So the Al Gore effect still has more empirical evidence than catastrophic anthropogenic global warming. Who would have thunk it.
As a resident of Ontario paying for the financial crisis created by the McGuinty/Wynne Green madness I’d like to know how much we paid for Gore to come to Toronto to spread manure over the wind and solar “farms”.
I’m going to go out on a limb and make a prediction that the winter of 2013/14 will see the death of fixed income seniors in their homes because they can no longer afford the skyrocketing power bills and will turn off heaters.
Will the MSM cover the scene of a frozen carcass being wheeled out on a stretcher? It will be kinda hard to ignore blood on the hands of the Ontario Liberals then….
Would the last person leaving Ontario please turn out the lights, oh wait, the lights are already going out.
Wish I could derive some satisfaction from “I told you so”.
There’s no reason to regret the closing of coal plants IF their replacements are more reliable and affordable. Gas plants, for instance, or some breakthrough nuclear technology. But that’s not what’s happening. Thermal plants are being closed and replaced by inferior products – less reliable, more expensive and heavily supported by subsidies and preferential treatment. If solar and wind power are the poster boys for anything it’s not superiority of 21st century energy, it’s the absurdity of 21st century governance. This is where people misunderstand “elitism”. It’s not envy of accomplishment or lifestyle; it’s anger over the arrogance and incompetence of status-based power and decision making. Despite failure after failure of the elites, T.Sowell’s “anointed”, they never seem to experience any moment of reflection or regret over the damage their faulty premises and solutions cause the average citizen.
I normally wouldn’t care if a jurisdiction chooses to tank their economy but the redistribution systems binding Canadians means that Ontario’s failure costs the productive parts of the country. If universal Medicare means politicians get a say in your lifestyle choices…then maybe have provinces should get more say in the economic choices of have not provinces. /s
So while Ontario DELIBERATELY sabotages its own economy, perhaps any equalization payments to them should be denied.
Deliberate stupidity should never be rewarded.
Ontario’s powerhouse economy was based on one basic fundamental. That is cheap abundant reliable energy. It was a mixture of hydro, nuclear and coal plants.
If you are looking for a real cause of the demise of manufacturing in Ontario, you have no further to look than the then Leader of the NDP provincial party, Bob Rae, who then forced a moratorium of nuclear power in the Province of Ontario (in the middle of the construction of the Darlington Nuclear Power Plant) as a deal to prop up a minority Liberal Government in the mid 1980’s. Short term gain for long term pain. He was kissing up to the anti-nuclear green lobby for short term votes. — why does this sound familiar?
This was insane policy for several reasons because there are many large ticket items that are very costly and under very tight schedules. To mothball a steam generator or pressure vessels for 2 years increases costs dramatically. To delay the major component manufacturers working on components that take 2-3 years to manufacture increases costs. If he was a true green politician with common sense he would have chosen say a moratorium on all future nuclear power plants. Rae & Peterson’s political actions destroyed the health of Ontario Hydro.
To add insult to injury. timing was heavily dependent on Darlington being up by a certain date so Bruce could be taken down for planned maintenance. Because Darlington was delayed, it was required to keep Bruce running till it needed to be shutdown for major repairs because it was run way past mandatory maintenance. This cascaded the delays so the same thing happened with Pickering thus causing avoidable damage to the various reactors thus escalating the costs resulting in quadrupling the debt of Ontario Hydro. It is the equivalent of running a car when there was first signs of trouble, a warning light and then running it into the ground so that major repairs are necessary because you wanted to do what was “right” not based on any plan or alternative. So instead of doing an oil change, one had to rebuild the entire engine.
Come in Dalton McGuinty who decides that four clean coal power generating plants was harmful to the world’s environment when China was bringing online a dirty coal power plant every week for years on end and decided to blow up some of Ontario power generation assets. We are taliking 2400+ dirty coal generating plants under construction at any one time in China. Ontario’s plants had the most advanced filter system to remove offensive particulate matter.
