Nice:
Cars adapted for street racing can be seized and destroyed, even if charges haven’t been laid and a race has not taken place, Ontario Attorney General Michael Bryant said Wednesday.
Bryant warned potential racers that all it takes is a tip from police to seize and destroy their cars. Car junkies who pour thousands of dollars into their vehicles to make them as fast as possible are wasting their money, Bryant said.
“If we can establish someone has parts and they’re juicing up their car — obviously for the purpose of street racing — then we can seize those vehicles,” Bryant said.
“We will seize it and you will never see it again. We will crush your car, we will crush the parts.” — cbc.ca
I miss the old days where we actually waited for someone to commit a crime before we punished them. I suppose this is to be expected in a country where we enjoy less protection of our private property than a citizen of communist China does.
Michael Bryant is a walking, talking ego, with HUGE leadership aspirations. This is very much like his pit bull ban. A perfect example of more heat than light. This government is looking for anything to get its name in the news.
Where is Bourque and the Conservative sponsored NASCAR RACE-car?
But the people of Ontario still vote them in.
Don’t you think this is mentality of entire population?
If it walks like a duck – it’s a duck. The people who would disagree with confiscations w/o court process would not vote the liberals in, but they do, which means it’s fine by them.
Is there a plug in Ontario that we can pull to sink it?
If convicted….crush the drivers…..sell the cars at public auction; keep a few for bling-bling counter activity by the police.
“Geothermal can’t you recognise Loki’s sarcasm, which was brilliant.”
I wasn’t drunk when I read Loki’s comment, but I read with the focus of a drunk. After my blood pressure had come down to 165/110 I read all of his post and laughed my head off. Brilliant yes indeed. Loved it. He’s still a goofball though, and I say that in a most laudatory way.
Regarding the old maxim “ignorance of the law is no excuse,” I post this commentary by James Madison from Federalist Paper #62:
To put this point more succinctly, there’s something a little off about the statement “Ignorance of the 100,000 pages of laws and regulations (up from 95,000 pages last year!) is not an excuse.”
So if Mag Wheel Maggie Trudeau was drunk drivin her blown Hemi road runner instead of her Mercedes, like the last time, would she still be able to beat the rap using her commie husbands charter??
Hmm!
So people who would modify their cars to make them faster and handle better would have them taken away. Ok. What do we do with the folks who buy a stock ‘Vette, 340Z, Euro Super Car or Viper? These cars are all capable of blowing the doors off of any but the most extreme of the type of cars that are described in the article.
Onatrio’s AG gonna go to GM, Ford etc etc and tell them what type of cars they can design now? That ought to work out really well for him.
Bryant is a militant uncivil dystopian…you know the type…300 million people fill graves from this type as they force the utopian dream into reality.
I constantly warn people to stop voting along partisan lines look past that to what the candidate believes the purpose of government is for.
It is obvious in Bryant’s case he feels the law is his personal weapon to arbitrarily execute all the things he disagrees with…or to create crimes where there are none.
I Bear in mind this is the talking sphincter that wants to confiscate legally owned firearms because his group identity politics won’t allow his 2 tired justice system to get a handle on ethnic crime groups.
I remembered this as I listened to sound bites he made yesterday at a photo op… Bombastic hyperbole intended to dehumanize and degrade his intended targets….fast customized cars were compared to deadly drugs ( another problem he can’t cope with)…speed shops that sell performance parts compared to “crack houses”…kids who street race compared to “dealers in death”.
I gagged thinking there was a poli in this country so unafraid of his contempt for charter rights and civil property laws that he would spew this type of Bolshie/nazi bombast to the public.
The bottom line, when we cut through all the social engineered veneer on this, is that this man and his premier, run a regime which is totally contemptuous of property law and the rights of property owners…or even due process.
Randy Hillier and the farmers in the property rights movement were the first to feel it, then lawful firearms owners now motorists with customized sports cars……and for those in denial who think these uncivil abominations of law, process and charter rights only target the afore mentioned politically stigmatized groups, I have to remind you our court system is based on precedent…..if the government gets uncontested convictions where it has arbitrarily seized property on hear-say and destroyed it without due process or compensation, then this will become legally acceptable in spite of what the charter legal rights say about it….that means that by extension they can do the same thing to any property you own…the precedent is set…the kleptocratic police state becomes eminent.
