Art Of The Fail

Shiny Pony 228 Comments

“He really kind of stabbed us in the back”.

Update: Some good points being made below in the comments, be sure to check those out as well.

228 Replies to “Art Of The Fail”

  1. Dear Canadian People,

    Please forgive me for coming up there and slapping around your man-child of a PM until his eyebrows fell off. It was necessary to instill a sense of seriousness about the situation I believe he was missing. Although this tough-love I am raining down on Canada may seem harsh now, ultimately it will make your nation stronger, more prosperous and most importantly more competitive. The costs of your commie socialist overhead and lack of productivity can no longer be borne by the American taxpayer and you must learn to become independent and free so you can walk beside me, not behind me.

    So I will soon see you on the world stage hopefully meeting with the new President of Canada Ezra Levant representing the new Republic of Canada!

    I am Making Canada Great Again!

    Sincerely,
    President Donald J. Trump

    1. Lol!

      Btw, Ezra would make a heck of a lot better pm than that useless puppet we have now.

      2. And that’s still very true when you realise Ezra would not be a good PM. Justin Castreau isn’t setting the bar very high.

        1. The job is now open to any dope smokin snowboarder, and substitute drama teacher in the land… that is a very low bar.

  2. But … but … but?

    What about climate change and pervert rights?

    The guy’s an effing idiot. Too bad he will be re-elected. Note – The only reason the US allowed Canada to have 250% tariffs on dairy products is a counter-balance on the huge national subsidies on agriculture in the US that are brutally higher than in Canada. We protect the only important agricultural industry in Quebec and allow farmers in the rest of Canada to compete with subsidized American products. If Americans want open access, they are going to have to drop $15 billion of agricultural subsidies.

    1. Good point. It’s all too easy for players in the trade debate to conveniently ignore their own internal machinations in various industries. Time to cast light on the full picture—and if/when we do, heads will explode.

    2. And of course Canada will cease and desist in it’s Chinese type manipulation of it’s currency and index the Canadian dollar at par with the American dollar. This is the most destructive and insidious underhanded subsidy of all.

      1. Canada? Manipulates currency? It had to keep up to the US that tripled its money supply in the Obama years in a race for the bottom.

        I am not sure that there is any reason Trump takes an interest in Canada other than bluster. Canada has virtually no manufacturing and the US has a trade surplus.

        1. “And that’s a big change from the past when the trade balance was clearly in Canada’s favor, no matter which methodology was used. The C$18.8 billion surplus estimated by Statistics Canada for 2016 is the smallest since 1994, the year Nafta came into effect. Since then, Canada’s cumulative surpluses have totaled C$1.2 trillion, the Statistics Canada figures show.”

          https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2017-12-12/trump-may-actually-be-right-about-the-trade-deficit-with-canada

          I calculate 900 billion of which 300 is acceptable.

          (does not include all the serial defense under-funding.)

    3. “…huge national subsidies on agriculture in the US that are brutally higher than in Canada.”
      I agree. At one point you could go to a website and by entering a farmer’s name or enter the name of a county in the US and see a listing of the 3 or 4 different subsidies a farmer got. I checked some from North Dakota and Minnesota on equivalent farm sizes to ours and these guys got more in subsidies that our farm grossed in sales. And, we had to pay the same for, in Canadian dollars, our inputs and machinery costs.

      1. All countries subsidize their agricultural sector. Canada is no exception.
        The business community has nothing comparable in tax write offs juxtaposed with agriculture.
        That’s just how it is.
        Is the US the most heavily subsidized?
        Yes. It is also the largest. And what country would jepordize it’s food supply.

        1. Did you miss the part about reciprocity? Everybody removes their tariffs.
          No blame, no shame. Just do it.
          Instead we get epic countervail tariffs. BTW, who gets the dough?
          Size doesn’t matter, the US economy is twice the size of China’s.
          The world benefits from US unencumbered international trade, it seeded the Asian Tigers.
          Tit for tat arguments are pointless.
          As for jeopardizing food supply? Yes, we must protect our butter at all costs. No guns, just butter.
          Are you serious? Canada? The breadbasket of the world?

          1. “Fair trade” Trump will remove American tariffs? ya right.
            The US congress will have to ratify any deal and US agriculture subsidies will not be removed.

        2. “All countries subsidize their agricultural sector. Canada is no exception.”

          Canadian farm subsidies are virtually nothing.
          What tax write-offs does agriculture get that others don’t? Don’t make up shit.

        3. “Is the US the most heavily subsidized?” The last I read, about ten years ago, Europe’s subsidies were even higher.

    4. If Americans want open access, they are going to have to drop $15 billion of agricultural subsidies.

      Betcha’ they don’t…

    5. It’s called negotiating. And mindshare. Trump does not play ‘fair’. He will exaggerate, confuse, belittle, bluster, and yes, even lie, in a negotiation to achieve a result. People like Trudeau are outmatched. And the hostile press is either too clueless to see what’s going on in front of their noses, or knows, but lies themselves because they dont like Trump on “principle”.

      1. “He will exaggerate, confuse, belittle, bluster, and yes, even lie, in a negotiation to achieve a result.”

        And then he’ll stick his contractor with the bill.

    6. Trump wants No Tariffs Barrier Subsidy FREE all products. BUT Trudeau would loose his Quebec votes…so we as CANADIANS know which way Trudeau is going NO NAFTA deal. BUT you see HE wants Canadians and Americans to think DONALD did it!! Just in time Trudeau thinks he is LIKE his DAD PIERRE!!! In some ways he is…HE’S AND IDIOT thinking we Canadians don’t know what is going on!!!! “VOTE OUT THE LIE BRAL GOV’T IN 2019″…”VOTE OUT THE LIE BRAL GOV’T IN 2019!!!”

    7. Which is exactly what Trump proposed … NO tariffs … for anyone in the G7. Complete, total, and unfettered Trade. Seems as though 6 of the G7 don’t EVER want to compete with the American behemoth.

    8. “If Americans want open access, they are going to have to drop $15 billion of agricultural subsidies.”

      …you seem to be missing the part about America spending

      Canada will have to up it’s game….or get better cows

    9. Sure right after the Europeans drop their agricultural subsidies. America is insisting on a global approach to free and fair trade, while you and others cherry pick issues or fail to recognize any global context in this obvious problem. But most of all, the free ride is over with subsidies and tariffs. That’s a good thing.

