A Tim Hortons Soldier Fires Back

85 Replies to “A Tim Hortons Soldier Fires Back”

1. Powerful stuff–clear and to the point, in contrast to the nonsense of the leftist fools who use their freedoms to piss on those who protect them.

2. Hey Zip if your over there then you might be working with the types I mentioned, but I recall things going pretty good over there now what happened? We have people going into schools look for recruits, so the chances of street gang members getting training plus experience increases. Now some are saying this fight might go on for another 5-10 years so the people at home have to put up with crazies in our streets.
   KABUL, Afghanistan — One of Afghanistan’s leading members of parliament, Mrs. Malalai Joya, warns that the current U.S. policy in Afghanistan is virtually certain to lead to another 9/11.
   Joya has a unique perspective. In 2003, she blew the whistle on warlords and drug traffickers whom she said were being incorporated into the Afghan government. Ever since, she has received death threats on a daily basis.
   The British are thinking of pulling out next year, so that’ll leave us with the states fighting this war. Germany showing off with Afghani skulls? You want this stuff associated with your service? Maybe some of them Afghani’s you turned over to the Americans were some of the people who’s children were raped by the americans trying to get them to talk? You really want this shit connected to you? Somalia all over again?

3. Uh…Senilis Council? The word council is a clue to something. Check these links out…
   http://www.senliscouncil.net/modules/about_us
   and
   http://www.mercatorfund.net/modules/about_us
   From countries who are annoyingly not participating in the effort. That figures.
   What are these persons real interests? Hard to tell. The description as a “think-tank” in the about us suggests a whole lot of thinking and no action.
   No fighting man should pay much attention to these nilly-willys.

4. Thank you for posting that Kate, it made my day.
   I saw O’Connor and Hillier being grilled at the foreign affairs committee the other day by Alexa Mcdonough about Norine MacDonald’s statements.
   If the Senlis Council thinks we should bring our troops home, wouldn’t that mean that they also don’t believe it’s our responsibility to assist Afghan children? That warlards waiting in the wings will return the country to an inaccessible no-go zone for aid workers?
   I for one cannot wait until Bush is no longer president, for the sole reason that the majority of the world’s problems will no longer be attributed to him.
   Exile, how do Muslim women fare under the following regimes: Bush, Harper, Muhamejad, the House of Saud, etc. Who would you say respects their rights more? Who wants to assert oppressive imperial fundamentalist power over their lives?
   Why are Islamofascists given a free pass by left, yet our forces and our democratic leaders are considered warmondering murderers?

5. The T.H. poll running 62.40 yes and 37.60 no. Will someone wipe that smirk off Kevin’s face, please.

6. yo..see what i mean…somalia all over again????the actions of one psycho(who i served with, and had a fist fight with in petawawa), and you have the nerve to criticize the whole mission…my brother put his life on the line daily to provide power to remote clinics…i suppose he is a skullf…er as well???…u r a f…ing moron….change your name to ‘alignedwiththeidiotmoonbatssam’

7. excuse the tone folks, but these idiot moonbats who presume to understand how the real world works can sometimes make my blood boil…especially when they insult my brother’s crew who did one hell of a job, with minimal support from home, in somalia…GO ARMY

8. “It is these instances, few and far between, that I would agree with consoring the viewpoints of spew such as Jeff and exile.”
   Young Canuck – as much as I feel like you do in most cases, I think it would be a bad idea to censor these two.
   First, it is simple example of why our good men and women in the armed forces do – and always have done – what they do. That is to give all of our citzens the right to speak and live freely. If they abuse the priviledge, it only looks bad on them.
   Second, for the same reason I read the Toronto Star on Saturday (other than the TV listings). I need my weekly dose of socialist dogma to keep things in perspective. As soon as I read the Op-Ed page and the letters, I know, without a doubt, that I am on the ‘right’ side.

9. so you figure that our troops have support?
   Why do they cry for more help?

