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  1. As usual, leftdog and Ted use the leftists favourite tactic, that of Moral relevance.It works both ways it seems…they use it for themselves when they deny that Hezbollah is a terrorist organization,because Israel is doing far worse,so they are really the terorist..
    Then they would love to turn around and say,’Well,Jason Kenney hangs with terrorists,so he is just as bad as our terrorist supporters..”
    moral equivalency is sheer lunacy..
    The left just like to jump at any chance at “gotcha” politics.
    You know what Ted, et al? I and many others really don’t give a sh*t what your lot cares or doesn’t care about any more..to us,you are just gums flapping in the wind..Your kinds mindset has proven to be dangerous to the well being of our way of life..
    Get used to not being heard more and more after the next majority

  2. Ted the pro-Iranian group that you are referring to is pro-Iranian, as is my neighbor who says that the Mullahs and the president are “a piece of shit” but are anti the current murdering government. Remember Zahra Kazemi they are fighting to be free of Islamic. Fanatics and anyone who is against the present madmen ruling Iran is OK with me. “Dozens of Iranians and supporters of the Iranian Resistance joined in a rally in front of the Canadian Parliament to condemn (the) clerical regime’s plan to execute political prisoners in Iran, specially those affiliated to the PMOI.”
    The group has been lobbying to persuade governments in the United States and United Kingdom to remove it from their terror blacklists, and promotes itself as the democratic secular alternative to the Islamic clerical rulers of Iran.”

  3. Kursk:
    Talk about moral equivalency!
    On the one hand, you have the Liberals firing lowly supporters and MPs for some soft support for Hezbollah. The Liberal Party isn’t denying Hezbollah is a terrorist organization: we put them on the terrorist list and we are removing supporters from places of prominence who say otherwise. That’s called clarity.
    On the other hand, you have the echo chamber here defending Jason Kenney, the de facto Deputy PM, and his welcoming of a terrorist group, on behalf of the government and the Prime Minister, on Parliament Hill!!!!
    Kenney knew who these people were. He tried to fly to one of their rallies in Paris earlier this year on my tax dollars last spring, but even Harper realized just how bad and hypocritical that would look.
    Ted

  4. Alan:
    A terrorist group gets on the list because of its activities, particularly its violent actions that harm civilians indiscriminately.
    If Jason Kenney and the Conservatives think that the ends of this organization are so worthy as to justify the means which they employ to achieve it, then take them off the bloody list of terrorists! Heck, even Hamas and Hezbollah also help out poor Palestians and Lebanese, but that doesn’t justify their terrorism.
    You guys are the government. If you want to cavort with terrorists, then you could take them off the terrorist list. But you haven’t.
    Ted

  6. Ted: If we were to go back to my original post and if you want to play the “moral outrage” game, I’d say that it’s the Tories leading the Grits, 3-1…that is, the Liberals are currently 300% worse than the Liberals. And, as I said before, you don’t have Kenney on record apologizing for the MEK, like Borys.
    I, for one, will not excuse Kenney lightly…if the facts as you present them are correct. The difficulty is in determining if your facts are correct, or if those of other posters are correct. I don’t have that information.
    Be that as it may, Ted, the ball is in your court now.

  7. thanks Ted for pointing out your original error.
    The group that Kenney spent a few minutes with after finding them on Parliament Hill is NOT on the terrorist list.
    Other groups have attempted to smear them as a MEK front, but they are not on the list.
    So did you outright lie, or just, in Liberal desperation to change the channel, make an honest mistake ??
    You can’t cavort with a “terrorist” group that is NOT on the terrorist list.

  9. Ted: By the way, it wasn’t Thomas Hubert (?) that I was referring to…it was Jim Karygiannis:
    As noted on another thread:
    “I was at the rally, yes,” said Jim Karygiannis, MP for the Toronto-area riding of Scarborough-Agincourt. “It was a FACT (Federation of Associations of Tamil Canadians)
    rally. It’s not their first or the last that I’ve been to.”
    Now, having quoted that, you’ll likely have the same argument that others were using for the group that Kenney met…that they are NOT on the terrorist list and that they were just being smeared.
    So, I guess it comes down to “righties” apologizing for Conservatives and “lefties” apologizing for Liberals. But the Liberals are STILL 300% worse (maybe even 400%)!

  10. Thanks Fred, that clears that up. But it raises the question:
    How do we support Iranians that want regime change in Iran?
    The West is spilling the blood of our soldiers on three battle fronts now – Afghanistan, Iraq and Lebanon- where even the French are stepping up with more troops today. But Iran is the sponsor behind all this death and destruction.
    There’s a lot of Iranian people and money here in Toronto. I know some Iranians that want the Mullahs removed. I talked to a young lad that lives on my street that took the risk of being in a protest march against the Mullahs in Teheran. We need to support this. They can’t understand why Canada doesn’t do something more overt in the way of support.
    We need a Foreign Policy that deals with Iran. This is what all 308 expensive MPs should be debating in parliament, not nanny care.

