Jeff Jedras was at the Liberal Party of Canada convention in Toronto;
“Rae compared Neville Chamberlain and the Munich Pact/appeasement of Nazi Germany with Stephen Harper’s surrender to Bush on softwood.”
Now, don’t expect any brouhaha in the media over this. There’s a difference between comparing the leader of our largest trading partner to Adolf Hitler, and say – a Conservative MP alluding to Supreme Court Justices as “playing God”. That difference is, of course, that Bob Rae is running for the Liberal leadership.
h/t Maz2 in the comments.
A reader emailed to advise that he’s phoned Rae’s office and was told they plan to issue a press release on this. Kinsella has Rae in his crosshairs, too.
“Canada’s low stumpage fees amount to a subsidy…”
Sorry, ET, but as my old professor would have said: ‘this response assumes facts not in evidence.’
Vote Liberal and get variety..
Bob rae will demostrate national bankruptcy.
Parish will provide Voodoo insights.
Fry will promote burning cross security lights.
Graham for ambassador to Hans Island.
There*s more to Bill, but can*t go there. TG
Low stumpage rates, from just prior to the USA imposing the import duty.
http://www.environmentprobe.org/enviroprobe/index.cfm?DSP=content&ContentID=1674
Iggy is a cheeful guy. Iggy promised to get the Drs and phds out of cabs and back into labs.
Guess he forgot which 13 years party policy put graduates in cabs in the first place. TG
Iggy is a cheerful guy. Iggy promised to get the Drs and phds out of cabs and back into labs.
Guess he forgot which 13 years party policy put graduates in cabs in the first place. TG
Tell the people in rural Sask to quit driving their semi truck grain haulers on these grid roads. They’re ruining them.
I find Rae’s sense of equivalence to be eccentric at best….we all know if the roles were reversed, Rae would never get a treaty with the US on anything as mundane as duck migration, let alone a major commodity… actually Rae would probably never get into the US to shop as he fits the guidelines of a terrorist under Patriot act II.
Shite wrangler Kinsella muses:
“I’d ask his campaign who Rae regards as Hitler, in that scenario, if they got back to me. Which they did not. This is so bloody depressing. And it’s reason #3,451 why a lot of us aren’t so involved with the Liberal Party of Canada anymore.”
Yes, Rae should have stuck to purple dinosaurs in mocking Harper’s religious faith or allude to a vacuous book about phantom racism in Harper’s home province to make his points so much more “genteel”.
Thanks, Marc in Calgary, for the URL. Yes facts are facts and indeed, Canada’s low stumpage fees amount to a subsidy. BC stumpage fees of 25 cents a cubic metre..and you sell that lot at up to $300 a cubic metre. Hmmm.
So, a whole truckload of lumber costs $9.00 for your ‘cutting fees’. And you get a massive return on that. No privately owned forest can afford to let its trees go for that sum, and for such a mark-up. Only in Canada?
Yes, our stumpage fees are a subsidy. The MSM, on the whole, kept this information out of sight and mind. Why? Because a key platform of the Liberal Party is always – the Evil USA. That hides the corruption of the Liberal Party.
Gabby in QC. No, bilingualism is not a viable goal to work towards. And please don’t move into ad hominem – i.e., ‘anger management’ or other fallacious tactics. Dissent to a policy doesn’t suggest emotional or intellectual problems. Dissent can be based on valid rational and empirically sound reasons.
The reason that bilingualism is not a viable goal to work towards, is that a nation cannot be run by ‘wouldn’t it be nice’. A nation has to be run by reality. To set up policies that are rooted in non-reality is not merely naive, is not merely utopian idealism, it is dangerous.
The reality is that 80% and more of Canadian life is not bilingual and never will be. The majority of citizens don’t use French at the corner store, on the bus, in the office. Therefore, to insist that such a requirement is necessary for that same individual to gain any employment in running the country sets up a closed elite set of bureaucrats. That can be compared with the requirement for Latin in Europe in the medieval period – which effectively closed governance to all except the landed elite. And so on..