Best not let them creep past the restraints of the constitution in the first place…it is the only thing holding police state douchebags like Bryant back…and doing a poor job of that by all accounts.
Dystopians like Bryant are reckless and dangerous to a civil society…they are a virus that infects civil freedom…voting them out after they have damaged our freedoms and endangered our property is not good enough…this just encourages more dystopians to fill their place. What is needed is that anti-constitutionalist barbarians like Bryant who swagger like dictators and abuse authority have to made an example of.
In an earlier more civil age in Canada, when justice was pure and the law was not the exclusive possession of dystopian autocrats, a thug like Bryant would create an angry mob (think of them as a dedicated constitutional vigilance committee assuming civil oversight of elected officers who stray from acepted civility without punishment of the courts)…this mob of outraged citizens would remove him from office forcibly and either tar and feather him or treat him to some other well deserved public humiliation to pay for his uncivil politicing….hopefully while dystopian wannabes looked in at their fate.
I know a guy who’s going to be really p1ssed he can’t keep his GT40 anymore. Or his Ferrari, his Lotus, his Porche…
Oh but wait, those are’t -modified-, are they? They are merely supercharged/turboed factory original speedmobiles.
What are we talking here, I’m ok if I buy the 600hp Shelby Mustang, but if I buy the GT and drop a blower in it I’m an eeeevile street racer? What as pile!
And hey, what about bikes? Perhaps now would be a bad time to relate my youthful adventures on the Gardiner Expressway, blowing the doors off whale-tale Porches on my RZ500. During morning rush hour. If I put a Hayabusa sticker on my bike am I a street racer? How about Dunlops and race shocks?
Must be an election year. Instant issue created from nothing, pure vapor. They bust a couple punks for street racing (who can’t affort a protracted legal battle, surprise surprise), crush their cars live on TV, wave the big stick around and look like heroes to the masses of @sses in Moronto. Perfect Liberal campaign.
As an aside to all the people who seem to be in favor of this, mainly Richard Ball (unless he’s being sarcastic like Loki) I’d like to ask you this: Do you really think this sort of thing only happens to other people? If they can jack your car right out of the driveway, they can also come and get your non-compliant refrigerator. Or your dryer, or your computer, or your whole house, or… YOU. You have nothing they can’t take. If it can be taken, sooner or later some greedy pig will come and take it.
So can these bozos direct as much effort into dealing with …..oh let’s say Organized Crime ….. Gangsters ……. Terrorists!
Un freaking believable.
One of the early posters was right… Orwellian pre-crime.
Loki neglected to mention, that ATT would require any driver to travel from point A to point B on the shortest and straightest route possible, any deviations would be dealt with thru harsh penalties.
As a post script: There have been few Canadian politicians I despise and have contempt for more than Bryant…Alan Rock was one, Trudeau and of course most BQ who support national socialism.
The common thread is these people are all “dystopians”…those utopians who’s whacky dyslexic social theories and uncivil activism create a vast regulatory gulag of society and further the approach of the police state.
They are dangerous people ( at least to those of us who value civil liberty and freedom…don’t know what most MSM-conditioned Canadians think…never know what a sponge thinks).
To me, this militant social engineering agenda has got to be literally kicked out of our polis if we are to ever regain respect as a free democratic people.
Bryant and his type can only exist in a diseased democracy where the will of the majority is subserveient or treated with contemptby tyrants who trade places every 4 years.
This type of vehicle seizure has been in place in Saskatchewan since 2002.
Not for racing though. For cruising in bad neighbourhoods.
Civil liberties be damned.
I wrote Chris Axworthy about it at the time, but I guess most other people thought that it would be a good idea to give up freedom for safety, so the law went ahead.
http://www.gov.sk.ca/news?newsId=d421903c-f2a3-42f7-a710-70fd1372ca6c
http://www.cbc.ca/canada/edmonton/story/2006/10/23/johns-alberta.html
Now most of these cases are over turned.
So now its street racing. How soon until it is houses. Guilty before innocence with the police being the law makers and judiciary. What a society.
Is it April the first? This is so stupid it is laughable. I watched a (slightly) similar story last night on Fox. It seems that the impounded cars of CONVICTED street racers in LA are crushed while the racers get to watch. Big difference.