  11. Hey Ted, what the hell are you on?
    From your site, that magical box of -unattributed- text
    “National Council of Resistance of Iran, the political wing of the PMOI, or People’s Mojahedin”
    Everything I can find on the National Council of Resistance of Iran indicates it -opposes- the current regime.
    As someone else asked – are you lying (poorly) or just making a huge, honest mistake?

  12. No Fred. That is indeed one and the same organization. And there is no question that Kenney knew they were on the list. I hear he has been trying to get them off the list in fact and is very familiar with them.
    The point is: the Conservatives can take them off the list if they think it isn’t a terrorist group. They haven’t and Kenney continues to work with them and speak with them on behalf of the government.
    Ted

  13. Ted, you said: And there is no question that Kenney knew they were on the list. I hear he has been trying to get them off the list in fact and is very familiar with them. . . Kenney continues to work with them and speak with them on behalf of the government.
    Could you please cite a source for these “facts”? With all due respect, your credibility is paper thin on this topic.

  14. IMO, any organisation that is working against those mullah f#@*@%s and their extremist henchmen deserves a medal. So why are they on the terrorist list?

  15. Hhhhmmmm. Looks like a lying liberano, sounds like a lying liberano, well ted your lying liberano ass is showing……

  16. I hear he has been trying to get them off the list in fact and is very familiar with them.
    So first you’re quoting Peggy Nash, and now it’s “I hear”?
    Lame.

  19. Robert:
    I’m sure the organization has lofty aims at taking down the current Iranian regime. Wikipedia (which isn’t the best source but at least it is accessible) thinks they aren’t so very much better than what is there now. I’d provide the direct links but this post will get bumped by Kate’s filter. Look it up at Wikipedia.
    First of all, the terrorist group that Jason Kenney welcomed on behalf of the government operates under many recognized names:
    The People’s Mujahedin of Iran (PMOI) is an Iranian opposition group. Other names for it include Mujahideen-e-Khalq Organization (MKO) and Mojahedin-e-Khalq (MEK). Its armed wing is called the National Liberation Army of Iran (NLA). It is also known as National Council of Resistance (NCR) of Iran.
    I also understand that it goes by a whole bunch of other names (some of which may simply be different translations of the same Persian name).
    What are its lofty goals one may ask? Well, Wikipedia has an aswer for that as well:
    According to reports and documents of the U.S. Department of State, the philosophy of the MEK is a combination of Marxism and Islam. Formed in 1965 against the Shah’s authoritarian government, the organization was expelled from Iran after the Islamic Revolution in 1979, and its primary support came from the former Iraqi government of Saddam Hussein starting in the late 1980s. The MEK conducted anti-Western attacks prior to the Islamic Revolution. Since then, it has conducted terrorist attacks against the interests of the cleric-dominated governmental system in Iran and abroad. The MEK advocates the overthrow of the Iranian government and its replacement with the group’s own leadership.
    Before the 2003 invasion of Iraq, the group received all of its military assistance, and most of its financial support, from the former Iraqi government. The MEK also has used front organizations to solicit contributions from expatriate Iranian communities. The PMOI has been officially designated as a Foreign Terrorist Organisation by the United States and is proscribed by the European Union (EU).
    Three appeals of this designation have been turned down by the State Department (once under Clinton and twice under Bush).
    They are also on our list of terrorist organizations.
    I just love to watch the echo chamber squirm and contort when faced with the hypocrisy of one they revere.
    Ted

  20. Just found this nugget from Hansard (via Giant Political Mouse: giantpoliticalmouse.blogspot.com).
    It seems that Mr. Kenney is not the only Conservative MP who has met with this terrorist group. It seems that the current Minister of SECURITY also has close contacts with and meets with this terrorist organization. He even admited in Parliament as recorded in Hansard!
    This is going to get bigger and bigger. What rank hypocrisy.
    Ted

  21. So what do we have here? We have the Parliamentary Secretary to the Prime Minister of Canada and the Federal Minister of Security who have both been meeting with and talking to a group that the United States Dept of State says is a dangerous terrorist organization. Well, well, well. Exactly what is going on in Ottawa with this Conservative government.
    We want answers. How about we start with an official enquiry

