Isn’t this just lovely:
Reviled by many, defended by few, Canada’s most notorious female inmate won’t even be greeted by her family when she is released in less than a month. But CTV News has learned Karla Homolka does have some support in high places.
Homolka made her first public appearance in more than a decade last week at a court hearing in Joliette, Que. After two days of testimony, a Quebec judge imposed restrictions on Homolka’s movements for a year after her release from prison.
Liberal Senator Michel Biron, 71, was present in the Joliette, Que. courthouse last week. He sat beside Homolka’s lawyer during the hearing in a show of support for the convicted killer.
According to witnesses, Biron exchanged a slight smile with Homolka.
It’s a shame that there were no Senators sitting with the French, Mahaffy, and Doe families to speak out in favour of protecting their constitutional rights. You know, the right to not be drugged, raped, sodomized, beaten, and then murdered. But I guess that’s not as important as making sure that the people who do these things don’t get their widdle feelings hurt.
Ah, whatever. I’ve been following the coffee house conversations about Ms. Teale (what Homolka calls herself now), and the truth is that she’s a goner. There are enough people willing to cross the line and apply a little ‘retroactive justice’ that I don’t expect her to last a year before somebody plants her head first in some farmer’s field.
I remember Paul Bernardo used to call himself Paul Teale. And now Karla is using that name for herself. Hmmmm. A wistful look back at better days, I wonder?
Outrage?
These things haven’t happened in a vacuum.
If this were happening in the US, I would not be surprised nor unsympathetic, if an unknown hit man/victim relative was not prepared to take her out at the earliest opportunity. The whole case was mishandled, her lawyer witheld crucial evidence until she cut a deal. She was never charged [as far as I remember] with her sister’s murder. [Could she be arrested and tried for that, now?]. That laywer was never charged as far as I know. If I was the father of one of those murdered girls, I doubt I would have been able to see this woman walk free while my daughter was in the ground.
What about the victims? Do you suggest that they now recieve financial compensations on top of having the perp pay for their crimes? Or is it only if they don’t recieve the punishment that you percieve they should have, that they should be further berated on top of, after their release? That this berating should take place as a lesson to those who do not yet know that what took place was illegal in the first place? Will this make the victims feel any better, a lawyer or someone hired to insult the ex-con upon their release?
Karla got a plea deal, its done all the time to nail bigger fish. Sometimes it works, sometimes it doesn’t. To me its just a fact of life. And yes, she will end up found somewhere dead caused by some lower iq’ed socio-path looking for some noteriety. One socio/psycho-path killing another.
🙂 majere
Just another sad episode in the “Cirque du Senat.”
ahhhhh to be a Liberal and especially a Liberal Senator. The truest expression of Liberal values which are Canadian values.
Makes me want to puke
TK: Paul and Karla adopted the Teale surname as an act of homage to another murderer that they both admired. If Karla really was reformed you’d think the first thing she would have done was ask to have her f***ing last name changed again.
Roger: You’re assuming that I care for the finer points of Canada’s legal system. I don’t. In the world I want to live in people who rape and kill other people’s kids get fed feet first through a woodchipper, and that’s ALL. The ONLY thing that a plea arrangement would get you is a faster trip through the chipper than normal.
Roger did you even read the post? Sean was commenting on the fact that a liberal senator was standing in support of a convicted killer. There were no senators standing up for the victims at the impact hearings or when they were putting restrictions on Homolka.
It would appear that you feel that Homolka has done her time and as such, has redeemed herself. One has to wonder if you’d consider having her live next door to you…
Apparently, Karla Teal,( or whatever she now calls herself), is now considering applying for a PARDON on her release. (This closes and seals her record, so that she can apply for- among other things- a government flunky job.)
If the government grants her that pardon, then that government should be voted out.
It’s good to see criminals stick together.
I just hope whoever does it has a varmint and gun license. Maybe then we can properly redefine varmint.
Now if anyone can tell me where that comes from�
Roger, I doubt you’d need a psychopath to do it, as in her case a humanist has grounds to pull the trigger.
She is a monster that has destroyed the lives of children for her own vile pleasure, and right now sets an intolerable precedent for how we deal with the monsters among us.
That at the end should read:
She is a monster that has fed off the torture and death of children for her own vile pleasures, and right now sets an intolerable precedent for how we deal with the monsters among us.