So, will they take away TG’s electric car if he pulls up to the lights and revs the hampsters? Will American tourists stand to have their car crunched by Ontario’s big brother guvmint? I’m almost embarassed to say I was born in Ontario (northern). That province is stuck on stupid.
Texas, its an election year. Gotta have something to fool the dummies with.
Heric Holmes, I direct your attention to Caledonia where the Ontario government expropriated the Douglas Creek Estates rather than uphold the legal owner’s property rights against invasion.
I’d like to add that the proximate cause of street racing is zero race tracks in the Toronto area. As far as I know the nearest road course is Mosport and the nearest drag strip is Cayuga. We don’t even have roundy-round racing except on dirt. So Lefties, where are Toronto kids supposed to go racing?
It seems you have too much Librelium in Ontario. Librelium is a light fluffy element, that binds well with Newdemocratium for form an unstable, volitile substance known as Governmentum Incidius. Exposure to either Librelium or Newdemocratium can cause severe over-reaction to any stimulous and is confirmed to reduce intelligence. It is widely known that the only way to remove Librelium or Newdemocratium is to use copious quanities of Conservativium over several years.
Dog help you Ontario, we have room in the west for people of the conservative persuasion.
Every election the degenerate Liberals have to create some “evil” to launch a “ban”.
It is a deep insight into lib-left thinking….essentially they are visionless theorists who provide textbook solutions from their theoretical dogma to real world issues…the fact that most things in life do not fit the narrow template of leftist dogma is meaningless to them…they forge on building the perfect Dystopia.
DYSTOPIA:
A dystopia (from the Greek δυσ- and τόπος, alternatively, cacotopia,[1] kakotopia or anti-utopia) is a fictional society that is the antithesis of utopia. It is usually characterized by an oppressive social control, such as an authoritarian or totalitarian government.
Dystopian politics are often characterized as one or several types of governments and political systems. These systems include, but are not limited to, fascism, bureaucracy, socialism, chaos, anarchy, totalitarianism, dictatorships and other forms of political, social and economical control. These governments often assert great power over the citizens, dramatically depicted in 1984 as the authority to decree that 2+2 did not need to equal 4.
Ontario is not so doomed as I thought.
I sent an email around the office today and the people, who I would expect to vote liberal, came by in the kitchen and said in horror how shocked they were and how stupid Bryant sounded to them.
Phantom said: “I’d like to add that the proximate cause of street racing is zero race tracks in the Toronto area. As far as I know the nearest road course is Mosport and the nearest drag strip is Cayuga. We don’t even have roundy-round racing except on dirt. So Lefties, where are Toronto kids supposed to go racing?”
Well this is an abomination according to the left ( who calin to be guardians of all that is Canadian including snowbound sovietism) I heard some degenerate dipper yapping on Addler yesterday that car racing and NASCAR are “unCanadian” and environmentally irresponsible…we see that dytopian attitude in the Bryant announcement.
Motor sports are from the evil “motor” culture to the south…see a pattern here? Is this not how Canadian Bolsheviks demonized firearms possession and the shooting sports?
There is a race track in Cayuga, the only one I can think of. There should be some near Windsor as I was told. Pretty damn far from TO.
Sorry if my post raised a few people’s blood pressures, but to find out what the situation is like for gun owners in Canada, one just has to replace every automotive reference in my post with “firerarm”. I didn’t include the involuntary “inspection” provisions of C68 that apply to anyone who has the temerity to own >10 firearms.
It wouldn’t surprise me if statist morons like Bryant are using the precedent set by C68 to push other social engineering projects. C68 is one of the most odious pieces of legislation ever passed in Canada and allows the government to arbitrarily seize personal property. If one looks at death rates caused by inanimate objects, then automobiles are clearly far more dangerous than firearms and it was just a matter of time before the government saw this.
The Phantom, I love the idea of convicted street racers having to watch their cars being crushed………. so long as it is from the back of a prison bus!
Doesn’t this idiot Bryant realize that the first prosecution under his proposed law will be taken all the way to the Supreme Court under a Charter challenge, and will in all likelihood lose big? Don’t these fools get legal advice? Fascist moron.
BTW, big props to Loki for his inspired piece of satire.
What’s all the fuss? I’ve been passed on a solid yellow line countless times by young teenage idiots in highly-modified cars.