  22. Oh, just found some more.
    Fred’s list was actually the list from the US State Department. This is the from the Canadian Ministry of Public Safety, you know, Stock Day’s charge (http://www.psepc.gc.ca/prg/ns/le/cle-en.asp#mek30):
    Mujahedin e Khalq (MEK)
    Also known as:
    From its original Persian name, Sãzimãn‑i Mujãhidn‑i Khalq‑i Irãn (Holy Warrior Organization of the Iranian People) / Sazman‑i Mojahedin‑i Khalq‑i Iran (Organization of the Freedom Fighters of the Iranian People) / Sazeman‑e Mojahedin‑e Khalq‑e Iran (Organization of People’s Holy Warriors of Iran) / Sazeman‑e‑Mujahideen‑e‑Khalq‑e‑Iran, the group’s name was shortened to Mujahedin‑e‑Khalq (MEK) or Mojahedin‑e Khalq Organization (MKO). Other spellings: Mujahiddin e Khahq, al‑Khalq Mujahideen Organization , Mujahedeen Khalq, Modjaheddins khalg, Moudjahiddin‑é Khalq. The MEK is also known as: National Liberation Army of Iran (NLA) (the military wing of the MEK) / Armée de Libération nationale iranienne (ALNI); People’s Mujahidin Organization of Iran (PMOI) / People’s Mujahedin of Iran (PMOI) / Organisation des moudjahiddin du peuple d’Iran (OMPI) / Organisation des moudjahidines du peuple
    Description:
    The Mujahedin‑e‑Khalq (MEK) is an Iranian terrorist organization that was based in Iraq until recently. It subscribes to an eclectic ideology that combines its own interpretation of Shiite Islamism with Marxist principles. The group aspires to overthrow the current regime in Iran and to establish a democratic, socialist Islamic republic. This Islamic socialism can only be attained through the destruction of the existing regime and the elimination of Western influence, described as “Westoxication” . To achieve this Islamic ideology, the use of physical force, armed struggle or jihad is necessary. Besides having had an alliance with Saddam Hussein, the organization has or had ties with: Amal, the Kurdish Democratic Party of Iran (KDPI), the Palestine Liberation Organization (PLO), Al Fatah, and other Palestinian factions. The MEK is even suspected of past collusion with the regime of the Taliban in Afghanistan.
    Date listed
    May 24, 2005

  23. Finally, CSIS weighs in on some examples of why Kenney’s terrorist friends are listed on the terrorist group listing (www.csis-scrs.gc.ca/en/publications/perspectives/200004.asp):
    On 5 April, 1992, the Iranian Air Force conducted a bombing raid on an MEK base in Iraq. Hours later, forty MEK supporters wielding sticks, crowbars and mallets attacked the Iranian embassy in Ottawa, wounding several people. Near-simultaneous attacks were carried out on Iranian Embassies in thirteen other countries around the world
    On 15 February, 1999, PKK leader Abdullah Ocalan was arrested in Kenya. The next day, violent PKK supporters rioted in Montreal, and a day later in Ottawa. Several police officers were wounded, including one who lost an eye, and another who was set on fire with a Molotov cocktail.
    These incidents make it clear that MEK and PKK support networks in Canada are directly linked to their parent organizations abroad. Terrorist support here contributes to the groups’ activities internationally, and when those activities trigger retaliation, violence can reverberate in Canada.
    I think I’ll call it a night. That’s probably too much information for the Kenney Kool-aid drinkers around here. Don’t want your heads to implode or anything.
    If I were Harper, keen on getting a majority, I’d be thinking about dumping him right now.
    Ted

  24. Oh, OK, just one more. Can’t resist.
    From our estimable Prime Minister earlier this week:
    “I think those who associate themselves with Hezbollah in this country are operating beyond the pale, and they are frankly operating in defence of an organization that is an illegal criminal organization in this country,” Harper said.
    Goodnight kiddies.
    Ted

  25. According to the current CTV.ca article, the rally Kenney addressed was organized by the Committee in Defense of Human Rights in Iran. The photo and news article however appeared on the website of the National Council of Resistance of Iran. It is only this latter organization (the NCRI) which is known to be an alias for the MEK.
    Interestingly though, I found the Committee in Defense of Human Rights in Iran was a co-sponsor of a “seminar addressing issues of fundamentalism” in Toronto late last year. Speakers at that event included Liberal MP Yasmin Ratansi, Conservative MP Paul Forseth and independent David Kilgour. Now, since this group was able to co-sponsor such an event with speakers from both major parties, either this group has no known terrorist ties or such ties were (untill yesterday) unknown. See http://www.stopfundamentalism.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=223&Itemid=71
    This would seem to indicate the rally was not organized by a terrorist group, but rather by a group who has conducted legitimate human rights work within Canada in the recent past. The NCRI reported on the rally because it was protesting the planned execution of a political prisoner (yes a PMOI prisoner). However, there is no indication even in the NCRI article that there was NCRI involvement in the planning or organization of the event.
    I’ll admit I’m still not totally sure what exactly to make of this event, but I’m pretty sure it is not as straight forward as “Kenney addressed a known terrorist organization”.

