27 Replies to “Hashtag Of The Entitlement Generation”
These losers present a powerful argument for mandatory military service.
Fascinating livestream…Bambi and Bloomsy are not doing well with the petulant park pariahs…
Oooohhh…light sabres….
So the children are playing make believe Lukeskywalker…..bid they bring their barbie dolls too?
Poor, stupid kids……or is that trust fund babies?
Live streaming self satire…ingenious!!!
What does occupying something have to do with free speech anyway? Isn’t free speech something you do with your tongue and your vocal chords, not with your ass — i.e. planting your rear-end down somewhere permanently and building a structure around it? Since when did squatting and free speech mean the same thing?
Worst_Anarchists_Ever
“AND TO TRY NOT TO BE REDUDANT WITH EACH OTHER”…And To Try Not To Be Redundant With Each Other…and to try not to be redundant with each other…
Exactly right, ricardo.
Free speech has zilch to do with occupying-a-space. Or with the right-to-assemble. But the Occupiers make that claim; they assert that when they assemble, they do so ‘in a space’ and thus, have the right to that space. What they ignore is that the space is not boned to the assemblage. Go assemble someplace else. AND, that ‘assembly’ does not mean ‘occupation’.
At any rate, the Occupiers in Toronto’s St. James park have been handed their eviction notices. They have a slew of ‘arguments’ claiming they have a right to occupy this public space. All of them specious and invalid, but…
The first problem is that the park is public and Toronto’s bylaws forbid overnight residency, tents, fires, blah blah.
They argue, if you can believe it, that the Charter’s freedom of speech and assembly is ‘fundamental’ and overrides the laws. Heh. No, it doesn’t.
The preamble to the Charter says: “Canada is founded upon principles that recognize the supremacy of God and the rule of law”. So there. Got that? ‘Supremacy of..the rule of law’.
And the fundamental freedoms are prefaced by section 1 which says that these freedoms are ‘subject…to such reasonable limits prescribed by law’. Heh. But that doesn’t stop the Occupiers from making their claim.
They’ve tried to declare that ‘it’s open to the public’ but private tents rebut that claim. They’ve tried to say that the right-to-assemble includes the domain. No, it doesn’t. I can’t assemble in the middle of a major highway and then claim that highway as my ‘domain’.
Now, they are saying that they can’t leave because they are housing many homeless and the Toronto shelters don’t have room for them. WHAT?
They’ve morphed from being a passionate voice against..whatever..and have now become an adjunct to the social services branch of the city? Since when?
What’s really happened in Toronto is that these hapless naive twits have been totally swallowed by the public unions. The unions moved in quickly to fund them, supply them with food, generators, tents, equipment etc. Why? Heh – there’s a reason.
The unions are engaged in a massive budget crunch fight with Toronto’s new mayor, Ford, who has sworn to reduce the devastating debts due to the demands of these public service unions. These unions provide jobs-for-life, with salaries, benefits and pensions two to three times that of the private sector. Ford is trying to reduce their control over Toronto’s finances and taxpayers. The unions have moved into this Occupation and want a riot.
They want Ford to evict the Occupiers via a riot. The G20 riots blamed Harper. The Unions want to Bash Ford by setting the stage of an Occupation Riot and inflame public opinion vs Ford. The socialists on City Council are hand-in-glove with the public unions, as well as the ubiquitous Toronto Star.
As for the naive Occupiers, who can’t seem to figure out what and why they are protesting, they don’t realize that they’ve become pawns for every power-hungry agenda around. The natives moved in and the Occupiers started to march around in favour of ‘Aboriginal gays, lesbians and transgenders’. Then there was a march for the Tamils and also, Tibetans. And another Native day. And – the Unions moved in as well.
They haven’t a clue – but I predict a riot for one reason. The unions want one.
ET
Nice to see you around again. I agree with most of what you said with one exception…these kids don’t have the parts for a decent riot.
I’ve been watching the live stream and the thing that strikes me is that these misguided souls have…NOTHING…Nothing…nothing.
I was down at the ‘occupy Calgary’ site this morning for a looksee. I went away unimpressed.
The people in NY seem to be more articulate,and cleaner.
The fun in NY is scheduled to start in about 45 minutes.
Good to see you ET.
Now they can go back to doing their drugs in their maggot infested basements. That is, of course, until they are evicted from there.
Refusing to work makes it difficult to pay the rent.
“These losers present a powerful argument for mandatory military service.”