The cost of making a citizenry what they are not – ie bilingual, is more than any nation can handle. You don’t become bilingual by classes in school – and then, never hearing, never using, that language. And why should citizens become bilingual – when they don’t use, hear that other language? Just because ‘wouldn’t it be nice’? I can think of a lot of other places to put the enormous costs of classes in French, schools in French up in the north, having to hire flight attendants to speak French on flights in Canada where no-one understands or uses French, the enormous costs of training civil servants – who then retire taking their ‘extra pension for bilingualism’ with them. And, the enormous costs of translation.
Again, a society, a nation, must be grounded in reality. Not in ‘wouldn’t it be nice’. No government can impose reality from the top-down – as Canada has tried to do with bilingualism. It’s one generation after such imposition – and it hasn’t worked. The result, however, is dangerous. A society whose governing class has become select and self-selective, closed and isolate. Whether such a class is in Iran, Iraq or China, or medieval Europe or Plato’s Philosopher-Kings – it’s dangerous for democracy.
As for your list of singers – sorry, I’m not into pop music (I prefer opera)…I actually had never heard Celine Dion..and once heard someone on the radio..and wondered, in awe, who such a dreadful screechy voice belonged to. Guess who.
Her voice, of course, has nothing to do with her astonishingly crass ‘wouldn’t it be nice’ lifestyle (..wouldn’t it be nice if my manager would leave his wife and marry me; wouldn’t it be nice if I could have a wedding in a tent; wouldn’t it be nice…and so on.
As usual Steve d remains silent when asked to backup his extremism. Run away little man.
enough
If Kinsella has 3500 reasons to not be involved with the Liberal party, then he’s surely in it for the money.
Just like all the others.
ET at May 11, 2006 09:54 AM said:
“Her voice, of course, has nothing to do with her astonishingly crass ‘wouldn’t it be nice’ lifestyle (..wouldn’t it be nice if my manager would leave his wife and marry me; wouldn’t it be nice if I could have a wedding in a tent; wouldn’t it be nice…and so on.”
For someone who sees “ad hominems” where there are none, you can sure fire a few.
A little idealism (wouldn’t it be nice if …) never killed anyone, but holding on to an inflexible POV that is immutable because it springs from you – that is far more dangerous than all the isms or dictatorships you have tried to associate my POV with.
BTW, German or Italian opera?
May 10, 2006 – I have heard from the Bob Rae campaign. Took a while, but I appreciate the call. Thanks.
I am told:
1. He did, in fact, compare Harper to Chamberlain.
2. He did, in fact, mention “Munich” but not the word “pact.”
Those are what some of us call a distinction without a difference. The meaning of his statement is plain – namely, the deal Harper did with Bush is analogous to the deal Chamberlain did with Hitler.
Do you think that analogy is appropriate? I sure don’t.
Do you think Bob Rae should apologize? I sure do.
Do you think he will? Don’t hold your breath.
kinsella
Et, Lee and Hank about. . . .
**I think blogs have to be more organized..
YES..
There is a lot of strength here among us and how do we leverage it?
Clearly, politicians did listen to us and the evidence is in the makeup of the CPC
Policy Declaration. 51 pages. March 19/2005.
Possible focus? A printed monthly or bi-monthly.
**Canada Blog News**
=====================
and online of course.
Something like Levant*s Western Standard but this would be National and gently right of center for wide acceptance.
Can you imagine, *Canada Blog News* on the stands next to The National Post, The Mop & Pail?
Carefully selected, edited and grouped pieces kept short and concise would slice into MSM territory in no time.
Nothing beats reading real news with the spin and fluff stripped away. Unless you happen to be an artsy- fartsy professor who revels in word tricks and spin.
Some young conservative is going to copyright the Canada Blog News and make great money.
Go, man go!
You just know that advertisers will flock to that enterprise with exactly the right name for attracting the affluent reader. TG
One of the things I like about Kate here at SDA is that she always challenges broadbrush statements and accusations and plattitudes of liberals to consider the actual words used by conservative thinkers and politicians in their statements, instead of the spin that the media and liberal opponents give to those statements and words.