The installation of windpower in Ontario came at a high cost — 80 cents/kWh is not competitive when one can buy power on the open market for 5 cents/kWh wholesale. Windpower is also highly unreliable where the average power generation is at 3% of production capacity and the power can’t be put online to meet demand like a coal or gas plant.
I don’t think the Liberals really understood why Ontario was a manufacturing powerhouse — it was cheap abundant reliable electrical power.
That is why Ontario has become a have not province.
I live not too far from Nanticoke. I see it often. All that comes out of it is a bit of steam. You can’t tell if its running half the time, steam only shows up in cold air. It has -zero- noticeable impact on the local environment.
Tell you what’s going to have an impact, is when the rolling blackouts start this winter.
Title change suggestion: “Toronto embraces green ruin, rest of Ontario plans to make Toronto its own province.”
GTA Gerry. I wholeheartedly agree with everything you said but remember who supported these morons. Yes, the GTA. Check out just how many Liberal MPPs there are outside the GTHA.
And yes, Toronto should be it’s own province- Let’s call it York.
York can install all the wind turbines and solar panels they want.
The north shore of the lake is a good start. Off-shore as well as on-shore. The Beaches,Toronto Island,Leslie Spit etc.
We who live in Ontario would be more than willing to help expedite this change.
“That is why Ontario has become a have not province.”
Ontario has become a “have not” province because a majority of its voters are either too stupid, or too selfish, to be concerned about the future. Period.
Meanwhile they are predicting a brutal winter in the UK.
Mind you, their long-range forecasting does not have a great track record.
Gerry I think you nail it, ” I don’t think the Liberals really understood why Ontario was a manufacturing powerhouse-” they didn’t and they don’t, liberalism is a mental disorder.
Now Ontario is running out of other peoples money, maybe reality will peek through the red current of delusion.
But the cities are more and more resistant to reality every year, Detroit is their future.
throw in the fact that it a useless union *hithole, and you’v about covered it. I worked with a millwright who came to us from the hydro when we were in slow season, the lazy idiot asked if it ever got “slow”, when informed it was slow he almost fell over, twit didn’t last long. Also there was Hairass (harris) and his 1.3 million a year Clithrow, who the h3ll needs to pay someone that much to run a monopoly, wrong priorities
My Albertan uncle was telling me there was a plant in Ontario capable of building large components for the tar sands but lacking a few miles of roads or something like that to be able to ‘export’ out west. McGinty had zero interest in it, I’m not sure if the plant was even willing to finance it. Maybe it’s a principled stand and he is willing to cost his province jobs to ‘save the planet’ but maybe he would literally rather have his province lose jobs than Alberta gain some. Hard to say, either way it’s tough for Ontario. I like Rob Ford even more now somehow but wouldn’t it be nice if Toronto didn’t have such a dichotomy of lemons to suck on like Ford for the CBC and McGinty for half the province.
I seem to remember one Dalton McGuinty who said the manufacturing economy was over and we are moving to a sevice economy. Thus my feeling that the Liberals never understood the economy of Ontario aka 65% in the 80’s was based on the automotive manufacturing industry — well d’ohhhh.
Then to add insult to injury he inflated energy costs — well talk about the proverbial nail in the cofin.
Going nuclear was a major drive to convert steel plants in ontario from coal driven operations to “clean steel” — part of this operation was Naticoke — which was clean coal to produce clean steel. Somehow the Liberals were not listening.
So what did the Liberals do? whell they fucked with the price of power by screwing around with Darlington via the nuclear moratoriam. Then they let steel plants fail due to environmental regulations which would not allow for new coke plant comstructions — everything was make the old plant be upgraded — upgrade costs exceed new plant construction thus killed all the Hamilaton steel plants. WTF — yes true.
These idiots do not understand that Ontario was a manufacturing powerful — red tape did not help.
I see the same thing today with the Ring of Fire — Ontario denied the construction of a highway to the new mining site. What? The 3 companies to date interested in the ring of fire walked away — McGiunity made a snarky remark when a smalter was moved from Ontario to Quebec — was well we should not rely on digging things up from the ground :O
He didn’t understand the manufacturing economy either — so what do the Liberals understand? Not much.
