Jeff Jedras was at the Liberal Party of Canada convention in Toronto;
“Rae compared Neville Chamberlain and the Munich Pact/appeasement of Nazi Germany with Stephen Harper’s surrender to Bush on softwood.”
Now, don’t expect any brouhaha in the media over this. There’s a difference between comparing the leader of our largest trading partner to Adolf Hitler, and say – a Conservative MP alluding to Supreme Court Justices as “playing God”. That difference is, of course, that Bob Rae is running for the Liberal leadership.
h/t Maz2 in the comments.
A reader emailed to advise that he’s phoned Rae’s office and was told they plan to issue a press release on this. Kinsella has Rae in his crosshairs, too.
Kinsella has this as well.
Just for the record, I’m encouraging all Conservative minded people to buy Liberal memberships and vote for Rae. The thought of him as Liberal leader excites me in a way that nothing ever could. (Make of that what you will)
now that’s a plan . . . conservatives working to elect Bob Rae.
Sweeeeeeeeeeet 🙂
Trev: May moi ask a question? Where does one get a membership? From whom? Does Guilte have an e-mail address? Maybe it’s: sponsorsipadscam@Chretien/Martin.mamateresas:attGagFile:GumDingwall registrybangbang.
MONTREAL (CP) – A retired Justice Department official responsible for approving advertising was astonished to discover a lucrative contract promoting the gun registry went out with Chuck Guite’s approval instead of her own, Guite’s fraud trial heard Tuesday.
Wendy Sailman, who was in charge of department advertising in the mid-1990s, testified she launched a search for a $330,000 research contract to promote the gun registry after a reporter asked about it.
When Sailman failed to find the contract, she contacted Public Works, where Guite was in charge of advertising. via cnews
And we should perhaps compare the current interim Liberal leader Bill Graham calls for debate on Afghanistan, to that of Ribbentrop making a non-aggression pact with Stalin?
Well I’m glad they have all got their moral metrics in perspective!!
The fine ideological line between the NDP and Libs is very fuzzy and actually merges occasionally when the issue is attitude towards the US. The NDP are simply the Libs in fast forward. With any kind of union of these parties their core support will ensure that Canada will resume the slide into a national socialist nightmare. Bob Rae is dangerous.
Here’s the dilemma: if a “righward leaning” candidate assumes the Liberal leadership, he can keep that relationship cool and split the left vote but may also suceed in pulling “left-leaning” Conservatives away from Harper.
The solution might be for all good Westerners to get behind Hedy Fry as the Liberals historically do very poorly under a Westerner – they have difficulty hiding their Toronto-based contempt for the unwashed. She won’t pull support from any party and the country will benefit under a Harper majority after the next election.
Buy Liberal membership and vote for Rae.
The final blow to the head of the beast. Brilliant idea. I’m going to pass this on.
Finally. The HIDDEN agenda is revealed! 😉
I thought it is Osama bin laden talking about Bush until I saw “Bob Rae” thingy there.
Whatever…. I see no difference though
Jedras provides a commentary on all the Liberal candidates – and does indeed state that Bob Rae compared Harper’s settlement of the softwood deal with the US as a Chamberlain Munich style settlement with Hitler. That’s outrageous but as Kate points out, we aren’t going to hear about this Hitler Metaphor on our Canadian MSM.
The Canadian MSM is engaged in an open war against Harper. Consider that there are TWO hour long shows, each day, which are effectively Liberal propaganda tirades against Harper. There’s CTV’s Mike Duffy and the CBC’s Don Newman. Both bring in their ‘pundits’ – the Jane Tabers, and whoever..and it’s relentless, hour long anti-Harper comments.
My comments on the Liberal candidates -using only the brief data supplied by Jedras:
Hedy Fry said that ‘multiculturalism is ‘our secret weapon of mass inclusion’. So cute. So stupid. Multiculturalism isn’t about inclusion. It’s about exclusion. It locks people into groups, rejects them as individuals, and defines the groups as clones of 100 years ago – in the ‘old country’. It rejects assimilation and adaptation and cooperative development of a new modern identity in Canada.