10. Hey Kingstonlad, try not to pay too much attention to the jeffs and neuteredsams of the world. They will never see the light and only exist to try and agrivate people who show what they believe in by putting on a uniform for their country. To them November 11th is just another stat holiday.
    To whine that soldiers in a combat theater can actually get a double double once in a while to remind them of home is truly childish and they should be treated as such.

11. Excellent rebuttal…
    THANK YOU and your comrades for the job you do!!!

12. We have 178 this dead year, not counting wounded, how great a number should we say is enough?
    What are you fighting for?
    You think them guys in the villages are gonna attack us at home???
    Where are the US bases? not around the pipe line…

13. So I can take it that your ok with raping children in front of their parents for information?
    If this is what the Canadian Army stands for I;m against it, so do all my family that aren’t here but fought for our freedom!

14. Taliban Jack Layton/NDP waves the white flag of surrender;
    the white feathers of cowardice fill his mouth.
    Taliban Jack Layton; forever known as Taliban Jack Layton; a coward; a dhimmi to Muslim Islamist terrorists.
    Tar and feathers for Taliban Jack Layton: Coward. …-
    Jack Layton’s speech at the Bring the Troops Home Rally [In Toronto, Canada]
    Sat 28 Oct 2006
    …
    “We gather to make our voices heard and tell the Prime Minister: it’s time to pull our troops out of Kandahar. Canada must help the people of Afghanistan rebuild their lives but this Liberal – Harper mission is the wrong mission for Canada.
    Stephen Harper thinks he’s smarter than Canadians.
    So do the Liberals, who put us there and helped the Conservatives keep us there.
    So do many of the elites, and the editorial writers.
    They all think that they’re smarter than YOU … that only they know what’s best for this country.
    And yet … many Canadians still feel in their hearts that this mission is wrong for Canada.
    So do more and more of the military families of soldiers serving in Afghanistan.
    Dale Wilson, whose son died in Afghanistan, said that despite originally supporting the mission, “the mission isn’t moving forward and my support has wavered”.
    Chris Craig, whose son is preparing for a second tour; Paul Short, the father of a 25 year old army medic, and many others are asking the tough questions we’ve been raising in the House of Commons, day in and day out.”

15. The Lefties have a really big problem. On one hand they pretend to support their fellow downtrodden man. Health Care for all, Education for all, Nobody goes hungry. But they also have an intense hatred for anything military. Under no circumstance can they be seen to support any sort of military objective. It is easier for these Marxists to flush the women and children of Afganistan down the toilet, than recognize that our Armed Forces men and women are doing a noble task.

16. What support, people that rape and murder children for profit? This is about money not freedom or rights. The people of Afghanistan will decide what rights they want, not us at the point of a gun.
    What’s going wrong over there, that the violence is increasing? Why don’t the Afghani people embrace them anymore?
    You think torturing their family members has anything to do with it?

17. Kate why do you allow scum like neuteredislam post here and make us all ill?

18. master corporal Hill accomplishes another sniper’s bulls eye of sorts.
    p.s., the timbits and coffee FORTIFY the soldiers with brief reminiscences of home, a reminder of ‘why they are there’. thus the payoff in their tummies works big time. regardless of the fact the instability and chaos caused by the TALIBAN creates starvation amongst the local kids.

19. sam is most assuredly not neutral.
    and knows not a twit about the dynamics of any level or type of war.
    my God I am wearing my poppy with exceptional pride in these soldiers this year.

20. Why do you continue the troll’s game, and then wonder why they don’t go away?

21. p.s. Im waiting for the local fabric store to resupply with the 3″ yellow ribbon so I can put a MASSIVE one on the parking sign in front of my place.

22. the difference Kate is I dont address my comments *to* the toll, only *about* the troll. there is a difference. it robs them of the response they seek at the same time cutting them off at the knee.

