“You grew up in freedom, and so you can spit on freedom, because you don’t know what it is not to have freedom.” – Ayaan Hirsi Ali
Not quite parody but dangerously close. How can she be so disgustingly pro-American, he wonders, and yet so stridently anti-Islamic? Doesn’t she see that Islamists and “Christianists” are two sides of the same coin?
MWV file here if you have problems with the CBC version (34 megs).
Don’t miss the comments. It seems that having one’s genitals sliced half off in the name of Muslim purity, a colleague murdered in broad daylight in the street for the crime of criticizing Islam, living in hiding under armed guard, and being forced from your home by court order because your neighbors fear the jihadists who have pledged to kill you is insufficient personal experience from which to draw conclusions about the relative merits of Islam and America.
As one of the progressive CBC faithful so eloquently explains, Ayaan Hirsi Ali is little more than a “prized puppy”.
Or, to think of in another way – of about the same relative value under his belief system as the average Somali woman is entitled to under Sharia law.
You’ve come a long way, baby.
h/t.
(It was suggested I bump this item closer to page top so that readers don’t miss the Dennis Prager link below)
Update – Avi Lewis is becoming famouser by the minute…. developing….
“having one’s genitals sliced half off in the name of Muslim purity”
Genital mutilation has more to do with social customs than religion. For example:
Clitoridectomy involves the removal or splitting of the clitoral hood, termed “hoodectomy” (or “clitorodotomy”), with or without excision of the clitoris, see Diagram 1B. The clitoral hood is the female prepuce, homologous to the foreskin of the male. This term was devised in The Sudan by the Anglo-Sudanese administration in 1946 in an attempt to promote this “milder” form of FGC instead of the more severe Type III, infibulation or pharaonic circumcision, that was widely practiced.[8] Although labeled Sunna by Islamic advocates of the practice, most Muslim clergy oppose all forms of female genital cutting as it is viewed as a social custom, rather than a religious practice. According to Dr. Sami A. Aldeeb Abu-Salieh at the Swiss Institute of Comparative Law:
Islamic juridical logic cannot acknowledge the distinction between female and male circumcision, both being the mutilation of healthy organs which is damaging to the physical integrity of the child, whatever the underlying religious motivations. Furthermore, both practices violate the Koran: “Our Lord, You did not create all this in vain” (3:191), and “[He] perfected everything He created” (32:7).
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Female genital cutting is today mainly practiced in African countries. It is common in a band that stretches from Senegal in West Africa to Somalia on the East coast, as well as from Egypt (Who have just banned FGC[12]) in the north to Tanzania in the south, see Map. In these regions, it is estimated that more than 95% of all women have undergone this procedure. It is also practiced by some groups in the Arabian peninsula, especially among a minority (20%) in Yemen.[13]
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Female_genital_cutting
Regarding the Taliban treatment of women, that’s a social custom too, not a religious one:
While in power in Afghanistan, the Taliban became notorious internationally for their treatment of women. Their stated aim was to create “secure environments where the chasteness and dignity of women may once again be sacrosanct.” [3] The way women were treated was reportedly based on Pashtunwali beliefs about living in purdah.[4]
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Purdah or Pardaa (Persian/Urdu: پردہ, Hindi: पर्दा literally meaning “curtain”) is the practice of preventing men from seeing women. This takes two forms: physical segregation of the sexes, and the requirement for women to cover their bodies and conceal their form. Purdah exists in various forms in the Islamic world and in India.
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In historically Islamic Arab countries, such as Saudi Arabia, purdah is a custom with cultural rather than religious basis. Even in the United Arab Emirates, where women can wear skirts and similar modest garments, Arab women often observe purdah. It is important to differentiate between purdah and hijab. Hijab is an Islamic tradition that is based on physical and psychological morality, while purdah does not necessarily conform to Islamic teachings.