So, again for what it’s worth (because I don’t think actual words or facts seem to be worth much in this hyperbolic conversation), here is what Rae actually said (Duffy has the video on CTV.ca):
“…it’s true for softwood lumber which is an issue that I’ve been working on for the last little while. Now Mr. Harper might like to say that’s a wonderful deal. Don’t forget, Neville Chamberlain came back from Munich, and held up a piece of paper, and said he had peace in our time. He was wrong. So is Mr. Harper. Really wrong.”
So very very clearly he is comparing Harper to Chamberlain the man who caved and tried to appease, not to Hitler, and the circumstances of “peace in our time” to a lumber dispute which is sure to rise again in a few years despite a signed written agreement.
Clearly a very poor choice of analogy, but also clearly no comparison to Hitler or the Nazis. Spin it as much as you want and I know you will. Not every reference to any European political dealings from 1933 to 1945 are meant as references to Nazism, but because of the spinners it is best to stay as far away from making any references to that whole decade as possible.
Not a smart political move from a political veteran. He should know that anyone can and many will distort your words if you give them any kind of chance. And Rae did.
Ted
Cerberus
millions of dead people.
a trade agreement regarding softwood.
“Bob” can’t tell the difference?
Why do people get wound up about some political hyperbole? After all, Rae was speaking to a partisan audience and he was showboating in order to get noticed.
If using a Nazi analogy is a sure sign that the argument is lost, why did so many people compare Sadaam to Hitler?
The reason no one is going after Rae for his remarks is because all the candidates have promised not to attack each other. Months ago I urged all conservatives to take out memberships in the lib party and try to get to be a delegate. Seems all 1500 have been chosen in Ont, and were at the convention. But, it might be more probable to be a delegate in AB or Sask. Seems most rural ridings have few members, and need lots to get the necessary 14 delegates to go to Montreal. Who pays for the expenses of delegates, themselves or the party or the leader they support. On Newman today one lib said that each candidate has to raise 1 million dollars, he said that is 200 donors of 5000 for each candidate. Guess my 10.00 isn’t needed. We the people will demand to know who is financing each campaign. Of course this info will be forthcoming as it is the libs who continually question who financed Harpers, even tho the contributors have been named. Libs can’t believe that hundreds of us gave small amounts under 200. dollars. The grassroots raised the money.
Liberal star search needs juicing up
The most shameless promotion of Himself as a Second Coming belongs to Ignatieff, who invokes the spirit of ’68 and election of Pierre Trudeau as a “seminal moment” that “happens once in a generation.” In other words, vote Mikey and get Trudeau Two
via nealenews
More from bcintoblog:
Iggy:
# Ignatieff said Canada needs to be a leader in “clean coal.” What, prey tell, is clean coal, besides a coal industry marketing buzzword? It’s like “healthy cigarettes” or “exploring for oil.”
Martha Who?:
# Martha Hall Findlay drew a gasp when she stated the obvious: Kyoto is flawed and we need to acknowledge that, but its still the best bilateral agreement we’ve got, and so we should work with it and build on it.
RE: Ignatieff said Canada needs to be a leader in clean coal.
I’ll wager good money that he knows next to nothing about coal mining.
The BC government has jumped in and out of the coal industry for years with no benefits from all their big ideas and much harm to areas like Prince Rupert and Elkford, IIRC.
If these so called political leaders would stay out of the way and maybe focus on building some decent highways or airports these vital industries would stand a much better chance of success.
ural
commodity: oil(is this a big enough commodity for you?)
royalty 1%
Venezuela used to get 1% royalty. Chavez took it up to 16% and now wants it at 33%. American oil is not happy, the CIA is working on this problem. I think assasination is the method they will use. Just an educated guess.
Under NAFTA we are required to send our oil to America. Not Mexico, they exempted oil from their free trade pact.
ural
commodity: oil(is this a big enough commodity for you?)
royalty 1%
Venezuela used to get 1% royalty. Chavez took it up to 16% and now wants it at 33%. American oil is not happy, the CIA is working on this problem. I think assasination is the method they will use. Just an educated guess.
Under NAFTA we are required to send our oil to America. Not Mexico, they exempted oil from their free trade pact.
steve d, does the d stand for dimwit, dumcoff or dickhead? I dont think you have any education that would fit your guess. What a DOLT!!!
