(bumped to June 4 with updates)
This morning the Ottawa Sun is reporting that Parliament was on the hit list
“They were going after institutional targets,” a source said.
Sources said targets included the Parliament Buildings and the CSIS headquarters in Toronto.
The Canadian Islamic Congress is critical – not at the alleged plotters – but that the government hasn’t been “funding research on “home grown” effects of imported extremism”.
(Last week they were celebrating the CUPE boycott of those dirty joos Israel. “Home grown” effects, indeed.)
Rosie Dimanno;
It takes no sophistication to connect non-existent dots, from Mississauga to Afghanistan, from grievances nurtured in the suburbs of Toronto to a so-called global crusade against Islam, as if the West is responsible for the oppression inflicted upon Muslims, in Muslim nations, by Muslim leaders.
It requires, increasingly, little empirical evidence to excuse the radicalism of pupa militants, including those who enjoy the benefits of our own generous, inclusive and hyper-tolerant society. This is the constituency that protects — tacitly encourages — the nihilism of those driven to violent distraction by what they see as endless victimization of their tribe, a purported world-wide Islamaphobia that can only be redressed by random atrocities.
How quickly, do you think, will these arrests — the judicial process only in its infancy — cease to be about them and become primarily about us?
Glenn Reynolds has morning observations on the media spin cycle that began the instant the arrests were announced, including this comment (from one of Roger Simon’s readers);
Just like our own elites: they truly believe that – if not carefully monitored, us People will riot and string up Muslims from every lamp-post at the least provocation. In their view, the Military, especially, is certain to run amuck at any time (thus the obsessing over Abu Ghraib, and now, jumping all over Haditha) – and, of course, probably has, almost continuously, and Rumsfeld, etc has Covered it Up.
And with Bush in power, the Elites are wringing their hands, knowing that the RedNecks are rampant, uncontrolled, willing and able to do ANYTHING!!!!
See also the good news/bad news analysis this morning by Ed Morrissey.
June 3 commentary follows
Toronto Sun;In a stunning development yesterday, police made a sweeping terrorist bust within the GTA and expected to make several more arrests throughout the night.
“The RCMP, CSIS and the Integrated National Security Enforcement Team arrested individuals throughout the GTA today in relation to terrorist-related offences,” confirmed RCMP spokesman Corp. Michele Paradis.
As of about 9 p.m. last night, Paradis also added “there are ongoing arrests.”
Though unconfirmed, sources have told the Sun police arrested a possible home-grown al-Qaeda terrorist cell operating in Toronto that had planned to bomb the subway as early as Monday.Any guesses at how long it takes the usual suspects to a) downplay the story as much ado about nothing, and/or b) weave it into a conspiracy to turn Canada into Shrubhitler’s police state. Update; It’s already begun.
A news conference will begin shortly.You can listen live at 650 CKOM. On the fly:
– RCMP, along with CSIS and other security partners have arrested 12 adults and 5 young offenders who were planning a series of terrorist attacks on a variety of targets in southern Ontario.
– They’ve been charged under contributing to activity of a terrorist group, commission of firearms and explosives offenses for the benefit of a terrorist group, providing or making available property for the purpose of terrorist activities.
– 3 tons of ammonium nitrate was ordered and delivered. (the 1995 Oklahoma bombing was comleted with only 1 ton of ammonium nitrate)
– they had the capacity and intent to carry out the attacks
– All are Canadian residents from a variety of backgrounds, inspired by Al Qaeda
– Concern about what other groups may be out there, but are satisfied that the threat from this one has been removed.
(A commentor refers to “one brain trust of a reporter” asking a stupid question. Listening just now, about 4 reporters have asked successive questions directly related to the ongoing investigation, despite being told none would be entertained. That’s the beauty of listening to these things live – one gains a first hand appreciation for just how “thick” the news filter is.)