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Pashtunwali (Pashto: پختونوالی) is a concept of living for the Pashtun people (also known as Pathans), which dates back to pre-Islamic eras. Pashtunwali is also an honour-code and a non-written law.[1] Some people consider it as part of an ancient religion due to the fact that Pashtuns practiced the worshipping of one God only, while the nearby Hindus prayed to multiple gods. Among the Pashtuns in India, the practice is called Pathanwali.[2] It is practiced by Pashtuns in Pakhtunkhwa, Rohilkhand, and members of the Pashtun diaspora.[3]
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This is an ancient feudal tribal “code of honour” that belongs to the Central Asian landscape, particularly to Afghanistan and western Pakistan, which is still much enforced in those areas.
Being a Pashtun means an ancient traditional, spiritual, and communal identity tied to a specific set of rules, codes, and a linear record of history spanning over five thousand years
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pashtunwali
With all due respect Andrew, with those savages, the religion is the culture.
Check out how massive Avi’s head is compared to his puny shoulders. He clearly suffers from Giant Melon/Tiny Brain syndrome. Poor baby, he’ll just have to console himself with our tax dollars.
If the left will not support women like Hirsi Ali, who have been perscuted in their own countries, who will? is female emancipation only for white middle class women living in the Anex or Riverdale.
Poor, poor Avi… he comes across like a grade 9 student working for the school newspaper interviewing a university prof. Totally out of his depth.
For those of you who are keeping score at home, what Andrew attempted to do there was to distract this discussion from the substantive issues raised by Kate’s article. Whether or not he succeedes in his attempted use of that classic troll-baiting form depends on you, dear reader.
How bad is avi lewis? So bad that Simpson of the Globe once criticized the CBC for giving him a curent affairs show. I remember he referred to him as “this grinning young man.”
And that giant head; sort of a jack o’ lantern effect, without the light inside.
Then why are lots of Imams shouting that immodest dress is un-Islamic and a sign of western decadence? See Hilali of “uncovered meat” fame in Australia for a recent example.
Ah, Avi. Has he ever met an opinion other than his with anything other than airy disdain. The man truly does not belive that you can come to America and make something for yourself. And you cannot get into office without millions of dollars and connections. Bobby Jindal should give him a call. Let’s develop a list of US politicians who are immigrants or the children of immigrants of modest means. House, Senate or Governor. Arnie Doesn’t count.
I can think of Mike Dukakis and Bobby Jindal but there must be many more.
And we all know connections and money taint you, says the son of a famed diplomat and journalist mother.
Here’s an idea. A two pronged approach for the satisfaction of any rational person:
1. A deserved, necessary and rational moratorium on Muslim immigration.
2. Deport the leftists to Saudi Arabia. If they won’t take them, a derelict boat in the middle of the Atlantic Ocean can be arranged, from where they can appeal to the Muslim Nations to take them in as victims of a humanitarian crisis.
Avi wanted to know if she got the cliche’s about America i a school only because he got his left wing cliches from a book, likely written by his partner or one of his parents.
I cannot believe we, the taxpayer, keep employing this annoying shitzu of a person. I just kept hiping there was something he said that I couldnt have predicted
And the whoa whoa whoa….wtf was that? Is Avi trying to be Stephen Colbert? What a din*
Most staggering to me is the depth of Avi Lewis’ leftist idealism, moral bankruptcy and unabashed anti-Americanism.
To him, islamists and evangelical Christians are morally equivalent, islam is perfectly analagous to any other world religion, America is a theocracy when Republicans rule the roost, and America is not a land of freedom and opportunity with an established rule of law.
And to think he gets to spout this leftist crap on the taxpayer dime. My blood, it boils.
It is indeed sad when people’s lives become chatter fodder for the ignorant who think that life does not have relevance beyond the cliches they so casually toss back and forth. Avi thinks that the truths he is hearing from Ayaan are cliches because all he hears from his compadres are cliches.
How did she not choke the s*%t out of that pencil necked little ponce? That woman has steel in her!
stephen Reeves, didn’t you know? Of course the rules only apply to those born in NA or Europe.
110,000 Canadians can die for Europe, but 66 is FAR too many for those brown people. That is “logic” they profess without even knowing it.