Free
My,my, what does your analyst say about your rage? Where you abused as a child? I am so sorry.
steve d.,
“commodity: oil(is this a big enough commodity for you?)
royalty 1%
Venezuela used to get 1% royalty. Chavez took it up to 16% and now wants it at 33%. American oil is not happy, the CIA is working on this problem. I think assasination is the method they will use. Just an educated guess.
Under NAFTA we are required to send our oil to America. Not Mexico, they exempted oil from their free trade pact.”
Good one. Does your education also lead you to believe the CIA is coming after you?
ural
uh,hello? i am Canadian remember? America already owns us.
Steve D,
You are owned by your petty hatred and insecure jealousies. We are not required to send our oil to the US. We are required to sell our oil at market prices. A far cry.
The workers paradise of Venezuela will crumble in due time. Another tinpot dictatorship playing the socialist card. Illiterate peasants and ignorant fools believe the venom spewing from Chavez.
enough
Steve D,
They know where you live Stevie … they’re coming to get you. Hide Stevie, hide.
Enough
Those illiterate peasants and ignorant fools are 80% of the population. They were ignored by the Elite. Now Chavez acknowledges that the oil is their resource too. As a result, they are finally benefitting from their natural resources. I know you find this tragic but they love Chavez.
Don’t worry, American oil is not happy and you are correct they will take out Chavez as soon as they can. They already tried once. They took him out for 48 hours but the people wouldn’t stand for it so they released him. He is a tricky guy with the support of the masses so they have to be very careful in how they proceed. Especially since they have been exposed by Chavez.
Ural
You keep forgetting, I am Canadian. That means they already own me so why would they want to come and get someone they own?
Chavez: a tinpot dictator.
Steve D: A deluded fool off his meds.
Go read about what happened Steve. Voicing pleasure at his removal although diplomatically wrong is not taking him out. That is like saying your support for Lenin and friends makes you a mass murderer too.
enough
Enough
You obviously don’t know your America in South America history.
Here is an example of how America treats leftists.
In 1970 Salvatore Allende was elected the first socialist president of SA in Chile.
America’s reaction? Richard Nixon,president ordered the CIA to kill him. In his place they put a military dictatorship lead by Pinochet.
Pinochet is most famous for taking leftists out in helicopters over the ocean and dropping them in(bound of course).
Taking out Chavez is going to be brutal and thousands will die because he has a lot of supporters. I do believe it will happen. History tells me so.
Bush is white ,uptight and outta sight.He’s a tampon that’s what he is. He’s a Facist,Racist Homophobic white guy, Sounds like a Nazi to me. Maybe a Nazi light? We have our own little hitler,Harper. He’s a legend in his own mind. He has the personality of a slug. I hope Bush doesn’t piss off Russia And China too much over Iran. These are big guns who aren’t scared of the USA. This is not Iraq. Let sleeping dragons lie.
WOW these loonies are by far the sickest minds I have ever come across. Good thing the good old USA stands up and protects them every day.
So, Steve D.
Do you retract the statement that they tried to take him out once? Were you in fact wrong? Lying or exaggerating? And your response acknowleged that?
No. Of course not. You bring up 36 years ago. A different time.
And history tells you so. History tells me of asll the murders committed by leftist regimes. Lives ruined, ended, property nationalised and economies ruined. My history tells me that. Recent history too.
Mark my words. Chavez will be brutal. Chavez will kill and imprison his enemies. The Venezuelan economy will implode and Chavez will be responsible. Democracy in Venezuela will be ended. Chavez according to the Venezuelan constitution may not run another term. Any bets this is his final term?
enough
Not meaning to press the point, but Nixon was a Democrat in all but the name. So basically this is the left complaining about one of their own.
And what precisely is ok4ua smoking? If Bush is such a Nazi, will people at least stop in the very same breath try passing him off as a “pawn of the Zionist Conspiracy”? It’s like “American troops out of Iraq/American troops into Darfur”, or “Bush is a moron/Bush is a brilliantly evil electoral genius”… the left has to stop making both baseless accusations at the same time!