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Safe and Effective Wuhan Flu 45 Comments

@EricTopol

There needs to be truth-telling about the reduced protection of mRNA vaccines vs symptomatic Delta infections. It was 95% pre-Delta. Many are claiming it’s still ~80%.

It isn’t. 50-60% is best estimate from all sources (not US, since we don’t have the data) …

Look at Israel’s Delta case surge, a model country for vaccination, >15 per cent points more of total population vaccinated than the US. That, in itself, tells us about the reduction of protection of mRNA vaccines vs cases/spread.

Bumped for this update.

Maybe Geert Vanden Bossche knew what he was talking about, after all.

45 Replies to “Safe And Effective ®”

  1. Yet O’Toole said today that every Canadian should be jabbed with these experimental medicalproducts.

    1. Hey Conservatives!

      Nice to know your leader has your backs!

      You just know it, eh? You can actually feel it … right between your shoulder blades.

        1. There has already been at least one well documented case of a nursing baby dying of thrombocytopenia apparently from drinking breast milk spiked with spike protein. Anyone recommending mothers get the vaccine is just as crazy.

  2. While they’re out there trying to coerce everybody into injecting stuff, they should legalize drugs. At least let the die-off be voluntary.

  3. So China did a trial run and now they released another that we in the west gave a sexy name to.

    China is winning WW3 and we don’t even know we are loosing

  4. We’re being lied to. It’s a respiratory virus and like the Doctor says below it’s no different than the flu or the common cold. The medical community wants you to believe we can eradicate this like we did with smallpox if we receive multiple vaccine shots.
    Bullocks!!!!!! Flu and cold viruses find animal reservoirs and wait for the immune systems in humans to weaken which is generally in the fall and winter.
    Small pox had no such luxury…it can/could only reside in humans. Masks? Useless.
    We have to wake up.
    Gonna sit here and tell me he doesn’t know jackshit?
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G7tjqgV7e44

    1. Lol that guy is an idiot:

      – he should learn how masks work especially n95. Brownian motion among other things. They aren’t like oil filters. N95s filter out smaller particles better than medium sized ones.

      – respiratory viruses never disappear? Where did SARS and the Spanish flu go?

      – “why don’t we do this for influenza or the common cold?” Because those don’t fill ICU units and kill people like Covid19 has. In 2020 it killed more people than the previous 20 years of influenza and “common cold” combined in the USA

      2. AS. Did. OK. Did. Isn’t now, despite high cases. The rest is theory and hyperbole, and partisan gaslighting.
        The virus continues to hit regions differently at different times. It has thing zero to do masks, the con of the century.
        If it did, why did we have covid outbreaks at long term care homes everywhere, again. Surely all were masked?
        Our philosopher kings surely wouldn’t miss that one, being so benevolently wise, smiling as they, as usual, drop the ball.
        But it didn’t matter. Masks unmasked.
        Sorry folks, but maybe better than nothing is a shitty reason to take away freedom of choice.
        Apparently it’s ok to make you vaccinate, because well, smallpox.
        So we have wide agreement in society for legally requiring vaccination that is a prerequisite for taking freedoms.
        The doctor raises excellent points, or rather questions, that require proper answers.
        I’m not saying he’s right about the vaccine. It doesn’t sound right to me.
        Which means nothing. Nobody knows for sure. We won’t until the fall. So everybody take a chill bill.
        It’s entire possible and even plausible that the delta variant is no longer pneumonic, but bad colds still kill many of the ill.
        Covid isn’t a supervirus (unless on lab steroids then oh shit!) that gets more deadly with each new variant. Of course not.
        The CDC humiliated itself with its “science” of a ridiculous delta is more contagious than the common cold variant of facts.
        The NYT and their team of ridiculous notions was their scientific source. Smallpox alert.
        Biden lie advises the nation, telling them this demonstrably weaker variant is “more deadly.” To their hegemony, perhaps.
        The doctor is right about one thing. You can’t eradicate the common cold. Yet our politicians now promise just that.
        Like they promise anything yet fail at everything. Their covid death machine in care facilities everywhere is the tell.

      4. Spanish flu was H1N1 you pretentious dolt. 99.9% of people wear useless homemade germ-collecting trash on their faces, not properly-fitted N95 or N100 masks.

        1. N95, nor any other mask can stop an airborne virus, physical impossibility, you can glue them to your face if want, all you will do is keep inhaling your own crap and anything else that gets through.

