Big Blue Wave is following the HRC complaint against Free Dominion.
Now the details of the complaint are emerging.
The subject of the complaint is one Bill Whatcott, who has already been the target of complaints by other quasi-judicial tribunals. For instance, he was fined $17 500 for by the Saskatchewan Human Rights Tribunal for distributing flyers denouncing homosexual behaviour. SLIGHT CORRECTION: Whatcott was fined for photocopying a classified ad from a gay magazine which solicited boys for sex. Nevermind that could be illegal, he was still fined.
Mark Fournier has more on the complainant;
Marie-Line Gentes a wildlife biologist who studied at the University of Saskatchewan and now teaches at Vanier College in Quebec. She obviously has a serious hate on for Bill Whatcott and Free Dominion is caught in the crossfire.
The odd thing is she isn’t whining about what everyone would expect, she is whining on behalf of her poor Muslim brothers and sisters. I guess she figures they are too stupid to act on their own behalf so she will condescend to do it for them.
Some of the comments Gentes alleges to have violated her human rights:
04/24/06 “I can’t figure out why the homosexuals I ran into are on the side of the Muslims.
After all, Muslims who practice Sharia law tend to advocate beheading homosexuals.”
03/09/06 “I defy Islamic censorship and speak about what I believe is the truth about violent Islamism and its threat to religious liberty in Canada.”
No kidding.
I can’t figure out why women in academia are on the side of the Muslims, either. After all, Muslims who practice Sharia law tend to advocate executing women who learn to read, expose their ankles and appear in public in the presence of men who are not family members. I defy Islamic censorship and speak about what I believe is the truth about violent Islamism and its threat to womens’ liberty in Canada.
(Good enough?)
On further thought, it’s probably not.
White girls theyre pretty funny
Sometimes they drive me mad
Black girls just wanna get f*cked all night
I just dont have that much jam
That pretty much ought to do it.
Free Dominion’s Connie Wilkins will be interviewed by Michael Coren on CFRB on Sunday at 7:30 pm.
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Time to set up a legal defense fund…
Naturally, in this country, that would also be tantamount to being an ‘accessory after the fact’.
Thanks for the update Kate.
Brava Kate for your gutsy statement (as per Kathy’s suggestion).
Recall, a native Brit woman in the UK received a small settlement after complaining that she overhead two fellow employees complaining about immigration.
Which reminds me: this book might be worth getting:
“The Death of the Grown-up” by Diana West, mentioned at PowerLine:
powerlineblog.com/archives/018296.php
I don’t think this will go anywhere, but I’ll certainly contribute to a legal defence fund. A year or so ago I made a donation to Western Standard to help them with their defence against that Calgary imam who lodged a complaint with the Alberta Kangaroo Court after the publication of the Mo cartoons. Haven’t heard anything about it since.
In case people don’t know this: the complainant shoulders NO costs at all, no matter the outcome, while the “defendant” can face debilitating costs, no matter the outcome. State-subsidized harrassment.
I dunno, I keep hoping to hear about some dramatic developments in the realm of liberty in Canada like the shutting down of the gun registry and these Kangaroo Courts (which have gone way beyond what the promoters intended) but same old same old, I guess. PET lives?
I may not agree with this Bill fellow’s religious leanings, but I must give him credit for having the courage for standing up to the islamonutjobs. I love how he finishes his piece with instructions on where to send the hate mail, etc. This is the only way to deal with the so called “religion of peace”. Expose and call them on their s$%# every chance we get.
PS – I had the dis-pleasure of once facing the threat of a HRC process. But because I called my lawyer and the Toronto Sun, the whole thing magically went away. Idiots!
Amazing…Those who denounce throwing rocks at people’s heads are denounced for denouncing it!?!
Can’t HRC just be ignored?
What enforcement can they exercise?
Ive personally always wondered how Taliban Jack Layton can support Muslims and Taliban and such without offering to let them cut off half of his wife’s twixt the legs nether parts?
You should be able to Aaron, but I think it’s you against another government sponsored make work project. Who on high really wants to end that, I know I’m starting to wonder? Aaron there are loads of bureaucrats wandering about only to happy to rain on your parade and justifying their existence, in my work I swear I think it gets some of them off.
So let me get this straight; the Islamofascists are upstanding law-abiding citizens for advocating the stoning or beheading of gays, the mutilation of little girls and the oppression of women, and the complainee is a fascist, racist bigot for pointing it out?
I’m hoping most of the post on Islam here are not reflective of the general public….
She has been trained in a second class Canadian University and lectures in parasitology.
