51 Replies to “Poor Man’s David Suzuki”

  1. Gore is full of crap his eyes must be dark brown.
    “Gore says the entire Greenland and Antarctic ice sheets could melt rapidly; the film then jumps to animation of Manhattan flooded.
    there are two ice sheets in Antarctica – the small one is probably shrinking – although not uniformly. The big one, five times as big is GROWING in size . . so how does lying AL conclude the Antarctic ice sheets are shrinking ??
    Maybe he searched on HIS internet 🙂
    The guy is a bonified dufus.

  2. Ian: I went to that site and was struck by this:
    ——-
    Indeed, the primary author of the first study, University of Arizona professor Jonathan Overpeck, has emphasized that temperatures are, during the 21st century, projected to reach the level experienced in the Last InterGlacial (LIG) period (approximately 130,000 years ago). According to his research, severe melting occurred in Greenland and Antarctica during the LIG, resulting in sea level increases of as much as 20 feet.

  3. me no dhimmi: Maybe the original ecologists, the natives, burnt a lot of grassland that year.

  4. I am too cheap to buy the article, but if you want to read all about global “cooling” here is an interesting link.
    http://pqasb.pqarchiver.com/nytimes/76583234.html?did=76583234&FMT=ABS&FMTS=AI&date=Aug+14%2C+1975&author=By+WALTER+SULLIVAN&pub=New+York+Times++(1857-Current+file)&desc=WARMING+TREND+SEEN+IN+CLIMATE
    I can remember in grade school being warned of “global cooling” and how it was going to kill us all! It seems every few years there has to be a new scare; global cooling, HIV/AIDS, Y2K (Y2K was my favourite), and so on. Now the big fear is “Global Warming”.
    I shot 18 this morning in 5 degrees celsius, I could use some global warming!

  5. Ian,
    Gore’s movie and book promotion is certainly not “carbon-neutral”. As well, everyone that appears in his movies, of all species, breathe out CO2, so none of us will ever be carbon neutral.
    Gore is an idiot. Just like Micheal Moore and his Halliburton shares, he wants us to do as he says, not follow his example.
    Obviously climate change is occuring, as our planet, university, etc is dynamic, not static. Climate change has always been and always will be occurring. Chekc out this story from CBC
    http://www.cbc.ca/north/story/nor-pang-skull-mystery.html
    Relevant quote:
    “Pangnirtung elder Enoosie Nashalik says the skull reminded him of a caribou calf’s, but they have neither horns nor antlers.
    After thinking about it, Nashalik remembered his father telling him southern Baffin Island used to be warmer many years ago.”

  6. Purchase credits from who, and at what price.? I might have some credits to sell them.
    What nonsense.

  7. Liberal plan to cut greenhouse emissions was a dud, researchers say
    Dennis Bueckert
    Canadian Press
    Sunday, May 28, 2006
    OTTAWA (CP) – The Liberals’ $12-billion plan to implement the Kyoto Protocol over seven years would have been largely ineffective, says an as-yet unpublished report by the C.D. Howe Institute.
    The report, marked “do not cite or circulate,” was written before the current government axed Project Green, as the plan was dubbed, and may have been a factor in the Conservatives’ decision to scrap it.
    Project Green largely relied on voluntary measures and incentives which have been shown not to work, says the study, which sarcastically calls the package “Project Dream.” …
    canada.com

  8. Well, Al Gore is indeed a Big Fat Something, for sure!
    And it’s ironic that he spews all that hot air whilst complaining about perceived “global warming”… failing to realize that he himself is a contributor in so many ways. What has HE personally done to help reduce greenhouse gas emissions?
    Does he ride a bike instead of riding in limos and flying palaces?
    Does he ever shut the f… up?
    Does he refrain from eating too many beans?
    Whatever has HE personally done?
    Big, fat windbag! Why pay him any attention?

  9. ..crap (excuse the pun) I just let out a heck of lot of methane…dang pickled onions…
    Who do I pay for credits?
    The wife wants to put a muffler on me…

  10. sorry even the “original natives” – Clovis man from northern spain hadnt made it over here by then. so the second nations which call themselves first nations and masquerade as being one certainly werent burning the grass yet.
    130000 years ago,just at the beginning of the glacial periods. Homosapiens just moved out of Africa around 120000 years ago although there were a few earlier hominids that had left. I think some of them were in the Kremlin in the 60s and 70s .