23. Have MacDonald’s concerns really been addressed?
    While she thinks the international community must stay, MacDonald said Canada needs to develop a different military strategy than the one used by the United States in Afghanistan.
    “The U.S.-led international community’s narrow, homeland security interpretation of security has misdirected urgent development funds towards physical security-related objectives, to the extent that military spending outpaces development and reconstruction spending by a colossal 900 per cent.”
    Her report includes a chart showing that total military expenditures in Afghanistan were US$82.5 billion between 2002 and 2006. In comparison, development spending totaled US$7.3 billion over that period.
    Afghans see foreigners as putting their own security needs ahead of those of Afghans, it said.
    “The heavy-handed tactics the international military forces have used to pursue this ‘security’ has led to severe disillusionment with the international community, and a widespread and deepening distrust of the western world.”
    Focusing on security and counter-narcotics polices while ignoring extreme poverty is destroying nation-building efforts and aiding the Taliban’s revival, it said.
    “Our Military base in Kandahar has a Burger King and a Tim Hortons. And 15 minutes away, there are children dying of starvation,” said MacDonald.
    Was she really begrudging CF members their creature comforts, or was she asking a question about how Afghan civilians, displaced and harmed by military actions, were likely to perceive the priorities of those who claim to be their protectors and helpers?
    Did this ‘lead field researcher in Kandahar province’ really deserve to be treated as ‘sitting back in [her] recliner, after turning up the thermosat and having a warm shower.’?
    Frankly, it looks to me like Mcpl Trevor Hill (Ret.) honestly misunderstood the source and the intention of MacDonald’s comments.
    And, of course, a great number of people have been quite willing to torque the pseudo-MacDonald/Hill exchange to serve their own ends.
    Has the goal of better understanding been served?
    I doubt it.

24. Oh, and by the way, here’s another ‘gem’ from a CF family member, by way of the Canadian Peace Alliance:
    We have just today been contacted by more family members of people serving in Afghanistan who are calling for the troops to be brought home now. Here is a sample of one e-mail I received,
    “My son has been in Afghanistan since August, it’s his second tour and he calls it an hell hole and he can’t wait to get out of there! A few of his friends have been injured and he fears that there may be more killed before he comes home. This summer I started a petition to bring our troops back.”
    I have almost two hundred names. Would this help your cause? Would like to hear from you.”

25. You think them guys in the villages are gonna attack us at home???
    This blockhead should google “9/11” or “War on Terror” to find out the largest (previous) location of terrorist training cells.
    But, oops! I forgot. It’s “all about oil”, isn’t it? Poor old leftwing lazy thinkers… only playing a horn that blows one note.
    mhb23re

26. Stephen quoted: “My son has been in Afghanistan since August, it’s his second tour and he calls it an hell hole and he can’t wait to get out of there! A few of his friends have been injured and he fears that there may be more killed before he comes home. This summer I started a petition to bring our troops back.”
    No way!
    A mother fearing for the safety of her son?
    Say it isn’t so!
    My mother had a similar fearful reactions when I went overseas, and I called Kosovo and Bosnia plenty of things worse than a “hell hole”.
    Mommy dearest has every right to wish for her sons safety and security but she has missed the point of why little Johnny is there in that hell-hole. He is there because he volunteered to serve in the Army, he is there to help people who can not help themselves. I wonder if she would be proud of her little Johnny if he turned his back on someone who needed his help here in Canada? I wonder if Johnny knows his mom is calling for him to abandon the people of Afghanistan to the tender mercies of the Taliban/
    Also, just because you are related to someone in the CF and disaprove of the mission in Afghanistan doesn’t make you any more of an authority, doesn’t lend any more creedence to your opinion, and doesn’t mean that you know what you are talking about.