Where we used to live we were often deafened by the endless noise of after-market mufflers that were installed on hondas etc, while the kids driving them raced (over 100km/h on a 50km/h road) down our road.
In fact the noise was so awful I used to relish the idea of their cars being crushed, so I’m delighted it’s actually going to happen. Can I press the button on the machine?
Sure, there are responsible people who modify their cars, but as always the few idiots ruin it for everyone by providing an opening through which the Liberal left can force its awful policies.
Anyone who did not see the humour and sarcasm in Loki’s post has obviously new dealt with the Canadian firearms bureaucracy. I thought it was quite funny.
In Ontario, I would be like public enemy #1. I own high performance cars (that have never been in a street race) and I own handguns (that have never killed anyone).
I wish I could get a handle on what is wrong with the people in Ontario. Why do you keep electing these fools? Is it something in the water? Did I mention that I love it here in BC?
All I can do is shake my head in disgust.
@WL Mackenzie Redux:
Those were stirring words you’ve written. It may be that this ‘bad thing’ law has gone beyond the point of joking about how thick-headed the Liberals are.
BTW: here’s a one-liner that some of you might want to put in play in Librul county: “Are you referring to a bad object that you can’t afford?”
“Cars adapted for street racing can be seized and destroyed, even if charges haven’t been laid and a race has not taken place, Ontario Attorney General Michael Bryant said Wednesday.”
Well, it’s about time!!
Society needs many more individuals with the prescient capabilities of the likes of Mr. Bryant.
We could post them to stand watch at the entrance to our banks to prevent bank robberies. Arrest the suckers even before they walk into the bank.
We could use them to screen applicants for marriage licences, and prevent countless failed marriages and costly divorce proceedings.
We could use them at the gates of our educational institutions to keep slackards and dimwits out of the class rooms, thereby saving society millions of wasted dollars.
We could use them to screen political and high level bureaucratic candidates , to ensure that society isn’t burdened by the dishonest, the incompetent, and/or the megalomaniac control freaks which plague their ranks today.
And on and on.
Brilliant.
Bravo Mr. Bryant!
Keep up the good work.
If modified includes wearing out tires ’til they’re bald, looking like racing “slicks”, then we have a problem.. 🙂
TJ: Your papers, please, citizen!
We Ontarians have been subject to McGuinty and Bryant’s dog and pony show for too long; it goes something like this…….
White girl gets shot = ban guns (aren’t they banned anyway?)
Bad dog bites man = ban dogs (but not bad dogs, just certain types of dogs)
Idiot kids recklessly cause death of man = ban fast cars (not punish those who speed but it’s the car’s fault or video games, we’re not sure)
None of this is ever pre-emptive and is always reactionary. Bryant and McGuinty pick issues which are not incredibly controversial as they want to make us believe they are doing soemthing.
Why not ban the production of tabacco as it proves to cause cancer and kill thousands of people a year? Wait, we make money on taxing cigarettes right? Never mind then.
BTW: I have a banned dog and a potentially banned car (stock ’05 V6 Mustang) I think they’re doing this just to get me to move.
Look at all these responses! I guess the Conservatives were right to try and sponsor a Canadian NASCAR car in the circuit! Tories love talking about their cars. To bring this back to the issue at hand, what does “modified for street racing” mean? Does that mean the Grand Prix? Is the Conservative Part of Canada – a sponsor to one of the weapons of death – going to be charged for encouraging “street racing?”
This law is right up with the pitbull ban – remember that?
Well these idiots got away with it with bill 132
“14. (1) Where the circumstances in clauses 13 (1) (a) and (b) exist and it would be impracticable to obtain a warrant because of exigent circumstances, a peace officer may exercise any of the powers of a peace officer described in section 13.
Same
(2) In this section, exigent circumstances include circumstances in which the peace officer has reasonable grounds to suspect that entry into any building, receptacle or place, including a dwelling house, is necessary to prevent imminent bodily harm or death to any person or domestic animal.”
all for a dog.
I.E no search warrant, so this is communist Canada and even Calgary has a poll to see if they should also follow. As someone else posted, even China has property rights in its constitution, but they don’t keep trying to convince themselves that they live in the greatest country in the world.
the “car junkies” won’t be wasting their money on juicing up their cars.so what mr bryant they will just race them in stock condition a bit slower i’m sure but until some serious punishment for those convicted of street racing is handed out by the courts not much is likely to change.your just blowing gas out your liberal exhaust pipe mr bryant.just my 2 cents worth folks.
