes Lefties idiots.
All we have are anecdotal reports of unreliable or prejudiced “witnesses.”
Which is all we have backing up the land claims, when you get down to it…
Monty Python’s Holy Grail contains all the wisdom in the universe. My apologies in advance, this a relatively poor transcript.
ARTHUR: Old woman!
DENNIS: Man!
ARTHUR: Old Man, sorry. What knight live in that castle over there?
DENNIS: I’m thirty seven.
ARTHUR: What?
DENNIS: I’m thirty seven — I’m not old!
ARTHUR: Well, I can’t just call you `Man’.
DENNIS: Well, you could say `Dennis’.
ARTHUR: Well, I didn’t know you were called `Dennis.’
DENNIS: Well, you didn’t bother to find out, did you?
ARTHUR: I did say sorry about the `old woman,’ but from the behind
you looked–
DENNIS: What I object to is you automatically treat me like an inferior!
ARTHUR: Well, I AM king…
DENNIS: Oh king, eh, very nice. An’ how’d you get that, eh? By
exploitin’ the workers — by ‘angin’ on to outdated imperialist dogma
which perpetuates the economic an’ social differences in our society!
If there’s ever going to be any progress–
WOMAN: Dennis, there’s some lovely filth down here. Oh — how d’you do?
ARTHUR: How do you do, good lady. I am Arthur, King of the Britons.
Who’s castle is that?
WOMAN: King of the who?
ARTHUR: The Britons.
WOMAN: Who are the Britons?
ARTHUR: Well, we all are. we’re all Britons and I am your king.
WOMAN: I didn’t know we had a king. I thought we were an autonomous
collective.
DENNIS: You’re fooling yourself. We’re living in a dictatorship.
A self-perpetuating autocracy in which the working classes–
WOMAN: Oh there you go, bringing class into it again.
DENNIS: That’s what it’s all about if only people would–
ARTHUR: Please, please good people. I am in haste. Who lives
in that castle?
WOMAN: No one live there.
ARTHUR: Then who is your lord?
WOMAN: We don’t have a lord.
ARTHUR: What?
DENNIS: I told you. We’re an anarcho-syndicalist commune. We take
it in turns to act as a sort of executive officer for the week.
ARTHUR: Yes.
DENNIS: But all the decision of that officer have to be ratified
at a special biweekly meeting.
ARTHUR: Yes, I see.
DENNIS: By a simple majority in the case of purely internal affairs,–
ARTHUR: Be quiet!
DENNIS: –but by a two-thirds majority in the case of more–
ARTHUR: Be quiet! I order you to be quiet!
WOMAN: Order, eh — who does he think he is?
ARTHUR: I am your king!
WOMAN: Well, I didn’t vote for you.
ARTHUR: You don’t vote for kings.
WOMAN: Well, ‘ow did you become king then?
ARTHUR: The Lady of the Lake,
[angels sing]
her arm clad in the purest shimmering samite, held aloft Excalibur
from the bosom of the water signifying by Divine Providence that I,
Arthur, was to carry Excalibur.
[singing stops]
That is why I am your king!
DENNIS: Listen — strange women lying in ponds distributing swords
is no basis for a system of government. Supreme executive power
derives from a mandate from the masses, not from some farcical
aquatic ceremony.
ARTHUR: Be quiet!
DENNIS: Well you can’t expect to wield supreme executive power
just ’cause some watery tart threw a sword at you!
ARTHUR: Shut up!
DENNIS: I mean, if I went around sayin’ I was an empereror just
because some moistened bint had lobbed a scimitar at me they’d
put me away!
ARTHUR: Shut up! Will you shut up!
DENNIS: Ah, now we see the violence inherent in the system.
ARTHUR: Shut up!
DENNIS: Oh! Come and see the violence inherent in the system!
HELP! HELP! I’m being repressed!
ARTHUR: Bloody peasant!
DENNIS: Oh, what a give away. Did you here that, did you here that,
eh? That’s what I’m on about — did you see him repressing me,
you saw it didn’t you?
http://www.sacred-texts.com/neu/mphg/mphg.htm
said it before will say it again. all laws have to apply to all canadians equally or the law is invalid.
Kate – cleanup in isle 2
george at July 27, 2007 8:30 PM