The Toronto Star is now online with a report. Those arrested:1. Fahim Ahmad, 21, Toronto;
2. Zakaria Amara, 20, Mississauga, Ont.;
3. Asad Ansari, 21, Mississauga;
4. Shareef Abdelhaleen, 30, Mississauga;
5. Qayyum Abdul Jamal, 43, Mississauga;
6. Mohammed Dirie, 22, Kingston, Ont.;
7. Yasim Abdi Mohamed, 24, Kingston;
8. Jahmaal James, 23, Toronto;
9. Amin Mohamed Durrani, 19, Toronto;
10. Steven Vikash Chand alias Abdul Shakur, 25, Toronto;
11. Ahmad Mustafa Ghany, 21, Mississauga;
12. Saad Khalid, 19, of Eclipse Avenue, Mississauga.(What was that quote from the news conference about the individuals not reflecting on any one community?) – here it is: “This operation does not reflect badly on any ethno-cultural group in Canada”.
FLASHBACK: 2005 – Weapons arrests at border – Who Are Dirie and Mohamed?
Considerable blogosphere coverage on this story;
Stephen Taylor has lots more, including a chilling poem.
Stop The ACLU on the internet angle. Pajamas Media has a big roundup. So does Hot Air here and here;
The Muslim Canadian Congress reaction is predictable.
Report from the courthouse.
“This operation does not reflect badly on any ethno-cultural group in Canada”.
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Just another day at work for the blood-thirsty Muzzi head-choppers….
Bob, I’m not altogether clear why you have posted this: “According to sources close to the investigation, the suspects are teenagers and men in their 20s who had a relatively typical Canadian upbringing, but — allegedly spurred on by images of conflict in Iraq and Afghanistan and angered by what they saw as the mistreatment of Muslims at home — became increasingly violent.”
What mistreatment would they be talking about? Details please. I’m not aware of any Muslims who have been killed in Canada, unlike the many innocent bystanders who have been murdered by marauding Islamist fanatics all over the Middle East because of a few cartoons.
But, supposing there has been “the mistreatment of Muslims at home,” I guess by this logic any teenager spurred on by images of conflict in, say, their home or at school, and feel that either they or those they are close to have been mistreated, would be justified in becoming “increasingly violent.”
I look back to my teenaged years and can think of all sorts of issues that might have spurred me onto anger and violence. I look at the teenagers of today and see far more issues that might spur them onto doing the same thing.
But the point is, I or any non-Muslim teenager today would not be seen as justified if we got together a whole cache of explosives to annhilate the persons/groups we felt had mistreated us.
I sure hope that the Star reporter wasn’t justifying these Muslim teenaged “shenanigans.”
For God’s sake, *I’M* a liberal through and through – I like having a female Head of State, I think it’s healthiest for gay people to be able to marry, I want to keep ensuring men and women have equal opportunties, and I like seeing the Church OUT of the State.
Protecting our liberal society is why we must crush this Islamic terrorists decisively!!
I’m ashamed of the reactionary Left – Harper is a guy, he’s not evil. TERRORISTS are evil, for god’s sake!
The “right wing threat” comes from Osama Bin Laden, not the CPC! Abortion, gay marriage, equal rights, separation of church and state – these would all disappear under Islamic masters.
WAKE THE FLIPPING F*** UP, NDP!!!
Good thing we’re recognizing their foreign credentials in stead of stopping all immigration from arab countries.
Far better to put the lives of thousands of torontonians at risk and keep the principle of multiculturalizm active. If my children have children their Canada will indeed be bleak.
Should I say terrorist countries to be politically correct? nahhh. Same thing isn’t it?
“I wonder if this would have been caught under the Liberals. I really doubt it.” – MaryM
Thanks Mary, for placing your spectacularly ignorant idiocy on display for us all.
Guess what, Mary? Might come as shocker, I know, but it was actually the *RCMP* and a little thing we like to call “CSIS” that caught these mofus.
I hate Paul Martin as much and for the same reasons as you do, but – I’m not a gasbag idiot like you are, Mary.
Gee, another thing proving your IQ level? These mofus have been under surveillance for, oh, I think it was a year now?
Wake up, you dimwit.
Captain’s Quarters has an interesting amount of detail on how these guys were caught.
http://www.captainsquartersblog.com/mt/archives/007121.php#comments
Dr Wright:
I agree with you.