“Most staggering to me is the depth of Avi Lewis’ leftist idealism, moral bankruptcy and unabashed anti-Americanism”
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Most staggering to me is that I have to pay for that crap. Please, please, please privatize the CBC. NOW!!!
When I saw this at Hot Air I wanted to comment on it and tell the readers a bit about Avi Lewis, but alas, I always manage to miss the brief little windows when Michelle Malkin opens up the registration.
That this man and his dizty wife, Naomi Klein, can get so much media attention in the country, is pathetic.
On a brighter note, I noticed on Hot Air just now that George Galloway, a kindred spirit to Avi Lewis, has been suspended from the British parliament over his illict deals with Saddam Hussein in the oil-for-food scandal.
Jim, you make a good point. I never thought of it that way. Canada has sent hundreds of thousands of it citizens to die in Europe, yet is it a great crisis when a few Canadian troops die in the ME. I knew the majority of leftard morons were very bigoted individuals. But reading it in that context, they are very racist as well. The pathetic part is up to one third of those soldiers would have died in training, or on other missions. One just has to do a little research to see that Canadian troops have been dying overseas since WW1. Once again, the leftards show what intolerant boobs they are. GO ARMY!
Irwin says: “1. A deserved, necessary and rational moratorium on Muslim immigration.”
Muslims in Canada tend to be highly educated, more educated than Catholics by some measures, and have strong family units and low rates of drug and alcohol abuse and obesity.
Given the relatively low success in Canada of other groups such as Jamaicans and Haitians, and the positive data for Muslims, it is illogical to ban Muslim immigration.
“With all due respect Andrew, with those savages, the religion is the culture.”
Kingstonlad,
This Avi Lewis bootlicker deserves no respect. On the contrary this Islamist, or Islamic apologist deserves nothing more than a derelict boat in the middle of the Atlantic Ocean with its occupants begging for asylum in Saudi Arabia (offered in an earlier post.)
Wait a second. …nothing more than the derelict boat….with holes…and a torpedo headed in their direction.
I am aware of Ayaan Hirsi Ali!
Good story.
Frankly I couldn’t stomach the Avi Lewis site any longer than I realized where I had logged into .
It’s not rage as much as indignation and revulsion that I suffer as a Canadian, having my taxes coerced by the state to fund Canadian arbortoriums, the CBC, Avi Lewis and his lefty cohorts that flourish within the CBC.
How does one without media access disavow the leftist papp that emanates from that boar’s nest?
As I said, Islamist or apologist.
The ONLY enemies this country and its citizens currently have are people of Muslim faith.
How does that logic grab you Andrew – by the hair as a machete scythes through your neck?
Very strict background checks on potential muslim immigrants is warranted and close survellance (sp?) of native-born muslims is as well especially in light of the recent arrests in New Jersey.
Andrew: “Muslims in Canada tend to be highly educated, more educated than Catholics by some measures …”
Lots of doctors?
“Christianists,” oh, oh and “rightists.”
Are these ‘people’ devoid of original thought, or are they parrots?
Mimic the thought leaders, small minds. It is your only hope.
Can Lewis not get a job on his own? Why am I footing the bill for his career, in form or another, at the CBC?
Never thought I’d live to see the day that the left wing defends the genital mutilation of womyn…
I guess they hate America more than anything.
From the statements and doing of CBC a conclusion can be derived, without religious meaning, that the corporation is the embodiment of Antichrist.
I don’t mind Avi having a show ( whats he on now, his third?) but why can’t somebody from the right side of the aisle get 60 minutes of CBC prime time real estate?
Haha!
http://no-libs.com/?p=1866
Keep the comments rollin’ folks. Who doesn’t love irrational anti-Americanism on hideous leftist display?
From where I’m standing, Gord Tulk, it’s dickless careerist fake conservatives born prior to 1964 like you who are the biggest enemy this country faces.
You opened the gate, retard, and if anyone should be booted out of this country it is you and your penile-challenged comrades.
andrew, for heaven’s sake, there’s more to knowledge than is found in wikipedia.