27. RE: “Afghans see foreigners as putting their own security needs ahead of those of Afghans, it said.”
    Personally I do not have a problem with that statement and I think most Americans and Canadians would agree. We do put our own security first. I expect that from my federal government. It is the most important part of the federal governments responsibilites. Without security the rest does not matter. No one wants to work or invest in something that has a likelihood of being destroyed.
    Also..RE: “We have just today been contacted by more family members of people serving in Afghanistan”
    The fact that the NDP and press troll for unhappy soldiers and family members is not really even news anymore. It is not that tough to find a spokesman for those who are not happy with or in the military. They are actively sought out by the left and the press and they are given a disproportionate amount of coverage.
    Also RE: It is all about oil.
    Damn right. Afghanistan and Iraq get really hot and really cold and their people need cooking fuel too. The lefties would rather they starve in the dark so the Afghans will not end up contributing to climate change or getting too fat and then dying of heart disease instead of starvation, thereby putting inordinate stress on the socialist health care system. /s
    Also, I notice that Russias’ actions in Afghanistan and Iran and Iraq and Russias’ need to sell oil and Russian and Chicom actions and interests are IGNORED whenever the left discuss this war and our foreign policy.

28. Oh I see; because the troops, away from home on a dangerous mission, aren’t howling with delight, we must “support” them by bringing them home. Anyone who has served for more than a nanosecond in any military organization, knows that soldiers bitch. Ask a soldier if they want to go home and, of course, they would. Ask them if we should abandon the mission and you will get a different answer. And neutralsam, ask them if they are child rapists and murders, without a shred of evidence, and you will get a resounding answer.

29. Key paragraph:
    “Canada had placed the same caveats or restrictions on its troops until eight months ago when Canadian ground forces launched their first offensive operations since the Korean War.”
    The government of Canada “until eight months ago” was ?
    The Conservative government of Prime Minister Stephen Harper removed the “restrictions on its troops”.
    Down with Taliban Jack Layton/NDP.
    Down with the Taliban.
    God bless Stephen Harper and Canada.
    …-
    Taliban targeted Canadian troops
    CanWest News Service via National Post
    Matthew Fisher
    Sub Headline: NATO military chief: ‘Canada responded magnificently’ to enemy attacks
    MONS, Belgium – The Taliban specifically targeted Canadian forces in southern Afghanistan this year in an attempt to weaken NATO’s political resolve, but the strategy backfired badly on the Islamic extremists, the often outspoken U.S. marine who commands the trans-Atlantic alliance said yesterday.
    “I think the Canadian leadership in the south is the answer to what was a clearly an open question in some communities. Would NATO fight if tested?” General James Jones said in an interview at SHAPE headquarters in southern Belgium. “They chose to test Canada and Canada responded magnificently … The enemy was soundly defeated.”
    But that defeat came at a cost. Canada has lost 34 soldiers in southern Afghanistan since it sent a battle group into the province of Kandahar in March.
    Canada, along with Britain, the United States and the Netherlands, have done almost all of the heavy fighting in southern Afghanistan since combat escalated sharply there earlier this year.
    Other countries, such as Germany, which has more soldiers in Afghanistan than Canada, have refused to allow their troops to participate in combat operations, preferring to deploy them with much stricter rules of engagement in the significantly quieter north.
    Canada had placed the same caveats or restrictions on its troops until eight months ago when Canadian ground forces launched their first offensive operations since the Korean War. …-
    3w.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1730040/posts
    Remembrance Day: 11 November, 2006.
    (Notice the city of Mons, Belgium: A story by itself: search.)
    Lest We Forget
    “To you from failing hands we throw the torch; be yours to hold it high”.
    In Flanders Fields
    John McCrae

30. Now I would pay to be around when neuteredsam asks a soldier if he is a child rapist as Shamrock suggested he do. Oh, and my first aid certificate would be expired too (sorry can’t help).

31. Wow, where do I start. For those of us in uniform in the CF, I guess that there is just too many out there that just don’t get it. For me, I’m in the Navy, there were and are just too many times that I was away when I stood on the Bridge, was deployed in a foreign country, or away “just because” and wondered just for a minute – am I making a difference.
    I was. But that was tempered by the impact that I knew it was having on my wife and three kids; two of whom still make me pay for the time away to this day.
    For jeff and neutralsam, until you’ve walked a meter in my shoes, don’t ever question whether I have the right to enjoy my Tim’s or my 2 beer per man per day.
    Furthermore, it is disgraceful that you even have the audacity to question the 99.9999% who have the moral, ethical and intestinal fortitude to do the things that we do without question of our own personal harm, and have stood up to the minority within our own who fell below the standard of excellence that we demand of ourselves and others. We don’t demand that of those that we help, but will sacrifice everything that we have to make their lives that much easier just for a few moments because we believe that we are there to help.
    That is what it means to wear that Canadian Flag on our shoulder and walk into the worst parts of the world when many others can’t or won’t.
    For a long time, the Liberals took that away from Canada, maybe finally we’ve gotten that back and be proud of it.