Only secular Arabs who embrace equality of women and separation of church and state should be allowed into our country. Otherwise, our support for those ideals is only lip-service.
Jason D, your manners are atrocious. Your ideas would be more respected if you cleaned up your act. I find the language in your posts unnecessarily offensive. Smarten up, sir.
Many thanks be to Maz2 for the plug.
Like I said when starting my blog, I’ll do what I can, however little or much it be.
I hope many more bloggers and others will get involved in whatever way they can to join the war against jihad and against the rest of the gathering, growing, strengthening Axis Power Group.
This is real. And all you need to enlist in the war is the motivation, a computer, an internet connection and a working brain.
Remember, Chamberlain was wrong. Churchill was right.
Appeasement will NOT work. The enemy sees it as weakness and submission and is only emboldened via its very nature to move in for the kill.
As did Hitler.
And history is going to repeat itself.
I hope I’m wrong, but who can be certain that I am? Why take the huge gamble again? Millions of innocent lives are at stake as we speak.
The choice before us is:
Proactive…
or reactive?
Be assured I’m following the developments… already I’ve a preliminary post:
http://thecanadiansentinel.blogspot.com/2006/06/canada-cracks-down-on-terrorists.html
Also: I’ve noticed an increased police presence in my city… they appear to be keeping an extra vigilant eye on everyone. Coincidence?
War on fascist maniacs and killers is no time for manners, Dr. Jones.
I read the comments over at the CBC and they all seemed so negatively biased that the forum there seems poisoned, and I said so:-
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**The consistant acidic tone of most foregoing comments makes me very suspicious that a certain group or political club have been instructed to comment on these recent happenings.
My feelings are that something very deadly has been nipped in the bud here.
One alert agra-feeds salesman or sales woman suspected buyers of a three ton lot of ammonium nitrate. That alert person may have saved thousands of Canadian lives.
I don*t care what the politics look like. If the facts are as reported, it is clear that some of the comments here could well have been positive.
My impression is that this is a heavily biased forum and I would be surprised if my comment is allowed to stand. TG**
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At the CBC comment submit you are thanked for your comment and there is a contact grouping topped with **CBC Ombudsman**
Do they get an inordinate volume of complaints about chopped comments? Unpleasant aftertaste! TG
Just by looking at the names and where the alleged terrorists reside, a simple common link emerges…
Where’s Carolyn Parrish and her sympathic sentiment towards Islamic terrorists, when you need her???
The CBC forums seem to be *quite* heavily moderated for non-biased comments, I’m afraid. It’s a pity – the CBC is in poor shape and far, far too left-leaning to be called fair.
And that makes me sad.
Last post, Jason D: I couldn’t agree more.
Hey! Head smack! Now I have awakened! CBC biased comments indeed. The commentors are from Rabble Babble!
No wonder. TG
I’m with MaryM, who wondered if the Liberals would have moved as quickly to arrest these Muslim youth who were, obviously, planning a large and destructive initiative against the people of Toronto.
Sure, the RCMP and CSIS were investigating, but it’s not unheard of for governments to interfere with these agencies, and I’m thinking specifically of the Librano Government.
If the RCMP had been able to do their job unhindered during the last 13 years of Librano rule, I’m sure they would have unearthed Adscam, the HRDC scandal, the Income Trust scandal, etc., etc. in a much more timely fashion. If they were just lazy and didn’t do their job, and that’s why it took so long for these scandals to come to light, then they should be disbanded and Canada should come up with another national polic force. I suspect the former reason, not the latter, is the reason why it took so long to unearth these scandals.
The Librano$ have bought hook, line, and sinker the political correctness approach to life that dictates that any ethnic group, especially a minority one, even if it’s as clear as the nose on my face that one ethnic group, and one only, is responsible for certain heinous activities, can be “profiled” in Canada, despite the fact that they might be putting the safety of Canadians in jeopardy.
It would be just like the Libs, if it came to their attention that a certain ethnic minority was being targeted by an investigation to halt or slow the whole thing down. That’s why I have absolutely NO FAITH in them. They let assinine, PC, feel-good, considerations, not facts and reality, dictate the direction certain investigations will take.