      1. No it isn’t. America and particularly Trump has always loved its subsidies and tariffs. That doesn’t get fixed with more tariffs.

        1. Yes. Just like repealing rules and regulations means nothing if you pass other rules and regulations.

          If 19 tariffs are reduced or removed, and one is applied, is that better or worse for the economy? That’s what Trump is doing on the legislative side. If he gets similar results on the trade front then the economy will shift another gear.

    10. Those subsidizes should be eaten literally by the Canadian consumer. Let them buy our stuff for us. UNILATERAL FREE TRADE NOW.

      Even if ‘defensive’ tariffs are justified, that’s no reason to have supply management.

    11. “. ..The only reason the US allowed Canada to have 250% tariffs on dairy products is a counter-balance on the huge national subsidies on agriculture in the US that are brutally higher than in Canada.”

      The “ 250% “ tariff represented the will of a government. Can you cite any documentation to show these were “ cleared “ with the US government, somehow, before their imposition? Also, you state US subsidies are massively higher but please give some specifics. And are you counting the ethanol program, which has driven up world prices for cereals, benefiting Canadian cereal producers as much as it has American farmers.

      Sounds more like you’re just in a troll-y mood.

  3. When you read the communique Trudeau did indeed stab the US in the back. I expect that we will pay a price for Trudeau’s grade nine antics.

    Maria Bartiromo is apparently going to have former PM Harper on her show this morning. Even Senator Lindsey Graham is saying Trudeau stabbed the US in the back.

    1. Yes, but before he stabbed the US in the back, he stabbed Canada in the front, and he’s still doing it.

  4. Young Trudeau is such a schoolboy Putz!
    Sadly, about 35% of the Canadian electorate gets a wet-on over him and that, coupled with their anti-American bias, inspires his continuing goofball behaviors.

  5. Any independent country tries to deal from strength. Repeated Canadian administrations have failed to establish a diversified economy. Quite simply a $1 of Canadian GDP does not equal a $1 of USA GDP. Canada is a price taker in a huge % of the economy. Americans are valued added producers. Harper, to his credit, was doing more to diversify the Canadian economy than had been seen in many decades. Harper was a threat to the status quo, particularly the USA, Russia and OPEC. I am convinced foreign money was put to work to ensure his defeat.

    Investment in a diversified economy takes money and time for which Canadian governments have not seriously attempted. The concept of delayed consumption for future benefit does not fly for ‘progressive’ governments who not only deficit finance but encourage their citizens to do the same. Turdeau’s closing G7 comments were self serving and incredibly naive.

    The Americans can crash the Canadian economy with the stroke of a pen. Obviously that national security threat has never really resonated in Ottawa. The idea that a foreign country would have that ability and not garner a serious response is treasonous. The lack of a serious national strategy for diversifying the economy is treasonous. The standard in Canada is ongoing debate over progressive themes and spending on social programs that cannot be paid for. This is why Canada will not likely survive as a united country once the full impact of excessive debt is realized.

    1. CT, you just articulated above the “pay grade” of the Turd, and a few in here as well. I will now mention allen aSS and the bovine blower Undork, and their side dick strapon.

    3. “The concept of delayed consumption for future benefit does not fly for ‘progressive’ governments…”

      That’s pretty much it, CT. And it damned well doesn’t fly for the me/now portion of the electorate (>60 % in Canada, < 50% US) that continually votes them in.

    5. “I am convinced foreign money was put to work to ensure his defeat. ”

      Yes, and there have been several articles in the msm lately and on Rebel, that Tides and Leadnow actively campaigned against Harper and are bragging that they “won” 25 seats for Trudeau.

      2. Tides is a money-laundering operation of the radical American left.

        Let’s hope Trump advises the Treasury to tax all such pass-through at 100%, and require audited financial statements, as any public corporation must do.

    6. I believe we just saw a truckload of California money meddling in BC pipeline politics…West Coast liberals with infinitely more cash than brains.

  6. Just listening to former PM Harper on Fox with Maria Bartiromo. Man do I miss him! So measured and well spoken.

  7. Ha, I wouldn’t doubt more people will see that interview on SDA than the dying CNN, itself.

    Good job by Kudlow, being interviewed on CNN is just like being publicly interrogated by the Democrats.

    Trudeau got caught doing what Canadian Liberals do all the time, saying one thing to appease one group then a contrary story to appease their next audience. They are shameless.

    1. Worst kept “secret” in politics is how Libs and Dippers are infamous for promising Quebec one thing, then promising the ROC the opposite.

      The media is shamelessly complicit in the charade.

  8. Compare the statements of Trump and Supertwit:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hHOaf6lgyTo

    Frankly, Rainbow Sparkle Pony has no idea of how to negotiate anything. He’s so inept that he couldn’t run a lemonade stand. (Psst! Juthtin! Negotiating involves such things as bidding, asking, and haggling.)

    1. Actually, Trudeau and his ilk shut down lemonade stands rather than run them.

      “Eliza Andrews, 7, and her sister Adela, 5, set up a lemonade stand to earn money for summer camp. They had been selling lemonade for $1 a glass from their front lawn for a couple of weeks, but then, like true entrepreneurs, they decided to change the location in order to increase their sales.”

      That’s where they went afoul of Canada’s bureaucrats. They set up shop on federal land, which means they needed a permit. Some passerby apparently snitched, because before too long, an agent working for the National Capital Commission showed up and shut them down.”

      https://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2016/07/ottawa_bureaucrats_shut_down_childrens_lemonade_stand.html

      1. I heard about that. The Rebel’s Menzoid had an item about it a few days ago.

        Wee Juthtin, champion of free enterprise….

  12. BTW, Trump has an incredible gift for tagging people with labels that stick.

    I couldn’t imagine two better words to sum up our current PM than “dishonest” and “weak”. Nailed him!

    1. I think he is trial ballooning something along the lines of ‘bad faith Justin’.

      I don’t believe that he just immaturely makes up nicknames on the spot like some would have you believe. They are far too effective, and I can not recall anyone surviving a nickname from Trump.

  13. Funny, I don’t hear Trump complaining about Canada “dumping” oil in the US at $20/bbl below world price.

    Trump bragged about approving the Keystone pipeline, but has construction started? Nope, and it won’t start. Why? Me thinks someone reminded Donald “fair trade” Trump that Americans buy Canadian oil at low prices and then sell it at high prices.
    So 3 million bbls/day x 20/bbl = 60 million a day for US interests. or over $20 BILLION a year.