If I recall correctly, female mutiliation was originally an ancient practice in Africa, developed among nomadic tribes, where the women would be left for long periods alone with the children and elders – while the men took the herds out for migratory grazing and water. Most of these tribes eventually became Islamic – remember, Islam is a pastoral nomadic ideology. So, the practice began, first, in the economic and social context of the tribal pastoral economy in Africa, and then, moved into the Islamic ideology afterwards.
Now, just like the hijab and burka, it’s become part of ‘being Islamic’ when none of this, originally, has anything to do with the religion.
However, the point of the thread, if I understand it correctly – sorry, I can’t handle watching Avi Lewis – is the close ties the left has with Islamic fascism.
Both of them, actually, have similar ideologies – utopian, focus on violence as a means of attaining utopia, rejection of individualism, collectivist, rejection of reason, focus on homogeneity of results, anti-capitalist, anti-democratic, focus on authoritarian welfare statist gov’t and of course, anti-American. The left and the islamic fascists – very similar.
The West has to stand up and reject this, as they did German/Italian fascism and communism, and all Islamic fascist practices. That will help Muslims reject it as well.
As for Avi Lewis – what is distressing is how much influence these types have in our MSM, in our academic world, in our civil service. They are paid by gov’t jobs and yet, are contemptuous of democracy. Oh well – they aren’t going to change.
However, I continue to disagree with those on this site who equate Islam with evil and reject all Muslims. Islam is not equivalent to Islamic fascism.
It’s ’bout time to drop some FatBoy Slim beats on that video…
“why can’t somebody from the right side of the aisle get 60 minutes of CBC prime time real estate?” GOOD QUESTION!!! It is so patently obvious that CBC needs to incorporate a bit of political balance into its programming. I nominate Ezra Levant as a host for “Right Thinking” or “Right On”. As a taxpayer, I would find a bit of fairness to be quite refreshing. Who knows, a right focussed political show might even improve the CBC ratings. It would capture all those folks who NEVER watch the CBC because of its bias, and I’ll bet lots of the left would watch such a thing also just for the entertainment factor.
I think it would require a major soul searching effort to find anyone at the CBC to interview Ezra Levant with any kind of respect, and without constantly trying to ridicule his responses.
I think, it is far beyond them.
far.
“Islam is not equivalent to Islamic fascism”
Oh, but it is ET. You should look into it beyond the facile conclusions that you’ve drawn. I’m surprised.
Violence is foundational to Islam, remember.
The only good Muslim is an apostate. Like Hirsi Ali.
ET and Gord Tulk:
Please read what Vituvius wrote at 7:52 PM which follows:
“For those of you who are keeping score at home, what Andrew attempted to do there was to distract this discussion from the substantive issues raised by Kate’s article. Whether or not he succeedes in his attempted use of that classic troll-baiting form depends on you, dear reader”.
Please don’t feed the troll.
How come all of the CBC’s opinion journalists are ex-VJ’s from MuchMusic?
This fall, it’s “Why America is Evil” with Rick the Temp.
Andrew makes some good points in the first comment.
I’m opposed to circumcision. I think it’s a backward practice, an assault on a child.
Yet I respect religious freedom and am a supporter of Israel and the Jews’ right to self-determination, existence, etc.
I certainly oppose female circumcision too, but for almost the same reason. Cutting perfectly healthy genitals is nuts.
They both tend to reduce sexual pleasure in the victims when they become adults, obviously one much more than the other. They both can cause complications.
However, morally and logically, I can’t call one worse than the other. Physically, perhaps, but not ethically.
How is it right to cut off the foreskin but not the labia? Or clitoris?
Let’s pretend there was a baby in front of a person. I could see several normal thoughts like, “I wonder if the baby is hungry?” “Ah, cute baby!” “Gee, will this baby ever stop crying?”
So far, so good.
But, “I know, I’ll cut off part of the baby’s genitals!” I just don’t understand.