For the safety of all Canadians, it is a very good thing that Prime Minister Stephen Harper and his party are governing Canada and not the lenient, liberty-challenged Liberals.
Meanwhile, the Mayor of TO, David Miller, was on newsworld “well the London bombers were English after all as these are Canadians! Some even came here as children … they’re, they’re Canadians!”
And he looks absolutely astounded that these ‘Canadian young men’ would even think to do this here.
Wonder if the jackass of an anchor for Montreal’s english CTV evening newscast will stop smirking when he says the words ‘War on Terror’ now? sigh – not likely.
Strike one for the good side today, our side, freedom’s side.
My deep gratitude to the fine and dedicated people for keeping us safe this time, please carry on.
They just had EricMargolis on CP24 saying its because of Harper’s policies that this attack was planned.Guess he overlooked the fact that CSIS was watching thes guys for years.
Can’t wait to see Layton’s comments on this.Probably says it shows what happens because of lack of public daycare.
Whoops Error in last post: this sentence should have read:
The Librano$ have bought hook, line, and sinker the political correctness approach to life that dictates that any ethnic group, especially a minority one, even if it’s as clear as the nose on my face that one ethnic group, and one only, is responsible for certain heinous activities, CANNOT be “profiled” in Canada, despite the fact that they might be putting the safety of Canadians in jeopardy.
See what happens when you construct such a mess of a sentence? I stand by what I’m saying, but I should have found a less confusing way to say it!
That much ANFO (Ammonium Nitrate plus Fuel Oil), properly placed, primed and detonated could take down several dozen large buildings. In an open air blast (unconfined) with no shrapnel, 3 tonnes would have a killing radius of several hundred metres just from the shock wave. These Islamic wack-jobs were planning something very big or very sustained.
The agencies responsible for their capture deserve our gratitude and appreciation.
And maybe Ann Rohmer should ask her dad’s opinion of Islamic terror movements before agreeing with everything Margolis said. It’s time to start cancelling subscriptions to the Sun and let CityTV know that we are displeased.
The loud mouth head of the Canadian islam society or whatever it is called “the guy that went after Izra Levant at the Western Standard” seems to be very quiet today. I would imagine this clown will be more interested in the “rights” of these terrorists under our precious Charter of Rights and Freedoms and how it is all racialy motivated.
Read the posts on this story in the G&M, sure proves that a lot of BC and TO residents need to have their eyes open. Was the suicide at Tims reported correctly, was that the start of this. Was the smoke in the subway in TO really from a fallen item from the train. CNN has this story, along with video of some suspects in police cars. Never noticed a white person in the group, did see one older Asian. This has to be another set back for Tourism to Toronto, or Ontario. Is this cell the only one in Canada, I doubt it. What will it take for the leftists in TO to wake up. They certainly need to thank our police and other forces, even tho many feel someones Charter Rights might have been violated. As stated before, those residents don’t have to fear being infected by second hand smoke. If given a choice would you prefer smokers harming you or being bombed into the next world. As many were very young, I guess they thought they could all handle 72 virgins.
Guys, this is not a Liberals vs. Conservatives issue, it’s a Canada vs. Islamic Terror issue. It makes no difference to me what Paul Martin would have done (hopefully he would have resigned… But anyway) or what Layton will say.
I don’t believe in much of a right/left split so much as I do kiddie bickering. Left or Right, we all value equality of all citizens regardless of gender, we all are happy that a woman can be Governor General or Monarch or Prime Minister, we’re all thankful to be able to worship, peacefully, the religion most attractive to us, we’re all grateful to vote freely. We’re all on the same damn side here.
“Part of Harper’s plan, as per my predictions, he is evil”: gasbags.
“The Liberals under Martin would have given them a parade”: gasbags.
Time to put away childish things and think as Canadians who value our lives and our freedom here.
MaryT, you’re right – thank god for the RCMP and CSIS. I said so earlier on Taylor, but not here.