  26. If you go down to the woods today
    You better not go alone;
    ‘Cause today’s the day the teddy bears
    Eat their Iggy, and Bob, and Denis, and Borys, … …-
    STOP IGGY STOP IGGY STOP IGGY STOP IGGY
    Who Are We?
    We are Liberals who are deeply concerned by Michael Ignatieff’s candidacy for leadership of the Liberal Party.
    Why Do We Think That Ignatieff is so Dangerous?
    For the following reasons:
    His right-wing views regarding torture, the war in Iraq, and the weaponization of space.
    Click here for more of Ignatieff’s writings on these subjects.
    The undemocratic behavior and lack of transparency exhibited by Mr. Ignatieff and his team, which began with his parachuted debut.
    Click here to find out more about Iggy’s team and the ways in which they have twisted the democratic mechanisms of the Liberal Party in their campaign to hoist him to the throne.
    His utter hypocrisy in suddenly renouncing all of his previously-held convictions as soon as he entered political life. This seemingly effortless ability to flip-flop from one position to another demonstrates his complete self-interest, and absolute lack of conviction. More importantly, it means that we cannot afford to trust him.
    While Ignatieff was born here and holds a Canadian passport, until the summer of 2005, he had not lived in this country for over 30 years. In fact, he only returned with the express purpose of running for office. Furthermore, during his academic life, he has consistently written as an American. But the most glaring manner in which Mr. Ignatieff’s lack of Canadian identity lies in the fact that he has spent his life shunning the values which Canadians hold most dear.
    To read Mr. Iggy’s American musings, click here. …-
    http://stopiggy.com/

  27. Ted when you read on:In an interview with the Star, Kenney said he did not remember attending the rally, then recalled an invitation from “something called the Committee for Human Rights in Iran.”
    The invitation came from a man Kenney said he met at the foreign affairs sub-committee on human rights.
    Kenney, MP for Calgary Southeast, said he “would be shocked” to hear his picture was posted on the group’s political wing website.
    Directed to the website, Kenney said he was “completely unaware of the context as it is presented here, even though we had done our due diligence.”
    He said he did not know the rally was in support of PMOI prisoners. He said it was a small crowd of about 30 people.
    “I told them I would pass by if I could. And I was running up to the Hill, I just literally grabbed a megaphone and said that the Canadian people would stand in solidarity with the Iranian people in their wish for respect for human dignity and human rights and democracy, and these were universal aspirations that all people in every country deserve to have respected, and you know, our government will stand for those universal values.
    “I honestly don’t recall any particular grievance that they had about any particular person in Iran or Iraq or somebody who’s pending execution. At least that wasn’t brought to my attention.”
    Kenney said he is well aware that the PMOI is also known as the MEK and is listed as a terrorist group. He then specifically recalled questioning the man who invited him — whose name he said he could not recall — at a meeting in Kenney’s office after the parliamentary committee meeting. He asked if the man had any ties to “those radicals in the People’s Mojahedin. And he laughed or denied it or something.”
    “I wanted to be sure there wasn’t a connection,” said Kenney. “I came away with the impression that there was no connection whatsoever.”
    Kenney said he also later asked a staffer to double-check the background of the Committee for Human Rights in Iran to be sure it was a mainstream organization. The staffer said he couldn’t “seem to find anything problematic about them.”
    An Internet search doesn’t turn up any website for a group by that name.
    “I guess I was stung,” Kenney said.
    On Tuesday, Kenney slammed a trio of opposition MPs who visited Lebanon and who called for a dialogue with Hezbollah, which has a political wing and elected members in the Lebanese government, in order to reach a peace plan.
    Kenney compared Hezbollah to the German Nazi party of the 1930s and said there should be no talks with a terrorist organization even if it boasts democratic support.
    “We need to learn the lessons of history,” Kenney told a news conference. “There was another political party in the past which had democratic support, which provided social services, which played an important role in the political life of Germany in the 1930s, which was also dedicated to violence against the Jewish people.”
    Kenney said Nash’s criticisms are “utterly ridiculous.”
    “Peggy Nash and company were explicitly talking about negotiations with Hezbollah, a banned illegal terrorist organization.
    “I, of course, would never advocate the delisting of the MEK or the People’s Mojahedin or any other organization deemed by our security and intelligence agencies to be a terrorist entity.”

  28. Ted is the guy who met with Kenney after the parliamentary committee meeting and lied to him.

  29. Hey, Ted… What colour are my socks? Ya mean ya don’t know??? Well you SURE AS HELL are inferring Kenney knew who the “PMO” or “MEK” or whatever were when he showed up at their little rally.
    Question: what/who is Hezbollah? Oh, yeah, they’ve been in the news weekly, if not daily, since 1983.
    NOW do you see the difference, Einstein?
    Why didn’t you simply post your 6:20 P.M. post right off the bat? Didn’t YOU know who the hell they were or are? I personally think anything you’ve EVER known about any of these Iranian groups to which you refer you’ve just learned within the last 24 hours. So get off your high horse. Twit.

