39 Replies to “Things You’re Gonna See At The CBC”

  1. I hate to think of the concessions that Trudeau would make in the scenario described. Notwithstanding the perpetual maunderings of the political-commentary class in Canada, there does not have to be a “balance-of-power” arrangement with a minority government. Liberals, for instance, could suddenly rediscover financial sanity and propose legislation that the Conservatives could support. Minority government could work on a case-by-case basis for quite a while, with each initiative being a collaboration of different parties. (Not saying that’s a good thing.)

    1. We’ve been here before….think PET/Broadbent and the later NEP. Say no more. UDI for Alberta. Nothing less. Those “wet” Redmonton voters can punt themselves to Ontario or BC if their noses get out of joint. Takers all.

  2. I believe it is a custom in the Westminster parliamentary system that in the event of no clear winner in an election the incumbant government gets first chance to cobble together a coalition. Failing that the next party with the most seats will be called upon.

    Doesn’t sound fair but we may see this exact scenario play out.

    1. Unimpeachably correct. The PM remains in office until resignation or dismissal. Some recent examples: Clark in BC in 2017, Miller in Ontario in 1985, and Smallwood in Newfoundland in 1971. Nationally, King in 1925. Not exactly a “radical idea with no precedent”, and not that far different from a government returned with a minority, but the most seats, choosing to meet Parliament (Macdonald in 1872, Diefenbaker in 1962, Trudeau in 1972). A minority House can then toss out the sitting government in the first session, or let it govern.

    2. That may or may not be the case, but I suspect that unless the Cons get an absolute majority, all the left wing parties will get together to form a coalition to defeat them. Scheer has to get an absolute majority or he won’t be PM.

  3. It boggles the mind to see what a significant number of Canadians are willing to swallow in order to keep receiving what they think is “free stuff”. Their Liberal vote indicates a strong similarity of their values and ethics with that of Justin Trudeau’s and Gerald Butts.

  4. They are all clueless and are fighting for the title, the house and the jet or jets, as the case may be. And of course le PENSION!

  5. Please visit 338 and inform yourself. The two parties are basically tied in the polls but the Liberals are still somewhat favored to win (although that number is trending badly).

    I still don’t understand why the Liberals and CPC don’t just prop each other up in the event of minority. They are actually closer to each other than the others.

    1. Harper governed in minority without any coalition or party agreement; he just dared the Opposition to defeat him.
      When they finally did, he won a majority. Unless CPC wins at least 140 seats, the Liberals will try to form government.
      Even if Scheer gets into Parliament as PM, we would likely see a takedown as happened in BC, with the lefties ruling.
      Then in addition to selling us out to Paris and their other cronies, they can sell us out to the Dippers, NDP and Bloc traitors.
      No matter the cost to the body politic, Liberals make out fine, they get power and its largesse, so they will go ahead.
      Then you would see what many here covet, a truly “right wing” party, in beautiful BC, currently bereft of individualist voices.
      Hint: why not end it all and uptick Scheer a few points to a majority? Voters are moving to him anyway as Grits flinch.

        1. Lol at the notion that the PPC is going to win even 2. I suspect it will be 0 and the party will cease to exist by the next election.

    2. They cannot pretend to support each other, it will destroy the illusion of democratic choice. Remember Washington Generals and Harlem Globetrotters. People still pay to see the game even though they know it’s fiction.

      1. Nobody goes to a Harlem Globetrotters show to “to see the game”. They pay to see the show.

    3. “I still don’t understand why the Liberals and CPC don’t just prop each other up in the event of minority.”

      Because then you would get the scenario where the New Reform movement begets another more conservative alternative. Duh!
      How do you think they can play Rope-a-Dope with conservative voters otherwise?
      I have no illusions about the Scheer CPC being genuine conservatives. They aren’t. However, Trudeau has Got to Go. Worst PM EVER.

      1. Actually The CPC under Harper did vote with the Liberals on at least one budget. History is too hard for many people.
        But when power politics invade, all that goes away. It’s easy to be virtuous when power is not in danger, or possible.
        Check out the DeMarxists, a full slate of legislation they should be considering in the House, at a standstill over power plays.