    Sounds like the most successful CIA operation in history (American money sponsoring/encouraging all the “useful idiots” in the environmental organisations to protest pipelines)

    1. I suggest you do a little more research on the oil industry. About 30 different grades of crude produced with varying value in the refining process. WTI is not a universal indicator of value. There are crudes in the Sask Bakken that demand more than WTI price. What does it cost to get Syncrude product to refiners in Texas?

      Canadian heavy crude will never claim WTI price. That said it is a national security issue that Canada builds pipeline access to world markets. It is the most obvious way to balance the differential the industry receives. Much of the energy discount experience in Canada is self inflicted. Not just oil but LNG as well. While Canada dither about West coast LNG the Americans have built a world class export business in LNG. Americans have been shipping millions of boe/day into USA refineries at Anacortes for over 50 years.

      1. “Americans have been shipping millions of boe/day into USA refineries at Anacortes for over 50 years.”

        But it is irresponsible for Canada to ship its oil through the same Strait of Juan De Fuca, where the US ships theirs?

      2. CT thanks for the observation. Am very familiar with the oil industry. Have seen lots of oil and lots of natural gas chasing too little pipeline capacity in both Canada and several US states so I am well aware of what can happen to the price.
        Yes my numbers were simplistic but the magnitude is real. Even if it was 10 billion a year that is still a lot of money.
        You are correct a lot of the damage is self inflicted in Canada, but I suspect we both know there is lots of US funded opposition to Canadian pipelines, LNG projects, etc.

      3. When separating the sand from the crude tar everything is refined and separated and once the sand is removed they recombine and mix it all back together so it can be sent to the USA to be re-refined in the USA at dirt cheap crude prices.

        USA owns the tar sands companies.

        Albertans and Canada get screwed…

        1. “When separating the sand from the crude tar everything is refined and separated and once the sand is removed they recombine and mix it all back together so it can be sent to the USA to be re-refined in the USA at dirt cheap crude prices.”

          Nice fiction!

          1. I don’t get paid to tell the truth!

            Do you get paid to lie?

            It’s the truth…

            I work there…

      4. US Gulf coast refineries have been optimized for the refining of heavy crude. It would be a big win win for Canadian producers and US refineries to get the Keystone XL done ASAP.

    2. I explained to all you clueless political types how commodities work in a previous thread?

      And it was not a CIA operation, it was billionaire rail barons and oil tycoons laundering payoffs through Tides.

    3. There’s also the fact that more expensive steel, due to those idiotic tariffs, will make pipelines harder to build.

  14. “Trump bragged about approving the Keystone pipeline, but has construction started? Nope, and it won’t start”

    ___________________________________

    Actually, the construction surveys for Keystone XL began in Montana about two weeks ago… ;D

    1. Glad to hear the construction surveys started but…
      Pipeline surveys are relatively cheap (I’ve commissioned lots). What I am waiting for is pipe going into the ground.
      I note that Nebraska approved an alternative route from the one being asked for. This means additional consultation, new law suits, possibly new environmental assessment(s), and most assuredly delays.
      In my opinion, this pipeline won’t be built. Hopefully I’m wrong

      1. “We” just bought a pipeline with money we ain’t got. It won’t service the China market & I’ve posted previously why that is so. How much pipe has been laid to date on the TransMountain expansion? That question should be asked every day in the HoC by A. Scheer but he really couldn’t care. He’s bought & paid for by anti western Canada Quebec & their dairy interests & also believes in Glow Ball Warmening. He just needs 6 years in to collect that pension. Elected by “$15 & 5 minute conservatives”, he is now a trade liability. I hope everyone posting here has moved their investing to the US markets. Ours are done like turkey.

        Trump’s “messaging” with this country is directed at China. Even the tariffs are. They are watching every move, every word. Frankly, I’m watching how central Canaduh is handling all this & it doesn’t look promising. Juvenile thinking & antics & insufferable, arrogant, smugness. The kind that brought us the Crow Rate, CWB, NEP & now our NEP 2 on pipelines. Pipeline blocking may have been US sourced, but it wasn’t stopped by our anti American folks in central/eastern Canada, or even in the originating province, even when it was amply pointed out to them by Vivian Krause. Harper could have fixed that, but he didn’t. I don’t want him back. Kontrol must stay with Central Kontrol at any cost. Funny, they mustn’t like that Equalization money they rip out of western Canada anymore, not even the non oil part.

        Central Canada & the Wet Coast have no Plan B. Canada is going to cease to be & soon folks, prepare yourselves.

  15. It’s like an ice-dance with Twitter King and Selfie Princess circling each other with their cellphones levelled.

  16. Remember this event:
    1965 – At the height of the Vietnam War, Prime Minister Lester Pearson visited President Lyndon Johnson at the White House. Pearson gave a scathing speech one night about the war, then appeared at the White House the next day to confront a livid Johnson. As Martin describes it, LBJ grabbed Pearson by the shirt collar, lifted the prime minister off the floor and shouted, “You pissed on my rug!”

  17. Canada’s incredibly shrinking Prime Minister just shrunk a bit (LOT!!) more on the world stage. How incredibly stupid do you have to be to say the things Trudeau just said about POTUS?!?!?! I don’t care what you personally think of the leader of another country you just don’t say what Trudeau said about him or her. Just not done. Unfortunately for Canada Trudeau has damaged Canada and its trade and negotiation position irreparably until Trudeau and the Liberals are replaced. Of course Trump also knows Trudeau’s Achilles heel. The dairy boards in Quebec and the automotive industry in Ontario. Trump shuts down the auto industry in Ontario until Canada gives up its dairy boards at which time Trudeau will be looking for work as a part time substitute drama teacher again. Maybe then he will learn how to do stage makeup and get his eyebrows stuck on a little better.

  18. Stupid chrystia is now quoting mr hitler and making veiled comparisons to Trump.
    Bongo’s inner circle is comprised of navel picking American haters that can’t see a big picture. What’s in this approach for Canada?
    The US has generously shared it’s wealth with Canada. All the while we have refused to share in proportional defense costs and threatened security with immigration policies and pursued a path of socialism that has been soft on communist despots.
    All that has changed and we now are required to put on our big boy pants.

