… at least according to some “scholars”:
… when one looks out onto the Muslim landscape, it’s as if millions of 1400 year old corpses came to life and infested our good earth. I’m not talking about your average just-want-to-make-a-better-life for my family Muslim … I’m talking about the other millions who are fundamentalists. Sometimes I think they can’t surprise me anymore … but guess what … surprise!!!!
Read: Don’t Boink in the Buff
I m sure you can find a Christian kook or two who says the same thing. Ditto every other religion.
It is true that you can find a Christian kook or two who would say something outrageous like this, despite it being contrary to scripture and biblical doctrine.
However, they would be just that, a couple of “kooks” – not people holding prestigious positions of leadership and education in the Christian community, and holders of authority over other people.
That is the difference here really. These fatwas are not about sex so much as about control. For some reason, being a muslim “scholar” is supposed to allow one to interfere with the regular and normal everyday issues of people’s lives. Control versus freedom: freedom to think, freedom to decide, freedom to even read and interpret the Koran for yourself, is what these extremists hate. And it apparently works, since many muslims, even those who are not naturally extremists still bow before the authority of these ludicrous and tyrannical impositions.
If Islam is to experience a reformation, as some moderate muslims hope, then this is the area to work on. Christianity’s reformation, 500 years ago accomplished this great freedom – that any true believer – down to the poorest peasant could now read the Bible for himself and say to the priest or preacher: “If what you’re telling me isn’t written in here, I don’t need to listen to you.”
Our entire western and north american culture, legal systems, and liberal democracy is built on that foundation. If we hadn’t achieved it we would still be stuck in 1400 too.
It is true that you can find a Christian kook or two who would say something outrageous like this, despite it being contrary to scripture and biblical doctrine.
However, they would be just that, a couple of “kooks” – not people holding prestigious positions of leadership and education in the Christian community, and holders of authority over other people.
That is the difference here really. These fatwas are not about sex so much as about control. For some reason, being a muslim “scholar” is supposed to allow one to interfere with the regular and normal everyday issues of people’s lives. Control versus freedom: freedom to think, freedom to decide, freedom to even read and interpret the Koran for yourself, is what these extremists hate. And it apparently works, since many muslims, even those who are not naturally extremists still bow before the authority of these ludicrous and tyrannical impositions.
If Islam is to experience a reformation, as some moderate muslims hope, then this is the area to work on. Christianity’s reformation, 500 years ago accomplished this great freedom – that any true believer – down to the poorest peasant could now read the Bible for himself and say to the priest or preacher: “If what you’re telling me isn’t written in here, I don’t need to listen to you.”
Our entire western and north american culture, legal systems, and liberal democracy is built on that foundation. If we hadn’t achieved it we would still be stuck in 1400 too.
Think of the advantages, who knows who or what is under that veil.
borqua’s
…gives new meaning to trap door…
“Think of the advantages, who knows who or what is under that veil.”
Posted by: mary T. at April 14, 2007 1:34 PM
Would this mean that a large black canvas tarp and a sizable fish net are involved when a camel or donkey is being…. er-r-r-r-r, never mind. Carry on.
It might be better if enough cloth got in the way of making a connection altogether! Better yet, if they find boinking too much for their delicate sensibilities, we’d have one hell of a lot less trouble on the planet.
Once worked in surgery,we used surgical drapes, covering all but the area to be worked on, there’s another answer for them. Hey we wore masks too.
Problem solved.
There is a logical reason for this, bomb belts chafe.
It might be better if enough cloth got in the way of making a connection altogether! Better yet, if they find boinking too much for their delicate sensibilities, we’d have one hell of a lot less trouble on the planet.
Once worked in surgery,we used surgical drapes, covering all but the area to be worked on, there’s another answer for them. Hey we wore masks too.
Problem solved.
And they had a “fatwa committee chairman” eh? Glad to see they have peer review in Moslem academic circles.
borqua’s
…gives new meaning to trap door…
Posted by: tomax7
Ha-ha! Now that’s funny- burkas with trapdoors!
Problem with that is that sometimes there’s a guy inside the burkha… bet the clerics never thought of that possiblity when making up their stupid rules.
I suppose the clerics don’t wanna do it naked ’cause they have crappy, dumpy bodies! That’s why they wear those robes…
It is true that you can find a Christian kook or two who would say something outrageous like this, despite it being contrary to scripture and biblical doctrine.
However, they would be just that, a couple of “kooks” – not people holding prestigious positions of leadership and education in the Christian community, and holders of authority over other people.
That is the difference here really. These fatwas are not about sex so much as about control.
Posted by Rudy
I guess banning birth control doesn’t count.
Hey, Abdul! North America is not as backward as you think.
B and D conforms to all of your clerical, sexual needs.
When you present yourself to your North American dungeon masters, you can be assured that they will be fully clothed in leatherwear, chains, and black stockings.
In fact, your ecclesiastical authorities will be delighted to realize that in North America we go the extra mile. The slave will be appropriately tied and bound in order to make the sexual experience more in conformity with Islamic practices.
Our professional dominatrix will certainly attend to your every need, and beatings will be dealt out with a riding crop as befits an intelligent, religious post-Freudian attitude.
Simply climb into a taxi in any big city and say with your most pious attitude, “I wish to be taken to an appropriately approved slave dungeon.”
Hold up your finger in a cautionary gesture, and say with a sanctimonious tone, “I refuse to be conveyed to an establishment that serves alcohol.”
Abdul, you’re in for a night completely in conformity with religious ecstasy. You’ll say to yourself, “Hey, why wait for the virgins?”
Your camel will never look that good to you again.
Gee, I guess that for the past 33 years, wifey and I really haven’t been married…. mmmmmm
Rudy, it’s not just a few kooks here. Haven’t you heard about Mormons and their magic underwear? I kid you not.
Er… just how will they enforce this?
Okay, bibear (bare?) don’t leave us in suspense, what about those magic knickers?
Hear, hear, Rudy! Well said!
Another intellectually lazy moral equivalencer bites the dust, thanks to your succinct response.
“gives new meaning to trap door…
Posted by: tomax7 at April 1”
Geez, tomax, you mean there was an ulterior motive to the trap door on them “Stanfields” we all wore on the Prairies, before global warming?!
I feel somewhat embarrassed to admit we wore them backwards, I guess. We were primitive, what can I say.
Yes the Mormons wear magic underwear with masonic symbols on it. Started out as a union suit but has been modified overtime. True believers only take off the underwear so they can put on a clean set.
Joe: The characterization of Mormon underwear in this thread doesn’t jive both with official and unofficial information I’ve found on the net today. It is “temple underwear” and should be worn as much as possible. It’s not sacred … nor magical … just symbolic; and it’s not a dictatum like a Fatwa.
As far as sex … they do it in the buff ex/underwear.
sarge here them othodox jews and hasidics screw through a sheet with a hole in it so they dont touch the woman niether
…Standfields, ah yes. Mine were one piecer’s and always hated going to the biffy, by the time one stripped down, one was too tired to
Ah, never mind.
Magic underwear with masonic symbols on them?
Gimme a break!! Don’t think you’re going to find much in common between Mormons and masons.
The Elders of Zion and masons-now there’s a connection!
Let all those nit wits who oppose fur coats and trapping to to ANCHORAGE ALASKA in the middle of winter and pose nude and turn so blue they would make sumurf look pale