        1. I am never sure who is responding to who with this setup. But, if it is me, I have six N95 masks in my basement and they will not stop a fucking airborne virus ever.

      6. Spanish flu is still here. It’s called H1N1 attenuated. SARS1 vanished because it has such a high fatality rate it could be easily traced via contacts and terminated by eliminating all cases (through death or recovery) thereby ending the chain of transmission in humans and there is no known animal reservoir to reinfect humans.

        Your comments about brownian motion and N95 indicate you are quoting something stupid and you have no knowledge of what Brownian motion actually is. Go learn something about prepping for surgery with N95 masks through the use of a stinky detector. Even experienced medical personal typically need more than one trial and have to have someone assisting them to get it on properly and pass the stinky test.

        You’re the idiot.

        And flu does kill. Every year I can recall flu has killed off dozens of elderly in my province. As for COVID, the PCR test can’t distinguish between flu and COVID so we have no way of knowing how many people counted as dead from COVID actually died of flu so your stat is meaningless. (And I am not including the elderly given overdoses of morphine who were counted as COVID deaths.)

    2. The doctor explains things rather well.
      Noticed at the end that the board and in extension, other public and private institutions are sucked into the hysteria mayhem for fear of being sued. Of course the interesting part is that if you get bad effects or die directly attributed to the frankenvaccine the Moderna, Pfizer and those that insist that you get it are completely free from damages inflicted on you.

      The low life pharma the politicians and the media cartel, are ruling the world now.

      One would be interested in the money showers the low life pharma, rains on the politicians and the media cartel.

      One can see the current civilization’s end just around the corner.

    1. I hope the Quebecois, who are fickle voters at the best of times, throw these bastards out next election. We have the damn vaccine passport in Manitoba and we already had one huge step backwards in their application, plus lots of reassurances to us peons that it is only temporary. I think due to blowback. They may push it forward again when we get that fourth wave but I’m not sure how compliant the public is going to be.

    1. I recovered from it, didn’t even realize I had it. 36 hours of no smell or taste, but no other symptoms. Of course, I am in damn good shape for a 56-year old smoker, but yet I am vilified for not wanting to get a vaccine. I agreed to a layoff at work partly because of the vaccine nonsense. The general public has lost it’s ability to reason or think for themselves and that does not bode well for the future.

  9. His chain of thought, however, leads to this disturbing conclusion: “Because we need to protect the protected, the fully vaccinated.
    Sure we want to get more people vaccinated, but truth engenders trust. And truth helps guide people to be safe, use masks, distance, ventilation and all the other tools we have and know helps.”

    Yep. Vaccines are not all that effective, so it’s back to what these clowns think is effective: permanent lockdowns and mask mandates. And there’s that idiotic ventilation thing again. Central planning, anyone?

  10. BTW that McGill idiot who wrote that hit piece about Geert Vanden Bossche knows nothing about the man or what he thinks. In fact I’m amazed he got his name right.

  11. Nice neighbor told me today that he is in terrible pain with shingles.
    I could see his damaged skin from 8 feet away. Said he went to Doctor and is on medication.

    This 80 year old gentleman got Pfizered in May and July. (We never talked about the injections)

    Poor fella! This is very real, folks.

    P.S. Finally received Dr Judy Mikovits’ Book today. It took almost 3 weeks from Brampton. Thinking musta used horse and buggy!

    1. Yes, indeed. It’s called CD4 and CD8 exhaustion. We apparently lose that part of the immune system that normally keeps those viruses that can cause cancer and other nasty stuff in check after the mRNA vaccine. In theory we eventually should get our CD4 and CD8 function back after a while. We don’t know exactly when though. In the meantime we can expect a huge surge in virus related cancers and shingles.

      If this is correct we can also expect to see a surge in subacute sclerosing panencephalitis (SSPE), a progressive, disabling, and deadly brain disorder related to measles virus reactivation in the brain of young adults decades after the original infection. That should be fun.

  13. They always want to obscure the trend and trends are what is important. In hockey terms : you don’t want to go where the puck is, you want to know where the puck is going.

    What do I see in the trends?
    1, The vaccines are getting less effective
    2. The variants are evading the vaccines
    3. more and more serious adverse effects are being found in the vaccines

    To me it confirms that patience and caution regarding the vaccines are still the best path.