  20. The miscalculator in chief’s greatest feat yet, as he joins the shrill chorus of anything goes against Trump because …

    He tweets. Meanwhile our weasel makes nice then pisses off everybody, and CNN says that’s what Trump does?

    I see, it’s OK to act against every Trump move, because he wasn’t nice enough following the attacks against him from day one? Sure, makes sense. Go with that, it’s what “Canadians want.”

  21. Time to bunker down. Shit is getting serious now.

    This does not end well for Canada. Trump is damned angry to say the least, and he has no qualms about letting the world know that there are costs for betrayal of good faith in personal discussions, as Trump has characterized what upsets him. The costs, it will be clear to all very soon, revolve around our trade deal.

    Yeah, dairy markets are now much lower on the list of industries of concern. Perhaps Trudeau willfully threw the auto industry under the bus, but I am more inclined to believe that he just did not believe he would jeopardize it. He is just not that smart.

    1. “He is just not that smart.” THAT smart? Juthtin is a freakin’ moron! ‘Smart’ doesn’t enter the picture. 😉

  22. Canada will pay a steep price for Trudeaus comments.
    Larry Kudlow clearly articulates Trumps position. If no apology is forthcoming from Zoolander today Canada will be made an example of to the G7, North Korea and the rest of the world.

    Kim Jong Un was begging on his knees for a restart to the summit.
    Trudeau better be wearing kneepads under his pantsuit or Trump will mop the floor with his eyebrow.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hHOaf6lgyTo

  23. Woodporter. I like your comment.
    One additional thought. Do you think Americans will thank Trump when they discover that the cost of a new car goes up?
    I don’t know by 10% or 25%? I’ll bet they’ll be really joyful.

    1. Um, Joe…..cars are made in the US as well………..

      Only certain models are “made” in Canada, actually more like assembled, with many parts made elsewhere and shipped to Canaderp.

      The likely outcome, is that the auto companies shift operations to the US. Juthtin Soy Boy really stepped in it this time.

      1. Dan.
        If foreign cars pay 10% duty, do you think US car companies will keep their car prices low? They will raise them.

        even if they don’t raise prices the big labor unions will ask for higher wages, knowing that car prices can go up cause the competition is 10% more expensive

        1. Or they won’t raise the prices and sell more of them. Do you whistle when you go past graveyards too?

          1. Joey – glad to hear US car companies won’t raise prices, nor will autoworker unions not ask for higher wages once there is a lack of competition and car companies are more vulnerable to labour pressure.

        2. If foreign cars go up in price by 10 percent, US companies won’t raise prices, they will just sell more cars at (now lower) prices, and fewer foreign cars will be sold.

          Dude do you even economics?

      2. “cars are made in the US as well”

        That doesn’t change the fact that Turmp’s idiotic tariffs would make them more expensive.

        1. In the short run perhaps. But in the long run, he is in a position to curb stomp team Justine into submission and then graciously lift the tariffs when he gets the concessions he expects. And there ain’t a damn thing you and idiots like you can do about it, of course you can pretend that it would be the outcome you want but we both know you’re just a libtard without a shred of credibility.

    2. I love all this chatter about the price of cars going up, because of tariffs on Canadian automotive manufacturing. We have this thing called Detroit, I understand you can see it from Canada. And Japan has this thing called Japan. And the Japanese weren’t showing Trump their ass this weekend. LOL

  24. Fodder for the easily amused… both Trump and Trudeau are actors.

    Thesis plus antithesis equals synthesis. Classic communist strategy…two wings of the same bird.

    1. Huh? I’m surprised that you aren’t here PRAISING MY President for his COMPLETE AND TOTAL FREE TRADE proposal? No tariffs … no subsidies … for anyone or anything in the G7. Isn’t this what you preach? You should be thrilled.

      1. And US farmers are to be thrilled at losing untold billions in subsidies of which Canadian farmers get a small fraction. Not likely.

  25. Awwww Trump has his feelings hurt awwww poor Trumpy.

    What comes around goes around I guess?

    2. My how cavalier. Just watch the economic punishment start. The US doesn’t need Canada, but our economy NEEDS the US, particularly Ontario. Maybe in TruDerp’s addled mind, Ontario doesn’t matter, it’s now Ford country.

      So, Truderp has offended BC, Alberta, Sask,
      Ontario, and parts of Qbec.

      Think he can get re-elected by throwing so much of Canada under the bus, derpy?

      1. “but our economy NEEDS the US, particularly Ontario”
        This is true, but I don’t think the current Liberal government undestands that. I believe their agenda has been and continues to be aligning Canada with the EU, and UN interests. Globalism pushes this, but another factor is the Canadian historical antagonism to the US because of their size and our economic dependency. Unfortunately, deciding to align with countries other than the US will undermine our economy. It is time for Canada to grow up. Oddly, we used to be grown ups, but seem to have lost that around the time of Trudeau I, at which point we became petulant whiners.

        1. If you look at Pee-air and his writing, it is clear that he really wanted to recreate medeival serfdom with himself as the ruling class. There are of course complex details, but that was the general aim.

        1. Sadly, no they don’t. Not if the Prom Minister is going to be a dick all the time.

          2. US imports 4 million bpd from Canada
            and exports 0.8 million bpd to Canada
            at least according to US government. Which Trump would deny – he’d make up his own numbers.

        2. No, Canada oil is not needed. North Dakota and West Texas shale make Canadian oil a “nice to have”, not a need.

          1. That is exactly what is happening. Canadian oil fills niche markets. The US is now a net exporter if gas and oil.

        3. Oh you pathetic idiot, no they can get by without Canadian oil. They have been building up their production capacity for a while now while Canada has been doing our best to restrict ours. So no, they are getting more and more energy independent and we are increasingly dependent on them willing to buy our oil.

    3. Are you retarded Allan?
      Seriously. This is about posturing to North Kotea and the rest of the USA trading partners.
      I think Trump was waiting to make an example of Trudeau and Canada.
      “Holy sh$t!!! If Trump will impose punitive tariffs and strongarm his best trading partner what will he do to us?”

      1. You’re close,IMHO. The Chinese bought Canada as a hedge domestically originally and, have now discovered that Canada can replace NK as leverage against the US. My prediction is for Trans Mountain to wind up under Chinese control.

