Stephane Dion has announced that if elected, he will “reinstate” the Canadian Wheat Board should the Conservatives dismantle its monopoly as promised. Farmers in Quebec and Ontario would, of course, continue to enjoy the same freedoms to market their grain that they always have.
Related – Alberta farmers jailed over wheat exports
I’m learning to love this guy already.
Reader “Barc” asks a great question in the comments –
Restore the CWB if it is dismantled? Despite my support for the CWB that is the stupidist policy decision I can think of.
The CWB is considered gov interference (or gov crown/monopoly) under NAFTA.
Under NAFTA you cannot create such a organization without paying penalties to every business or other organization wishing to claim compensation for damage to their business market.
Is Dion proposing to withdraw from NAFTA and destroy the Canadian economy? Or is he proposing that we pay billions in penalties to North American companies for the reinstation of the CWB.
Another reader (Dwight) shares this response to a very good question;
“In response to your question regarding the legal action, all CWB costs are paid from the pool accounts. Any expenditures incurred for legal proceedings will be derived from this source”.
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Cal 2, My own feeling is that the top dogs at the CWB, who know what they are doing, first need a little time for reflection.
New poll by Decima puts Lie-beral’s four points ahead of the Tories, just like when former PMPM declared the Lie-beral’s were on their way to the largest majority in Canadian history. Heh!
Beever. Do you agree that in fighting an enemy as entrenched as the CWB that you need to understand the nature of the beast?
Harper and Chuckie can’t simply change the Act because that takes a majority in Parliament. And Gill, Jake and Dionky will use their majority to stop it.
But the point is … it doesnt require a change in the Act. All it takes is a knowledgeable Minister of the CWB and Cabinet who tell the CWB to grant export licences to western farmers. That’s the only benefit all Quebec, Ontario and the Maritime Farmers have ever had, and the Part IV “so-called monopoly” that applies to them has not been any problem. This isn’t rocket science, but when you have been lied to for 60 plus years its a shocker.
My original post on the Oct 26th,2006 meeting of the Agriculture Committee on the CWB got held up in the filter, but it will come eventually.
It included the evidence from one organic barley farmer from Saskatchewan, and is worth reading for how they are dealt with when selling their product.
But some posters have already been honing in on the licensing issue and it is worth a serious look!
I will post here the evidence given by another Sask organic farmer, and what she had to say about the *discrepencies* from farmer to farmer in Canada. Discrimination…you bet!
Note: ****’s are my highlighting
Ms. Carole Husband: “… The second duty of the Canadian Wheat Board is national licensing, in part IV. Licensing equally applies to all of Canada, just as the Canada Elections Act applies equally to all of Canada. All grain moving both interprovincially and for export is subject to having a licence. There are no exceptions, as Boyd found out, and only the Wheat Board can issue a licence.
When part IV was added as an amendment in 1947, it appears from access to information documents that it was intended to be a national tariff or export taxing provision, with the taxes to be paid to the government and costs paid by the government…..and because of NAFTA the export tax is presently zero dollars.
**However, there is an almost unknown Canadian Wheat Board policy in play that has a different effect upon farmers in different provinces.***
Jean-Pierre lives in Quebec, and markets feed barley into the U.S.A. He gets the necessary Wheat Board export permit and licence and trucks south. Jim, in Alberta, also wants to sell his barley and applies for an export licence. The Wheat Board denies him. The Wheat Board’s policy is to deny all designated area applications, so that Jim cannot bypass the Wheat Board as Jean-Pierre does. With no buyer other than an eager Wheat Board, Jim can eat his load of grain or burn it. He ends up selling to the board, which is no escape from the Canadian Wheat Board’s policy monopoly. Any grain sold to the Wheat Board becomes board grain. A refusal under the national part IV, which is the licensing part, assures the Wheat Board monopoly buying under part III.