Obviously she knows of what she speaks and is testing a thesis on how to exist as a parasite on a malleable almost Marxist society.
Making third party claims in the hope of scoring $20,00 or so.
Thanks for staying on top of this, Kate.
SAD: I am hoping that one day the general public wakes up and and becomes reflective of what is posted here regarding extremist islamists. Whether you like it or not, they are our sworn(they do the swearing)enemies.
kingstonlad, the public will never wake up. we will have all out war here before the fools are brought to realize their folly. we will have to fight our own to keep them free.
Dear “Sad” (aw, goo goo):
I’m hoping the stuff I hear Muslim radicals say, about beheading us and instituting sharia law etc. are “not reflective of the general Muslim public.”
But with each passing day I find it harder and harder to maintain that hope.
http://www.wnd.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=56751
Posted by: Me No Dhimmi at July 21, 2007 9:48 PM
“In case people don’t know this: the complainant shoulders NO costs at all, no matter the outcome, while the “defendant” can face debilitating costs, no matter the outcome. State-subsidized harrassment.”
Perhaps it’s time for a few good souls to truck on down to a wharf on the waterfront in Toronto and throw some tea into the harbor? 😉
Why don’t people just ignore these letters when they get them? Seriously, the HRC aren’t the cops. They’re more like the old Ontario Censor Board or something. Who cares what they think?
We are seeing another fine example of why our “Charter of Right and Freedoms” is so worthless.
I have read the old Soviet Union’s constitution. No kidding – it looks very similar to our own. All of the same rights that we see in our Charter are there (freedom of expression and all). I think religion is the only one that they didn’t have.
But, just like with ours, there were a bunch of exceptions. The big one was along the same lines as the one we have about where rights can be curtailed by “reasonable limits prescribed by law as can be demonstrably justified in a free and democratic society”
So, the Communist Party would simply declare anything they didn’t like as being a “justified” restriction in their free and democratic society.
That is why the US Constitution is such a wonderful document. “Congress shall make no law…” has one hell of a stronger bite than our own little ‘we will pat you on the head and tell you that you have rights – but these can be taken away at a whim because your intellectual betters say that they should.”
“Why don’t people just ignore these letters when they get them?”
If you need to ask this question you have an awful lot of reading to do.
http://lfpress.ca/newsstand/CityandRegion/2007/01/12/3320197-sun.html
http://www.chrt-tcdp.gc.ca/search/view_html.asp?doid=705&lg=_e&isruling=0
http://www.canadianfreespeech.com/portal/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=110&Itemid=46
To answer your question, the guy in the case cited above tried ignoring a CHRC ruling that he quit criticizing multiculturalism on the internet. He’s in solitary confinement now.
The US constitution is indeed a wonderful document. It however does no good if the US government ignores it. This unfortunately in increasingly blatant amounts is the case. In Canada we have had a slow deterioration of our basic freedoms for decades. The current hate laws are just the latest manifestation of a larger government looking for a meaningful purpose. They take your money by force (taxes) and then use it against you and free speech.
Can you say Leftist Mental Disorder?
The HRC should be scrapped, total waste of money, this type of frivolity is a patent waste of resources and time.
I’m inclined to think like you, Kathy.
There’s a terrier club in Canada that has had a complaint filed against it by a Nova Scotia breeder whose application was denied because she couldn’t provide the required sponsors.
She took it to the HRC alleging discrimination – she’s black. Never mind that there’s no place on the mailed in form asking for a photo or one’s race…
Right. I mean: why not just treat a letter like this like you would an envelope from Publisher’s Clearing House?
Who are these people? I don’t recognize their authority over me. I didn’t vote for them.
Why do people even respond when they get these summons or whatever they are? Am I the only person (besides Kate) who would just shrug and toss it in the shredder?
That strikes me as the real jujitzu thing to do, rather than giving the HRC more power by going along with the charade.
Kate: I can’t figure out why women in academia are on the side of the Muslims, either. After all, Muslims who practice Sharia law tend to advocate executing women who learn to read, expose their ankles and appear in public in the presence of men who are not family members. I defy Islamic censorship and speak about what I believe is the truth about violent Islamism and its threat to womens’ liberty in Canada.
What this “woman in academia” is taking issue with is the treatment of “Muslims” as though they’re a monolithic group. Take your above statement. In three sentences, you go from “Muslims” to “Muslims who practice Sharia law” to “violent Islamism,” leaving the impression that the three are interchangeable.