    4. Oh Alan, don’t be silly. Trump has a thick skin. It is more a strategy to point out Trudeau’s clumsy handling of the situation. Trudeau most certainly should have discussed some of these issues in private with Trump, but since he is not in charge, he probably did not know what he would be allowed to say. Criticizing Trump after the discussion are over was I believe an attempt to play to Canadians, and diplomatically speaking it was a cheap shot. Trudeau probably felt comfortable doing this because he was surrounded by globalist pals who also hate Trump. Ultimately it is poor judgement on Trudeau’s part.

    5. Yeah … MY President should just remain quiet and take his Trudeau Medicine Hat. Smh

    6. “Awwww Trump has his feelings hurt awwww poor Trumpy.
      What comes around goes around I guess?”
      absolutely……and Canada’s government is going to find out…being hip new and trendy and trashing Trump don’t work

    7. Once again you are a clueless libshit that believes the hype. If Trump was really a narcissist like you people claim, he would protect his ego rather than inviting the constant attacks. Trump knows damn well you idiots will act as though it is about hurt feelings, that is just another one of his tools to get what he really wants.

      1. “If Trump was really a narcissist like you people claim, he would protect his ego rather than inviting the constant attacks”

        BAHAHAHHA that’s not how thin-skinned mentally ill narcissists work.

        It’s hilarious how insecure and touchy you people are. No wonder you identify with Tangerine Dream.

        1. BAHAHAHHA that’s not how thin-skinned mentally ill narcissists work.

          It’s hilarious how insecure and touchy you people are. No wonder you identify with Tangerine Dream.

          As a long time reader/lurker; you just described how I see you to a tee.
          I’ll Tangerine Dream over the Bong show Pet Jr is conducting.
          Seems people in Ontario think along those lines as last Thursday’s political shift showed.

        2. Just keep telling yourself that populism can’t happen in Canada. Look how that turned out for the Ontario Liberals and NDP…

  26. @joe poli, I don’t think you will see prices jump in the US, here is a list, from our gov’t, of the cars built in Canada;
    https://www.ic.gc.ca/eic/site/auto-auto.nsf/eng/am00767.html While we tout our lower dollar we don’t mention all the additional social infrastructure costs that the US doesn’t have that the employer pays, the wages aren’t the only costs. Most of these factories run on electricity and Ontario has fixed that – has it quadrupled over the cost in New York state now or is it even higher?

    I also note that Ford has announced that it will stop building cars in the North American market because they are losing money on them but will now concentrate on trucks and SUVs, all of which are made in the US except for the Ford Edge. The only car Ford says it will produce in the future is the Mustang, not built in Canada.

    Note the distinct lack of hybrids and EVs on the list of our cars? Most seem to be old tech gas guzzlers which don’t sell well in todays high priced fuel environment. I think that most of these car companies will have to retool their factories to produce lighter more efficient cars, why not do that in the US and close down those costly old Canadian factories that are past their best before dates anyway. Plays well to returning the manufacturing home (to the US) and not subsidizing their frenemies (Canada).

    I think our PM has stubbed his d*ck and Chrystia will be crying into her Mimosa this morning, I think NAFTA should fail but we need a stronger team to negotiate its replacement, with its 5 year expiry date extended to a more reasonable time frame….

  27. Yesterday Peter Mackay very accurately described (CBC) the Steel issue was CHINA…. and today he played the dumb Canadian card….
    The political BS game only works with the ignorant… Tariffs are not a problem IF consumers want to buy your products….. The collusion with the EU/UN proves beyond a doubt that we Americans must protect Steel & Aluminum resources….
    I would remind everyone that Japan’s attack on Pearl Harbor was partly a response to a STEEL embargo headed by the USA…..Wonder why? YES! CANADA Would SUPPORT A STEEL EMBARGO on the USA

  28. I remember back in the very early days of Reform a fiend of mine asked me if I had met Stephen Harper. I hadn’t and was not even aware of who he was at that point. My friend was very impressed with Harper and described him as a towering intellect.
    A bit gushing perhaps but contrast that with a description of bongo. Would even his most loyal sycophants use the term intellect when describing him?
    Perhaps, but I have never even heard him described as smart.
    My point is that bongo’s intellect or lack of it has now got him/us in a very serious spot. Our zeal to protect all things quebek has come back to bite us.
    He is getting killed this morning on US tv and its not just Fox. He’s on for a very unpleasant week.
    Hugs all around!

    This will not have a happy ending.

    1. If the current pile on gets Canadians to recognize what an incompetent phony Trudeau is, that would be a happy ending. Unfortunately, the residual anti-Americanism among Trudeau and Liberal supporters means that at least some will not see the writing on the wall. Still, we can always hope. Time for his party to step forward and remove the guy . . .they can always pull a Patrick Brown to oust him (perhaps check out those signed Affidavits that Kinsella mentions.)

      1. I do believe that the liberal party is sharpening their knives in accordance with their custom. Why else would it be Kinsella who released the #MeToo story?

        If you look at Trump as an America First Globalist instead of a nationalist, this all makes a lot of sense. Far too many casual analysts have been reliably outperforming the pundit class regarding Trump on foreign affairs (check out Scott Adams, Thomas Wictor, or even Styxhexenhammer666). He has a list of key countries that need their swamps drained and has slowly been working through them. Trudeau and the Libs have made the list both because of the importance of Canada, and because they are intricately involved in the US swamp.

        Justin’s biggest problem in all of this is he is trying to act without ever having looked at the script.

        1. “He has a list of key countries that need their swamps drained and has slowly been working through them. ”

          He hasn’t worked through anything. Just more Scott Adams-level delusion.

  30. Embarassing. Trudeau’s choice to play his brand of passive aggressive politics on our largest trading partner will have big time ramifications to Canadians. A 25 percent tariff is actually justified, under NAFTA Canada is only supposed to produce as many cars as we consume, we’ve been producing way more for decades due to the low dollar.

    1. What low dollar? What is the right rate? How many yen should there be to the dollar. Money is a commodity and on any given day its value relates directly to supply and demand. Our dollar sucks because our economy sucks.

      1. High school economics? Have a look at the last 30 years Canada / US exchange rate, labour is the biggest expense to manufacture a car and doing this at a 30% discount makes a big difference. This and Chinese steel are the reasons why so many cars are made in Canada.