  30. One incident–and I’m not convinced–does not a hypocrite make. You’re walking on very thin ice, Ted.
    You’ve chosen the wrong politician to try to smear, and your tactics are questionable because you’re trying desperately to divert attention from the Hezbollah-supporting members of your own party such as Borys and Denis C., not to mention the soft underbelly of your party, and the hacker scandal trying to undermine support for Micheal Ignatieff.
    Ted, it’s admirable, I guess, to be loyal and faithful, but don’t compromise yourself trying to defend the indefensible when it comes to the Librano$. I’m sorry if I seem disrespectful, but I can’t bring myself to call the party you’re defending “the Liberals.” There’s nothing ‘liberal’ about them.
    They’re all about power at any cost, even when it means deameaning and belittling their opponents and twisting reality via their own “ad” agencies or by their allies in the MSM.
    Do yourself a favour: Stop defending the indefensible. The Liberals are showing their true colours every day (which are getting darker and darker) and Jason Kenney isn’t for the taking.
    Allow me to say this as politely as I can: Please shove off.

  31. oohh..look out Terrible Ted and his wonder puppy Left dog ™ are looking to bring down “shame” and calls of “hypocrisy” on the Conservatives
    so what..*yawwn* if you can’t see the difference in peoples actions on this issue,and keep producing paper thin “facts” and quote peons like Nash, how exactly does that work for you?
    If a lefty whimpers in the woods,does one care if one hears said fool? or is he best left to turn to moss?

  33. cal2, I just peeked at the CBC’s hype about the Canadian edition of Hello! with a full spread on the Trudeaus.
    OUCH! Canada’s Kennedy Family? (Even though it isn’t true, what would be so great about that?)
    Anyone got a shovel, a wheelbarrow, and a garden?

  34. Perhaps Ted will apologize tomorrow.
    (he certainly did try hard to make it into a big story)

  35. And it may mark me as being (slightly) over forty, but I wouldn’t use Wikpedia as a definitive “authority” for anything.

  36. The Red Terror is alive. The Red Terror has many heads, a hydra. Vide: the left liberal commenters above. …-
    Russian Footprints
    What does Moscow have to do with the recent war in Lebanon?
    By Ion Mihai Pacepa
    The Kremlin may be the main winner in the Lebanon war. Israel has been attacked with Soviet Kalashnikovs and Katyushas, Russian Fajr-1 and Fajr-3 rockets, Russian AT-5 Spandrel antitank missiles and Kornet antitank rockets. Russia’s outmoded weapons are now all the rage with terrorists everywhere in the world, and the bad guys know exactly where to get them. The weapons cases abandoned by Hezbollah were marked: “Customer: Ministry of Defense of Syria. Supplier: KBP, Tula, Russia.”
    Today’s international terrorism was conceived at the Lubyanka, the headquarters of the KGB, in the aftermath of the1967 Six-Day War in the Middle East. I witnessed its birth in my other life, as a Communist general. Israel humiliated Egypt and Syria, whose bellicose governments were being run by Soviet razvedka (Russian for “foreign intelligence”) advisers, whereupon the Kremlin decided to arm Israel’s enemy neighbors, the Palestinians, and draw them into a terrorist war against Israel.
    General Aleksandr Sakharovsky, who created Communist Romania’s intelligence structure and then rose to head up all of Soviet Russia’s foreign intelligence, often lectured me: “In today’s world, when nuclear arms have made military force obsolete, terrorism should become our main weapon.”
    Between 1968 and 1978, when I broke with Communism, the security forces of Romania alone sent two cargo planes full of military goodies every week to Palestinian terrorists in Lebanon. Since the fall of Communism the East German Stasi archives have revealed that, in 1983 alone, its foreign intelligence service sent $1,877,600 worth of AK-47 ammunition to Lebanon. According to Vaclav Havel, Communist Czechoslovakia shipped 1,000 tons of the odorless explosive Semtex-H (which can’t be detected by sniffer dogs) to Islamic terrorists — enough for 150 years.
    The terrorist war per se came into action at the end of 1968, when the KGB transformed airplane hijacking — that weapon of choice for September 11, 2001 — into an instrument of terror. In 1969 alone there were 82 hijackings of planes worldwide, carried out by the KGB-financed PLO. In 1971, when I was visiting Sakharovsky at his Lubyanka office, he called my attention to a sea of red flags pinned onto a world map hanging on the wall. Each flag represented a captured plane. “Airplane hijacking is my own invention,” he claimed. …-
    http://www.paulding.net/bin/url.cgi/13385.3