So the Al Gore effect still has more empirical evidence than catastrophic anthropogenic global warming. Who would have thunk it.
As a resident of Ontario paying for the financial crisis created by the McGuinty/Wynne Green madness I’d like to know how much we paid for Gore to come to Toronto to spread manure over the wind and solar “farms”.
I’m going to go out on a limb and make a prediction that the winter of 2013/14 will see the death of fixed income seniors in their homes because they can no longer afford the skyrocketing power bills and will turn off heaters.
Will the MSM cover the scene of a frozen carcass being wheeled out on a stretcher? It will be kinda hard to ignore blood on the hands of the Ontario Liberals then….
Would the last person leaving Ontario please turn out the lights, oh wait, the lights are already going out.
Wish I could derive some satisfaction from “I told you so”.
There’s no reason to regret the closing of coal plants IF their replacements are more reliable and affordable. Gas plants, for instance, or some breakthrough nuclear technology. But that’s not what’s happening. Thermal plants are being closed and replaced by inferior products – less reliable, more expensive and heavily supported by subsidies and preferential treatment. If solar and wind power are the poster boys for anything it’s not superiority of 21st century energy, it’s the absurdity of 21st century governance. This is where people misunderstand “elitism”. It’s not envy of accomplishment or lifestyle; it’s anger over the arrogance and incompetence of status-based power and decision making. Despite failure after failure of the elites, T.Sowell’s “anointed”, they never seem to experience any moment of reflection or regret over the damage their faulty premises and solutions cause the average citizen.
I normally wouldn’t care if a jurisdiction chooses to tank their economy but the redistribution systems binding Canadians means that Ontario’s failure costs the productive parts of the country. If universal Medicare means politicians get a say in your lifestyle choices…then maybe have provinces should get more say in the economic choices of have not provinces. /s
So while Ontario DELIBERATELY sabotages its own economy, perhaps any equalization payments to them should be denied.
Deliberate stupidity should never be rewarded.
Ontario’s powerhouse economy was based on one basic fundamental. That is cheap abundant reliable energy. It was a mixture of hydro, nuclear and coal plants.
If you are looking for a real cause of the demise of manufacturing in Ontario, you have no further to look than the then Leader of the NDP provincial party, Bob Rae, who then forced a moratorium of nuclear power in the Province of Ontario (in the middle of the construction of the Darlington Nuclear Power Plant) as a deal to prop up a minority Liberal Government in the mid 1980’s. Short term gain for long term pain. He was kissing up to the anti-nuclear green lobby for short term votes. — why does this sound familiar?
This was insane policy for several reasons because there are many large ticket items that are very costly and under very tight schedules. To mothball a steam generator or pressure vessels for 2 years increases costs dramatically. To delay the major component manufacturers working on components that take 2-3 years to manufacture increases costs. If he was a true green politician with common sense he would have chosen say a moratorium on all future nuclear power plants. Rae & Peterson’s political actions destroyed the health of Ontario Hydro.
To add insult to injury. timing was heavily dependent on Darlington being up by a certain date so Bruce could be taken down for planned maintenance. Because Darlington was delayed, it was required to keep Bruce running till it needed to be shutdown for major repairs because it was run way past mandatory maintenance. This cascaded the delays so the same thing happened with Pickering thus causing avoidable damage to the various reactors thus escalating the costs resulting in quadrupling the debt of Ontario Hydro. It is the equivalent of running a car when there was first signs of trouble, a warning light and then running it into the ground so that major repairs are necessary because you wanted to do what was “right” not based on any plan or alternative. So instead of doing an oil change, one had to rebuild the entire engine.
Come in Dalton McGuinty who decides that four clean coal power generating plants was harmful to the world’s environment when China was bringing online a dirty coal power plant every week for years on end and decided to blow up some of Ontario power generation assets. We are taliking 2400+ dirty coal generating plants under construction at any one time in China. Ontario’s plants had the most advanced filter system to remove offensive particulate matter.