    2. “his brand of passive aggressive politics on”….

      His timing really sucked….Trump’s on his way to negotiate with NOKO…..the last thing Trump will let happened is made to look weak right before that

    1. Hmmm…

      “And that’s what bad faith Justin Trudeau did with that stunt press conference. That’s what weak, dishonest Justin Trudeau did. And that comes right from Air Force One.”

      trial ballooning “bad faith” or “weak, dishonest” justin Trudeau?

    2. There is a special place in hell reserved for the House of Trudeau. Justin’s father’s already in it.

  32. Clock’s seems to be ticking.
    Kudlow is dismayed AND p155ed.
    Justin Trudeau needs to either apologize and resign
    -or- apologize and very publicly dismiss key advisors.
    The latter would provide great example for Kim Jong Un.

  33. Help me understand my Canadian Friends … who is telling PM eyebrows what to say. We all know that he is incapable of original thought … and would never DARE engage MY President in an extemporaneous discussion … face to face … so he reads a cheat sheet prepared by -someone- … after … MY President leaves the G7. Who prepared PM Sockeye’s statement … and why?

    1. “Help me understand my Canadian Friends … who is telling PM eyebrows what to say”

      Sadly, one of the more worriesome answers I can come up with is that it is just his sycophantic staff, and that coterie of social justice warriors he has populated his cabinet with. It has all of the sophistication of a junior high school Social Justice Club.

      1. So Climate Barbie wants Canada out of the dirty fossil-fuel-fired automotive business, and she finally found a way.

      1. Yes, Strong was the kingpin for all the globalist and environmental garbage we have to deal with. I am not totally convinced he is actually dead. The timing was very suspicious.

  34. “I am convinced foreign money was put to work to ensure his defeat. ”

    Considering how “tight” the previous U.S. President and Trudeau are… kind of a “birds of a feather” type thing… and the time frame… and what we now know about trying to influence Benjamin Netanyahu’s re-election… you won’t get any argument from me.

  35. I’ve often heard Larry Kudlow when he’s been a guest on The John Batchelor Show, so his comments aren’t at all unusual or surprising. His background in politics and economics goes back to, if I’m not mistaken, to when Reagan was in the White House.

  36. Looking at the comments to the video clip, it’s not surprising that PM Eyebrow is seen as a hero for “standing up” to that big, mean bully Trump.

  37. True Canadians!! Blaming our PM for the actions of Donald Trump, the biggest idiot since ”Shemp” of ”Three Stooges” fame died.

    ”Oh Canada–WE stand on guard for thee!!”

    1. Comparing our PM to any of the Three Stooges is an insult to Larry, Moe, Curly, and Shemp.

    2. That’s all well and good, Murkie Watters, but I suspect your fellow countrymen would say “you go do it with your own dollars. You can personally fund Turdeau LaDeuce, out of YOUR retirement savings. Get your filthy, disgusting fingers out of MY wallet, you and those like you, are nothing by common thieves.”

      I am a big fan of taxation by donation. You love social justice? Please feel free to give generously… of your OWN money.

  38. Some good comments here. Gives me hope.

    It is about time our useless spoiled brat of a Prime Minister and his grossly incompetent cabinet of high-school, brainwashed progressives were fully exposed for the fakes they are. Our media sure as hell isn’t prepared to tell the truth, nor are our so-called political pundits. And many Canadians would much rather defend Trudeau than admit he is a complete ass and a charlatan.

    So to Donal Trump, my deepest gratitude. The emperor has no clothes and Trump is not afraid to point that out.

  39. I am no fan of our Dear Leader or his student council of a government.

    But there is no way I’ll ever side with the interests of a foreign state over Canada.

    1. Our interests coincide.
      Nothing would help Canada more than the destruction of all things Trudeau.
      Even before this crap came up our dollar was falling and the country was shedding jobs.
      Meanwhile under Harper, we had the strongest economy in the world while everyone was tanking.
      I first noticed our dollar was not on top anymore the same time the polls came out saying Harper could not form a government and it would be either Libs, NDP, or a coalition of them.

      1. “under Harper, we had the strongest economy in the world while everyone was tanking”

        Canada was fading fast by 2015, partly due to the oil shock. Harper did not do much for Canada’s economy. Canada’s strength at the time was largely inherited.

        1. Idiotic comment. Good news is “largely inherited” while bad news is of course Harper’s “fault.”

          Then again it’s not my fault you are incapable of using facts &/or presenting an argument.

          Oh and you like Rand Paul. I know that’s hard for others to understand, that anyone is that stupid.

          But there you are in all your ignorant splendor!!

          1. well said Shamrock, lASS (undork) is truly stupid, uninformed, and dumber than my dead dog!

    2. “But there is no way I’ll ever side with the interests of a foreign state over Canada.”
      JJM,what Canada do you speak of?
      Our current “leadership” represents whom?
      These hapless idiots are playing on the world stage,yet they remain fools and bandits.
      Who represents Canada?
      What of the current negotiation are in “Canada’s Interests”?

    3. JJM, I think most would agree with you. But unless Canadians are prepared to admit that we are in this mess almost entirely because of the rank incompetence of our PM then we will get nowhere.

      And Trump is not entirely out of line – the US has been screwed on trade.

      Trade is fundamentally changing under Trump, and crying like a millionaire spoiled sissy brat as our PM is doing will accomplish sweet nothing.

      1. “the US has been screwed on trade.”

        No one gets ‘screwed’ in trade if it’s voluntary. The only people in the US ‘screwed’ by trade are consumers paying for tariffs and other barriers.

      2. “But unless Canadians are prepared to admit that we are in this mess almost entirely because of the rank incompetence of our PM then we will get nowhere.” Bingo! That sums it up well. Our pipeline construction mess and now our trade mess is all on George Soros’ bought and paid for puppet. Butts is just the puppet handler.

    4. So, how much east/west international trade are we doing to compensate? Oh, we signed CETA & TPP, so that those countries can use us to access the US market. Lazy Canadian business roll over for that, ’cause it’s easy. Meanwhile we cultivate the Ten Banana Republic mentality with east/west trade internally & even externally. The politics of envy rule here & until that is fixed, this place is uneconomic. It was set up as an anti American entity in the first place & I guess it worked for the first 150 years…no sunset clause there. How about now? What do we produce to sell to the world (sans USA) that anyone wants to buy, at a competitive price? Can we even deliver it & deliver it on time?
      What’s your Plan B on this, other than waving that commie red, rag flag?