  6. I think the gambit of losers cobbling together to hang on to power despite losing the election was never the intent of the Westminster parliamentary system. Honor demands the loser step down

    3. Well, that gambit is alive and well in the British Parliament at present. But the remainers are completely detached rom the political reality of the country; there will be hell to pay if the UK remains. Even BoJo must be careful not to rehash Treasonous May’s surrendere deal with a Northern Ireland ifx.

  7. Gerald Butt’s CBC continues this afternoon to push the threat against Blackie during his Doug Ford is Hitler tour in Toronto. Ralphie The Nazi Hunter Goodale will have to arrest anyone who opposes Great Leader.

  8. I’ve said it before and I’ll say it again…a Liberal minority coalition with any combination of NDP, Green or Bloc is a gift to Alberta and Saskatchewan separatists. The only thing all those 4 federal parties agree on is that Alberta and Saskatchewan’s fossil fuel economy should be destroyed. And, if Alberta and Saskatchewan go full Conservative, with no government representation from those two provinces slated for economic destruction.

    At that point, the main argument against separation, Alberta will be landlocked, falls apart. That coalition will not only agree to landlock Alberta oil, they will also agree on legislation to shut the industry down from Ottawa, without ever consulting Albertans. Which would be the better choice:

    1) to be an independent landlocked country with the chance of making agreements with the US for access to ports and activate UN agreements signed by Canada that require Canada to give landlocked nations trade rights.

    2) Remain a Canadian province and be still be landlocked but also have your main economy devastated by your own country while they also take billions of dollars per year in equalization and have no rights or means to prevent the destruction or exploitation.

    I wonder if Alberta and Saskatchewan could look into being a temporary US protectorate if they separate from Canada?

    1. Canada ruled from the east but milked from the west is a non starter no matter who wins. That gig must end.
      As well as the vestigial CBC TV. Let it raise its own money, like PBS.
      I think people who want Grits out should shout this from the rooftops – the only way to remove Trudeau is a CPC majority win.
      We’re going to see quite a slime show against Scheer, who day by day catches on with Canadians, a kind of slow burn.
      It may even rival the ruthlessness of their DeMarxist cousins; while that is doubtful we shall see.

        1. Yes, agreed wholeheartedly. Harper’s grand fusion of conservatives and libertarians, neither electable standalone.
          How people think that is the same as the Grit top down crony statism show continues to bemuse.

    2. Canada abrogated its international illegal drug treaties when it legalized pot. It is already abundantly clear that eastern and Atlantic Canada will not respect Western Canadians democratic aspirations.

    3. If Alberta and Saskatchewan declare independence in the fallout from this federal election, while it’s true we’re “landlocked” it’s also true that eastern Canada’s rails that pass through our newly independent country, will very likely be blockaded until pipeline access in both directions are negotiated. About 1 week.
      BC’s port city of Vancouver will be unable to forward any incoming shipments by rail to Old Canada, again, pipeline access in both directions can be negotiated in days.

      Or, Old Canada can build a rail through northern BC through Yukon and North West Territory into Manitoba to connect, good luck with that.
      Or, negotiate with the USA to have all BC – Old Canada rail traffic routed through the USA.

      There’s no reason that Alberta & Saskatchewan should be negotiating from a position of weakness. Old Canada is dependent upon crappy Chinese imports the same as any other 1st world country is.

      Sure, some in BC won’t like it. Quebec won’t like it.
      But it isn’t a game of who likes what or who doesn’t like this.
      It’s a hard negotiation.

      Hard negotiations are not for soft people.

      No doubt that the USA will recognize the new nation in their midst.
      Old Canada doesn’t have the balls to stop that.

      Separation is the answer. Whoever wins the election, there will be another election in a few months, or 4 years. If the Liberals win that election, we’ll be back to where we are now, with a federal gov’t that will do anything it can to destroy the free spirit of the western provinces.
      Some day, this will happen.

  9. The only way off the Slave Ship Canada for Sask. and Alberta is a binding referendum for a UDI. All the parties in Canada are just varying shades of Communism. Go UDI Alberta and create your own country, hopefully the People would decide in favor of the Swiss model. Were the politicians are nobodies and the citizens make all important decisions.

