“Activities which degrade men or women through sexual stereotyping, or exploit the bodies of men, women, boys or girls solely for the purpose of attracting attention, are not permitted on Nathan Phillips Square.”
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More photos of the welcomed parade participants. Not work safe.
(Not lunch safe, for that matter.)
Hey, speaking of beauty pageants, Lukiwski’s in the final four on Hottest MP. (In case you hadn’t noticed.)
Perversion is in at TO City Hall:
perversion
n 1: a curve that reverses the direction of something; “the tendrils of the plant exhibited perversion”; “perversion also shows up in kinky telephone cords” 2: an aberrant sexual practice that is preferred to normal intercourse [syn: sexual perversion] 3: the action of perverting something (turning it to a wrong use); “it was a perversion of justice”
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Burkas are next for all females. The Taliban and the perverts are in charge.
Miss Universe unwelcome in her hometown?
When Canada wins the Miss Universe contest, it’s a pretty big story. Why then has the city of Toronto, her hometown, barred Miss Universe from opening a festival over concerns about sexual stereotyping?
Miss Universe, Natalie Glebova
Glebova was s…
WTF!!!
The City of Toronto forbids Miss Universe from participating in a big event due to concerns her presence will offend some people, but…
Why the feck did the goddamned Moonbat City of Toronto permit that bearded guy to walk down the street, COCK AND ALL (!!!) showing for everyone of ALL AGES TO SEE? WHERE WERE THE POLICE TO ARREST HIM AND ENFORCE THE LAW AGAINST HIM?! I WAS TAUGHT BY THE FECKING LEFT THAT WE ARE ALL EQUAL BEFORE THE LAW! APPARENTLY STRAIGHT PEOPLE ARE SECOND CLASS CITIZENS AND GAY PEOPLE ARE SUPERIOR!
I am so fecking bloody incensed!
Remember that straight women get arrested for simply taking off their tops on hot, humid days!
What say you, gay people reading what I’m writing?
Do you think you’re really so bloody special that you can DO WHATEVER THE HELL YOU WANT WHEREAS STRAIGHT PEOPLE CANNOT?
WHAT SAY YOU? ARE YOU SURE, NOW THAT YOU SEE THAT STRAIGHTS ARE INDUBITABLY DISCRIMINATED AGAINST RELATIVE TO YOU, THAT WE ARE NOT JUSTIFIED IN SPEAKING OUT AGAINST THIS INJUSTICE?
WILL YOU TELL YOUR PEOPLE ALREADY TO KEEP THEIR FECKING CLOTHES ON IN PUBLIC, FOR FECK’S SAKE?!
Human rights, my ASS!
BTW, Kate, I believe my anger is more than warranted. Please don’t turf me, ok? Thanks.
What’s sadder is that a generation of males is being raised to think that looking at Ms. Reid in a swimsuit makes them a misogynist but looking at the drag queen in the swim suit makes them enlightened and evolved.
I agree. I think it’s stupid to have a law that isn’t across the board applied. If there is nudity, the police should arrest the person, regardless of their orientation. Has anyone lodged a complaint with the police in TO, and if so, what was the reply?
Such a shame that, while we still have a by-law that says you can’t walk a cow down Yonge St., you can parade the likes of THAT one street over. Yowee.
I’m thinking that the by-law of which you speak is the same one that kept the Barenaked Ladies from playing in the square many years ago.
Time for a review, wouldn’t you say?
Of course I meant, the lovely Ms. Glebova in a swimsuit.
See, those Rainbow pictures depress me. Turn me into a dejected thinker that humans haven’t a chance in Hell to make this enterprise we’re embarked upon anywhere near a success. If I had had lunch, it certainly would have left me early, one way or another.
There is always a fringe group of Loonies but when it becomes our elected officials, then what?
To object to a celebration of a pretty, young, talented, sane woman who is fluent and intelligent coming to town to say Hi is scary. More scary because we elected them. What the heck is wrong with us?
The Rainbower’s can dance naked under the Moon all they want, as long as they stay away from civilization, who cares.
But how could these freaks in office get there.
Ask the Toronto police to arrest someone in a gay pride parade?
Surely you jest, Todd.
I know you don’t endorse this crap, nor do most of my gay friends. Still, i’t s pathetic that our politicians and media pretend they don’t know how low “gay pride” has sunk.
Todd asked:
“Has anyone lodged a complaint with the police in TO, and if so, what was the reply?”
I believe, Todd, if anyone tried to complain, the police would knock them to the floor, place a knee firmly on their head, shackle them hand and foot and throw them into a cold, dark hole as if they were Osama Fecking Bin Laden.
Remember, Svend Robinson succeeded in having it made law that you cannot say anything at all that’s not positive about gay people or else you’ll be prosecuted.