This is demonstrably untrue. Just as there’s substantial diversity among followers of Christianity, so too with followers of Islam (and Judaism, and Hinduism…). Of course there are hardliners and fundamentalist leaders, but I suspect that most “run-of-the-mill” Christians, Muslims, Jews, Hindus, etc. don’t live their day-to-day lives in accordance with a strict and literal interpretation of their respective faiths. More likely, there’s great variation in the degree to which religion influences their mundane, everyday choices and routines.
Already, many Muslim Canadians complain that they’re threatened into silence by the more radical elements within their own communities. It doesn’t help if outsiders demand that “moderate Muslims” speak out against extremism, on the one hand, while also indiscriminately lumping them together with those same extremist factions, on the other.
Even from a pure national security perspective, such “moderates” could serve as key allies by acting as the “eyes and ears” within the Muslim community. But the incentives to cooperate would be greatly lowered if they thought (as many currently do now) that wider Canadian society views them as no different from radical Islamists and terrorists).
For the record, I think the complaint to the CHRC is rather frivolous. I’m not advocating censorship or the denial of free speech. If you wish to engage in/condon generalizations and careless language about “Muslims,” that’s your prerogative. But you may wish to consider the possibility that, by doing so, you contribute in a small but real way to the problem.
Jesus A’dam, you’re thick.
This is an obvious personal vendetta between the leftoid flake and Bill Wallcott….trying to get at him through Free Dominion took an impossible streach of reasoning that I’m sure even the dystopian CHRC will avoid.
This one will go no where….but I will support any legal fund for Connie and Mark to go after this flake in a civil action and retrieve their legal costs.
“To answer your question, the guy in the case cited above tried ignoring a CHRC ruling that he quit criticizing multiculturalism on the internet. He’s in solitary confinement now.”
Hey Andy….can’t you just feel the love and tolerance of the left utopia in that move?
{personally I would ignore them by standing mute…if they can incarcerate you by simply standing mute to any call to a flakey tribunal with no constitutional right to make rulings on charter rights or provide criminal penalty…then it just proves the point that the CHRC is a quasi judicial tribunal that operates outside the oversight of fundamental justice as guaranteed in the charter and provided only in the legitimate courts.
As such its authority should not be recognized by any Citizen who values his charter legal rights and the legitimate rule of law.
I certainly agree with Kathy and Kate but I’m afraid when your in their sights , your guilty , your looked down upon, and your just a problem in Utopia. This crap is our form of a gulag without really leaving home.
This isn’t much different then a kid saying their dad is aggressive in school just because it works in their favor,not because they have been beaten or seriously mistreated but because his or her life isn’t fair – “a whole world of this can go easy or hard” suddenly appears on your front porch, and you have to decide if you lay it all on the line for whats right , or surrender and live with the insanity of it all.
Really how many people really care anymore when someone displays some guts? One here one there , until it gets bad enough a crowd forms and something really changes for the better (hopefully).
I’m not saying to be fear full , or its hopeless but its way more of a juggernaut in many ways than people realize, and it won’t go away throwing notices in the garbage- a noble act but fruitless.
Adam everyone has idiots in their communities most chose not to party or associate with them.
It’s also funny that its racist to generalize but when agency’s like the HRC mobilize everyone on the receiving end are perceived as guilty, and basic respect is basically left on the wayside.
Related, and an explanation of the mindset:
http://www.doggerelparty.ca/2007/07/liberals-speaking-relatively.html
“For example, without using relativism, how could someone (rightly) believe that the Catholic Church and Catholics in general should be held accountable for the actions of pedophile priests, while simultaneously condemning the suggestion that Islam and Moslems be held accountable for their followers flying planes into buildings.”
h/t, neo at http://hallsofmacadamia.blogspot.com/
Kathy said: “Who are these people? I don’t recognize their authority over me. I didn’t vote for them.”
They are a machination of the social engineers in the bowels of the bureaucracy.
They have created a quasi-legal star chanber tribunal where the normal legal protections do not exist for a defendant…there is presumed guilt…just responding to them gives assumsit validity. Reverse onus, lack of due process…no jury, lack of crimal defense with the posibility of criminal penalty, legitimate rules of evidence do not apply…complaintant need not prove concrete damage…..this is a mechanism to essentially silence anyone who may speak out against the social engineered policies of the utopian left…..amy of which do an end run aroung the rule of law and constitutional/legitimate court oversight.
Who are these kangaroos on the CRGC accountable to? Who will kick their ass when they make bad/wrong/unjust/unconstitutional descisions and policies…I’m not talking about an appeal process…I’m talking about personal responsibility for frigging up someone’s life with their asinine witch hunts.