  10. If anyone believed that we lived in a true democracy, those illusions are dashed completely.

    Realistically, Scheer will end up with a minority government and Justin will hang on to his seat. He will be pouty and difficult about defeat, as Hillary Clinton was, but that won’t be the end of his troubles. The rest of the Liberals, realising how lucky they were to barely hang onto their seats, will turf China’s hand-puppet and pick someone else. The talking-heads will wonder how their prince could have lost, after which they will concede that maybe, just maybe, he was a problem all along.

  12. abtrapper
    I believe it is a custom in the Westminster parliamentary system that in the event of no clear winner in an election the incumbant government gets first chance to cobble together a coalition

    That’s right:

    // It also bears reminding that regardless of the outcome, the current government remains the government until they resign. That means that even if they don’t win the most seats in a hung parliament, they can test the confidence of the Chamber, and no, they don’t need the permission of the Governor General to do so. //

    https://looniepolitics.com/dont-count-your-coalitions-before-they-hatch/
    Don’t count your coalitions before they hatch

  13. Well then.
    Shall I dispense with the obvious?
    I shall.
    In the last couple of days I’ve witnessed some behaviour from the media particularly the CBC that reinforces the bias that they are the media arm of the LPC.
    Without going into specific details, let’s just assume this and move to the next observation which is that these actions (legal suit against CPC, running speculative bs rumours about Peter McKay leadership run, and now speculation about liberal minority) it reflects that there is a certain amount of desperation eminating from the CBC. Now with my first premise is that it’s assumed the CBC is part of the liberal campaign it can also be assumed that they would be privy to what the atmosphere within the liberal war room actually is.
    Therefore if the CBC has now openly suggested a scenario of a liberal minority is the likely outcome of the election we can also presume that this is currently the best they can hope for.
    Now why is this important?
    It’s important because the liberal team (aka CBC) just admitted they won’t be holding on to the majority of seats. Now this is a sea change from the beginning of the campaign when they where still acting like the liberals would win this thing. At this rate with just over a week to go it appears the trend is going down for the liberals.
    So what to expect?
    I expect that Frank Graves will have his org continue to over sample liberals to keep the poll numbers rosy enough to keep liberal voters from being discouraged and bolting to another choice. Then also expect the liberals to start with the “lend us your vote” line to the NDP and Green Party voters.
    Also expect the CBC to be working overtime to find a case of extremists within the CPC.
    That’s my theory anyway.
    What they missed during the campaign, well actually since 2016, is that they misrepresented those voters that are sick of politics and politicians that promise and then only seem to help those inside government.
    They are pissed off not undecided.
    They want some retribution.
    They want someone to go to Ottawa and apply the “new rules” to the ones that have been imposing them on the “deplorables” for some time unabated.
    If things go the way they did on November 2016, I look forward to watching some serious Butt hurt on October 21.
    Time for the ROC to send a big FU to Ottawa.

    1. In addition, has anyone else noticed that the CBC poll tracker continuously has the Liberals in the lead, no matter how many polls show them plummeting and no matter how many polls show the Conservatives either holding steady or rising?

  14. Canada abrogated its international illegal drug treaties when it legalized pot. It is already abundantly clear that eastern and Atlantic Canada will not respect Western Canadians democratic aspirations.

  15. Hopefully trudeau drinks a liter of milk when he takes the podium announcing his continuation as PM of canaduh.

  16. “With the Liberals currently behind the Conservatives on the CBC Poll Tracker…”

    That was yesterday. Today the Liberals are back out front. The coalition possibilities are now changing daily.

    The coalition possibilities have to be understood as 6 parties representing 4 different ideologies.

    The LPC, NDP and GPC are the Liberal Globalists
    The CPC are the Conservative Globalists
    The BQ are the Liberal Nationalists
    The PPC are the Conservative Nationalists

    A Liberal-NDP-Green coalition would have much more internal ideological cohesion than any other possible formation. A government like this could last 4 years and pass a lot of legislation, all of it bad.

    A theoretical CPC-BQ-PPC alliance would only be united in its opposition to status quo Liberal Globalism, and divided on everything else. A government like this probably wouldn’t last long and couldn’t get much done at all, good or bad.

    Both prospective coalitions are hovering around the 170 mark. An unstable parliament followed by early elections might be the best bet.

  17. well I just voted today in the advance poll.
    PPC as I promised.
    I genuinely hope to continue to do so until and unless.

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