I mean, the entire thing to me is hideous.
As far as Islam itself goes, it’s fair to say I disagree with its precepts including subjucating others, myself included, by force.
I will always oppose it for this and other reasons.
But it is fair to say most Muslims don’t believe in genital mutilation whereas most Jews, who I more often support on other issues, do.
An interesting paradox.
maybe they can use them as hospital trays.
http://www.cbc.ca/technology/story/2007/07/13/laptop-children.html?ref=rss
CBCpravda , “All lunacy, All of the time”
“All lunacy, All on your dime”
Incidentally, Ayaan Hirsi Ali is one of my heroes. I was making a different point.
For anybody to give creedence, let alone reverence to the secretions of the Arab mind, Mohammad; who gave birth to and succeeded in spreading his delusions, in order for himself to gain power, plunder and and a harem of women, under the distorted guise of an amalgamation of plagiarised and misconstrued religious texts and beliefs; even going so far as to appoint himself, a gentile, to the an exclusive list of otherwise Jewish prophets, is insanity.
It is better for Islam to be ridiculed, than to be considered in any way shape or form, legitimate.
G’night
CBC does not need a 60 minute right wing show, that would only legitimize the other 167 hours per week of left wing dogma. CBC needs to be disbanded, right now.
Bev Oda act now!
I just watched the video interview between Ms. Ayaan Hirsi Ali and Mr. Avi Lewis. I was somewhat aware of her history, an interesting lady. Mr. Lewis was different, I read somwhere he supposedly won the gene pool. That’s laughable, he’s a twit like his father. Although I would have to give his father some credit for different successes.
The kid is a moron. I am emailing CBC right now to file a complaint, he was an embarrassing waste of taxpayer money.
I just watched the video interview between Ms. Ayaan Hirsi Ali and Mr. Avi Lewis. I was somewhat aware of her history, an interesting lady. Mr. Lewis was different, I read somwhere he supposedly won the gene pool. That’s laughable, he’s a twit like his father. Although I would have to give his father some credit for different successes.
The kid is a moron. I am emailing CBC right now to file a complaint, he was an embarrassing waste of taxpayer money.
Avi Lewis – part of the so-called Canadian intelligensia…Hirsi Ali made freakin’ mincemeat out of him. It’s like shooting fish in a barrel.
“You grew up in freedom, and so you can spit on freedom, because you don’t know what it is not to have freedom.” – Game, Set, Match.
“I am emailing CBC right now to file a complaint, he was an embarrassing waste of taxpayer money.”
Whoa, you’re going to “file” a complaint with email saying someone was embarrassing?
Make sure you get a tracking number for the file they create to investigate this complaint.
After all, you took the time to email and that tells them it’s serious.
ET wrote “However, I continue to disagree with those on this site who equate Islam with evil and reject all Muslims. Islam is not equivalent to Islamic fascism”.
I for one am capable of rejecting Islam without rejecting Muslims. As St Paul wrote “All have sinned and come short of the Glory of God”. I take it to mean me no less than bin Laden. At the same time I recognize that there is only one way out of the trap of sin and that was is not Islam. At its root Islam is dangerous to everyone engaged in it or people touched by people engaged in it. The continuous call to deadly physical war against the non Muslim and imposition of Sharia law has to be rejected in its totallity. Unfortunately this call is so much a part of Islam it can not be removed without removing the rest of the religion as well. It would be like removing the Atoning Sacrifice of Jesus Christ from Chrisitianity and expecting Christianity to stay the same only less offensive. Remove the Atoning Sacrifice and Christianity ceases to exist.
Back on topic: Avi can now carry his butt in front. He had it handed to him by a girl with a deeper understanding of freedom than Avi even knew existed.
Avi is not a man. He is a boy. That sure showed up in this clip.
Theodore Dalrymple explains the silence of the feminists in regards to Islam’s treatment of women.
Quote” FP: You discuss the horrifying suffering that women endure under the vicious and sadistic structures of Islam’s gender apartheid. You touch on the eerie silence of Western leftist feminists on this issue, noting “Where two pieties – feminism and multi-culturalism – come into conflict, the only way of preserving both is an indecent silence.”