A legitimate attack foiled or an overblown spectacle being hyped by Harper McBush and co.? I don’t know…
In either case, get our troops out of Afganistan, stop cooperating with Bush’s illegal war on Islam, and stop siding with the Israeli aparthied against the Palestinians and none of this would be happening.
Harper and his gang of thugs are intent on changing Canada, as well as our role in the world. Its happening right before our eyes and faster than I had anticipated. He made this bed, the trouble is, all of us have to sleep in it.
Where is Prime Minister Harper today? What is he doing today?
He is at work/on the job.
What is his job’s Number One Priority?
Number One Priority:
The provision of security for Canada and Canadians.
God Bless the new recruits to our Armed Forces.
God Bless Canada. …
From the Prime Minister’s Web Site (http://www.pm.gc.ca/)
Public events for June 3, 2006
June 2, 2006
Ottawa, Ontario
Public events for Prime Minister Stephen Harper for Saturday, June 3rd are:
1:00 pm – The Prime Minister will address more than 200 recruits who will be joining the Canadian Forces, at the official Enrolment Ceremony.
Canadian War Museum
1 Vimy Place
Ottawa, Ontario
* The Prime Minister is expected to speak at 2:20 pm
** Open to media
Hopefully this opens many eyes to the threats we face from Islamofacism, but this is not the first time they’ve broken up a terrorist cell in Toronto.
Anyone remember this?
That one happened back in November.
Good work to CSIS and the RCMP for busting these scum before they had a chance to act!
Harper made this bed?????
After being Prime Minister for months?
Kevin Laddie, you’re drinking the same quack-milk as MaryM. This bunch has been under surveillance for – say it with me now, Kevin – a year.
Yes, that’s right – longer than Harper has actually been Prime Minister! Really!
They hate CANADA, not Harper, you dimwit.
That means you, me, Harper, Duceppe, ALL of us.
Pathetic, ignorant, nutty, Kevin – that’s you.
Hmmm. Seems a certain Jason D is of the mind that the RCMP and CCIS are in no way influenced or controlled by their political masters of the day.
Dream on Jason.
And by all means keep on deriding any one who happens to know otherwise.
It makes you look SO intelligent.
“A legitimate attack foiled or an overblown spectacle being hyped by Harper McBush and co.? I don’t know… ”
“Harper and his gang of thugs”.
Kevin, what is a “legitimate attack”?
How is the arrest of people with 3 tonnes of enough explosive to bring down Parliament “an overblown spectacle”?
Where do you see either Harper or Bush hyping this?
Are you planning on taking the Toronto subway anytime soon? If you see Stephen Harper there, will you run fleeing?
Why aren’t you talking about “Qayyum and his gang of thugs”?
Considering these guys have been planning this since Martin first became Prime Minister, where is your attack on him? Or do you not consider it necessary to make even a pretence of being able to be coherent?
Why are you an idiot? Was it heredity or environment?
Kevin – first, stop the ad hominem. Stop insulting Harper and Bush.
You prefer Islamofascism? You are naive if you think that Islamofascism is caused by the Israeli-Palestinian situation. Most Islamic states don’t give a damn about helping the Palestinians.
Islamofascism has nothing to do with this; it’s a result of a sociopolitical infrastructure of tribalism – a tribalism enforced by Islam. Islam hasn’t evolved from its tribal origins to be able to operate in a modern, large population, industrial economy. That tension between a socioreligious ideology and a population that has exponentially increased over the past generation and become urban and industrial rather than rural and agricultural – is the ‘root cause’ of Islamic fascism.
Unless Islam reforms and permits its adherents to operate in a modern industrial socioeconomic mode, this tension will continue to ‘explode’ into fascism.
Afghanistan is trying to move out of tribalism into democracy. That’s why we are helping it. Or, do you prefer fascism? The same in Iraq. But, it’s not easy. These areas have been denigrated by years of dictatorial rule; they don’t have democratic infrastructures; they don’t have norms that permit negotiated conclusions rather than vicious and violent retributive tribal interactions. It takes time.
BUT – a population in the multimillions can’t live within tribalism. It has to move into democracy.
or, do you prefer fascism?