Ignatieff – pontificates on the usual – Canadian values (what the heck are they – and how do they differ from the basic values of most other western nations???) And on..to social equality, financial management, national unity- all core values of any western society.
Then – he defines the Liberals as ‘the party of equality of opportunity’. Hah. Never. Not with bilingualism as the entrance requirement for working in the gov’t.
Oh – and Ignatieff also refers to ‘clean coal’. My goodness – I’ll bet the MSM won’t say a word about this. He’s copying George Bush! That individual whom Rae defines as Hitler!!!
“During his campaign for the Presidency, George W. Bush pledged to commit $2 billion over 10 years to advance clean coal technology – a pledge he has subsequently carried out in the National Energy Policy and in budget requests to Congress.”
http://www.fossil.energy.gov/programs/powersystems/cleancoal/
I am, however, very concerned about the MSM’s open war on Harper.
I think that blogs have to be more organized to counter this…
ET: “I think that blogs have to be more organized…….”
Count me in.
I guess Bob Rae has not heard of Godwin’s Law (also Godwin’s Rule of Nazi Analogies).
From Wikipedia … “Godwin’s Law (also Godwin’s Rule of Nazi Analogies) is, in Internet culture, an adage originated in 1990 by Mike Godwin that states:
As an online discussion grows longer, the probability of a comparison involving Nazis or Hitler approaches 1.
There is a tradition in many Usenet newsgroups that once such a comparison is made the thread in which the comment was posted is finished and whoever mentioned the Nazis has automatically lost whatever debate was in progress.”
I especially like the last part: ” … whoever mentioned the Nazis has automatically lost whatever debate was in progress.”
“I think that blogs have to be more organized to counter this…”
Excellent concept, and probably the only way to pry the leftist MSM’s deadly propaganda out of many Canadian minds. Good start would be to scrap the CRTC and the CBC, and stop buying the Toronto Star (Pravda).
Hey —– its CBCpravda and CTVtass
Over the years I have found that any analogy to the Nazis, Hitler, Chamberlain etc usually indicate that the person making the analogy has a very weak argument. The reference to Hitler etc. is usually made in order to try to hide that weakness. Bob Rae’s comparison of the softwood deal to Chamberlain’s pact with Hitler follows this pattern. I also find such references offensive as they trivialize the magnitude of the crimes committed by Hitler and the Nazis. Bob is so far showing good credentials in his application for the job as Liberal leader: intellectual laziness, heavy on the hyperbole and a lack of moral integrity.
Did Bob “spend his way out of a recession” Rae actually say how he would have dealt with the, ahem, log jam?
Some lumber variation on Rae Days, perhaps?
Regardless, I want this man to win. If he can’t do it, I want Hedy. And if she can’t do it, I want Carolyn Parrish in there!
So, World War IV is over lumber and not a clash between Islam and Western Judaeo-Christian civilization?
Okay, where’s the Kool-aid line?
/blind Lieberal
How did moi get here? Easy….
Linked at nealenews.com
H/T Warren Kinsella is not an ibrano$.
(Boycott Bourque)
For what it’s worth, the point of the analogy – which didn’t go over very well with the crowd – was that, like the Munich Pact, this is a bad deal that won’t bring peace on the softwood lumber front. Hitler illegally invaded Czech and the Munich Pact gave it the stamp of approval. The US stole $5B and we just said ‘it’s OK why don’t you keep $1B for all the trouble we’ve caused you’.
The analogy was over the top but that was clearly the point he was making. He didn’t compare Harper and Bush to Hitler and Chamberlain. As for Liberals supporting that: the very site Kate links to makes a critique of it and you’ve got another her. It went over like a lead balloon in the conference hall.
Sorry to interrupt the daily media/Liberal rant. Carry on now as you were.
Ted
Cerberus
I heard him say this on Question Period last Sunday. Any body got a copy out there?
Here’s my contribution to Bob’s Online Campaign 😀
http://www.thecomputergeeks.ca/BLOG/?p=1049
Back in the days when Bob Rae was burying Ontario in debt, I recall Barbara Amiel in her then regular Toronto Sun Column astutely refer to Rae as a “crypto-communist.”