    1. Absolutely. I don’t understand the crazy fetish for the ‘vaccines’, when they are truly experimental and they might just fail.

      I have natural immunity now so I will run with that.

  14. In a statement, Pfizer said it “expect[s] to be able to develop and produce a tailor-made vaccine against that variant in approximately 100 days after a decision to do so, subject to regulatory approval.”

    Hey! Only 100 more days of total lockdown to stop the spread.

    1. Being as they have not be able to isolate the sars-cov-2 virus which is supposed to be the virus that started all this insanity, just how the hell do they develop a shot for a mutation of something they are unable to isolate? In 100 days the virus could mutate a dozen times. By the way still a 99.8% recovery rate.

      1. This is the same reason that I found the flu vaccination program so laughable.
        And why they always will fail.
        But it sure made alot more sheep to get their shots.
        The companies even made 2 shots which gave them this vaccination path we’re on with the two shots that never was a vaccine. Purely knocking off people who blindly take this.
        No doubt they have advised select people to use a bogus shots like Trudeau.
        Such a helpful Muppet. Following orders and never having to think for himself.

        1. My thought as well Jojo, The turds and Obummers of the world simple got a saline shot, while we get the goo. I used to get the flu shot many years ago, and every time I got the flu a couple of weeks later. I quit getting the flu shot thirty years ago, and have had the flu once since then. There is no frigging way I will EVER agree to getting the goo shot.

          Something else I recently thought of. Does anyone remember that Jewish Pharma ceo and his wife back in the Toronto area, a couple of years back that were found hanging, and suspected as murdered. They never found the culprit, but I wonder if they were invited, but refused to get aboard the Covid wagon with other pharma companies, and were “dealt with” and also left hanging, literally, as a warning to others that might not join the fun. There have been a number of lesser dictators and presidents that have been assassinated in the past year or two as well. I wonder about that too. There are a lot of ultra rich powerful evil people involved in this scam, and I could easily believe they are working in unison to create a new feudal society to benefit themselves and their offspring.

  15. I seem to recall exactly this outcome being predicted by some within vaccine science right at the start last year. This was among the reasons that there was never a widespread SARS vaccine effort. They knew it wouldn’t be fit for purpose.

  17. This is the “enhancement” that Vanden Bossche warned about months ago. Leaky ‘vaccines’ that don’t kill the virus entirely, causes mutations/variants.

    The Delta is more contagious, the Ro values are indicating that, despite small sample sizes, but, the Death rate is much lower, and the dose doesn’t protect you from it either. Still, of course, we see tremendous fear mongering and distortions thanks to the mediots and government apparatchiks, constantly. Must keep the sheeple in a state of constant fear, paranoia, and longing for their government heroes to save them……….

    Bring on the prion based dementia, just around the corner now. Those of us avoiding the dose, know that we are about to be discriminated against in many ways. No foreign travel allowed, no concerts, no sports venues, perhaps locked out of restaurants as well. How long will that keep up? About as long as it takes for societal decline from prion based disease and dementia throughout the population. GVB’s prediction record is looking pretty good right now.

  18. On cursory look, definitely 48 hour rule material.

    “While results indicated the Pfizer and Moderna vaccines were highly effective against COVID-19 infection (76%, 86%, respectively) and hospitalization (85%, 91.6%) the effectiveness against infection dropped by July to 42% and 76%, respectively.”

    https://www.foxnews.com/health/pfizer-covid-19-vaccine-42-infection-delta-preprint

    Further findings indicated …” IOW, they’re not scientifically sure, they might even be guessing. Imho, we can’t possibly know yet.

    Fauxci Fearful and the other collectivists could run a marathon of mendacity with the daylight in this latest study conjecture.

    Do they really have the cases versus “symptomatic delta infections” right? A sniffle? A bad cold. RSV? Pneumonia?

    What’s happening with healthy people?

    Cases become infections become deaths become anti-vaxxer Sturgis superspreader murderers.

    But not the Lollalobamalooza set.

    They may frolic, the sophisticated set. Remember, only 35 people out of 70,000 at Garth Brooks concert were vaccinated.

    We’ve seen the collectivist playbook many times. Isolate a target. Ridicule it. Most of all dehumanize it. Jettison truth.

    I question everything nowadays and subject it all to independent inquiry. EVERYBODY is misinforming and disinforming.

    They do it for themselves. Because it improves their ratings. Because it gives them power and prestige. That’s all I’m saying.

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