32. Hey I never said anything about Tims, you might as well enjoy it while you can.
    I see that most of our troops are getting on in their years so this might not bother them as much as the younger ones, but the US has dropped 700 tons or more of DU munitions in afghanistan so the family futures of the younger soldiers will have to come from adoptions.
    I don’t think your doing any good over there and should come home, but this is what all the training the taxpayers paid for so I guess they’ll keep you and future generations of children over there.
    The warlords in government the ones the Taliban removed after the soviets left. the Afghanis want peace but since the US put the Warlords in power the people don’t see any chances of peace in the future.
    One of Afghanistan’s leading members of parliament, Mrs. Malalai Joya, warns that the current U.S. policy in Afghanistan is virtually certain to lead to another 9/11.
    The so-called “Northern Alliance,” a coalition of regional and religious organizations, governed Afghanistan from 1992 to 1996 before one of its member groups, the Taliban, took over the government. After a U.S.-led coalition in 2001 ousted the Taliban regime in response to the 9/11 attacks, Northern Alliance figures were appointed to government positions despite their extensive and well-documented history of human rights abuses.
    And from Joya’s perspective, that’s the biggest problem Afghanistan now faces.
    Malalai Joya says the former Mujahideen – “warlords who have now learned how to talk about democracy and women and how to wear a suit and a tie” – are no better than the Taliban: “Every country that wants to prove itself as real and honest friends of the Afghan people must stop following the policy of the U.S., because this is not a real democracy and this is not a real war on terror. At one hand they are saying ‘we fight the Taliban’ and on the other we have members of parliament who are Taliban. The only way is to stop this policy. If they don’t stop this policy, I am sure that one day there will be another September 11. Another September 11 will happen — because they are like the Taliban [and] they will act like the Taliban.”

33. Weakneed cowards/politicians will be the cause of any terrorist scores, not a world united.

34. Here’s one good soldier that could not put up with what you all cheer for. But the army covered it up…wonder why???
    She was Army specialist Alyssa Peterson, 27, a Flagstaff, Az., native serving with C Company, 311th Military Intelligence BN, 101st Airborne. Peterson was an Arabic-speaking interrogator assigned to the prison at our air base in troubled Tal-Afar in northwestern Iraq. According to official records, she died on Sept. 15, 2003, from a “non-hostile weapons discharge.”
    Alyssa Peterson, a devout Mormon, had graduated from Flagstaff High School and earned a psychology degree from Northern Arizona University on a military scholarship. She was trained in interrogation techniques at Fort Huachuca in Arizona, and then sent to the Middle East in 2003.
    “Peterson objected to the interrogation techniques used on prisoners. She refused to participate after only two nights working in the unit known as the cage. Army spokespersons for her unit have refused to describe the interrogation techniques Alyssa objected to. They say all records of those techniques have now been destroyed….”
    Not many people like to watch others rape and murder children infront of their parents just for some intell they might have.
    If your all so tough why don’t you google the pics and video and see if you still approve of this kind of tihs.
    Mr Green they kicked out once the media got hold of the fact that he was unstable before he went to Iraq. So he’s in civilian court for rape and murder, not as lucky as the other 4 who face a military trail.

35. Ha, its a dog eat dog world neutralsam (yeah, I know, its a pretty cliche catch phrase, but accurate). I approve of it, and I won’t waste my breath explaining why – you can just ponder this: “There is nothing either good or bad, but thinking makes it so.” -Shakespeare. And I mean REALLY freaking think about it.