Such is the frightening danger of having a leftist fascist dictatorship as we have in Paul Martin’s Librano mob.
Kate has a good point. She says most of her gay friends do not endorse that sort of thing of which we’re speaking.
This reminds me of a post I made earlier about the good Muslims needing to take a stand against the terrorist Muslims.
I wonder: are the normal gay people afraid to tell the freaks who make them look bad to feck off? If I was one of the former, I would sure as feck tell the annoying naked fools to put their damned clothes back on or go to hell!
Hell, even my three-year-old niece no longer runs around bare-assed. Even SHE understands that it’s unacceptable!
And we’re talking about fully grown adults here!
I cannot help but go a bit nuts and say a few choice words about ridiculous nonsense like the stupid naked bearded guy walking down the street in defiance of the law and getting away with it thanks to the VLWC!
Stephen,
Actually, I’m all for pride parades and I’m even for people being able to go out scantilly clad. But I am against doing anything that is illegal such as being naked.
I was at the NYC pride parade this summer while on vacation and there were tons of people out having fun. Of all the people in the parade (and keep in mind that I left after 3 hours of watching it), there were maybe 4 or 5 in total which were naked. Now, even though it didn’t offend me, I think that if nudity in the streets was illegal, it should have been prosecuted.
Having said that, if you don’t want to take the chance of nudity (and some disgusting nudity at taht), just don’t go to watch the parade. It’s similar to turning off your TV when a show comes on that you don’t approve of.
Actually, Stephen and Todd, it is not illegal for women to go topless in Ontario. Remember Gwen Jacob?
And, while banning Miss Universe may be stupid political correctness gone overboard just like Barbara Hall banning the Barenaked Ladies band in the ’90s was mistakenly placed political correctness gone overboard (I say mistaken because she actually thought that there would be nudity because of the name of the band and later apologized for her stupidity), the parade route does not actually take place on City Hall property or Nathan Phillips Square, the lands to which the rule applies.
But Kate is otherwise correct about the reception of this in the gay community. There is a real struggle in the gay community over public displays like this. Most want to live and celebrate pretty ordinary lives. For others it is a conscious political statement: look at me, I have nothing to hide, I’m a full human just like you, there is nothing to be afraid of. And yes alas, for others it is an in-your-face kind of statement: i.e. you’ve rejected my lifestyle so I’m going to do what I can to force it in your face. If you’ve seen the parades over the years, there is less and less and less of that. As a friend put it to me, the more gays are accepted by society the more they feel attached and responsible to it.
Todd: that’s about the same number who go nude at the Toronto parade as well (not counting the scantily clad as nude of course).
WOOHOO!!! Thanks for the porn Kate 🙂
Actually, Todd, I do NOT bother to view the parades. I have absolutely nothing against people being gay if they so choose, but I personally see no need in the world for such parades, especially if straights are going to be forbidden to have one of their own.
So our major agreement is that breaking the law should be prosecuted, regardless of who’s doing the lawbreaking.
Most importantly, though, don’t you see the extreme unfairness, besides, between Miss Universe being banned and the bearded naked dumbass getting to do whatever the hell he feels like? Remember, this is not an isolated incident. This happens all over the country every day, mostly unreported by the MSM (no big surprise!).
Todd, so then according to your logic, shouldn’t the bureaucratic pencil necks in Toronto just turn their heads away or “change the channel” when Natalie Glebova, Miss Universe, shows up in a sash and tiara (fully dressed I’m sure)?
Well?
I do indeed remember the Gwen Jacob case. That was the only time I got to see bare boobies on the news. It was surreal!
But the toplessness is strictly controlled, whereas the guy with the dangling-all-over-the-place tallywhacker can do it in a provocative, sexually suggestive manner whereas the women cannot do it like that with their boobies.
So I maintain there is extreme unfairness here.
Besides, it is only in Ontario, as far as I know, that women are permitted a bit more equality to men in this respect.
Stephen — who said that you can’t have a ‘straight pride’ parade? Is there anyone preventing you from doing this? I believe there was one held in Regina a few years ago. You are welcome to organize one and have it.
Doug – I agree with you. They should allow Miss Universe to appear. It’s a stupid bureaucratic decision made for stupid reasons.
And, TB, it is Irrelevant what route the parade actually took. Irrelevant, notice the capital I?
The fact is that it is IN PUBLIC. Let’s not start splitting hairs like the leftist sophists.
Still damned unfair.
Todd, I haven’t heard of any straight pride parade in Regina. Again, no surprise- would the MSM treat it equally compared to its gay counterpart? Not a fecking chance!
Plus, I DID read about an attempt to have a straight pride parade in Yellowknife recently, but it was scratched due to leftist pressure, I believe.
And, just for the record, I personally do not wish to organize such a parade, but I sure hope some people do try. I doubt if it will be permitted by the leftofascists, though.