****I am always shocked that the Wheat Board bases their monopoly authority upon licensing denial. If the elected Wheat Board directors, stacked with westerners, got ornery and denied all export licences to Quebec and Ontario, the Wheat Board could sell western grain into eastern producers’ established markets and all MPs would pay a little bit closer attention to national licensing and licensing denials.***
***The Wheat Board Act is not an act of prohibition. I should go back and say that even though part IV licences should be equally issued to all Canadians, they are not. The Wheat Board backroom boys, swearing by their policy authority, continue to deny licences just because we live in the west, and this is discrimination.***
****I have a hunch you didn’t know the Wheat Board quietly issues export licences to different categories of applicants who have successfully negotiated with the board to bypass the monopoly.****
****This unadvertised internal policy allows the following groups —that we know of—to bypass the board’s marketing and pooling: one, all wheat or barley grown outside the designated area; two, pedigreed seed wheat and barley grown in the designated area; three, the specialty wheat varieties commonly known as spelt, kamut, and einkorn grown in the designated area; four, processed wheat and barley grown in the designated area and used for feed purposes under the Export Manufactured Feed Agreement, amounting to millions of bushels; five, wheat and barley grown in the Creston-Wynndel region, which were granted licences prior to 1998, when that region was still included in the designated area; and six, Ethiopian barley.***
My husband and I are privileged that the Wheat Board issues export licences to us for our Ethiopian barley so we can personally bypass Wheat Board marketing and pooling. We just sold another load this fall without doing the buy-back, and received over $8 a bushel. We have another unregistered variety of barley, but the Wheat Board won’t issue an export licence for that one.
**** Under the watch of the last government, western farmers were charged for not having export permits and were put in jail.***
These farmers lived in the designated area where export licences were automatically denied. Licence denial is the policy tool the Wheat Board uses to create its monopoly in western Canada.
These are my recommendations:
*****First, the Governor in Council can and must order the Wheat Board to issue export permits to western farmers, just as it does for eastern farmers.******
The Wheat Board will continue to buy and pool the grain for those farmers who choose the board as their marketing agent, just as it does now. Because the act does not have to be changed, the relief from the monopoly can be immediate for those who want to bypass the board, just as it is for us. This relief has been provided for many other applicants in the six categories I just named. All of them bypassed the board because they wanted to, and all were able to because the Wheat Board has willingly revised its policy to accommodate each category. Those asking for a western plebiscite on who gets national export licences are about as credible as men asking for a plebiscite in 1929 to decide whether or not women could have a ballot.
Second, the government must order the Wheat Board to obey its legislation and stop taking money out of the pooling accounts to pay for national licensing. Millions of dollars have been taken out of western pooling accounts for national licensing costs, even though they are supposed to be paid for by the federal government.
Third, the federal government can and must pay back the money taken out of the pooling accounts to pay all national licensing costs of part IV of the Canadian Wheat Board Act.
This is what westerners are paying for: the cost of issuing all provincial, interprovincial, and export licences; all administrative costs relating to the granting and denial of licences; all administrative costs of the big feed mills right across Canada under the Export Manufactured Feed Agreement; all compliance costs of licensing, including working with Canada customs and inspections; all Wheat Board costs relating to importing; and all costs of external and internal meetings and correspondence relating to part IV and other parts.
Recovered licensing costs, even for a ten-year period, will boost the pooling accounts. I realize that Ontario and Quebec are sitting pretty and don’t pay either way, so we ask for your support to shift licensing costs from the west onto the federal government. The Wheat Board itself should have sent a licensing bill to the government, but it appears to have grown accustomed to playing fast and easy with the western pooling accounts. Under the watch of the previous Liberal government’s Wheat Board minister, the Wheat Board took money out of the western pooling accounts to pay for $400-per-plate dinners for directors and staff to attend Liberal fundraisers.”
John…
Agreed… Issueing export licenses would be a start… but the conservatives cannot do anything substantive until a majority is gained. I fear that doing anything in a minority situation that would allow limited marketing freedom short of killing the act in full, would only fuel the fires of the left wingers. If the Libs regained power, they would most certainly expand and entrench the power and influence of the CWB.
I feel that a straight forward question and vote on barley by those who have delivered on average over the last 3 years, an amount equal or greater than 160 acres of production would settle the issue for that grain. There would be a great wailing in the land that this was unfair to small farmers, but in reality, can you really call production that low a viable farm with the expectation of making a profit? That would be enough for a minority gov. to handle. and would be difficult for a Lib. gov. to reverse.
Wheat will only be able to be accomplished by a majority government.
Time to repeal NAFTA and get ourselves out of the UN and drive out the BUILDERBURGS and CFR
Beever, Even if you give me permission to vote on how you market your grain, you don’t get to vote on my marketing.
As for nothing can be done….do you want more than eastern farmers already have? Its there, simply by the granting of a licence.
”As you’re really a one trick pony here, it’s useful to put your complaints about subsidies in the appropriate context.”