The installation of windpower in Ontario came at a high cost — 80 cents/kWh is not competitive when one can buy power on the open market for 5 cents/kWh wholesale. Windpower is also highly unreliable where the average power generation is at 3% of production capacity and the power can’t be put online to meet demand like a coal or gas plant.
I don’t think the Liberals really understood why Ontario was a manufacturing powerhouse — it was cheap abundant reliable electrical power.
That is why Ontario has become a have not province.
I live not too far from Nanticoke. I see it often. All that comes out of it is a bit of steam. You can’t tell if its running half the time, steam only shows up in cold air. It has -zero- noticeable impact on the local environment.
Tell you what’s going to have an impact, is when the rolling blackouts start this winter.
Title change suggestion: “Toronto embraces green ruin, rest of Ontario plans to make Toronto its own province.”
GTA Gerry. I wholeheartedly agree with everything you said but remember who supported these morons. Yes, the GTA. Check out just how many Liberal MPPs there are outside the GTHA.
And yes, Toronto should be it’s own province- Let’s call it York.
York can install all the wind turbines and solar panels they want.
The north shore of the lake is a good start. Off-shore as well as on-shore. The Beaches,Toronto Island,Leslie Spit etc.
We who live in Ontario would be more than willing to help expedite this change.
“That is why Ontario has become a have not province.”
Ontario has become a “have not” province because a majority of its voters are either too stupid, or too selfish, to be concerned about the future. Period.
Meanwhile they are predicting a brutal winter in the UK.
Mind you, their long-range forecasting does not have a great track record.
Gerry I think you nail it, ” I don’t think the Liberals really understood why Ontario was a manufacturing powerhouse-” they didn’t and they don’t, liberalism is a mental disorder.
Now Ontario is running out of other peoples money, maybe reality will peek through the red current of delusion.
But the cities are more and more resistant to reality every year, Detroit is their future.
throw in the fact that it a useless union *hithole, and you’v about covered it. I worked with a millwright who came to us from the hydro when we were in slow season, the lazy idiot asked if it ever got “slow”, when informed it was slow he almost fell over, twit didn’t last long. Also there was Hairass (harris) and his 1.3 million a year Clithrow, who the h3ll needs to pay someone that much to run a monopoly, wrong priorities
My Albertan uncle was telling me there was a plant in Ontario capable of building large components for the tar sands but lacking a few miles of roads or something like that to be able to ‘export’ out west. McGinty had zero interest in it, I’m not sure if the plant was even willing to finance it. Maybe it’s a principled stand and he is willing to cost his province jobs to ‘save the planet’ but maybe he would literally rather have his province lose jobs than Alberta gain some. Hard to say, either way it’s tough for Ontario. I like Rob Ford even more now somehow but wouldn’t it be nice if Toronto didn’t have such a dichotomy of lemons to suck on like Ford for the CBC and McGinty for half the province.
I seem to remember one Dalton McGuinty who said the manufacturing economy was over and we are moving to a sevice economy. Thus my feeling that the Liberals never understood the economy of Ontario aka 65% in the 80’s was based on the automotive manufacturing industry — well d’ohhhh.
Then to add insult to injury he inflated energy costs — well talk about the proverbial nail in the cofin.
Going nuclear was a major drive to convert steel plants in ontario from coal driven operations to “clean steel” — part of this operation was Naticoke — which was clean coal to produce clean steel. Somehow the Liberals were not listening.
So what did the Liberals do? whell they fucked with the price of power by screwing around with Darlington via the nuclear moratoriam. Then they let steel plants fail due to environmental regulations which would not allow for new coke plant comstructions — everything was make the old plant be upgraded — upgrade costs exceed new plant construction thus killed all the Hamilaton steel plants. WTF — yes true.
These idiots do not understand that Ontario was a manufacturing powerful — red tape did not help.
I see the same thing today with the Ring of Fire — Ontario denied the construction of a highway to the new mining site. What? The 3 companies to date interested in the ring of fire walked away — McGiunity made a snarky remark when a smalter was moved from Ontario to Quebec — was well we should not rely on digging things up from the ground :O
He didn’t understand the manufacturing economy either — so what do the Liberals understand? Not much.