“Having said that, if you don’t want to take the chance of nudity (and some disgusting nudity at taht), just don’t go to watch the parade. It’s similar to turning off your TV when a show comes on that you don’t approve of.”
Not so Todd. Tv is in the privacy of your home. A parade is in the public view. By accident any person could be in the area where the parade is taking place should not be confronted with nudity.
Someone tried for a straight pride parade in Vancouver, when he came back the second time after being told no, he was told if he came back again they would charge him with inciting hatred, yes equal rights indeed
City Journal
Why Theo Van Gogh Was Murdered
The filmmaker focused on the shameful abuse of Muslim women by Muslim men in Europe.
Theodore Dalrymple
15 November 2004
http://www.city-journal.org/html/eon_11_15_04td.html
See! Demanding our equal rights as straights is deemed by the leftofascist moonies as “inciting hatred”!
Anyone have more info like that?
Stephen — there was a straight pride parade in Regina a few years back. I believe about 10 people or less were in it. The local media did cover it. You don’t expect that a parade of 10 people would be covered by the MSM as much as a parade with watchers going over 1/2 million, do you?
I also looked up the Yellowknife case. There was nothing about a parade mentioned. There was a Gay Pride Day motion passed and then a councillor asked for a Heterosexual Day to be passed. He withdrew his motion later. I don’t believe he had to — he chose to. Yes, there probably was pressure, but if he truly believed in the need for a Heterosexual day, he should have pursued it.
Here’s the details:
http://resist.ca/story/2005/6/1/112022/3617
Okay, that’s enough for now. If I don’t go have some dinny, I’ll be a blogging skeleton.
Later.
No offence MikeP, but you really couldn’t accidentally be in the vicinity of the Toronto Pride Parade. Yonge St. and Church St. are completely jammed up 5-10 people deep. There is no getting around downtown Toronto that day. 😉
And Stephen, not trying to split hairs. Kate quoted the prohibition rules for City Hall and the type of events permitted on its own public square. There is simply no similar rule for privately organized parades, even if it is the City that issues a route permit. Plus, I would be very surprised if a hetero pride parade received the kind of physically, police-enforced violence that Gay Pride Parades’ received in the early years. They convinced people over many years and it has become a generally very successful and accepted part of the City’s summer festival season. Frankly, I think that most of the people who go out to see the parade (by far, mostly heterosexuals) are there for the colour and spectacle of it (albeit, not the few nudes). Sure there would be opposition to your hetero pride parade, but really I think your biggest problem would be getting heteros interested.
Just for the record, June Rowlands was the mayor of Toronto during that Barenaked Ladies incident.
The Pride parade pictures are from 2002. Mel Lastman was mayor at that time. Things were out of control on the Pride front in those days.
That being said, Ms Universe should be welcomed with open arms to The Square. Hell, she’s pretty, smart, and she’s a Torontonian. The fact that she made the daft decision to validate herself in a beauty pageant shouldn’t be held against her.
PS, if you want to demonstrate your Straight Pride, you can always buy a t-shirt or ‘hoodie’ from http://straightpride.ca. It seems from their ‘About Us’ page though that they are more against gay marriage and civil unions than being proud of being straight.
MISS UNIVERSE IS NOT WELCOME…
…at the town square in Toronto because she has been deemed “degrading to men or women through sexual stereotyping,” but Kate at Small Dead Animals points out that Toronto has no problem with these folks prancing around the same gathering…
I dunno. If you don’t like gay pride parades, don’t go to them. What’s the big deal?
I don’t like sausages, saurkraut and beer, so I don’t go to Oktoberfest.
Ok… well… I lied about two of those. I do like sausages and saurkraut. Never mind.
Straight “pride” is funny that way, Todd. More about attack than pride.
Those awful straights, eh? Why, no gay would ever vandalize a church, or label someone as a homophobe or a racist or a Nazi because that person disagreed with him. Could never happen. Yes, we have so much to learn from those wise good gays.
TB, I’m afraid I must take issue with your words:
“Straight “pride” is funny that way, Todd. More about attack than pride.”
That sounds like an incitement of hatred against heterosexuals. I hope not, however, as since I’m not a lefty extremist I will not automatically assume it is as such.
Perhaps you’d like to explain what you meant. Of course, it could just be an attempt at funny. But I didn’t see any humor in it.
I’m glad to see you’re back, “Lickmuffin”. I was afraid I had so offended you in that exchange a while back that you may have quit SDA.
If I had insulted you, I apologize. I had no intention of doing so.
After all, it’s ok to disagree. Isn’t that the Canadian way? Hmm. Perhaps it once was, but with the way things are going in society today, I’m not so sure. I’m thinking of the Svend Robinson law forbidding anyone from saying anything remotely negative about sexual minorities or even any of their behaviors.