Hi Richard, yes I did read the entire post several times. I asked what do you want, some government appointed designate to sit with victims in all Court cases? The Senetors’ choice of sitting with the Perp is his choice and I respect other peoples choices as long as its not in my backyard. As far as showing support for restrictions on Homolka, sorry, a plea deal is a plea deal which is a deal. Blame the Judiciary, not the government for not haveing some designate there to show support. If the government was serious, they would have reneged on the deal fought the Courts, disbarred the lawyers and kept her in prison. Also, I never said Karla is redeemed, only that she has upheld her end of the deal and now its time for us to uphold are end of the deal, right or wrong. As far as people being my neighbours, no-one can control that, so I stay out of their backyard, frontyard, livingroom, bedroom, garden and they stay out of mine. I also Sean, believe that Capital Punishment should be part of our Justice system for all socio/psycho-paths. I hope I have made myself a little clearer 🙂 majere
lol
MoonBats say: “Not in my backyard”
Conservatives say: “Not in any backyard”
MoonBats say: “financial compensation”
Conservatives say: “justice”
MoonBats say: “It’s all ok, because they made a deal!”
Conservatives say: “BULLSHIT!”
Well I am looking around the table and don’t see any “moonbats” so it must be me.
A few corrections, see if I get this right.
The Conservatives do not say, “not in my backyard” or I would have cannabis growing there for my soverign use. As it stands now, they can come into my backyard after standing there stairing over my fence.
I asked,”what do you want??? – financial compensation for all victims.
Referring to the deal, I stated,”right or wrong” a deal is a deal.
If a deal with the Judiciary which represents both the people and the government cannot be trusted, what do we have?
Any clearer now? 🙂 majere
PS: is a moonbat a libertarian socialist conservative?
“One has to wonder if you’d consider having her live next door to you…”
Would I consider having her living next door to me. Not voluntarily, but, unlike some, I wouldbn’t be hiding under the bed.
We are a nation ruled by criminals, at the top (the Libranos and their ilk, includes departments, sub apartments etc. who steal and defraud, lie and cheat) and at the bottom( child molesters, drug dealers, gangs, murderers, thieves); in the middle are the tax – paying citizens who finance both levels of crime. The senator, supporting Karla probably dosn’t want to be the pot calling the kettle black.
socialist and conservative are diametricly opposed…
Moonbats are people who can’t figure that out.
Hi Richard, ref your moonbats. Then what is a Conservative – small government
Socialist – social programs
Libertarian – more individual soverignty
Added up is a moonbat? A person who wants smaller government with same Canadian social services with more individual soverignty.
Are you saying that a Conservative is against present Canadian social policies. Or do you mean, socialism such as Sweden. If I misslead you above, I am sorry, my socialism just includes present day Canadian social policies. I have read over the Conservatives Montreal Policy Convention and did not find where they are against present day social policies. 🙂 majere
News flash, ( via AOL)- Karla wants to work in the field of LAW, after she gets her pardon. Makes sense- she could make a ‘killing’, (no pun intended) showing similar cases how to ‘work the system’!
Sean>>In the world I want to live in people who rape and kill other people’s kids get fed feet first through a woodchipper, and that’s ALL. The ONLY thing that a plea arrangement would get you is a faster trip through the chipper than normal.
Wow, great plan. Think of the taxpayers money we sould have saved compensating Donald Marshall, David Milgard, and Guy Paul Morin if only we had taken your sage advice.
You should run on that platform, you know to help the cause and show folks that the conservatives are not dangerous loonies and all.
Cheers,
Naked Ape
Roger; You don’t get it and that’s amusing. You can’t have a smaller government while maintaining the current programs. That’s how they’re diametricaly opposed.
Conservative = smaller government, proven structure, individual rights within said structure
socialist = big government, high taxes, no individual responsibility rather responsibility to the state, just plain wrong (my own opinion)
libertarian = generally equated with socialisim, no structure, relitivistic morality, (although the moonbats have tried to change it,)still associated with anarchy.
None of these things go with the other. Like I said, moonbats are people who can’t figure that out.
Re Montreal policy: Policy isin’t conservative. Was a centrist policy put forward in order to eek a few extra votes out of Ontari-ari-o… They sold out in order to appear to be mainstream (which in real terms means left leaning)
I wonder if the naked ape is somehow associated with that lib-left princess monkey chickie that hangs out at the blahg…
ahh, so all the Harper Conservative talk about, “less government means dollar savings that can be passed on to the Provinces for social ills and lower taxes”, is a Harper lie?