Only his party name has changed, ND to Lib.
Same old Bob. Ready to take Canada down another socialist rabbit hole.
millions of people dead in WW2 compares with a trade deal on softwood lumber? …. and their only real dislike of this deal is “the liberals didn’t get it”?
what balls.!
Three psychiatrists- even dead ones- could make a fortune off Bob Rae type liberals.
That fortune would be made opting out of the healthcare system.
Prominent Liberals prefer private healthcare, anyway.
Osama Bob Rae? Think it could stick? How I pray to Allah that the Liberals are dumb enough to appoint this PowerCorp stooge. Ontario is still trying to recover from his lunacy.
Speaking about his tenure as Ont. Bob said yes he made some mistakes. Fine Bob, we all do. But who paid for your mistakes? The province and the country. Bob seems to be doing OK. He brought about the “horor/Hitler” that was Mike Harris, though Harris was the one to bring Ont. out of the duldrums.
All I want from Bob is to lead the Liberal Party in a resounding chorus of “We’re in the Same Boat Now”.
BTW the Liberals are angry, Stephen Harper angry. One might say MAD.
It wasn’t just Rae.
See Bill Graham’s comments.
Bob Rae, the failed NDP premier of Ontario, now wants to run the Liberals. I thought the Libs might try to clean up their rotten reputation.
Tiger, did you email that link to Kinsella?
I’d love to see Bill mentioned in the Kinsella’s next NP column as well.
ET at May 10, 2006 12:33 PM said: “Multiculturalism isn’t about inclusion. It’s about exclusion. It locks people into groups, rejects them as individuals, and defines the groups as clones of 100 years ago – in the ‘old country’. It rejects assimilation and adaptation and cooperative development of a new modern identity in Canada.”
As a naturalized Canadian who holds the same view, I applaud you for that. And so well said.
But then you go and spoil it all by saying ” … equality of opportunity’. Hah. Never. Not with bilingualism as the entrance requirement for working in the gov’t.”
Just when I was growing rather fond of your postings … oh, well life’s full of little letdowns …
I just watched Duffy and not only did Duffy and Craig Oliver dismiss the Rae incident, they went over the top as far as I am concerned with Velacott. Duffy’s remarks were about social conservatives who support Vellacott and he said and I quote loosely, where are they from the Christian Heritage Party?? To Duffy’s mind I guess if you are againt abortion, SSM, or you think the Supremes are activists, that makes you a right winger on the fringe.
If anyone else watched Duffy feel free to tell me if I read it wrong.
Cerberus/Ted – you are quite wrong. The US did not ‘steal’ 5 billion. It didn’t steal anything.
Canada’s low stumpage fees amount to a subsidy and therefore, an unfair capacity to provide lower softwood lumber than the American forestry industry can. Their lumber is, like that of the Maritimes, harvested from PRIVATELY owned land. But, in BC etc – the lumber is harvested from PUBLIC lands, and the gov’t charges only a low fee, which amounts to, in effect, a subsidy. That’s not equality.
The US gov’t therefore had every right to charge a tariff on subsidized incoming lumber.
Now – you can go back to your usual anti-American rant.
gabby in QC – ah, it is indeed a sad day. Sorry to disapoint you. What do I miss about Montreal? Ogilvy’s (notice the apostrophe); just Ogilvy’s.
Canada is not a bilingual country, and forcing it to be what it is not – a practice carried out most extensively in socialist, communist, fascist, ie totalitarian social modes – is a grave error.
You only learn a second, third etc language if you use it in actual daily life. Many Canadians speak another or more languages – but it certainly isn’t French. It may be Chinese, Ukrainian, Polish and etc.
Forcing the citizens of a country to learn that language which they never, ever, use in their daily life – OR – they cannot be key members of the gov’t, cannot be deputy ministers, cannot be reviewers of all Canadian research grants, cannot be heads of the public corporations..That’s discrimination.
What it does, is it sets up a small, closed, self-defining set of mandarins, a bureaucratic class defined and confined to itself. That’s what has happened over the generation since bilingualism was made official. Among anglophones, less than 10% are bilingual. Among francophones, it’s an economic necessity, and about 40% are bilingual. This is not going to change; it’s been one generation.