  38. Canadian Lebanese welcome resignation of Wrzesnewskyj, call for more measures
    Press Release from the Canadian Lebanese Coordinating Council (LCCC)
    August 24/ ‎‏2006‏ For Immediate Release
    The Liberal Party ought to deal with MP Borys Wrzesnewskyj in the same way it dealt with Ex MP Carolyn Parrish
    The LCCC commends the Liberal Party caucus which apparently has convinced beleaguered Liberal MP Borys Wrzesnewskyj to immediately resign his position as deputy foreign affairs critic in the aftermath of his questionable and condemned comments uttered in Lebanon while on a fact-finding Middle East mission with two other opposition MPs. He openly suggested that Canada should negotiate with Hezbollah.
    The LCCC does not actually consider that this very sensitive case, which has created a great deal of public uproar, should simply end with Mr. Wrzesnewskyj’s resignation. In this context, we call on the Liberal Party leadership to seriously consider applying the same problem solving process that was executed with ex MP Carolyn Parrish.
    The LCCC reiterates its denunciation of Mr.Wrzesnewskyj’s outrageous comments and affirms its strong belief that Hezbollah and all other organizations and groups that are on the Canadian terror list should not be negotiated with unless they completely fulfill all the legal provisions stipulated in the Terrorist Act and prove with no shred of doubt that they have given up and practically abandoned all the tactics, conduct, ideology, attitudes and behavior that initially were behind their classification as terror groups.
    For the LCCC
    Elias Bejjani/Chairman …-
    http://www.judeoscope.ca/breve.php3?id_breve=2424

  39. Hold on here just a second…Ted, tell me you didn’t use Wikipedia to help prove your point. If you had been paying attention, you’d realize that your pal and mine Stephen Colbert recently gave Wikipedia the comedic version of the backhanded slap over their assertions of the world’s elephant population.
    Good catch by Alan. Although the argument can be made that Jason Kenney should’ve done his due diligence before addressing the crowd, he admits he made a mistake. Despite the resignations, I have yet to hear one of these displaced Liberals actually say that what they did was wrong. Ted, or anyone still trying to equivocate by saying “But but but Jason Kenney!”, if you can provide a link where any of them state their views were wrong on this matter, I will gladly rescind my remarks.

  41. Ted,
    Kenney knew who these people were. He tried to fly to one of their rallies in Paris earlier this year on my tax dollars last spring, but even Harper realized just how bad and hypocritical that would look.
    Another great example of something that didn’t happen.
    Do you know who paid for Wrzensewskyj’s boondoggle? Who wasn’t smart enough to realize “just how bad and hypocritical that would look” by sending him?

  42. At August 24, 2006 04:18 PM, I posted:
    “The event was organized by the Committee in defense of Human Rights in Iran.” – from the article at: http://www.ncr-iran.org/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=1275&Itemid=0
    Other things this group has organized:
    http://stopfundamentalism.com/index2.php?option=com_content&do_pdf=1&id=223
    Google much?
    Four hours and many ranting posts later and I’m still waiting for your response, Ted…..
    Of course, you’ll ignore this tidbit and continue your foaming at the mouth.

  43. Why Jason Kenney will resign (or be asked to resign) his position as Parliamentary Secretary to the Rt. Honourable Stephen Harper, Prime Minister of Canada.
    1) without the resignation, this will be the dominating topic of Question Period, every day – every day – every day for the entire next session of Parliament.
    2) Jason is not in Cabinet (in spite of his loyalty and his hard work) because many believed that something like this with him was possible. He just has such enthusiasm – and in this case he looked before he leapt
    3) he broke the golden rule of all successful politicians: ‘do not accuse your opponent of that which you yourself do.
    Mr. Kenney’s tenure as Parliamentary Secretary is now down to hours rather than years, or months , or weeks.

  44. leftdog, can you read? Have you actually followed the links? You guys are so thick. NCRI, PMOI, MEK, ABC, LOL – none of these organizations held the rally. It was the Committee in Defense of Human Rights in Iran. They also held a conference mid-December 2005 on issues of fundamentalism in Iran that had in attendance two MPs: David Kilgour (Independent), Yasmin Ratansi (Liberal). What say you?

  45. Ham:
    “A photograph of Kenney at an April rally, organized by the Committee in Defense of Human Rights in Iran, appears on the website of the National Council of Resistance of Iran, the Toronto Star reported Thursday.
    The council is the political wing of the People’s Mojahedin Organization of Iran (PMOI), which is one of the names used by the Mujaheedin-e-Khalq.
    The Mujaheedin-e-Khalq is an armed Iranian rebel group formally designated as a terror group by the governments of Canada, the United States and the European Union.
    The Canadian government put the group on its official terror list in May 2005.”
    CTV
    (The Mujaheedin-e-Khalq AND ALL OF ITS NAMES are on the terrorist lists.)
    Back to my point – Kenney ACTUALLY DID what he accused the 2 oppositon MP’s of PROPOSING BE DONE, and what was that… TALKING TO MEMBERS OF AN OFFICIAL RECOGNIZED TERRORIST GROUP – you are defending a double standard – some of your fellow want to know why that is?