A funny thing: I was almost ready to, with irony, of course, suggest that you were inciting hatred of German people, of whom I am one by ancestry (Black Forest, actually). Then you spoiled it by saying you were kidding about not liking sauerkraut and beer. 🙂
Welcome back, LM.
And, LM, you mentioned sausages. Funny that you did. There’s a picture of a sausage taken at the parade. Man, all this fast, hot discussion all because of a tiny, pathetic-looking old sausage!
What next? Over to ya, Kate!
BTW, LM, I wasn’t making an “ad hominem” wrt the sausage. It has nothing to do with you. Just being funny!
The idolatry of perversion is another totem of the Left. Homosexuality is an idolatry of perversion. Gay marriage advocacy is a cult of perversion. Pornography is an idolatry of perversion. Much of television, movies, and the literary culture of the Leftist elite in print, are nothing more than a cleverly masked promotion of their Marxist cult (that is to say, masked much like actors of ancient Greek drama).
The Left is properly identified with a ‘confederacy of deceivers (and perverts) that, to obtain dominion over men in this present world, endeavor, by obscure and erroneous doctrines.’
The Left is obsessed with erecting idols, images and symbols to hide their agenda(s), as well as to expand their congregation in these cults of perversion…
http://www.freerepublic.com/~sirfrancisdashwood/
Hey Stephen:
Believe it or not, I am with you on this one. This is beyond belief!
Just a thought people( and I mean people in a non-gender specific, non-anything sort of way), would Toronto Silly Hall have banned Miss Thailand from opening the Tastes of Thailand festival???
Oh, BTW, I prefer the term Procreation Challenged as opposed to Procreation Disabled. Must be PC about PC. Arrrgh!
Stephen,
Below find a part of 319, the hate laws in Canada:
319. (1) Every one who, by communicating statements in any public place, incites hatred against any identifiable group where such incitement is likely to lead to a breach of the peace is guilty of
(a) an indictable offence and is liable to imprisonment for a term not exceeding two years; or
(b) an offence punishable on summary conviction.
Wilful promotion of hatred
(2) Every one who, by communicating statements, other than in private conversation, wilfully promotes hatred against any identifiable group is guilty of
(a) an indictable offence and is liable to imprisonment for a term not exceeding two years; or
(b) an offence punishable on summary conviction.
Defences
(3) No person shall be convicted of an offence under subsection (2)
(a) if he establishes that the statements communicated were true;
(b) if, in good faith, he expressed or attempted to establish by argument an opinion on a religious subject;
(c) if the statements were relevant to any subject of public interest, the discussion of which was for the public benefit, and if on reasonable grounds he believed them to be true; or
(d) if, in good faith, he intended to point out, for the purpose of removal, matters producing or tending to produce feelings of hatred toward an identifiable group in Canada.
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So basically I read this as preserving religious freedom to make statements, unless those religious statements are like “God tells us to go kill gays”.
What you call the “Svend Robinson law” (C-250, formerly C-415), is simply this:
1. Subsection 318(4) of the Criminal Code is replaced by the following:
Definition of “identifiable group”
(4) In this section, “identifiable group” means any section of the public distinguished by colour, race, religion, ethnic origin or sexual orientation .
Just so everyone can see the details.
Toronto apology for banning Miss Universe from city hall
Last updated Jul 19 2005 04:55 PM EDT
CBC News
Mayor David Miller issued an apology Tuesday to Miss Universe after the city barred her from opening a festival over concerns about sexual stereotyping
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SDA leads the pack…..
Awesome post Kate: I’ve locked horns with you on some other issues, but your approach in this case is hard hitting and exquisit. Your juxtaposition using photos and logic is perfect!
Maz2, funny you mentioned “erecting”… remember there’s an awful picture of something to which that word could potentially apply. Of course, not all sausages can… in which case, ya gotta feel sorry for the stupid bearded owner of said sausage…
Go ahead. It’s ok to laugh. There’s no bad blood around here. Some of us just like to make an important point by getting attention… like myself, but the champion is Kate… take a bow, K!
Hey, how about that! Top moonbat David Miller, fascist dictator of Toranna, just apologized for his poopheaded discrimination against a straight woman!
Mr. Miller must have been alerted to our little debate!
If so, hey, WE WHO BLOG ARE MORE RELEVANT AND POWERFUL THAN THE MSM!
HEAR US ROAR!
Old Mother: I believe it.
After all, simply disagreeing on one thing doesn’t mean we’ll disagree on everything, right?
BTW, did you find the little furry woofy guy a bone? I just gotta know! I do love doggies!
Do y’all understand why there’s such a disconnect between Toronto and the ROC? Who needs ’em, right? What a humourless pit that city is (ex-Torontonian BTW). But remember, the Barenaked Ladies were fully clothed but equally unappreciated in that armpit of the world.