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More – Context, just for the spectacularly obtuse.
Update Oh man…. apparently I’ve overlooked the fact that these babies are dressed for the religious observance of “Ashura” – “If, as your post and subsequent comments imply, you believe that any child, when raised under even a moderate, mainstream version of Islam (such as that depicted in the linked photos), will somehow be primed towards radicalism, then you’re effectively saying that the problem is with all of Islam and not merely its extremist strains.”
Being generous enough of spirit to acknowledge that bloggers and commentors more open-minded than myself have bettered my appreciation of this gentle commemoration of the beheading martyrdom of Hussain ibn Ali (grandson of Muhammad), the best way to express my gratitude is to assist the readership here to expand theirs.
More photos of Ashura, this taken in Pakistan.
I stand corrected.
robertbollocks:
From my vantage point. Allah is the Devil & Mohammad is his messenger.
Re-read my post after you know what real Christianity is. Not what you have seen on TV peppered in socialist dogma. The NT is a start. Maybe you might even get what I said.
By the way start by discerning between Churchianity compared to Christianity
Anyway a picture like this just confirms how twisted people can become & what a real effect no matter your beliefs on religion are.This is evil with the waif of decaying corruption of the human sprit about it. It has ugly ripples of degeneracy, that feed into a society foundation.
Something the MSM misses out on, because they think its irrelevant or just an opiate for people. Nice try by them for moral relevancy, but it doesn’t cut the mustard though, in real time.
Its why they cannot see the Ocean form there own reflections. A lot of news is religious based. As are world movements, including most cultures world views. To deny them as a factor. Is truly the act of the mad.
As Jesus said . Man cannot live by bread alone.
By the way, Happy Trails
Nicto Varrata klatu
“all Muslims”?, Paul, you know better than that. And, I presume your statement relieves you of examing just how terrorists are raising their kids, the pervasiveness of terrorism in the Muslim world and the normal responses of civilized people when they view those images.
I’m saying this because it again underscores how dopes like you think or not think.
This photo reminds me of the other notorious one that made the news around the world a couple of years ago. It was of a small Palestinian child, 6 mos. to a year old, whom his parents dressed up in a miniature suicide bomber’s outfit. White robes, a green (the color of Islam) headband, and a belt with small imitation sticks of explosives.
It is hard to look at the pictures of those precious little ones knowing what their parents plan for their future…it breaks my heart…what kind of parents…?? Is this going on in moderate mosques in Canada?
Kate…for eastern pauls sake and the rest of us…since there is no ‘story’ with the pictures when we follow the link…”commemorating Marytyrdom”…were these pictures taken at a cermony of dedicating the little ones to grow up to ‘die young for Allah(Mohammed)’?
This is so sad…but, I fear it is not the exception.
I don’t claim to be an expert, but I think the give-away is the red-bandana….It is the “bandanna of death”
That one picture is reason enough why we must win this War.
Mmmm, notice that the one end of the pacifier is open? Probably to hook a grenade onto.
the pacifier is to get them used to the appearance and feel of a grenade pin.
…a toddler with a pacifier in a terrorist outfit…
You’re all wrong, save for Paul and Rattfuc. The photo gallery depicts a majlis, a Shi’a ceremonial gathering commemorating the martyrdom of Hussain ibn Ali, grandson of Muhammad and the Third Imam. This gathering takes place as part of the Remembrance of Muharram, a period of intense mourning and religious observance for Shi’ah Muslims, and leads up to the Day of Ashura (occurring this year on January 30th).
Sorry, no hate-filled indoctrination of Muslim infants, no anti-Western propaganda, no terrorist implications. While the National Review’s description of “Commemorating Martyrdom” is technically correct, it’s interesting how, in the absence of proper context, the images were so grossly misintepreted here. Given the religious significance of the event, “baby boomer” turns out to be a rather insensitive and offensive remark.
I don’t understand the title of this post, ‘Baby Boomer,’ nor Kate’s alternate title, ‘Dead Baby Before Picture,’ and the ‘Commemorating Martyrdom’ link isn’t much help, since it only sends one to a series of Fars News Agency pictures of a similar kind.
These pictures were presumably taken at some kind of Iranian religious event commemorating the martyrdom of Imam Hussein, the third Shi’ite imam, who died about 1400 years ago.
Such religious events have been happening throughout the Shi’ite world over the last several days, including in Iraq.
Imam Hussein is a major figure in Shi’ite Islam, and his death–a ‘martyrdom’–a major event they obviously consider worthy of annual commemoration.
Where is the connection between the picture Kate has posted and a ‘dead baby,’ ‘terrorism,’ ‘death cults,’ etc.?