That Harper and his supporters are confused?
That the “centralist” Policy Convention was/is just to hide this “hidden agenda” to fool Ontario?
That no savings from a smaller government can/is to be passed on?
That the Conservatives are not for more individual Rights and therefore do not want to attract such libertarians looking for such?
That this definition of Libertarian is wrong and you are right?
2 entries found for libertarian.
lib�er�tar�i�an Audio pronunciation of “libertarian” ( P ) Pronunciation Key (lbr-t�r-n)
n.
1. One who advocates maximizing individual rights and minimizing the role of the state.
2. One who believes in free will.
That one cannot state they are socialistic with the strict meaning of maintaining ones present social structure with a small conservative government?
That all Conservatives are against present day social policies that Canada has now?
cheers 🙂 majere
richard don’t know to many american libertarians I guess. we is all very well armed for one thing…and socialist/anarchist? in a pig’s eye. nothing wrong though, with pooling the citizens money top keep services like roads and health care and a standing army and decent national parks cheap- a well fed poor person is one that won’t cut yer throat at night, and ultimately that is more asthetically pleasing than shoving folks into a chipper, no matter how fun it might seem. all this stuff needs to be done all efficient like-chipper outflow can’t make license plates fer one thing. shades of gray and vanilla in yer black and white world…I heard yer deal described as “authoritarian mind set”, rather than the somewhat more resonable “authoritative” personality. god help ya canadian goofball conservatives ya’ll probably admire our little prince bush and his evil minions. just wait kids, till he comes fer yer stuff…then ya’ll be singin outta the other side of yer alimentery tract.
From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia.
(Redirected from Libertarian)
The term libertarian is also claimed by libertarian socialism (also called left libertarianism). The article Libertarianism (metaphysics) deals with a conception of free will. See also civil libertarian.
Libertarianism is a political philosophy that holds that individuals should be allowed complete freedom of action as long as they do not infringe on the freedom of others. This is usually taken by libertarians to mean that no one may initiate coercion, which they define as the use of physical force, the threat of such, or the use of fraud to prevent individuals from having wilful use of their person or property. For libertarians, a “voluntary” action is one not influenced by coercion.
Libertarians believe that governments should be held to the same moral standards as the individuals of which they are composed. Thus, they oppose government initiation of force, even if it is supported by a democratic majority. Libertarians believe that if individuals are not initiating coercion against others then government should leave them in peace. As a result, they oppose prohibition of “victimless crimes.” This opposition to coercion extends into the economic realm, as they generally oppose taxation and government interference in business activities (other than to forbid coercion). Those who do not oppose taxation support it only to the extent that no more taxes are levied than they believe necessary to maximize the protection of individual liberty. Libertarians aim to reduce the size and scope of government. To the extent that libertarians advocate any government at all, its functions tend to be limited to protecting civil liberties and economic liberties (by protecting private property and a free market) through a police force, a military (with no conscription), and courts. Anarcho-capitalist libertarians, on the other hand, maintain that these institutions should be privately owned, operated, and funded.
While libertarianism’s influence has grown in the past few decades, most libertarians see their ultimate vision for society as far from realized
The term “libertarianism” in the above sense has been in widespread use only since the 1950s. Originally, it referred to a variant of anarchist socialism. After the French Government banned anarchism, some French anarchists adopted libertaire as an alternative term. It was first used in print in 1857 by French anarchist Joseph Dejacque in a letter to Pierre-Joseph Proudhon from New Orleans. Dejacque also published a periodical in New York called “Le Libertaire” (The Libertarian) from 1858 to 1861.[2] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Libertarianism#endnote_Nettlau)
This usage spread to English, but for the most part, English-speaking anarchists choose to call themselves anarchists, individualist anarchists, or anarcho-syndicalists, (they may subscribe to certain forms of socialism called libertarian socialism). Often, when distinguishing between the different uses of the term, the word libertarian is qualified as in “left-libertarian” or “right-libertarian.”
As far as the policy goes: It’s not a lie. It’s completely legit. My point is that they sold out to the moderates… the truly conservative policies were left off the platform.