To be sure, the Left has long posed as a great champion of women’s rights, gay rights, minorti rights, democratic rights etc. Yet today, it has reached out in solidarity with the most fascistic women-hating, gay-hating, minority-hating and democracy hating force on the face of the earth – Islamism.
What gives? It’s really nothing new though is it? (i.e. the Left’s political pilgrimages to communist gulags etc.)
Dalrymple: I think the problem here is one of a desired self-image. Tolerance is the greatest moral virtue and broadmindedness the greatest intellectual one. Moreover, no decent person can be other than a feminist. People therefore want to be both multiculturalist and feminist. But multiculturalism and feminism obviously clash; therefore, you avoid the necessity to give up one or the other merely by disregarding the phenomena. How you feel about yourself is more important to you than the state of the world.” Unquote
In other words they can’t reconcile it so they choose not to think about it.
Avi is not a man. He is a boy. That sure showed up in this clip.
Theodore Dalrymple explains the silence of the feminists in regards to Islam’s treatment of women.
http://www.frontpagemag.com/Articles/ReadArticle.asp?ID=19293
Quote” FP: You discuss the horrifying suffering that women endure under the vicious and sadistic structures of Islam’s gender apartheid. You touch on the eerie silence of Western leftist feminists on this issue, noting “Where two pieties – feminism and multi-culturalism – come into conflict, the only way of preserving both is an indecent silence.”
To be sure, the Left has long posed as a great champion of women’s rights, gay rights, minorti rights, democratic rights etc. Yet today, it has reached out in solidarity with the most fascistic women-hating, gay-hating, minority-hating and democracy hating force on the face of the earth – Islamism.
What gives? It’s really nothing new though is it? (i.e. the Left’s political pilgrimages to communist gulags etc.)
Dalrymple: I think the problem here is one of a desired self-image. Tolerance is the greatest moral virtue and broadmindedness the greatest intellectual one. Moreover, no decent person can be other than a feminist. People therefore want to be both multiculturalist and feminist. But multiculturalism and feminism obviously clash; therefore, you avoid the necessity to give up one or the other merely by disregarding the phenomena. How you feel about yourself is more important to you than the state of the world.” Unquote
In other words they can’t reconcile it so they choose not to think about it. Be a man Avi, and choose to think about it.
‘k…don’t know how it got into circumsision and female genital mutilation…but it has NOTHING to do with your religion people!! Back 3000-2000 years ago,you raped,murdered, and pillaged anything in your way. One of the nasties from raping was VD. So somebodey got the bright idea that cutting off a guys foreskin,and slicing a gals clitoris would make it so un-inviting to have sex,that there would be no more deaths from syphillis(like Hitler,if he lived long enough) or deformed babies,etc. Nothing to do with any religion. Species survival!
Hirsi Ali is one of the genuinely “great” people of our age – a deep thinker AND an able politician. Wasn’t it amazing that she was able to demolish that sniveling prick, Arvi Lewis, in her third (and I presume, fairly recently learned) language.
Re: Male circumcision. It was done among gentiles as a public health measure for a couple of generations, fell into disfavor when good personal hygiene became easy with modern household plumbing, and is now making a comeback as a limited defense against AIDS and antibiotic resistant VD. It eliminates a hidey-spot for nasties and reduces the prevalence of abrasion of the pecker necks (sorry, I don’t know the proper medical term) of young and enthusiastic lads.
I never heard before that male circumcision reduced sexual pleasure. Gee, I’m glad I was “done”. I don’t know how I could stand it if it if sex was any more pleasurable!
During WWII, an uncle of mine was an LSBA in the Canadian Navy. The ship doctors used to do circumcisions at sea as a hygenic measure and probably for “something to do.” I don’t know how successful the program was, but any newly circumcised tar would sure as hell have been safe from any possibility of getting VD on his first shore leave!
Cheers,
Zog