Exactly who is being “spectacularly obtuse” here, Kate?
Read my update.
sarge here. comemorating the death of imam hussain? is he one of them damn dead slaughtered minor radical martyrs like john the baptist or a major terror player like imam jesus christ?
ol general here, cld someone get me a clue, cuz i are real dum, need it bad but doncha think writin cute makes up fer it?
I am not sure of the real intent of this picture. Is it a religous event? Is it a suicide bomber in the making?
If this is a suicide bomber in the making picture then it’s intent is purely political and probably intended for western consumption.
Suicide Bombing stops when it doesn’t work as a tactic any more. It’s that simple. I don’t buy the religious angle because almost all religions have used suicide bombers.
I’ve not heard of a successful suicide bombing in Israel in the last year. Israel changed their strategy.
Bush is sending 20,000 more troops to Iraq. This is exactly not what suicide bombing was supposed to acheive (and it’s supposed effect to drive world public opinion). If this troop strategy is successfull, I think it is going to be just like Japan in WWII, and suddenly you’ll see many fewer “kamikaze’s”.
“These people are sick,…”
Palestinian children encouraged to go to jail
Palestinian Legislative Council (PLC) member Issa Qaraqe told Ynet of an increasing phenomenon of Palestinian minors deliberately provoking IDF soldiers at checkpoints in order to be arrested, and thus receive shelter in Israeli prisons….
“How can one explain a parent who not only isn’t sad that his son is in jail, but rather, encourages him to go there?” Qaraqe queried.
“These people are sick, and it indicates the severe deterioration of Palestinian society over the past year.” …-
http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-3357313,00.html
conn writes, “I don’t buy the religious angle because almost all religions have used suicide bombers.” In context, one must assume s/he means in the way Islam uses suicide bombers: on a regular basis, using women and children, to kill and maim as many innocents as possible, to make martrys of the killers, now, in the 21st century. I guess if other religions do or have done the same thing, conn’s got a point.
Evidence, conn? (I originally made a typo and typed cnn: Freudian slip, perhaps.)
And BTW, the tactic’s been thwarted in Israel, not because the religious fanatics have had a change of heart, but because the Israelis have decided to add significant muscle–of course, drawing criticism from the usual suspects–to their defences.
I find this attempt at religious equivalency dishonest and altogether offensive. E.g., How many deaths by Christian suicide bomber–or any other means–do we hear of during Easter celebrations around the world? Putting Easter aside, how many Christian suicide bombers have killed innocent bystanders anywhere? (Some equivalency!)
I’ve just heard on the news of a slew of suicide bombings in Bagdhad during a religious festival. So, conn, why the soft pedalling re Islam and suicide bombers? You still “don’t buy the religious angle”?
That baby looks awfully suspicious. It clearly belongs in Gitmo. And don’t let it’s “I can’t talk yet” act fool you, it’s merely a ploy to the weak willed moraly relativist left for sympathy.
I read your update, Catnip.
You seem to suggest that these little tots are ceremonially dressed to die for Islam in the fashion of the revered martyr (though accounts differ as to whether his head was buried with his body or somewhere else).
That would make merely it a colourful “ethnic” display where the boy babies are held aloft by weeping mothers, dressed in not-dead-yet costumes, and that this has no cultural correlation whatsoever to the mobs of young men who can be later persuaded to strap on martyrdom belts to wage war against the infidel.
I stand corrected.
Somehow ‘A’ and other morally superior leftists feel that because this is a Shiite ceremonial gathering commemorating the martyrdom of Hussain ibn Ali, that “in the absence of proper context, the images were grossly misintepreted here. Given the religious significance of the event, “baby boomer” turns out to be a rather insensitive and offensive remark.”
Ergo, because of context, any remark posted here condemning child martyrdom is “rather insensitive and offensive.”
Perhaps. But I suppose that can be forgiven given the daily deluge of pictures, documentaries, news and what Islamic teachers are saying. Like this recent statement from an Australian Imam:
“We want to have children and offer them as soldiers defending Islam,” said Feiz in the video, reported Sydney’s Daily Telegraph newspaper. “Teach them this: There is nothing more beloved to me than wanting to die as a mujahid. Put in their soft, tender hearts the zeal of jihad and a love of martyrdom.”
Context has always been a method of taqiyya for Muslim leaders who say such outrageous things. Of course this particular Imam claimed that he was quoted out of context as well. It appears ‘A’ and others on the left agree. Apologists, appeasers and supporters all of a child sacrificing ideological cult.