The result is – that the federal government has moved more and more into the control of a closed and isolate set of bureaucrats, confined to the Montreal-Ottawa corridor. That’s dangerous in any country – whether your elite are a landed gentry as in 17th c Europe, or theocrats as in Iran, or a particular tribe as in old Iraq.
Mike, you didnt read it wrong.
I made myself a promise today to never watch that show again.
My blood pressure wont take it.
Rae’s website says to call him Bob.
OK, Bob.
Bob, meet Ward Churchill & his “little Eichmanns”.
Bob, how would your late father, Saul Rae, respond to your smear? With shame? Approval?
Bob Rae, it is best you resign. You have fouled your self. Resign, Bob, for the good of the Liberal party. Resign, Bob.
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Mr Kinsella said he could write a book about it,but in the meantime wanted this little bitty to spread like the mutating Gene of a fruit ,thanks, fly
May 10, 2006 – I now have confirmation from more than a dozen people who were present at the LPC(O) leadership forum in Toronto last Friday: Bob Rae did, in fact, liken the softwood lumber agreement to the Hitler-Chamberlain Munich Pact. Which certainly suggests Rae analogizes Harper and Bush, jointly and severally, to Hitler and Chamberlain.
I’d ask his campaign who Rae regards as Hitler, in that scenario, if they got back to me. Which they did not.
This is so bloody depressing. And it’s reason #3,451 why a lot of us aren’t so involved with the Liberal Party of Canada anymore
http://www.voy.com/178771/
sarge here.well when yer boy gives mr bush and his pals yer tar sands and lets us strip mine yer northern terratories(after yer ice caps melt) you could stiill use the hitler/chamberlain anology but sarge thinks it will be more apt to compare old bush and cheney to hitler when y’all so no, and we takes it anyway. yup youy betcha, canada is our bitch. thanks fer makin’ it easy.
Sarge
How right you are. Canada is America’s bitch. Pick your commodity and third world countries have better deals than Canada has settled for. But you know we don’t like people, especially Americans, to be angry at us so we bend over backwards to please. Liberals through the backdoor and Conservatives through the front door, but the result is the same. Canadians believe that the Neville Chamberlain solution (Appeasement)regarding America is best. Peace in our time with America.
If we were America’s b*tch, wouldn’t we bend over forward?
Call-me-Bob says: I am Aunty-American. I am a socialist. Buzz and me are buddies, eh, Buzt?
Buzz answers: CAW…..
Call-me-Bob says:
“Having worked on the softwood file for the past several years as a lawyer, I understand the extent to which the American industry and political system have worked against the interests of our producers here in Canada.”
bobrae.cia
It seems the Lib friendly MSM refuses to take any of the LPC leadership contenders to task for their ridiculous remarks, or for that matter to even report these remarks.
In light of this gap in media coverage I am proposing nominations to recognize the LPC leadership canidate’s efforts in sublime stupidity.
Therefore I have instituted The 2006 Liberal Leadership Canidates Award for Excellence in Hysterical Hyperbole.
Carolyn Bennett is the first nominee for her brilliant assertation that a lack of universal childcare will ultimately equate to a burgeoning prison population in the future. Well done Carolyn.
Of course Bob Rae now qualifies with his unique and highly creative analogy equating Neville Chamberlain’s Munich Pact agreement with Hitler to the recent resolution of the softwood lumber dispute. Kudos Bob on being the first canidate to make a Nazi reference regarding PM Harper!!! I’m sure the other canidates are envious!!
As the LPC leadership race heats up I look forward to numerous other contenders emerging to stake their claim to this coveted honour.
Go Heddy!!!!!
Syncro
It seems the Lib friendly MSM refuses to take any of the LPC leadership contenders to task for their ridiculous remarks, or for that matter to even report these remarks.
In light of this gap in media coverage I am proposing nominations to recognize the LPC leadership canidate’s efforts in sublime stupidity.