  46. I’m just checking in.
    I normally don’t link to Wikipedia, just so you know. Very unreliable. But I was at work and it was quick and easy.
    Now I’ve had more time to research this. Including what CSIS, the Ministry of Public Safety and the US State Department all have to say about Jason Kenney’s friends.
    Oh and there is no way that Kenney did not know who he was dealing with. The President and spokesperson for the organization has been convicted in Canada for violent criminal activities with the MEK. A quick and simple google search connects the “Committee in Defense of Human Rights in Iran” with PMOI/MEK.
    Another quick and simple google search will reveal a lot of ties between Stockwell Day – the bloody Minister of Public Safety in charge of our defence against terrorism – and MEK. He tried to get them de-listed, he sent them his “best wishes” at the July rally Kenney wanted to go to, and even spoke on their behalf in the House of Commons.
    But you know what, because I’m such a nice guy, I’m going to save you the trouble of doing even that little bit of searching on your own. Instead, I’ve compiled it all over at Cerberus: canadiancerberus.blogspot.com/2006/08/jason-kenney-stockwell-day-and-ties-to.html.
    Goodnight, folks. I’m off to bed now.
    Ted
    Cerberus

  47. Hedy Fry…running for the Liberal leadership, sponsored a meeting for the same PMOI group on Parliament Hill.
    cbc.ca/story/canada/national/2005/05/26/iran050526.
    “Conservative MP Paul Forseth says that if the government wants to criminalize support of the People’s Mojahedin, it will have to start by arresting several members of Parliament, including Liberals.
    “In essence, they’re calling their own members of Parliament terrorists, because [Liberal MP] Hedy Fry recently sponsored one of their meetings on Parliament Hill, just as I did the year before,” Forseth said.”
    So everyone wants to acknowledge the group, without acknowledging the group.
    Perhaps reassessing their label is in order, sooner rather than later.
    Afterall, this is their status as given by the U.S., in actuality now:
    …..”the remaining 3,500 MEK followers are under the protection of U.S. and coalition forces in Camp Ashraf in Iraq, near the Iranian border.
    *****They are now considered refugees and protected persons under the 4th Geneva Convention, which protects non-combatants during an armed conflict.****
    MEK followers have surrendered their weapons and been handed over to the Iraqi government…. The International Committee of the Red Cross, the Iraqi human-rights office and the U.N. refugee agency have been given the task of deciding the ultimate status of the remaining members and where they should go.
    3w globalsecurity.org/org/news/2005/050531-terror-list.

  48. Hedy Fry…running for the Liberal leadership, sponsored a meeting for the same PMOI group on Parliament Hill.
    cbc.ca/story/canada/national/2005/05/26/iran050526.
    “Conservative MP Paul Forseth says that if the government wants to criminalize support of the People’s Mojahedin, it will have to start by arresting several members of Parliament, including Liberals.
    “In essence, they’re calling their own members of Parliament terrorists, because [Liberal MP] Hedy Fry recently sponsored one of their meetings on Parliament Hill, just as I did the year before,” Forseth said.”
    So everyone wants to acknowledge the group, without acknowledging the group.
    Perhaps reassessing their label is in order, sooner rather than later.
    Afterall, this is their status as given by the U.S., in actuality now:
    …..”the remaining 3,500 MEK followers are under the protection of U.S. and coalition forces in Camp Ashraf in Iraq, near the Iranian border.
    *****They are now considered refugees and protected persons under the 4th Geneva Convention, which protects non-combatants during an armed conflict.****
    MEK followers have surrendered their weapons and been handed over to the Iraqi government…. The International Committee of the Red Cross, the Iraqi human-rights office and the U.N. refugee agency have been given the task of deciding the ultimate status of the remaining members and where they should go.
    3w globalsecurity.org/org/news/2005/050531-terror-list.

  49. Ted: As I had noted, if in fact Kenney met with them knowing of their links, then shame on him for his very poor judgement. Should he be asked to resign? Hmmm…well, if he had lobbied on their behalf, then absolutely! If he just met and offered them words of encouragement, then no.
    With respect to Borys, going on the junket and meeting with the Hezbollah was one thing (foolish and poor judgement), but Borys stepped over the line…he lobbied on their behalf!
    This is the difference that you are choosing to ignore and is at the heart of the matter, Ted. Simply meeting and talking is one thing, lobbying is another. You are offering NO EVIDENCE that Kenney lobbied for MEK…whereas we have Borys’ OWN WORDS QUOTED as lobbying for the Hezbollah.
    You are making a mountain out of a molehill and trying to deflect attention from your corrupt boys to the Conservatives. You are acting like you are simply part of the Liberal propaganda machine, Ted.
    PS: As for the Stockwell Day issue, I have no information to go on as to his level of involvement. That’s (potentially) another story.