Kevin_Laddle that was the funniest thing I have read since the “youthforvolpe.ca” web site. You just forgot to put the /sarc=on and /sarc=off tags.
Oh…you were trying to be serious.
Kevin
ROTFLMAO….that is a really good imitation of someone disconnected from reality….thanks it really brightened up a rainy saturday.
wow, my sides hurt and I am wiping tears from my eyes….phew…that was brilliant. Thanks again.
From the Left
This was excellent police work. They showed patience and skill.
This proves what I have been saying since forever. Canadians are made safe, or not by focusing on our internal security. Money and resources need to spent and kept right here at home.
In fact,”fighting them over there” with all the violent imagery may have inflamed these Canadian youth. Perhaps even the Arar incident. It doesn’t excuse them but it may help explain them. The follow-up investigation into why and how these things happen will be helpful in preventing further terrorist spawnings.
Chasing Taliban, who were not terrorists but rather hosts to terrorists, while Canadian terrorists are plotting over here is a questionable policy.
Because we caught these budding terrorists here this time doesn’t mean we can afford to run a two front war on terror. Paying for a war on terror here and one over there, when it appears the one here is by far the most important, is an unnecessary and perhaps futile expense. The domestic scene is where our resources obviously are best spent.
Bring our troops home from Afganistan, stop taking sides in the Israeli aparthied, and the problem is solved. We were making war on Afganistan long before any attack on Canada. If you right-wingers want a war, people are going to fight back.
“IMHO, who cares about culture”…shaken
A country that doesn’t care about its culture will end up with none worth defending.
A country that defines as bigotry concern over the erosion of the dominate culture will end up being dominated by the culture of those newcomers who most strongly retain their cultural identity.
… and to think we did it without extra-legally detaining, torturing, rendering or warantlessly wiretaping anybody. Looks like you can be safe without big government trampling on your rights and liberty despite Captain’s Quarters’ spin trying to use this event to justify broad domestic esponiage on all of a countries’ citizens.
Kudos to all the agencies involved.
Kevin, lay off of the leftie-islam-o-koolaid
ET, how are these islamo bad guys any different from the islamo bad guys that Israel faces every day? Islamic states don’t care about Palistinians because that dispute is not about land or rights for ancient Palestinians – it is about the same thing that drives the 12 guys who were arrested here – jihad, domination by Islam, and dhimmi status for those not adhering to islam.
Kevin would like us to stop siding with America and Israel – these countries are our allies in the war against Islamofascism. Who do people like Kevin think should be our allies? the French, the Germans, the Cubans, the Venezualans, the Iranians?
“how are these islamo bad guys any different from the islamo bad guys that Israel faces every day”
Our islamo bad guys were smart enough to not take on Israel.
When I hear crap like “Islamofacism” I cannot help but shake my head. But then I realize you nutjobs aren’t kidding. Why can’t you get it into your thick skulls? There is NO such thing as “Islamofacism”. It’s a lie, it’s a myth that has been foisted upon you by Harper McBush and the gang.
America started this so-called war. Do you really buy the crap that they are “attacking us because they hate our freedoms”? They are attacking America because America joins with Israel in slaughtering their people. And they are attacking us because we are now joining with American in the bloodshed. Do you right-whingers not realize that Spain has not seen an attack since it wisely ended its cooperation in the Bush-led war on Islam? Canada must immediatley do the same, or risk incurring the same wrath. We may not be so lucky next time…
Impress this name onto/into your memory cells:
Imam Aly Hindy.
This Islamist is a dangerous man. Beware. …
THE MISSISSAUGA NEWS
Mississauga men accused of being terrorists
The Star reports that Mississauga brothers-in-law Ahmad Ghany and Zakaria Amara have been charged in connection with plots to attack Canadian targets, the Toronto Star has learned.
However, shocked neighbours and family members say they don’t believe the allegations.
“I think they have it wrong. Those guys have nothing to do with (terrorism),” said Scarborough Imam Aly Hindy, a high profile critic of the RCMP and Canadian Security Intelligence Service. He has accused the federal agency of targeting Muslims who criticize the foreign policies of Western governments.
He believes this is what led to the arrests yesterday.