  11. Funny you mentioned that, Tom. I was talking about AlBore emitting gas and there you went and ripped one off!
    Something weird and funny is going on here! LOL
    Sorry I’m being silly again, Kate! Don’t worry, I’ll remember to be good!

  12. when will Rick Mercier issue David Suzuki the 30 tonne challenge??
    how many tonnes of coal does it take to transmit Merciers blather all over the country?

  13. Kyoto… CO2… Nice buzz words for those people to throw around, while they are:
    living in 2000+ houses with air conditioning,
    driving around town with SUVs or Minivans with air conditioning,
    buying and replacing their material possessions frequently for bigger and better possessions,
    buying prepackaged foods,
    flying to their favourite vacation spots,
    using disposable this and disposable that.

  14. Catherine!
    I had a knock down drag ’em out war with an old friend who is deep into global warming hysteria and calling me some very unpleasant names. Gues what: he went out and bought a very expensive top of the line VW Phaedra gas-guzzler. I’ve been gently asking him if he had considered the Prius before making his purchase. Can’t get an answer. ‘Nuff said.

  15. That’s the VW Phaeton, not Phaedra. And it’s being discontinued as folks can’t get used to the idea of a huge, ultra-luxury VW.
    Guess they’ll have to get an Audi A8, which shares the same platform architecture.

  16. Well, I’m doing my bit!
    I make it a point to fly business class for all air travel overnight or over eight hours.
    So, with the price of my ticket, I’m no doubt buying carbon credits like crazy – and – by taking up room on the plane that would represent two or three economy seats – I’m actually keeping down the number of people flying.
    Another glass of bubbly? Yes please.

  17. It must give you doubters a strong sense of superiority to think you know more than the vast majority of scientists who have actually studied this and concluded global warming is happening and is largely human produced. All these scientists had to do was listen to Rush, or watch Fox for a few precious hours, or just look out their windows and see its a hoax. Ha,Ha,Ha
    Scientists were never as bright as they were made out to be anyway, right? Science is overrated. Right? But doubters intelligence is way underrated. Right? Doubters probably know more about science than the scientists. Right?

  18. Hey Steve D.
    Since the Polar Caps on Mars are also shrinking with no SUVs in sight, did you ever think that just maybe it might be the sun itself overheating things by increasing output?
    By the way lactic acid used to be accepted as the cause of sore muscles after exercise by most scientists. Guess what? It isn’t.

  19. DDT
    Oh, good. Then I can relax because any day now they will all rescind their findings. What a relief!
    Now that is scientific reasoning.
    They rescinded lactic acid causing muscle soreness, therefore, they will rescind global warming.
    I hope they rescind it before the poles are completely melted.

  20. I used to like Tipper Gore when she was campaigning to have the contents of the music our kids are listening to posted on the packaging, ‘same way the listing of the contents of our food is mandatory on the label: We are what we eat. Our kids are what they listen to.
    But, Good God. What’s happened to Al? Cleentonitis, that’s what. What’s the cure?

  21. Att:young “citizen journalists.”, including hot dog, regregreem, doofydav, blechct, agigatfacts, and Joe Volpe/Gag: Youse owes Gores a bribe $$$$$.
    Gore even took a seat from Abble… thief socialist wanker….
    Blow hurricanes, blow …. Gore for Presz, Skerry for VP…. Hillarious…..
    Gore Inc. (Algore has made a fortune since 2000)
    Forbes ^ | 6/5/06 | Matthew Miller
    Posted on 05/28/2006 3:33:53 PM PDT by wagglebee
    Five years ago Al Gore seemed a bit washed up. The Florida fiasco left him looking more like a sore loser than a martyr. He wasn’t doing well financially, either. He had a reported minimum net worth of only $800,000 the year before the election.
    But now, glory, honor and money are all his. Gore, 58, is the hero of a scary documentary on environmental decay (An Inconvenient Truth, due to be released across the U.S. soon after its May 24 opening in New York and Los Angeles). He has recently been the cover boy for Wired and Vanity Fair, penning for the latter a lengthy essay on the need for environmental reform. If we get another bad hurricane season, he could become a very plausible contender against Hillary Clinton for the Democratic presidential nomination in two years.
    As for money, his biggest payday may come from Google. In February 2001 Gore signed on as a part-time senior adviser. What did he get? His handlers won’t say, but if any part of the compensation was in stock or options, that equity would have to be worth a princely sum, as Google has had explosive success since then in collecting advertising dollars. For a reference point, compare Eric Schmidt, who joined a month later as the chairman and got equity now worth $5.2 billion. If Gore’s stake is just a sliver in comparison, it could still be an immense sum.
    In 2003 Gore took a seat on the board of Apple Computer; today he has 60,000 options, worth $2 million. The following year he and a few others invested $70 million (Gore’s share was not disclosed) to start Current TV, a cable network aimed at young “citizen journalists.” …
    http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1639832/posts