Therefore I have instituted The 2006 Liberal Leadership Canidates Award for Excellence in Hysterical Hyperbole.
Carolyn Bennett is the first nominee for her brilliant assertation that a lack of universal childcare will ultimately equate to a burgeoning prison population in the future. Well done Carolyn.
Of course Bob Rae now qualifies with his unique and highly creative analogy equating Neville Chamberlain’s Munich Pact agreement with Hitler to the recent resolution of the softwood lumber dispute. Kudos Bob on being the first canidate to make a Nazi reference regarding PM Harper!!! I’m sure the other canidates are envious!!
As the LPC leadership race heats up I look forward to numerous other contenders emerging to stake their claim to this coveted honour.
Go Heddy!!!!!
Syncro
Sarge, do they not have shift keys on the computers at Wisconsin-Madison University?
Oh, ET. Still on that are you? Well, I don’t want to get into the whole stumpage/subsidy issue with you here. But even if you think that it is a subsidy, the $5B was illegal under NAFTA. Even if you ignore the countless rulings by the many many tribunals under NAFTA, the duties they charged were illegal.
And BTW, a criticism of the US or of a deal with the US is not the same thing as being anti-American. Readers on this site who know me know very well I’m far from anti-American. But I am not also not pro-American on every issue. For some reason, a lot of people like you confuse not being pro-American on every issue with being anti-American.
Ted
Cerberus
Winston, you dolt.
“I thought it is Osama bin laden talking about Bush until I saw “Bob Rae” thingy there.
Whatever…. I see no difference though”
It’s wrong to compare Bush to Hitler.
It’s equally wrong to compare Rae to Bin Ladin. Although understandable if you’re, say, 8.
Jason D,
Are you saying the Lib candidates have minds of 8 year olds?
I am alarmed that the CBC is not all over this. We do a lot of business and maintain many positive relationships with Americans. So many Americans died fighting Naziism that I find the analogy of Rae indefensable. Rae is worsening the rural/urban split that has developed in most of Canada except the Maritimes where Liberals are supported ad nauseum .
Why is the MSM so hell bent on portraying the elected representatives of especially western Canadians as closet right wing extremists? Can there now be any doubt that the CBC in particular has a very pro-LPC bias? It really stifles the debate when no other Liberals will counter Rae’s assertions that our American neighbours are like Naziis. It is depressing in fact that Tooronto, Vancouver and Montreal are obstructing the progress of our nation by supplying us with such representatives who are intolerant of other Canadians read those of us who pay the bills.
steve d,
“Pick your commodity and third world countries have better deals than Canada has settled for.”
You pick them – show me one if you can … although 3 is preferable for a claim like this one.
Let’s not gloss over this ‘get a Liberal membership and vote for Bob Rae thing’.
You could probably e-mail his campaign office and request a free membership based on the fact that those darn Conservatives have taken money from your wallet by ‘cancelling’ the daycare program and ‘raising’ taxes.
Actually…. I think I’m going to give this a whirl. I’ll let you all know how it goes. 🙂
ET at May 10, 2006 06:19 PM said:
“Canada is not a bilingual country, and forcing it to be what it is not – a practice carried out most extensively in socialist, communist, fascist, ie totalitarian social modes – is a grave error.”
Ummm, I don’t think Mr. Harper, whose French improves daily, would agree with you. It’s too bad you seem to be stuck in some time warp, when people complained about having to see French on their Corn Flakes boxes. I thought those days were behind us.
I’ll grant you that Canada is not truly bilingual in practice, in the sense that ALL its citizens are able to function in both official languages. But wouldn’t it be a worthwhile goal to work towards? Maybe some day, when some of us resolve our anger management issues.
Try to get a hold of some Québecois singers like Steffie Shock, Pierre Lapointe, Ariane Moffatt, Marjo, Mes Aïeux, among many others. Céline Dion you must already know … and probably hate, poor girl.
“The analogy was over the top but that was clearly the point he was making.”
Sad we didn’t see such nuanced discussion when the CTF blog quoted (didn’t even orignate, mind you) a comment that compared (unfavourably) Che and Castro to Hitler and Himmler in terms of killing their countrymen.