O would refuse to be dragged into their star chamber kangaroo trials…I would challenge them to make a information with the police and have the complaint investigated and a charge laid ny a crown prosecutor…IF the complain would not hold up in a legitimate court ( IE: lack of evidence to charge) then why in hell would I submit myself to some self styled parallel bizzaro “trial” system which does not respect my charter rights or the rules of fundamental justices as guaranteed by the charter?
I’ll never understand people who consider solitary confinement punishment. Sounds like heaven to me. Where do I sign up?
And actually, millions of Catholics DO believe that they must speak out against pedophile priests (who make up an estimated 0.1% of priests.) When the American crisis was at its peak a few years ago, I spent hours on the web each day, visiting the approx. 100 blogs set up by distressed and angry Catholics left and right, condemning the Church bureaucracy that enabled these crimes. Should we refuse to put money in the collection plate? Should we picked the archdiocese? Etc.
American Catholicism is arguable stronger now because so many lay Catholics debated, condemned and grieved in public about these horrible crimes, and wondered what they could and should have done to stop them. Guilt is a Catholic thing, after all 🙂
If anyone can find hundreds of similar blogs by Muslims condemning all violence in the name of Allah, please send me the urls. I said hundreds, not five.
I believe Andrew is right. You CANNOT ignore them. From my perspective in the investment business: I’m regulated by a securities commission: they make laws (literally); investigate breaches, make judgments, and decide on the punishments.
ACHTUNG. Never ignore the regulators — ever. Fill in the forms, answer the letters, string them along, delay, play games, but do not ignore. EVER.
You are in for a huge disappointment if you take the proud but nutty view: “I don’t recognize their authority.”
Don’t hate me for saying this: but be respectful and obsequious too. Hell hath no fury worse than a regulator ignored. They know deep down what they do is worthless and therefore will react violently if reminded.
You are in for a huge disappointment if you take the proud but nutty view: “I don’t recognize their authority.”
You right, but isn’t that a sad statement especially the bonkers part?
Where is the limit of their authority whether it be a regulator in the securities business, a safetey inspector from the labor board,or a human rights crony? I hear guys say the same thing all the time,it’s all BS but “just agree” for the very reason you state it’s a “Who is John Galt?” moment.
It can be pretty demoralizing listening to an owner of a multi million dollar construction company complain about all the new ridiculous rules then just shrug his shoulders knowing full well many of them border on insanity.It seems there is no one at the top of these bureaucracy’s that is willing to say wait a minute this is getting ridiculous.
What is more nuts, being willing to carry water with a sieve, or saying no way this is just plain a waste of time?
Are you sure you’re No Dhimmi? You sound pretty timid to me. We’re not talking the Securities and Exchange commission, just a bunch of goofs.
I’ll pass on your advice if and when I need it.
Democracy is built on the principle of the citizenry interested in increasing the living standards in the country thru hard working, enterprise and culture. Islam is incompatible with those principles, as it is based on supermacy of one religion at the cost of slaughtering followers of every other religion who disagree. These two things don’t work together.
Allowing muslims to come here and alter our laws and ways of life to suit their religion is suicidal for the democracy. Basically, once they are already here, we cannot continue to apply the old principles of democracy to them as well as we did apply them to ourselves for a few hundred years. This is just apples and oranges.
Mugs: Oh, I never said it wasn’t a sad statement! But I’m not into martyrdom, and unlike Ms. Shaidle I’m not into solitary confinement.
Kathy: Well, no I’m not sure, just using an anaology from my own business experience going back to when you were 15 in 1979 (am I close?).
Timid? Well, in fact I’m a scrapper who has learned to understand power and how it works, i.e., when and how to be timid. Shall I dub it: tactical aggressive timidity?
And be sure, I never said they weren’t goofs!!!
Um, I had my business shut down once when both of my daughters were in out of country universities mostly funded by me. On a technicality probably revealed by a jealous competitor. It got sorted out quickly with the help of a securities lawyer and at very minor cost. A truly terrfying experience.
Maybe HRC is not the same, but I wouldn’t just casually bet on this.
Goofs? Well, that’s what makes them so dangerous!
Kathy, I’m just as afraid of radical christians who call for the killing of homosexuals and believe it is okay to blow up abortion clinics. Maybe, we should fear radical Christians? Or maybe we could recognize that by far the majority of any religion are good peopl.e
As to Islam and Ilamofacists;not all Russians were KGB Communists,not all Germans were gestapo, but what all Russians and all Germans were,they had no defense against these thugs.The courts upheld laws to protect these agencies withbrutal force,transgressers against the state agencies were treated worse than hardened criminals (they were interred together as part of the punishment),and all forms of defence were first confiscated so that no uprising was possible.Muslims are in the same boat.