  41. And speaking of dairy tariffs, Trump is absolutely right.

    Dairy in Canada is a Quebec racket designed to overcharge consumers while severely limiting the choice of dairy products available to Canadians. This is 100% fact. Want some Vermont butter for your next puff pastry? Want some decent French goat’s cheese? Good luck.

    When our useless PM and his team finally negotiated slightly higher dairy imports from Europe the Quebec cartel tried to buy up most of those import quotas so they could continue to overcharge Canadians and limit choice.

    Shiny Pony loves to talk big about free trade but in that case why does he not take on Canada’s dairy cartel?

    1. ” Why does he ( The P.M. ) not take on Canada’s dairy cartel” …

      If not for it’s demanding monopoly at least for it’s variety. Ever try to find Camembert cheese? You’ll find mostly Brie cheese in stores. But wait, there’s hope, it is not from Europe, it’s from, wait for it, it’s from Wisconsin, U.S.A. Available at Cost Co, it is their “Asiago” cheese, very tasty. Sorry, I’ve no other details as I’m out of it at the moment.

      1. A compelling reason the great miscalculator doesn’t take on Canada’s dairy cartel is because it’s dominated by one province. Can you guess which one?

  42. America imports $300 billion from Canada and exports $282 billion to Canada for a trade deficit of $18 billion in Canada’s favor (per year).

    America imports $505 billion from CHINA and exports $130 billion to CHINA for a trade deficit of $375 billion in CHINA’s favor.

    The G-7 smack down was not about Canada, Britain or the EU. It is about America’s trade deficit with CHINA which is greater than all of Canada’s exports to the USA.

    Trump is beating Canada around, ignoring Mexico and meeting with North Korea because he wants a better deal with CHINA. He doesn’t give two dusty farts about Quebec’s dairy industry.

    Trump is also pretend helping Japan with North Korea because Japan exports $24 billion more to the USA than the USA exports to Japan.

    1. There is no such thing as a ‘trade deficit’. The money just comes back as investment.

      1. Why yes. Investment in the debt issued by western governments, secured by future tax income.

        Your grandchildren are being sold as slaves to Chinese oligarchs by western globalist politicians, who are making a point of arranging matches between their own sons and the daughters of the Chinese oligarchy.

      2. Wow just wow, you can scrape my such comeback to your idiocy from your teeth. You can then call investment.

  43. This is not some game – this is the real deal. If Trump’s detractors really want us to believe he is thin skinned, stupid and vindictive, then maybe scurrying away from a meeting with him to a compliant and comfortable media to launch ill-considered shots isn’t the smartest thing to do?

    The Torstar today illuminated the don’t get it crowd. Trump responds to a cowardly attack on his administration, but Trudeau is the victim of heaping insults.

    These mediocracy types then present their idiotic opinion as fact, of Trump trying to impress North Korea?

    Diversion, hypocrisy or naivety anyone. Trump doesn’t care what either Trudeau or Kim thinks, that is clearly demonstrable. They have their similarities, one is a tin pot dictator who gathers power for himself and blame others for his failure, and the other is the leader of North Korea.

    Treat Trump undiplomatically hoping he will agree to the defeated establishment’s standards.

    These mediocratites have bats in their belfry if they think this will have sway Trump and his administration.

    Quite the opposite in all likelihood. Harper said Trudeau wasn’t ready for job of PM. Justin proves it every day.

  44. One other thing I will say. From the day Trump was elected my sense was that many, especially those who disliked him, would underestimate him. His detractors assumed he was a fool, incompetent, incapable, he would be impeached, and so on and so on.

    As far as I am concerned, you underestimate Trump at your peril; Trudeau, a spoiled brat who for his entire life has got whatever he wants, does not have the mental ability to understand that.

  45. Poor Justine just got grabbed by the pu$$y and is about to receive a golden shower.

  46. Turdeaus ill-informed comments are getting world-wide attention, the laurentian press cannot hide the truth of this dilletante PM, it will have several major effects:

    1. It will once-and-for-all shatter the easy access to President Trump provided via his daughter Ivanka the limousine liberal.
    2. It will impose real pain on the lieberals in Ontario (tough luck for Premier Ford, rotten timing) when tariffs are imposed and the auto industry collapses.
    3. It just might break the supply management con-game that keeps dairy products ruinously high in canaduh.

    Perhaps that will be enough for the wimmin and maritime provinces to finally desert the lieberals and their fetish dress up doll -Justin.
    Plan and prepare for a 50 cent loonie v USD, this is not going to be fun

  47. On the bright side for all of Canada, I have not heard Trump make any attacks on Canada. It always seems to be ‘Justin from Canada’, compare that to the endless youtube clips of him talking about China.

    Even on the Steel and Aluminum issue, he did not state that Canada was a national security threat, simply that maintaining those industries was a national security issue.

    1. Right on the money. He will praise the Canadian people highly, and trash Shiny Pony. We’ve seen this before, and he’s really good at it.

  48. The Papineau Penis gives me an ulcer with every utterance, or pirouette. Socks, eyebrows, “space and time” ….good grief!
    He could fall off a cliff and find a way to screw it up.
    Its beyond amusing, its annoying as HELL.
    Could we just turn the “BongWhisperer” off and not hear anymore from a worldclass juvenile………. please.

    1. …and you forgot his quantum computing skills and the miracles he pulls because budgets balance themselves…

      1. Not just that, but he can wet himself in the presence of someone like Putin or Trump and claim he won a micturition competition.

      2. “…quantum computing”…in quotations, rather, credit to:
        B A Rupertslander, original author, with all due respect.

        N. R.

  49. Any remotely sane president would have fired Navarro for his comments. Actually any sane president would never have anything to do with Navarro.

    Trump is so stupid, that he actually said that America is being treated like the world’s piggy bank. He actually thinks that trade deficits exist and imports just suck money out of America. He is that stupid.

      2. No he won’t. There is no coming out on top in a trade war, especially with midterms and tariffs aimed at his support base.