The Calgary poll, the start of dictatorship.
http://calgary.ctv.ca/servlet/HTMLTemplate
Here’s some more vapor from Dalton.
http://autos.canada.com/news/story.html?id=9a4a1223-e670-438a-956f-ba50b783110a
For once I agree with McSquinty, though he’d be appalled at the idea I’m sure. A car IS like a loaded gun. Perfectly safe unless you point it at your head and start fiddling with the trigger.
McSquinty should try embracing the concept of arresting criminals instead of confiscating property. Works ‘way better I hear.
Vitruvius:
Will city council enforce the existing noise bylaws to charge the miscreants? Of course not. But they will consider banning motorcycles, even quiet ones. Why? Because they are stark raving bonkers.
In fact I have been a victim of motorcycle banning. I attempted to ride the famous and ritzy 17-mile drive near Monterrey CA a couple years back. Was stopped at the entrance as motorcycles had been banned, presumably because of some a-hole Harley lookie-me weekend warriors. I knew it wouldn’t work but I did make a faint effort to get the guard (yes, it was not unlike a E Berlin checkpoint) to concede that my sport-touring mount was as quiet or quieter than most cars. It was a very deflating and humiliating experience for a hardcore Libertarian.
Regulators like one-size-fits-all rules (banning) because they are simpler and easier from a compliance point of view. They also prefer tormenting the compliant because, er, they comply without complaint.
Sort of related: I ride a 1300cc 145 HP motorcycle in the same way and at the same mostly lawful speeds as my prior 90 HP mount. However, I am now much safer in that I can escape much more nimbly from dangerous situations, and my passing time is considerably reduced. I have also completed several advanced riding courses, but of course none of this can be accounted for in the binary regulatory mind.
Hey Pissedoff….look who’s running the city now…a Liberal premier wannabe douchebag Liberal and a gagale of pseudo Libranos on council.
I’m tellin’ ya you gotta get Liberalism under control in that province like you did rats….like rats being devistating to AB’s grain crops, Liberals will be devistating to the province’s productive wealth engines and free laissez fair socity…crippling it with a regulatory gulag….. and like rats they hide under cover and devour resourses and breed out of sight…in Albeta Calgary and Edmonton city councils are a breeding grounf for liberal rodentia.
look at Onterrible ferkissake you want that out there?…just keep electing these incognito liberals in the city and under the PC banner
Too bad Mr. Bryant can’t apply his infinite prescient wisdom to charge the thugs at Caledonia. Oh well, I guess it’s all about punishing the innocent law abiding masses now, and protecting the rights of thugs and criminals, that’s what really matters in the Liberal scheme of things.
Again, keep up the great work.
When do I get to vote these @$$holes out of office?
People who think they have the right to micromanage other people’s lives, who think they have the right to ban everything they don’t like, are people who should be locked up or deported to some gulag somewhere so they can benefit properly from their own mindset…
it’s time to put these people out of our misery.
No Kidding, Huh ? Gona crush pimped out home-made hotrod street cars ?
Man, how are those Asians, Blacks and Hip-Hop White Boys gonna get to work ?
,
“Man, how are those Asians, Blacks and Hip-Hop White Boys gonna get to work ?”
They work..?????????
It takes a very special kind of mind to arrive at confiscation and destruction of private property as a response to criminal behaviour!
Very special indeed!
@pissedoff:
Where’d they get the idea for that part of the lawr, Dirty Harry?
Posted by: OMMAG at June 21, 2007 4:09 PM
“It takes a very special kind of mind to arrive at pre-emptive confiscation and destruction of private property as a response to potential criminal behaviour!”
There, OMMAG. Fixed that for you.
Great 1-line summary of the whole Orwellian scheme.
mhb23re
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You want my Toyota Echo, Mr Bryant?
Molon labe!
From my cold dead hands!
Humph.
Lickmuffin:
Regrettably, inevitable liberal confiscation of all privately-owned firearms will indeed make your “cold dead hands” an unfortunate reality.
This half-wit was appointed by Daltoon McGimpy. (Need I say more?)