  22. Steve d. over sixty scientists sent a letter to Harper, urging him to opt out of Kyoto.
    Perhaps you should consider the facts listed in the comments above regarding severe climate changes in north america before any humans of any races arrived here. No one here is denying that the climate is changing. What hasn’t been proven is that us evil humans are to blame.

  23. Canadian Sentinel. Thanks for the model correction — of course! I rode in it once .. extremely cool avant garde interior. But outside just a big car with a jarring VW ornament. Weirded me out ‘cos despite being a hysterical greenie he passed on the Prius and went for what we all know what, and didnt’ get it: cache!

  24. Angela
    Yeah I read it.
    Ottawa (AFP) Apr 20, 2006
    Ninety top scientists in Canada pressed Prime Minister Stephen Harper, who is hostile to the Kyoto Protocol, to tackle climate change now or risk devastating consequences for the country.
    Sounds like the opposite to what you claim.

  25. i dont think it matters what caused global warming 130,000 years ago. obviously they never had the technology to destroy the planet back then.we do and i feel it is the best interest of mankind to err on the side of caution-for our childrens childrens sake.

  26. i dont think it matters what caused global warming 130,000 years ago. obviously they never had the technology to destroy the planet back then.we do and i feel it is the best interest of mankind to err on the side of caution-for our childrens childrens sake.

  27. Kyoto is the biggest Hoax the world has ever seen. Kyoto was born in Oak Lake, Manitoba in the 1930’s. Maurice Strong, yes a Canadian, is the Grandfather of Kyoto. From Stockholm to Rio to The Earth Charter to The UN to One World Governance, MS and his “ideas” are what the Kyoto Protocol is all about. The first hint of Kyoto surfaced in the 90’s while Maurice Strong was Chairman of debt-ridden Ontario Hydro. Out of the blue OH purchased a rain forest in Costa Rica. Many millions. Some were outraged. Where and the hell did this idea come from !! MS countered, it was to off-set OH’s emissions. What many at the time did not realize was the power and influence that the man had in world affairs. He liked NGO’s, The UN, Environmental Activists and other non-elected organizations. Was Paul Martins life long mentor. Google Maurice Strong and you will see why we have the Kyoto Hoax and how the scam was able to engulf the world. It would, however never have got this far without the help of the MSM. This is the puzzling part for me. The best explaination I have found is on Patrick Moore’s (co-founder of Greenpeace) website, Greenspirit. Look up “Hard Choices for the Environmental Movement”. The Earth’s climate has always been changing. It is not about science.It is a belief. That is why the big promoters like Gore, Suzuki, Chretien, Martin will never debate it.

  28. Canada’s Francais Media has reported Michael Ignatieff as saying, “We think Kyoto has been an asset for us ? (Federal Liberals) It’s actually been a huge political liability”. Remember how Paul Martin took to the world stage to chastise others for not bowing to the UN’s Maurice Strong’s Kyoto “plan” for the world. Seems that the MSM does not like to “fill the people in” on all the world’s Hoaxes. Like Kyoto, or Crop Circles, or Oil For Food, or 70’s Global Cooling, or Franken Foods, or Martians, or Y2K, or Lost City of Atlantis, or Roswell NM space ship, or Shroud of Turin, or Earth Charter, or One World Governance, or Dr. Mann’s Hockey Stick Graph, or Bermuda Triangle.