Excuse me but the context is about choice and the right to one’s property, is it not? If the argument is valid for the farmer, it should be valid for the wage earner.
And there is always the sub-context around here of the what’s good for the conservative goose ain’t necessarily good for the liberal gander double standard, the tolerance of socialism for groups and programs conservatives like and the prescription of the hard discipline of the marketplace for groups and programs conservatives don’t like.
Kate, if we were looking at, say, Indians crossing borders and engaging in tobacco trade illegally instead of hard-working western farmers doing the same thing, would you feel differently about it? If we disagree with the way things are being done, and with the law, is it okay for us to flout that law? I’m not asking about the merits of the CWB – I’m asking whether you advocate breaking the law here. I do think it opens a large can of worms.
On top of that, the link you provide (“Alberta Farmers Jailed…”) is to a CBC page. Do you reckon that’s credible?
Yup “Alberta Farmers Jailed” is correct and credible. Tho I think all were granted bail and the charges eventually thrown out because of a missed procedural technicality on the part of the border guards.
I have been waiting for someone to ask that question crabgrass. 🙂
Why would people start in a course of action knowing full well the environment and the law surrounding it. And then after dealing with the legal situation declare that the law is unfair.
I understand that sometimes things need to be changed, and this is one way of going about it. but I watch it over and over again.
You cannot honestly tell me they got into the farming business 40 years ago not to farm but to fight for the rights of the individual?? lmao
CWB
Same sex marriage
Marajuna
Speeding
Drinking and driving
They strike me as children told not to do something and then whine or are pissed off at the authorities when they are punished for doing it.
Next on my list of stupid questions.
It infringes on your choice of how to market your grain by a democratic vote for the wheatboard….. Why doesn’t infringe on my marketing choice and my rights when you want to take away the choice I have made for marketing my grain??
(and you can’t use Sasktel as an example of a monopoly with competition since they have only had real competition from a single competitor for 2 weeks now. Did you know 1200 people switched in the first 4 days. That is one every 2 mins during business hours.)
Crabgrass, those farmers were arrested for flouting the law, as you say!
Some had farm equipment confiscated for donating as little as a bushel of grain to a 4-H group in Montana, as they deliberately set about showing how ugly the inequality is right here in Canada.
They, and their families, paid a high price to challenge the law that gives uneven treatment to farmers across this country.
Frankly, that was some gall to throw in the comparison you attempted.
It is particularly distasteful that something so keenly felt by so many on this board, is being compared to your example.
But go ahead, try to make those dudes look sympathetic for selling cross border, illegally, a product subject to tax, for all but those of another race.
Until then, this is one time when farmers here in The West deserve an honest listen.
And Kate will have her own explanation, but until she comes with a better one, shame on you for missing the respect many here feel for our farmers!
And may Dion learn what it is to come against the people of the land, our farmers, out here in The West!
“shame on you for missing the respect many here feel for our farmers!”‘
Not seein’ it here.
This is a debate on ideology for the most part. The bulk of the people here have some reading to do (policy, law, history, ramifications, basic economics, geographic theroy, etc) if they want an intelligent debate with the respect due both sides (and yeah as always that includes me too)
For example, this has far reaching consequences that this person is not considering… it just sounds good to their point of view:
“Time to repeal NAFTA and get ourselves out of the UN and drive out the BUILDERBURGS and CFR”
“It infringes on your choice of how to market your grain by a democratic vote for the wheatboard….. Why doesn’t infringe on my marketing choice and my rights when you want to take away the choice I have made for marketing my grain??”
To resolve the current disparity the wheat board does not need to be dismantled, use of it simply needs to be made optional. Those who think the CWB meets their needs can continue to use it, those who don’t can go elsewhere. If the numbers quoted earlier are accurate and a majority of farmers prefer the CWB it will continue to be a major player.
Denis that would be perfect. However Barcs demands MY grain to be added to his because he thinks it gives him a price advantage. It dosen’t matter what I think. Typical Socialist.