“Because they are young people, and they are Muslims, they are saying it’s terrorism,” he told The Star last night. more
http://www.mississauganews.com/mi/news/story/3528575p-4077542c.html
“Chasing Taliban, who were not terrorists but rather hosts to terrorists”
Yes, our troops are truly appreciating the splendors of the Taliban hospitality. Not a terrorist among them. The roadside bombs are being set off by CIA operatives bent on establishing the republic of Bushistan.
“Bring our troops home from Afganistan (sic), stop taking sides in the Israeli aparthied (sic), and the problem is solved.”
So, when these guys started planning these attacks, before Afghanistan, and before the Conservatives ended the shameful practice of the Liberals of taking sides AGAINST Israel, they were just doing that because of the precautionary principle, right?
Kevin, you aren’t really this stupid, are you? This is really a spoof, right? I mean, you seem to have benefitted from enough of an education to put thoughts down – surely you aren’t so devoid of cognitive powers that you actually believe this twaddle. Do you?
“This operation does not reflect badly on any ethno-cultural group in Canada”.
Suuuuuure. Uh-huh. Of course it doesn’t, pal.
patrick,
talking to people like Kevin is almost useless – he will always fall back on his position that the world’s problems are caused by America and Israel. To our enemies, he is what Lenin (or was it Stalin?) used to call “useful idiot”. He does not realize that as much as shouts “I hate me too” this will not save him from dhimmi status or death.
steve d
“This proves what I have been saying since forever.”
Yeah right.
“fighting them over there” with all the violent imagery may have inflamed these Canadian youth.
It’s people like you steve d who have twisted what is selfless humanitarian aid by invoking vile imagery to describe their heroic conduct. Non-Canadian youth who are inflamed because we are trying to help the Afghans should be deported. Canadian youth suffering from this kind of derangement should sue the CBC and the Toronto Star for intentional infliction of anti-Americanism.
“It doesn’t excuse them but it may help explain them. The follow-up investigation into why and how these things happen will be helpful in preventing further terrorist spawnings.”
Oh yes, let the hand wringing begin. How about beginning with the observation they suffer from the same disordered thinking as you steve d and like you can’t recognize the difference between the agents of freedom and those of oppression. What’s your excuse? Overdosed on leftist moronisms?
“Chasing Taliban, who were not terrorists but rather hosts to terrorists, while Canadian terrorists are plotting over here is a questionable policy.”
Oh we should leave and see if the Taliban host al Qaeda a second time. Brilliant steve. Simply brilliant. Do you usually expect different outcomes when you keep doing the same thing? The concept of fighting any war (except a propaganda one against their own country) is anathema to the left. Fighting on two or three fronts is to be avoided like the plague. It might result in a quicker victory.
“Because we caught these budding terrorists here this time doesn’t mean we can afford to run a two front war on terror. Paying for a war on terror here and one over there, when it appears the one here is by far the most important, is an unnecessary and perhaps futile expense. The domestic scene is where our resources obviously are best spent.Posted by: steve d.”
Thank you General steve d. No doubt when the terrorists do pull off their first attack in Canada you will explain that it could have been prevented if we hadn’t diverted resources over there.
Which one was that qwerty?
http://www.apfn.org/audio/okc.ram
http://www.apfn.org/audio/okc2.ram
People wonder why would they come here, would it have anything to do with all the women and children that the troops are killing in afghanistan?
Terrance (Terry) Yeakey was a courageous young black Oklahoma City police officer who was on duty near the Murrah Building the morning of that building’s bombing.
http://www.apfn.org/audio/tyeakey1.rm
http://www.apfn.org/audio/tyeakey2.rm
Look how quickly people jump to conclusions. Like those 19 terrorist hijackers that the FBI put out after 9/11, lol, someone should go and tell some that their dead and shouldn’t be walking around especially the one thats a airline pilot.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/nation/specials/attacked/A38270-2001Sep15.html
Washington Post – 9/16/01 – 2nd Witness Arrested; 25 Held for Questioning
Two of 19 suspects named by the FBI, Saeed Alghamdi and Ahmed Alghamdi, have the same names as men listed at a housing facility for foreign military trainees at Pensacola. Two others, Hamza Alghamdi and Ahmed Alnami, have names similar to individuals listed in public records as using the same address inside the base. In addition, a man named Saeed Alghamdi graduated from the Defense Language Institute at Lackland Air Force Base in San Antonio, while men with the same names as two other hijackers, Mohamed Atta and Abdulaziz Alomari, appear as graduates of the U.S. International Officers School at Maxwell Air Force Base, Ala., and the Aerospace Medical School at Brooks Air Force Base in San Antonio, respectively.