  29. Seriously though don’t we spend too much time and money on things we have so little control over? As a Canadian taxpayer , I would rather see our money go to safe kids, safe water, safe food, to name a few. Scientists will be arguing about this, even profitting from it, till the middle of the next ice age. I noticed CEI is boasting of it’s success/wealth. What about David Suzuki? The only ones happy are the scientists, politicians and the offenders,(the ones wanting to buy credits). What will it matter if some lunatic sets off a nuclear bomb? What will Canada’s contribution amount to then?
    I’m not saying we shouldn’t worry about the ozone, just put the onus on the polluters, not the tax payers. Maybe a panel of Industry CEO’s, (oil)Shipping tycoons, politicians and scientists, etc. should go on a world wide tour, drink from the same water sources, eat from the same table as those who are forced to live with the end product of their scientific findings? Perhaps spend a day at the beach with no sun screen? Wasn’t there a story last week that it’s now ok to spend time outside without sunscreen? I guess it’s like they say in Alberta if you don’t like the weather, wait five minutes. If you don’t like the science…

  30. steve d. OK – let’s just go to the other extreme. Noone is saying the our society is doing harm to our environment. That was not my point.
    “Kyoto” is the latest buzz word. The sheep jump on the latest fad thinking the government has the magic touch to make environmental damage go away. The sheep should look to themselves and their living styles. What have the sheep done over the last couple of decades, especially over the last decade? The sheep don’t want to live in smaller homes. The sheep don’t want to drive smaller vehicles (the engines did become very effecient). The sheep don’t want to give up their disposal mindset. The sheep don’t want to take a hit on anything – because they themselves are not the problem. Right?

  31. Humans are a result of global warming not a cause. The naked ape would still be confined to Africa if there were a mile thick ice barrier across Europe.
    oh yes there were a few migrations here and there but think yak herders not farmers or technology.The last places to come out of the iceage- Canada , Finland and Northern Russia are still the areas with poorest climate and the least people.The places still in it- Greenland and the Antarctic are essentially uninhabited.

  32. In any event, Canadians don’t have a clue what Kyoto is all about; National Post story May 29:
    “Poll shows Canadians in the dark about Kyoto
    It may be one of the most politically charged topics of today, but more than two-thirds of Canadians say they know nothing about the international Kyoto agreement on climate change, a new opinion survey has revealed.
    Nearly 89 per cent of Canadians have heard about the Kyoto accord, but 68 per cent say they don’t know any of the details, according to an Ipsos Reid poll of 1,621 Canadians completed this spring…”
    Mark
    Ottawa

  33. Maurice Strong. Western Standard May 8 issue cover story on Strong + interview. Must read.
    Quote from the 90s:
    “Isn’t the only hope for the planet that industrialized civilizations collapse. Isn’t it our responsibility to bring that about”.
    Comment: Interview took place in his $1500/night hotel suite overlooking Vancouver’s Coal Harbour.

  34. If it’s agreed that protecting the environment is a key responsibility of first world nations, Kyoto is a backwards way of doing it in Canada. The main effect of Kyoto is to retard further development of resources.
    The nations with the worst environmental stewardships are some of the poorest. Canada, being primarily a resource based economy would force its’ economy into negative growth (i.e. a depression) to achieve Kyoto’s goals. The result would be huge unemployment and widespread backsliding of environmental conditions. Defending against a secondary greenhouse gas like CO2 is hardly worth it’s cost to the rest of the environment.
    The best chance we have to protect our land/water/air is to protect the foundations upon which our economy is built…that is unless you subscribe to Suzuki & co.’s “final solution” to overpopulation.