I wonder how Ont would react if the the auto industry had to sell all the cars and parts they manufacture to the Cdn Auto Board, and then turn around and buy them back so they could export them. Of course these cars would never leave the factory before export. And, the price they received for the cars would be set by the CAB and also the price they have to pay to buy them back would also be set. Of course they would have to do the same thing for all cars and parts sold in Canada. On top of that, they would have to fill our forms telling the CAB how many cars of each model they would produce in a production year. Then, at some time in the future they would be given permission to sell x number of cars of x model. The rest must sit in storage until they get permission to sell another set amount. The CWB worked sort of ok until they brought in the Quota system. A 640 acre (1 section) farm could provide a reasonable living for a family. When the quota system meant you could only sell x/bushes/acre, the end was in sight. Most farmers farmed half and half. So, you seeded 320 acres to wheat, barley or whatever. A good crop (in our area=25-35b/ac) meant about 8000 bushels that one could sell at one time, if there were rail cars. At about 1.00/b that was a lot of money 50 yrs ago. You paid your debts and lived very frugally the rest of the year. Then the quota system come in, and the CWB would tell you how many bus/ac you could sell at the initial price. Thru out the year there were interm pymts and eventually a final payment. I remember yrs when we were allowed to sell 200 bushels in Sept and not another quota for 6 mos. Within a very short time the need was for more acres so the small farmer was bought out, then the medium farmer was bought out, to get more acres. Farmers rented out their land, usually for 1/3 of the crop. Of course imput costs kept going up, the crow rate was abolished, and the CWB still told us how they were working for us. Most farmers had cows and hogs, to supplement the grain income. Oh, wait, the packing plants decided that it was uneconomical to have farmers takes hogs and cattle to the railyards in the small towns. Now we had to haul them to a centralized location. Added cost, larger trucks etc. End of production on many farms. Packing plants could not get the numbers of hogs and cattle to meet production and closed. It is a vicious circle, but farmers have prevailed, to feed those eastern liberals at very low cost. Just remember, for every action there is an opposite reaction and that is what liberals refuse to accept. There are still enough past farmers around who remember these things, and also the NEP, so Dion, don’t expect seats in Alberta, and not too many in Sask or Manitoba. BC is lotus land and full of leftist kooks so they may vote liberal out of spite, not intelligence.
It appears we have a new liberano troll full of BS and tripe. He sounds good but refuses to acknowledge the fact that if its mine its not yours.
It doesnt matter if 99% vote for the CWB, if its MINE, its MINE and i will sell it to whomever I chose.
Sorry Denis, there is no such thing as a Dual market. There is a CWB or there is a open market in which the CWB is just another Agricore or Cargill. The pool system might still exist in the company but without the monopoly clout it currently enjoys you lose the pricing advantage. What would be the point of selling there.
“It appears we have a new liberano troll full of BS and tripe. He sounds good but refuses to acknowledge the fact that if its mine its not yours.”
You see what I mean about an ideological debate rather than one on the merits of the CWB?? Its funny. Everywhere else I am considered a Neo-con, How am I a liberal troll here?
“No such thing as a Dual market” is CWB propaganda. These are the people who say in Canadian Courts that the CWB is only accountable to Parliament and have no accountability to farmers; and then internationally they claim they are just a farmers co-op, accountable only to farmers and not the federal government.
Regarding the NAFTA issue – could the CWB be brought back in? Dion’s statement appears to be at odds with what the CWB has said in the past, that once gone, the monopoly can’t be brought back.
It is true that Chapter 11 of NAFTA allows foreign companies to sue for compensation for expropriation of their businesses. But again its important to understand how the CWB works. The only expropriation engaged in by the CWB is of prairie farmer’s grain, (by the denial of export licences).
If there was an open market, and then a return of the beast (CWB), NAFTA would require that the CWB could not steal the grain that the companies had bought from farmers during the free market period, and instead would have to pay fair market value to the companies for that grain. Other than that it would then be back to business as usual – the CWB again expropriating prairie farmers grain.
For the companies, they would continue to handle and buy prairie grain. CWB grains are their easy
money.
The CWB only says the CWB can’t be brought back as a scare tactic. When it suits them, they will say the opposite.
Freedom of choice seems only to apply to women wanting an abortion. The list of freedoms we once had is very long. Soon we will not have the freedom to choose our religion, it will be imposed on us by the muslims or we will be beheaded. All farmers want is the same freedom to choose how and where to sell their grain that a pregnant woman has to kill her child.
Barcs:
What price advantage. No proof exists that the CWB extracts a better price for Western Canadian Grain Farmers. If you have some please provide it. In any event it does not matter. NO ONE should have the right to make me sell my property to a buyer that I do not choose, better price or not. Barcs and CWB supporters can’t understand this. The CWB is dying. It may be a slow death, but it’s dead. If the Federal Government won’t make the necessary changes, Alberta will allow it’s farmers market choice.