        1. Which tariffs aimed at which support base? These are important omissions on your part. Speak up.

          1. I think he is playing to his support base, shutting down US plants in Canada, i.e. Ford, GM and Chrysler – only one of which didn’t take any money in the big bailout…. and bringing those jobs back to the USA. He is also supporting the farmers in the midwest or it will be perceived that he is by fighting those nasty Milk Boards in Canada with their 270% Tariff. All milk licences across Canada are owned by 2 companies – Agropur and Gay-Lea Foods. Agropur has been aggressively expanding into the US by buying up plants so maybe they see the writing on the wall.

            The bottom line here is that on the Milk issue he is 100% correct, notice that he comes back to it several times and it is a big deal in Ontario and Quebec. There many other Supply Management boards that keep prices artificially high in Canada but the focus seems to be on the one with the highest tariff. If he can get one or two car lines closed down up here and relocated to Michigan will that increase his support or decrease it?

    2. UnMedicated, your trolling would be much more effective if you occasionally would include some small fact to show you at least have a tenuous connection to reality. When you make nothing but assertions that are so often clearly contrary to reality, well it makes everyone dismiss you.

  50. What exactly did Trudeau say that was so vicious? That we will respond to their unjust tariffs? This is hardly new or a surprise.

    I just love all the changes in reasoning as to why the steel and aluminum tariffs exist on Canada in the first place. China trans shipping through Canada (doesnt happen), national security, NAFTA, and now dairy. Not a single one makes any sense. If you think it does have your head examined.

    Even Steve came out with a bipartisan response. But since so many of you want to suck off Trump it’s the usual anti Canadian response here.

    1. Apparently the EU is already after China for its Transhipment of steel through Vietnam and other countries;
      https://agmetalminer.com/2016/11/16/eu-takes-action-against-transshipped-chinese-steel/

      If its working for them in the EU what makes you think its not being done over here, of course the steel wouldn’t “come from China” but from another country much like the big Chinese honey scandal where they shipped it all over the world before it got to North America. So how much of the steel we sell to the US come from some third party, who isn’t Chinese but has close working ties with them? None of the Steel Companies in Canada are Canadian owned anymore. Here is a quote from the Canadian Encylopedia;

      “Today, every remaining steel mill in the country is owned by foreign investors and Canada is a net importer of the manufactured product. ”

      So if we are a net importer, where is it coming from, we know its going to the US as a semi finished product but where are we getting it? Would we buy it from the cheapest source?

      1. Canada makes a lot of steel. We have lots of good quality ore and cheap power. Trans shipping wouldn’t be through canada. It would be through a non NAFTA country then to the USA.

        Canada is also the 3rd largest producer of aluminum. Modern mills and cheap power has enabled this.

        1. Not sure about that. Show me the numbers. But, of course, they could be making steel for three pipelines. That would be good for Canada.

        2. Allan,
          On steel and aluminum you are clearly retarded. Canada does not make a lot of steel. In fact we are 17th in the world, behind Iran. France and Spain make more steel than Canada. We do not make very much steel. We used to…
          Yes we are the number 3 maker of aluminum, primarily because of very low electricity prices in Quebec. But we don’t actually make much aluminum either. China makes 10 times the aluminum we make. We used to make a lot of aluminum…
          Also, we do not have lots of good quality iron ore. We rank 9th in the world. We have been shutting down our iron ore mines because they are not competitive. We have lots of iron. Just not much iron ore. But we used to…

          1. The fix for Canada was in when Stelco went belly up and companies like Falconbridge, Alcan, and Dofasco were bought by foreign interests.

            I bought shares in each of them because, at the time I added them to my portfolio, they were good, solid Canadian companies and I thought they would be long-term investments. I lost my shirt on Stelco when it went belly up, but I made some nice profits when the rest were bought by foreign interests.

          2. 12 million tons is not a lot? Just because China makes a ridiculous amount doesn’t mean we dont produce much.

            That’s enough steel to load 550,000 semis worth.

      2. Heh, you’ve heard of the famous Vietnamese poem “The Bessimers of Dah Nang”.

          1. Why dont you think they’re a big deal? They’re completely unjust and expensive.

          2. …if the liberals think they are unjust and expensive….that means they are unjust and expensive for the liberals

            I’m all for it

    3. What did Trudeau say? Well, he said 3 things.
      1. The US tariffs are unjust (before hosting the G7 summit).
      2.”We are resolved to work together”… (The Charlevoix Communique, the very first item resulting from the summit).
      3. The duties [placed on Canadian imports] are insulting and Canada won’t be pushed around [by the US].
      You can see the spin damage being attempted by the Liberals. Trudeau only said what he had said previously. What they don’t say is that Trudeau was the host of the G7 (hosts are supposed to be nice), during the summit the leaders agreed to work together, and after Trump left Trudeau played to the Liberal (“we hate America”) with the insulting and won’t be pushed around crap. This is always dragged out when Canadian leaders seek to improve their popularity at home and Trump rightly called him out.

      So what did Trudeau really say? He is more interested in Trudeau and the Liberal Party than in Canada-US trade.

      1. What’s the problem with him saying those things? Those are absolutely mild compared to the usual Trump fare and show no significant change to previous comments. Heck Trump keeps pushing the lie that theres a deficit with Canada. No issue with that?

        Also the piggy bank comments. lol. This guy is actually president. Unreal.

        1. You have to wade into the details on how Canada and the US calculate what is origin of country. I have faced this problem myself when filling out NAFTA forms. When you design a printed circuit board that is laid out in Poland, reviewed by someone in Toronto and then made and shipped from China – is it “Made in Canada”? I always put “Made in Canada” right on my printed circuit boards, just to avoid any confusion. Maybe the Americans don’t like that. They would prefer “Made in America” printed circuit boards shipped from China to the USA and then to Canada.

          1. Actually I deal with this all the time. I’m a cross border trucker. You cant import steel or aluminum into the states without the mill cert.

        2. Allan, the problem is that Trudeau was not forthcoming in his meeting with Trump, then after Trump leaves he decides to dump on him, figuring this would play well to the home town crowd, and of course to his globalist chums. It was tacky and undiplomatic. That’s our boy.

          1. I would hardly call his words “dumping on him”. That’s a joke and you know it. I suggest watching the video.

          2. Allan, If Trudeau had negative things to say, or wanted to assert that we would not be pushed around, he should have been making those comments directly to Trump, but he was too cowardly. He waited until he was with his friendly crowd. I really do not blame Trump for his reaction.

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