Any remark condemning child martyrdom (unless it is in an agreed on and approved context) “is rather insensitive and offensive.”
I would think universal condemnation of child martyrdom regardless of context is a moral imperative. And anything less is not only insensitive and offensive, but monsterously evil.
I agree Irwin,
And not a peep about the link I provided. Scroll down and you’ll see many a baby dressed the same way but with a little more pizzaz, bombs strapped to them. What a surprise!
Horrific crimes from bombing London to A little documentary on Nick Berg, director’s cut.
Instead what we get from the left is, “it’s a ceremony, you guys are sick, not all muslims are blah blah blah”.
Dhimmi’s at their finest.
C’mon you guys, you’re way over the top on this.
You’ll never find a more right-wing redneck than I am but for G++d sake, give it a break. It’s a friggin’ baby dressed in Muzzie mufti. That’s all!!!
You can speculate ’til the cows come home but unless you can read the minds of those in attendance, you are just guessing at the implications of all this.
I contend that when you do this, you are no better than they are.
Please give it some thought. I would hope that the commenters here are made of better stuff than that.
Scale back the rhetoric. There’s lots to be wary of when it comes to rabid extremism, but this ain’t it.
My mom used to dress me in a Yogi Bear costume, bet never once did she hope I’d grow up stealing picnic baskets.
Hmmm, Rattfuc, Yukon Gold, and I seem to be agreeing on the same issue. Maybe I’m wrong about this whole global warming business. Apparently, hell has frozen over.
Rattfuc and Yukon Gold,
Did either of you read the two posts before yours?
Actually, for more fun, visit the ‘spectacularly obtuse’ link Kate posted at the top and read the comments.
“Actually, for more fun, visit the ‘spectacularly obtuse’ link Kate posted at the top and read the comments.”
Yikes. Say what you mean Kate, spectacularly obtuse…How about incredibly stupid! Now that I’ve visited that moonbat’s site, I need a shower.
That would make merely it a colourful “ethnic” display where the boy babies are held aloft by weeping mothers, dressed in not-dead-yet costumes, and that this has no cultural correlation whatsoever to the mobs of young men who can be later persuaded to strap on martyrdom belts to wage war against the infidel.
Kate, you seem to suggest that there is a “cultural correlation” between participation in this religious event and later proclivities towards suicidal fanaticism. And yet this majlis is a core aspect of Shi’a Islam, so what exactly is your solution? If, as your post and subsequent comments imply, you believe that any child, when raised under even a moderate, mainstream version of Islam (such as that depicted in the linked photos), will somehow be primed towards radicalism, then you’re effectively saying that the problem is with all of Islam and not merely its extremist strains.
Kate “I stand corrected.”
The devil was *this* close to putting on his ice skates before he realized you were speaking tongue in cheek.
Still lots of fighting going on in the west bank, Gaza Strip. Isn’t that the area the world and the U.N. insisted that Israel leave, as it would solve all the violence in Palestine. Another black eye for the UN. Soon deaths will reach higher than the DDT scam. Lebanon is also on fire, another area the Israels at the worlds and UN urging, including the ndp and liberals, left, to solve all the violence. Think of those places when you think getting the troops out of Iraq and Afgan will solve problems instead of increasing them. When will the traitors in the US and Canada wake up and quit supporting the terrorists.
uhh, how is the second picture different then Catholic flagellants?
And I think there are other ceremonies that have babies in costume.
But then, I’m not a Calvinist or a Bigot to fully understand either side of this argument.
Kate: Being generous enough of spirit to acknowledge that bloggers and commentors more open-minded than myself have bettered my appreciation of this gentle commemoration of the beheading martyrdom of Hussain ibn Ali (grandson of Muhammad), the best way to express my gratitude is to assist the readership here to expand theirs. More photos of Ashura, this taken in Pakistan.
And here’s the Roman Catholic version (scroll right for more). What’s your point, Kate?
“But then, I’m not a Calvinist or a Bigot to fully understand either side of this argument.”
Actually, you shouldn’t be either. Islam is a supremacist political ideology masquerading as religion. It’s first victims, of course, are Muslims. Muslims are not of one race, but a creed.
Islams perfect man for the pious to follow is their prophet Mohammad.
Even a tertiary study of Mohammad in the Hadiths will show you an inherently evil man who personally gave the command to murder more than 600 civilian Jewish men at Trench, where he had them beheaded one by one, taking more than a day. Afterwards he admonished his men to rape and pillage. Later selling all the widows and daughters into slavery. But not before keeping the prettiest one to add to his harem.
He married a six year old, Aisha – consummating the marriage when she turned nine. One of his companions married Aisha’s niece when she was four.