John, try CH 3, 15 and 20. You can still set up a monopoly but it cannot be anti-competitive. (i.e. the other partys may choose to use it, or buy from it at market. The CWB is anticompetitive in many ways.
Why is the other sides opinion “propaganda” but your sides opinion isn’t??
Rules or law of any kind is limiting on some peoples freedoms Mary. In a world of finite possibilities by definition you cannot make someone better off without making someone worse off. Every law limits someone somehow.
http://www.commerce.senate.gov/hearings/041902rogowsky.pdf
And a bunch of others. Every US challenge to the CWB dumping grain has eventually resulted in a decision for Canada. Nearly every time a study is done by US governments or universitys comparing Canada and US contract prices. Canada is nearly always higher in every category. (But we sell to a gov organization that is inefficient in wages instead of a bunch of companies in the market to make money for their investors rather then customers.)
“Freedom of choice seems only to apply to women wanting an abortion”
A Nice Slogan:
Abort the Wheatboard. Canadian Farm women demand their right to choose.
MaryT: “Soon we will not have the freedom to choose our religion, it will be imposed on us by Muslims or we will be beheaded.”
Holy crap, MaryT, I hadn’t heard about this. Is this something that Harper has quietly passed? When are the Muslim folks scheduled to take over?
Finally getting back to this very interesting discussion – I do have a life.
And Barcs, you were right – I’m Not paying attention to you! Defeatism is not my shtick.
It has been my experience that “experts” can poke holes in any ideas, but those who become successful in business are the ones who find solutions, not just problems.
Crabgrass; hA hA, ARE YOU TRYING TO BE FUNNY? If you are not aware that the muslim religion of terror is slowly taking over by their demanding rights, (no men in fitness gyms with women, no men in birthing classes, and dozens of more rights, and the latest edit in Somalia that muslims and others that don’t pray 5 times/day will be beheaded, no men allowed to watch female muslim playing BB etc, you have been sleeping for a long time. Hopefully some prince (not dion) will kiss you and wake you up. Cdns have given up so many rights rather than fight and be called racist or a bigot. In other words we have cut and run from reality. When the PM of Iran says convert or die. Pay attention, our liberal left kooks will allow all this to happen. They almost had sharia law in Ont under McGs watch. The msm and liberals are the ones decrying christianity, not Harper. If the dionistas ever get back in power, watch for compulsory respect for muslims. Read the article from some stats/can idiot suggesting that a clown or other person replace Santa at Christmas Parties. TO ALL MUSLIMS, MERRY CHRISTMAS.
We should get rid of the CWB the smart ass farmers think they don’t need. They don’t deserve it. If they think the subsidized American farmers are going to let Canadians compete directly in their markets they are mistaken. And when the USA is glad we’re getting rid the CWB that should tell you something. I just hope after the CWB is gone and when grain prices hit the floor the farmers don’t come whinning to us taxpayers for a handout. But get rid of it anyway farmers are fartsmellers they know what their doing.
Barcs, I agree with your statement: “Every US challenge to the CWB dumping grain has eventually resulted in a decision for Canada.”
But as you say, the challenges have always been about CWB buying and selling grain grown in the designated area, and no consideration has been given by the Americans to the grain that the CWB doesn’t market but still regulates by the licencing Part IV of the CWB Act. In particular there is feed wheat and feed barley grown in the designated area. These grains trade freely as “off-board” in all Canada outside of the CWB monopoly.
However, the policy of the CWB is to deny any exports of “off-board” feed wheat and barley.
So what does this mean? Well it means that all Canadian livestock feeders have access to feed grain that all American livestock feeders can’t access. And since this violates Article 309 of NAFTA, the CWB is putting the entire Canadian livestock industry at risk of U.S. challenge of countervale. For example, R-CALF is just looking for a way to stop Canadian Beef at the border.
John. A good example of one of the ways the CWB contravenes NAFTA. And why it will never come back if it is dismantled. Today tho. Its a “maintained” State Trading Enterprise rather than a new STE. The rules are not quite the same.
Mary has a good example too. Whose rights are being curtailed by the rules/law??? Ours, or theirs??
You farmers deserve to go broke. You have no idea what getting rid of CWB will do to you so why don’t you admit it.