Hello Richard; I am a Libertarian social conservative. I have values that fit my political desires from different pigeon holed terms as described above. If you chose to pigeon hole me further that is your right, but is wrong in describing me personally. The political terms I use describe me perfectly whether your mind can comprehend that or not. goodbye till next time sweetie.
Now regarding Karla…….. someone is giving her 12 months before she is done in, me I say 6 months. 🙂 majere
like I said: diametricly opposed and moonbats don’t get it…
Government of Canada Government of Canada
news release
Invaluable source of information for youth in Centre-du-Qu�bec region
Date:March 11, 2003
NICOLET, QUEBEC�The Honourable Michel Biron, Senator, on behalf of the Honourable Jane Stewart, Minister of Human Resources Development Canada, today announced funding of $22,342 for Promotion Centre-du-Qu�bec.
The funding will enable Promotion Centre-du-Qu�bec to carry out the project Agendas-contacts. By the end of May 2003, 3000 special planners will be produced. They will then be distributed to youth in the Centre-du-Qu�bec region. The planners will contain a wide array of useful information on various labour market programs, services and organizations, as well as advice on job search techniques and information on the labour market.
The special planners will give young people the chance to enter a contest on the Web site Accro des r�gions, which provides access to targeted periodical information on jobs, business opportunities, labour force needs, and activities and services in the region or regions of their choice.
�The special planners will help young people develop a feeling of belonging to their region,� said Senator Biron. �They will also raise young people�s awareness of the local job market and suggest ways for them to learn more about it. It is an excellent way for these young people to get started on their careers.�
This project supports the Government of Canada�s Youth Employment Strategy to help youth make the transition from school to work and get their first job, in partnership with businesses, non governmental organizations, communities and other levels of government. The Strategy offers a three-pronged approach to addressing youth employment issues: it provides work experience opportunities for unemployed or underemployed youth and students; provides access to relevant information on Canada�s labour market; and facilitates access to learning.
Through the Youth Awareness program, the Government of Canada provides funding for labour market awareness projects. These projects, presented by employers, employer associations, communities and organizations, aim to facilitate labour market adjustment while further preparing youth to join the labour force.
Funding for this project was provided for in the February 2003 federal Budget.
This project has been reviewed to ensure compliance with the Department�s administration of its grant and contribution programs.
PROJECT SUMMARY
– Government of Canada funding:
$22,342 through the Youth Awareness program
– Objective: produce documents that provide information on labour market related services in the Centre-du-Qu�bec region
For information:
Monique Simard
Human Resources Development Canada
(819) 447-4150 ext. 242
For more information on programs and services under the Government of Canada�s Youth Employment Strategy, call the Youth Info Line at 1 800 935-5555, or visit Human Resources Development Canada�s Web site at http://www.youth.gc.ca
$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$
Biron appointed by Jeancula Chretien.
Biron, travelling man, with bucks, aka vote buying, on behalf of Jane ex-minister/bag lady for HRDC.
Preparing youth to join the labour force;
Socialist jargon for vote for Librano$.
The Honourable Michel Biron, Senator, on your payroll.
Apparently Richard is correct in definition only. His actuary brain might be good for following linear thinking and parroting but heaven help him if he has to expand his thoughts beyond strict narrow definitions and answere questions which he has not, as I put many to him, and since he cannot, he falls back onto his immature name calling within a narrow strict definition. His comprehension and expansion of comprehension is lacking to the point where I feel I am dealing with someone in grade nine who thinks they know everything because they can parrot a few definitions all the while calling people a made up name if they do not agree. Richard, did your imagine-fairy friend tell you the name “moonbat” or did you come up with it all on your own? 🙂 majere
From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia.
Moonbat is a political epithet coined in 2002 by Perry de Havilland of “The Libertarian Samizdata,” a libertarian weblog. It was originally a play on the last name of George Monbiot, a columnist for The Guardian, but now the term enjoys great currency in the libertarian blogosphere as an all-purpose insult for modern liberals, peace protestors, and other ideological opponents. It is similar to the epithets Feminazi or Idiotarian.
According to de Haviland, a moonbat is “someone on the extreme edge of whatever their -ism happens to be.” Adriana Cronin defines the term as “someone who sacrifices sanity for the sake of consistency.” This term has long been used to describe protesters on the political Left, and is sometimes used to describe protesters on the political Right, such as those protesting the Terri Schiavo case
Have I ever mentioned that when moonbats get cornered they attack the opponent instead of the argument? Well, they do… my little imagine-fairy friend told me so!