  35. “As well, everyone that appears in his movies, of all species, breathe out CO2, so none of us will ever be carbon neutral.”
    Whoa, Angela. What goes out must have come in. The CO2 we breathe out is produced by breaking down the carbon compounds we eat, and those carbon compounds can be traced back (directly or indirectly) to plants, which used CO2 to produce them. If we were to eat only what we could hunt, gather, or grow through our own labour, we would be exactly carbon neutral. Even if we burn wood (or grassland), as long as we aren’t taking it faster than the forest (or grassland) can produce it, we are still carbon neutral.
    But I have serious doubts about making anything carbon neutral through credits. I agree with Catherine, it’s pointless (and immoral, I’d say) to be crying for the government to “do something” if you aren’t willing to take responsibility for your own lifestyle.
    I also get tired of reading the same few bits of skeptic argument repeated over and over every time Kyoto or CO2 is mentioned. Just because Kyoto is bad (or terrible, or a plot to control the world) doesn’t mean global warming is a hoax. “Glaciers are actually getting thicker” – in places, yes, as predicted by the climate models due to increased evaporation and precipitation – but the overall mass of glaciers worldwide is shrinking fast. “Satellite data is more reliable than land-based weather stations, and it showed no warming” – actually, it has its own set of problems, being pieced together from a bunch of different satellites, and later studies revealed problems with the way the different parts of the data set were calibrated. Once these problems were corrected, the warming trend showed up in the satellite data as well. “The hockey-stick graph was wrong” – well, read a bunch of articles on both sides of that argument and see if you still think so.
    Now, the rest of this comment is not directed to any one person, it’s just my reaction to a lot of discussions like this over the years, so please don’t take it personally. But if you think it might apply to you, please think about it. Why do so many people put so much energy into repeating a few skeptical arguments instead of actually checking out the facts? When you spread this stuff around, how many people do you distract, so they never get to the facts? How many people do you turn into skeptics who will never think of changing their own lifestyle? How big is the footprint from your hot air?

  36. There is an entire industry being born around cleaning up the environment. You can buy it from countries like Sweden or we can start developing our own. It is an opportunity not the end of anything except I hope air, water and land pollution.
    While we are playing stubborn and stupid others are seeing a new way of being. 100% re-cycling, anti-pollution devices in industrial plants, bio-degradables. Hello? Is everyone brain-dead?
    The tar sands is our big opportunity to discover how to do it as cleanly as humanly possible. This is a bad thing???? Alberta has billions sitting in the bank. Invest in developing CLEAN technology then sell it to the world.
    Canada should be the leader in this because we have best evironment in the world and thus the most to lose if science is right and doubters are wrong.

  37. The United Nation’s “hockey stick graph”. Fact, the earth was much warmer during the “Medieval Warm Period”.(~1100 AD) Fact, the earth was much colder during the “Little Ice Age”.(~1700). Dr. Mann’s hockey stick graph shows the earths temperature a straight line until the 1900’s when it suddenly rose. It is a hoax. If it walks like a duck and it talks like a duck it is Kyoto. Partly because of the MSM, “all the world’s hoaxes” can be hoisted on us and perpetuated. Then when finally exposed, the MSM, instead of reporting on the scam, simply jumps to the next “new” hoax. Martians-War-of-the- Worlds, perpetual-motion-machines, Y2K, global-cooling-of-the-70’s, DDT-kills-us(mosquitoes & malaria kill hundreds EVERY day), Bermuda- Triangle, Adscam, and on and on.

  38. B.Hoax Aware
    Ho Hum, so many stupid scientists. Now you would think that those thousands of scientists who have studied this from so manhy angles would have thought about the earth temperature as a variable? Too bad they they aren’t as smart as you B.Hoax Aware. It must feel great to be so superior intellectually than the vast majority of scientists.

  39. Let’s hope they get that new “Clean” technology figured out at the Alberta tar sands. So far an expensive embarrassment.

  40. B. Hoax Aware:
    Fact: What you call the “hockey stick graph” was not dreamed up by the United Nations. There are numerous climate reconstructions, using different techniques to estimate past temperatures and remove noise resulting from regional warming and cooling (such as the Medieval Warm and the Little Ice Age), which show much the same result: that the late 20th century shows an unusual world-wide upswing in temperature. It appears that you have read just far enough to find a factoid that matches what you expected (hoped?) to find, and stopped there.
    Suggested reading: a discussion of myths and facts concerning the so-called “hockey stick reconstruction”
    http://www.realclimate.org/index.php?p=11
    I do agree, to some extent, with your assessment of the MSM. They do tend to overstate each new discovery as a big scare, and then neglect to follow through with the slow, boring details as the new knowledge is refined and tested. Hence many big scares are now ignored as if they had been debunked, when in fact they are playing out in the direction predicted, if not at the speed and magnitude that was first trumpeted in the media.

  41. Laura, With respect, the Medieval Warm Period and the Little Ice Age are NOT noise. They were world wide events and are proven, long before Kyoto was hoisted on us. Wondering why the Kyoto hoax was hoisted on us anyways ?? Simple just google Maurice Strong.