Actually. I do have an idea what it will do to my farming business.
In the context of my farm it is essentially a wash. Some of my neighbours would benefit from an open market, but the vast majority would not.
(Joys of writing university papers)
In my opinion the CWB makes me a small amount of money as compared to the open market. The difference is the amount of work necessary to market my grain. While I spend thousands in time and building business relationships with my non-board crops(about 1/2 my production), with the CWB it is essentially none unless I use their marketing options.
Barcs, Article 1503 states:
“1. Nothing in this agreement shall be construed to prevent a Party from maintaining or establishing a state enterprise.”
To me that seems pretty clear, but you can have your own interpretation.
Are you aware that section 61.1 of the CWB Act right now requires the CWB to comply with NAFTA? There is no free pass because it is a “maintained” STE.
Does it not concern you that CWB bureaucrats are placing Canadian livestock feeders at countervale risk?
I told you that you can maintain or establish STE’s. You just have to comply with several rules against anti-competitiveness. Section 15-02.2 and .3
(which the CWB doesn’t always do)
The CWB act requiring itself to be compliant with NAFTA act is not the same as NAFTA requiring the CWB to be compliant. (There is no penalty or judgments from outside the organization.)
Its not a free pass, but the rules aren’t quite the same.
Glenardo, thank-you for the very interesting information re the trade-offs with wheat. A few years ago I read about tons and tons of wheat from Canada, left to rot on Steamships, in USSR..Turdo sent it there..I am not making this up…
The thing is Glenardo, I knew that the WB was running hundreds of prairie farmers out of business – in Sask the culvert they have for a premier has dreams of making Sask. one big collective farm so a single desk would be selling the wheat of a sole producer – the province of Sask – Get rid of that monster right away people of Sask. The culvert is not harmless. The culvert was in Ottawa today – was he talking to Liberano$/Dippers or to PMSH?
I digress…I had no idea that that little game you describe was going on Glenardo – what ‘game’ was going on with the oil for food folks (we all know WHO they are!) and Saddam (and China??) using Canadian wheat to broker deals?? Hummm?
Kate you have put the answer to the question on the table – Let us proceed to open the books. DEMAND to open the books. Be loud and don’t stop demanding that those books go directly to the AG at once, then re look at the viability of the WB. Don’t ask DEMAND. I am sending a letter to the related MP’S, How about an on-line petition? I don’t know how to do that but maybe someone here does – I’d sign it and direct lots of others to do the same. Easter bunny has to be held to account. Bounce directly to jail bunny Easter.
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Tell your Tories to open the books. In Alberta they have squandered billions. Where did the billions go? To farmers? Politicians?Taxpayers? Big Buisness? You answer that and we’ll both know.
The wheatboard should go but any farmer who loses too much money on the open market should go cry to someone else besides us taxpayers. Most farmers don’t know what will happen. I know a lot will lose that’s the way the open market works. The US gov’t tells farmers what to grow in order to get the subsidy. 300,000,000 pay for 1,000,000 farmers. We have 34 million and eastern Canada won’t pay for western farmers and we can’t do it ourselves.
Hey Mary T. I like your analogy about the abortion thing. Can’t u just imagine the howling if the girls in the west were allowed abortions and the ones in the east weren’t?
btw. i’m not in favor of abortion but it’s a good analogy.
Same thing with the wb. if it’s not compulsory in the east, then it’s not in the west either.
Like i’ve said before, i sell canola flax peas mustard canary oats non board all the time and have for years and i’m still here, and i wouldn’t want it any other way. I don’t hit the top all the time but you can’t tell me the wb does either. And in alot of case’s i think they hit the bottom! and charge me to do it!
i’m also tired of evertime someone goes on strike between the farm gate and port we pay the bill (out of the pool account) and now it looks like i have to pay to protect someones cushy job in the cwb over a court challenge….nobody asked me if i wanted to do that either! I say edie’os amigo’s cwb and if you don’t want to pay me to feed people, then i will feed birds….most of the time they pay better anyway. I heard the other day the u.s. spends billions on pet food
every year.
Merry Christmas all
Remember the reason for the season is Jesus, he died for you and me.
Well its just like what AL GORE wanted to do when he was running in 2000 he told a member of the FFA to find anew profession becuase he was going to shut down all farming in america and have us get our food from 3rd world nations which make GORE and extremists gaia worshipping pagan eco-freak