Mohammad went on to do other things that would make Charles Manson look like a saint. Not to mention creating a book and ideology which has spread untold bloodshed throughout the world for fourteen hundred years.
Ignorance is no excuse for having an opinion based on altruistic feelings rather than facts.
‘A’ there may be moderate Muslims, but there is no such thing as Moderate Islam. Welcome to Dar al Harb.
‘A’ there may be moderate Muslims, but there is no such thing as Moderate Islam.
Isn’t the form of Islam practised by moderate Muslims in effect “Moderate Islam”?
The best article I’ve yet read on the Islamic immigration question. It succinctly explains the left/right divide that we recently saw flare up in Kate’s ‘Baby boomer’ picture post.
Translator’s note: In this article, author and philosopher Kai Sørlander writes about the divide between the proponents of multiculturalism and immigration, whom he calls optimists, and the xenophobes and Islamophobes, here labelled pessimists. Below is my translation of the article.
Naïvists and Human Nature
Kai Sørlander, Author and Philosopher
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When democracy let the optimists succeed in classifying the pessimists as xenophobes and Islamophobes, it embarked upon a catastrophic course. And the media who have aided to maintain the illusion bear a particular part of the blame, says the writer.
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Political discussions often take place on two levels: a substantial level where the parties have differing opinions about some concrete issue, and a secondary level, where the aim is to get your political opponent classified in a way that implies that you yourself are right on the substantial level.
The rest is at gatesofvienna.blogspot.com
A: No, in western slang they’d be called backsliders. In a pious Muslims vocabulary, they’d be called apostates. I suggest you do some reading.
Irwin Daisy: No, in western slang they’d be called backsliders. In a pious Muslims vocabulary, they’d be called apostates. I suggest you do some reading.
Apostates are apostates only if they themselves denounce their former religion. An extremist Muslim labelling a practising moderate Muslim an apostate is nothing more than name-calling. It doesn’t discredit the moderate’s form of Islam in any way.
I find it odd that you’ve in effect taken it upon yourself to tell moderate Muslims everywhere–whom you admit exist–that whatever form of religion they think they’re practising is, in fact, not Islam at all. That requires a level of arrogance on your part that boggles the mind.
Of course, you’ll reply by quoting a slew of passages from the Qur’an or the Hadith out of context and claim that these reflect the “real” Islam. And then I’ll reply by quoting a slew of passages from the Old Testament out of context and, using your own logic, claim that these reflect the “real” Christianity. Why don’t we just skip that part, and you tell me straight out why you feel you’re qualified to tell moderate Muslims themselves that their interpretation of Islam is bogus?
More blood spilled.
Iraqi Shiite children
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“Of course, you’ll reply by quoting a slew of passages from the Qur’an or the Hadith out of context and claim that these reflect the “real” Islam. And then I’ll reply by quoting a slew of passages from the Old Testament out of context and, using your own logic, claim that these reflect the “real” Christianity.”
Hey quote the OT all you want. Christians are meant to follow Christ. Admittedly, they haven’t always done a very good job of it and throughout history have abused their faith and Christ’s teachings.
Similarly, Muslims are meant to follow the life example and teachings of ‘Islams perfect man,’ Mohammad. I don’t need to cite passages from the Hadiths, etc. to once again explain what an unbelievably evil bastard he was, by any objective viewpoint.
But, just for fun, lets do a direct comparison between Mohammad’s actions and Christ’s addressing a similar matter (that can’t possibly be taken out of context):
Everybody knows the story about the adultress in the NT – “Let he without sin cast the first stone.” Well, lets see how Mo handled the same situation. A pregnant adultress was brought to him and he sentenced her to death by stoning, but graciously allowed her to give birth to the child first. When it came time to stone her, one of Mo’s companions, Khalid, threw the first stone and got splattered with blood and he cursed her. When she was dead, Mo said a prayer over her. (from the Hadiths)
If moderate Muslims were to follow the example of Mohammad, they would not be moderate. Therefore they are backsliders, and called apostates by those Muslims who do follow the life example of their prophet. For example, Hirsi Ali still considers herself Muslim, yet she has been categorized as an apostate by her own co-religionists. There are other moderates who do not walk in Mohammads footsteps and who do take a stand against much of what Islam teaches. But look at what happens to them, when they go public – they are most often kicked out of their mosque, lose their Muslim friends, are threatened with death and become a pariah, fearing for their life.
Comprende?
Hey Steve Farter, rather than posing as a Conservative, why not admit the obvious – you’re a typical Liberal with a brain stunted in early adolescence mocking your own ignorance.