  42. They were discussed long before, but not proven. The increased attention to climatic data has given researchers a lot more types of evidence to work with, and what looked like world-wide events turned out to be more local than the limited historical data indicated.
    Don’t get me wrong. I know a good deal about the mixed motives for Kyoto, and I don’t hang any hopes on it at all. What bugs me is that instead of digging out and laying bare the machinations of political and economic opportunists, and killing Kyoto that way, so many people attack the concept of global warming itself. It’s like the concept is assumed guilty by association with the scoundrels who are using it for their own ends.
    And by the way, I’m oversimplifying here. I’m sure there are true believers supporting Kyoto as well. But I suspect most of them are very naive idealists who want the problem solved by somebody out there, and don’t want to face the reality of how their own lives would have to change if Kyoto was to actually amount to anything.

  43. Good. Laura, after a few exchanges we find that instead of a major quarrel I think we agree on a lot. Opportunist wakos have taken over the support side. Agreed, the earth has been warming a little recently, has before. May be a problem, maybe not. As with many situations, climate change is not black and white but shades of grey.

  44. Kyoto’s dead: What’s next?
    Terence Corcoran, Financial Post
    Published: Wednesday, May 31, 2006
    It is now obvious that the Kyoto Protocol, the Crown jewel of the 13-year Chretien-Liberal reign in Ottawa and a colossal global policy fiasco, is collapsing. Hatched at a farcical United Nations climate conference in Kyoto in 1997, with Al Gore and Jean Chretien among a cast of loopy godfathers, the Protocol set absurd energy consumption targets and triggered billions in mal-investment and waste all over the world.
    The list of nations now willing to pull the plug on aspects of Kyoto includes Canada, Australia, New Zealand, Germany, the United States, Japan, China and India. Even the Greens have given up. Writing in Toronto’s leftist Now magazine, Wayne Roberts this week says, “Enviros might consider a rethink in the cold light of day about how climate-saving could be instigated outside of Kyoto — a process that can be judged as going nowhere fast.”
    The extent of the waste potential under Kyoto, as far as Canada is concerned, was nicely documented this week by Mark Jaccard and colleagues at Simon Fraser University in a new paper titled “Burning Our Money to Warm the Planet.” Published by the C.D. Howe Institute, the paper concludes that under the Liberal “Project Green” plan, Ottawa would have blown $80-billion over the next 35 years with little to show for it. Canada’s greenhouse gas emissions were still heading for 1,000 megatonnes a year by 2040, about 50% above the targets set in 1997 by prime minister Chretien in Kyoto.
    Spending by industry and others would send the cost of Kyoto even higher, much of it ineffective, even counterproductive. The Jaccard paper does a fine job demonstrating the uselessness of voluntary agreements, soft incentives, wind power subsidies, tradable permits and light-bulb gimmicks to get Canadians to reduce energy consumption.
    So now that it’s clear Kyoto is crumbling internationally and has produced policy folly in Canada and abroad, what next? We are clearly approaching global and national policy conflagration over global warming issues. Chances are the current sense of uncertainty and confusion will accelerate over the next year or two.
    The first issue for environmentalists, as Kyoto fails, is to keep the science flame alive. A big international push is underway to salvage the scientific theories behind man-made global warming. Skepticism abounds and activists are swinging into action. Leading the pack, with major media support — cover stories in Vanity Fair, Wired, etc. — is Al Gore, who helped create Kyoto and is now promoting a new bio-doc film that turns his extreme views of the environment into a popular entertainment.
    Assuming Mr. Gore and other extremists will continue to succeed in pushing the science scare on the public, what are the policy options, especially for Canada? Here are three. …
    http://www.paulding.net/bin/url.cgi/13300.4
    C.D. Howe Institute
    “Burning Our Money To Warm The Planet”
    http://www.cdhowe.org/pdf/commentary_234.pdf

  45. Terence Corcoran has said it all, amen !! Kyoto is a far bigger scam than Adscam itsef. Adscam cost us Millions $$. Kyoto has already cost us BILLIONS $$ and would have cost us many more Billions $$ if Paul Martins crew had stayed in power. At least with Addyscam there was a flicker of truth in “to save the country”. With the Kyoto Hoax it was all sacm from the start. The MSM was a willing partner in these Hoaxes by their not giving either a critical review early on and exposing the scams. Canadian taxpayer money was stolen. Perhaps someone will look into the possibility of a class action suit. Investigative journalism !?!?

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