As a side note, I’ll bet dollars to donuts that my new friend goes back to his blog and whines about being challanged and the fact that things are going to hell at SDA because kate’s away… just like he did here: http://www.blogigo.co.uk/majere/entry/37485
Suck it up princess!
“As a side note, I’ll bet dollars to donuts that my new friend goes back to his blog and whines about being challanged and the fact that things are going to hell at SDA because kate’s away…”
Yeah, well, it’s not like this is a paying gig so expect all complaints to get routed to /dev/null
“Wow, great plan. Think of the taxpayers money we sould have saved compensating Donald Marshall, David Milgard, and Guy Paul Morin if only we had taken your sage advice.”
Two words: reasonable doubt. I’m only in favour of feeding people through the chipper when there is 100% rock solid proof of their guilt (like Paul and Karla’s home movie collection).
You’d look less silly if you asked me to elaborate on my position first, rather than just assuming that it fits your opinion of me.
I was trolling around to learn more about this guy and this is what I found. I guess he doesn’t like kittens & puppies either:
Friday, November 7, 2003: Yesterday 23 Liberal Senators voted against their own government�s bill � Bill C-10(b). As a result, perpetrators like those who stabbed and tortured a �stray� cat called Kensington for 20 minutes, then skinned her alive on video cannot be charged for animal cruelty under current animal cruelty laws!
Because she was not an �owned� animal, the law which has not been amended for 110 years, provides no protection for animals like Kensington.
Apparently 23 Liberal Senators think the existing animal cruelty legislation which was passed in the late 1800s and which does not recognize animal sentience, is OK for the 21st Century.
Apparently 23 Liberal Senators think that unless an animal is �owned�, the animal deserves no protection from cruelty and abuse.
http://www.wildlifeontario.ca/content/news/pressrelease/external/2003-07-11-BillC-10b.html
Ahh Richard, your forgetting something. You first labeled me through lack of comprehension in individual diversity after you could not answere my questions. I only pointed that out, then mentioned your imaginary friend. I am sorry you cannot understand the multiplicities of politics. As far as moonbats go, guess who attacked first? Couple this with your simplistic reasoning and you acted like a cornered moonbat. Have a good evening 🙂 majere
Wow, I think tomorrow’s going to be a moonbat outreach day. This individual needs to be studied further…
oh, Sean, you guys have been doing a great job filling in for Kate. Don’t let the moonbats convince you otherwise…
The only deal she should have been offerred is “do you want to go in the woodchipper feet first or head first?”.
Personally, I’d cooperate to get the head first choice.
Richard Evans – Wikipedia is citing ever fool that has ever claimed the term “libertarian”. See http://www.libertarian.ca/ (Canadian Party) and http://www.lp.org/ (American Party) for the contemporary and well understood meaning.
Thank you for the links. I’ve checked them both out and my position still stands… The essence of the libertarians is “moral relativisim”. That’s the new PC term for “anarchy”. Now, I’d like to know how an individual can claim to be a socialist/conservative/libertarian when each of those is essentially a polar opposite of the other. (I know that use of the term “polar” implies “2” but it’s not my delusion)
I understand exactly what you mean by “polar”… here’s a quick quiz that I think sums it up nicely: http://www.theadvocates.org/quiz.html
(there’s a nice graph after that shows where a person falls on the political landscape).
Without knowing “roger m roeder”‘s views, I would guess that he/she would be classified as a “centrist” by the above quiz, meaning that they have adopted bits and pieces of each of socialist/conservative/libertarian but as a whole each is watered down to such a degree that they can claim all three simultaneously (although “moderate” would probably be a better term).
And I don’t think there are many libertarians that would describe themselves as “moral relativists” or “anarchists”. “Moral relativism” is something invented by the Left for the purpose of maximizing collectivism. And “Anarchism” (contrary to common usage) is kind of a ‘post-communism’ kind of thing. While libertarians tend to be extreme individualists.
It’s kind of like calling himself a korean/caucasian/negro…
good lord evans you do go on a bit doncha. didja spen the whole day on this project? I advise you to try getting layed sometime instead of spending the day online sputtering…