Mohamed Atta isn’t he the mastermind?
Remember that suspicious bin Laden “confession” video?
# How could he praise uninvolved living people (12) for the 9/11 hijackings?
# If they stole identities, how did the FBI identify those passengers as terrorists?
Not by flight calls, which contradict the FBI (13) information!
Hear the siren it’s time for all good morlocks to follow their leader to the supper table, fresh innocence is being served.
So what do you think we’ll be allowed to know about this case?
They could’ve had a bag of fertilizer sitting in their garage. Will we ever know?
ex-liberal. We’ve been through this debate before and I’m not getting into it. I’ve said before that the Israeli-Palestinian situation is about land and the rights of citizenship and nationhood – on both sides. It has nothing to do with fascism or islamofascism. I don’t agree with Israel’s rejection of Palestinian rights to nationhood and to land rights; I don’t agree with the occupation or settlements; I don’t agree with the Israeli religion-state merger. There’s no point in you or I going into this debate with each other for we have very different views.
Islamofascism is very real; it isn’t a myth; it’s a symptom of a dysfunctional socioeconomic and political infrastructure, where a population in the millions is constrained, by force, within tribalism (only suitable for hundred thousands).
Kevin laddie. What is your proof that there is ‘no such thing as islamofascism’? I’d really like to know what your proof is. Do you know what fascism means? Do you know what happens to a population that is constrained within a tribal socioeconomic and political infrastructure when it, by virtue of its population size, has to be democratic? Have you read the Koran? Do you know that it’s really a rigid sociopolitical system that is unsuitable for a modern industrial socioeconomic system?
I’d bet you don’t know a thing about different sociopolitical systems, do you? I’d bet you don’t know a thing about the correlation between population size and economy, do you? I’d bet you don’t know a thing about the correlation between sociopolitical sysem and population size, do you?
No, the islamofascist attacks are not due to Israel and Palestine. Most of the Arab states, as I said, don’t give a damn about the Palestinians and their suffering. Islamofascism is an internal ‘deep rot’, within the Islamic states, due to its attempting to run a multimillion size population within a tribal infrastructure. That’s the lid-on-the-steam.
steve d. If the Taliban are hosts to terrorists, they are de facto terrorists themselves. Just because you have someone else do the ‘hit job’ for you, doesn’t absolve you of responsibility.
Kevin,
Oh you werent kidding….
The United States hasnt seen an attack since 9/11 so what is the conclusion….we stayed out of Iraq, apparently that didnt buy us anything did it?
And this apparently has been planned for years, before we took an increased presence. And afghanistan is considered generally a success.
Answer the following, should we have gotten involved in Yugoslavia where we STOPPED the alleged slaughtering of Muslims. Would it have been a rational response for Serbian nationalists (sometimes known as Serbian fascists) to accumulate 3 tonnes of anfo to blow up a building in toronto…would that have been justified and explainable as a “natural response” Should the tibetan community in Toronto blow up the Chinese embassy, is that a rational response, would we be wrong to arrest them for doing so or would we be wrong if we let them go?
To be as morally confused as you must be difficult. To indicate this is a rational response is delusionary and idiotic.
While this has nothing to do Afghanistan, but you insist it does, then ask the Afghani people if they are better off.
As for Islamofacism….it exists just as other forms of fascism exist. It never means that all Muslims are fascists, no different than the KKK means all protestant Christians are fascists.
See them for what they are, there is a terrible ideology out there that quite frankly wouldnt see any difference between you and me. Too bad you cant see the difference in them.