  50. Hezbollahland; Equal Opportunity Rapists.
    Then the Muslim rapists came for the left liberal/socialists; allies of the Muslim rapists, purveyors of lies, half-truths, anti-semitism. …-
    First They Came For the Jews: The Story of Yet Another World War
    Dhimmiwatch ^ | 25 aug 06 | Fjordman
    I have seen so many lies and half-truths by Western mainstream media exposed in the blogosphere, especially related to Islam, that I no
    longer trust them for information. Leading bloggers such as Charles Johnson of Little Green Footballs recently demonstrated this by showing how photos distributed by international news service Reuters from Lebanon had been grossly manipulated to make Israel look bad. Blogger Zombie argued, in a very convincing way, that the story about Israel deliberately targeting ambulances in Lebanon was full of holes, quite possibly a complete fabrication. It proves how easily, willingly, many Western journalists believe every piece of nonsense Muslims feed them, as long as it’s directed against Israel, the United States or the West in general.
    I do read traditional media still, and it would be a lie to say that I never get any useful information from them, but in general, I read them mainly to know what information they are feeding the general public, those who still haven’t switched to the Internet to follow what’s happening in the world. Here are some of my notes from Norwegian media during August 2006. I suspect many of the trends described here are pretty similar throughout Western Europe. The number one local issue of discussion in Norway this month has been the reactions to the editorial “God’s chosen people,” published in newspaper Aftenposten by famous author Jostein Gaarder in reaction to Israel’s military actions in southern Lebanon, to protect itself against attacks by Iran and Syria through their puppet organization Hezbollah.
    Gaarder became rich by writing the novel “Sophie’s World,” which doubles as a guide to the history of Western philosophy and has sold tens of millions of copies around the world. His editorial has been strongly denounced as anti-Semitic by some, but also received support from many. “I must admit that the reactions have been stronger than I expected,” Mr. Gaarder said, and confirmed that he had been frightened by this. “I have said it countless times and I can repeat it again: I am a humanist, not an anti-Semite.”
    In the article, Gaarder argued that the State of Israel “will have no peace before it lays down its arms.” “Israel is history. We no longer
    recognize the State of Israel. There is no way back. The State of Israel has raped the world’s recognition and will not receive peace before it lays down its weapons.” “We don’t believe in the concept of God’s chosen people. We laugh at this people’s fancies and weep over their misdeeds. To present themselves as God’s chosen people is not just stupid and arrogant, but a crime against humanity. We call it racism.” “There are limits to our patience, and there are limits to our tolerance…”
    Culture journalist Mona Levin considered the editorial to be “the nastiest thing I have read since [Adolf Hitler’s] “Mein Kampf.” Gaarder makes it easy for himself, there is nothing that can not be said about Jews today. The same people who would not draw Mohammed out of respect for Muslims can safely say things like this about Jews and Israel without receiving death threats. “It is a shame that a presumably intelligent person calls the Ten Commandments “amusing stone tablets” and kicks away at what both the Christian and Jewish civilizations are built upon,” Levin said.
    Another much-debated topic in Norwegian media during the same period was an unprecedented rape wave in the capital city of Oslo. “We have seen a dramatic increase [in the number of rapes],” said Endre Sandvik, head of the emergency ward. The number of rapes in Oslo this summer was more than twice as high as it was last year. Brit Opjordsmoen from DIXI, support centre for rape victims, stated in a questions and answers session with Aftenposten’s readers that they don’t know what percentage of these rapes are committed by people with immigrant background, and that most of these speculations are just “prejudice.”
    With all due respect, I’m pretty sure that’s incorrect, since I’ve been writing about and documenting this issue for so long that I’m almost getting tired of the subject. The situation is even worse in neighboring Sweden.
    Aftenposten have conveniently enough forgotten an article they printed five years ago. In 2001, two out of three charged with rape in Norway’s capital were immigrants with a non-western background. Another Norwegian newspaper, Dagbladet, quoted Unni Wikan, a female professor of social anthropology at the University of Oslo as saying that “Norwegian women must take their share of responsibility for these rapes” because Muslim men found their manner of dress provocative. One reason for the high number of rapes by Muslims was that in their native countries “rape is scarcely punished,” since Muslims “believe that it is women who are responsible for rape.” The professor’s conclusion was not that Muslim men living in the West needed to adjust to Western norms, but that “Norwegian women must realize that we live in a multicultural society and adapt themselves to it.”
    The number of rapes, muggings and assaults committed by Muslim immigrants in Western countries is so extremely high that it is difficult to view this only as random acts of individuals. It resembles warfare. …-
    http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1689763/posts

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