Oh, this is interesting: the complaint filed the complaint June 4, 2006, meaning there is a year plus lag between a complaint getting filed and the defendant hearing about it. So for those of you who have just been given ‘er 24/7 for the past year to get one of these complaint thingies your wish may come sooner than you think.
spike 1 – Germans voted in Hitler and his party. Except for a few, they were accessories, not victims. ‘Pure-bred’ Germans allowed the Nazis to invade, kill and destroy with barely a murmur. Moderate Muslims should learn from history. As should the nations of the world.
And Sad… name 10 – worldwide. The facts don’t support your idiotic claims.
Who are the judges/justices that are on the Sask. Human Rights Tribunals? What are their names? Who is the top bureaucrats that oversee it’s operations (by this I don’t mean the minister but rather the top 3 or 4 paper shufflers). What is the office phone number? These are all questions that could be useful.
For evil to triumph,it just needs good men,and women,to do nothing.Kudos to these two good women. Gellen;Hitler persuaded Hindenburg to sign a law “for the protection of the people and the state” which allowed him to jail anyone without trial.The end result was that the gestapo could jail or shoot anyone being opposed to his regime.
Gallen it is not idiotic since it has happened before and will continue to happen. Does not matter if it is worldwide or at home. Actions are actions.
You have the army of god, Timothy McVeigh, National Liberation Front of Tripura, Lord’s Resistance Army.
This kind of thing happens fairly frequently to sites on both the far right and the far left. Someone complains and someone else is obliged to investigate. Usually nothing comes of it – don’t get your knickers in a twist.
Thank “God” (sorry to offend any of my Canadian brothers or sisters — you guys are the best neighbors possible and I respect Canada…. )but at this time I’m glad to be an American — can’t believe you have been duped into this type of argument and problem from your political system. I hope your politicians can figure it out — and soon. God Bless Canada. I sure hope I can still visit you in Canada for a good fishing trip — perhaps I’ll be on a terrorist list and be denied entrance. …Orlin from Marquette Michigan.
To note I do not, as a Christian, condone killing anyone.
@Andrew, WL Mackenzie Redux, Kathy Shaidle (and others):
There might be a crucial nuance in the case of that fellow that was put into solitary confinement. He might have gotten the six month for contempt of court by showing explicit contempt for the real court that the tribunal dragged him into.
If anyone here decides to go the ignore route and winds up in a real court – not a tribunal, but the real thing – I urge you to be very respectful while in there, and to make it clear that you consider a real court to be above any reproach by contrasting it to any HRC tribunal.
Doing so would give you good grounds for an appeal if railroaded by a real court in that scenario. You can save your complaints against any real court for the appeals process.
Test cases always have to be conducted with no procedural missteps, as the courts are well inured to criminals and scofflaws using ‘unjust’ as an excuse.
Sad,
Oh no, TIMOTHY MCVEIGH! Every leftist’s favourite Christian. Never mind that Timothy McVeigh’s paster kicked him out of the church for spouting his violent, unChristian opinions.
What, you didn’t know that, sad? Know why? Because according to the paster, every single time a reporter interviewed him and was told that, the reporter… hung up. Didn’t fit in with his template, or yours.
Never heard of those other groups, loser. They have a membership of, what, 50? I actually think one is a fictional group from an old Law & Order episode dude.
You. Are. A. Moron.
Oh and before you add the inevitable: the IRA was condemned by the Vatican and all decant Christians for decades, and the conflict in Northern Ireland was an ethnic land dispute, not a religious conflict.
Unlike you I don’t get my talking points from Daily Kos.
Sad, please tell me the details about these “radical” Christians who call for the killing of homosexuals. I’m waiting. Don’t say Fred Phelps; Phelps is no more a “Baptist” than I am and is actually a heretic in terms of Christian doctrine.
And again, don’t just type in a bunch of Law & Order episode recaps. Name five contemporary Christians who have called for the death of gays. Not criticized the gay rights movement, but called for their deaths.
You can’t because you are a retarded leftist dupe. What are you, 15? 16?
More abortion clinics have been blown up on TV crime dramas and in movies than in real life. And those clinic bombers are hunted down and brought to justice, as well as roundly condemned by real prolifers, the Pope etc.
Why not get angry about the millions of children actually killed in hundreds of non-blown-up abortion clinics? Oh wait: that congnitive dissonance would make your tiny head explode.
Go back to your Nintendo and leave the grown ups alone.