Actually, these bozos need the army a lot more than the army needs them. Can you imagine what a boot camp full of these losers would be like? It’s amusing to imagine them getting their behinds booted by a drill sergeant, but trying to make anything out of them is a waste of the military’s scarce resources. Most of them would be rejected as completely unsuitable material for the Canadian military for any number of reasons.
” Loservision ” is right. He timed his break for 8p.m. when the action was supposed to start. That takes a keen mind.
The point the occupiers miss, which I’ll probably just be echoing what ET has stated, is that when a public provision is violated, no matter what the reason, without first obtaining a grant from the owners rep for an exclusive use provision, it matters little what the purpose was, the violator will be subject to whatever penalties result from the violation. In this case the owners representative at St. James would be city hall, in the name of the Corporation of the city of Toronto. The park is a public asset due to the fact that the corporation is in fact a publicly owned one. The tax payers being shareholders of the park in question have established rules for use as indicated in formally adopted by-laws. The city has this right as per the Municiple Act of Ontario which is authorized through lawful rights as assigned through the British North America Act of 1867 and still in force by virtue of the Constitution Act. The city, as most in Ontario, allows casual use of its public parks within these reasonable limits, the exception being when for special events, exclusive use provisions are allowed for such and the municipality can issue permits and licence for use and charge a fee for same.
The occupiers where and are still allowed per the reasonable limits stated in the bylaws to public use of the park, no one is taking that from them…..or anyone else for that matter.
The flaw in their argument is that they have not fully understood that freedom of speech does not include seizure or occupation of public property.
If they believe that the park is actually theirs to possess, be it as part of a lien for unpaid damages, then the proper venue for their argument is civil litigation, not the SCOC or an HRC tribunal.
I would predict however that such an action would become text book material for students of law school on how ruin a career or how to become a liberal politician.
wallyj
Yea…but he was exhausted from reporting for almost twenty hours…hhhhmmmmppphh.
These kids themselves may not be primed for a riot, but the Unions are bringing in people – who will foment, incite and take part in a riot.
I hope I’m wrong. I agree, in part, with a key concern of the Occupiers – the problem of the reduction of the fiscal and political power of the middle class. This is also the concern of the Tea Party. However, I totally reject the ‘Solutions’ proposed by the Occupiers, i.e., more taxes, more government, more spending. I’m a strong supporter of the Tea Party solutions.
But the Occupiers in Toronto don’t seem to realize that they and their concerns no longer exist. They’ve been swallowed by other Interest Groups who are using them to lobby for their own agendas.
There are the Natives, busy burning sacred fires in the park. It’s illegal to burn fires in public parks; you can call a cow a unicorn but it’s still a cow; you can call a fire ‘sacred’ but it’s still a fire. But the Natives have taken over much of the Will of these occupiers and so, as I’ve said, their once-a-week marches are filled with native agendas. [They only march in protest once a week; the rest of the time they play their guitars, dance, debate ‘why life exists’ and how great Marx is…]
And above all, there are the public service Unions who moved in right from the start. The unions have funded them almost totally and have enabled them to actually exist in that park. The agenda of the Unions is to Destroy the new Toronto mayor, a conservative and anti-unionist who wants to reduce the size of the bureaucracy, privatize a lot of city services and cut budgets.
The unions are, in my view, using this Occupation in the hopes of a massive riot. The locals and indeed many other citizens are complaining. After all, these people, regardless of the self-proclaimed nobility of their endeavour (they claim they want to change the world)…are breaking the law. If we ordinary jerks can’t break the law – then, why do they get away with it? Ahh…the nobility of their agenda…yes, yes, we know.
So, I think the Unions will, as they do at election times, call in their supporters to come down to the park and ‘protect the rights of the Noble’. We’ll see.
joseph – yes, your argument is accurate. But these occupiers are making several claims.
First, is that they are exercising their freedom of speech. Rebuttal to that: So what?
Go exercise it somewhere else.
Second, they claim that their right to assemble means that they claim the space on which they assemble. This is trickier. As a material being, I do indeed take up space. But, the occupiers are ignoring that, legally, my spatial occupation during my right-to-assemble is not static. I can assemble anywhere and can’t claim that I can only assemble in one area – that park.
And, as I’ve pointed out, they’ve misread or ignored the Charter. We live within the rule of law, not the words of men.
So, charming and noble words cannot overrule the law. Our laws are there to protect those people who can’t speak of such noble ideas, who don’t claim that they are going to change the world…they just want to sit in the park and watch the birds.
And their latest claim, apart from their misreading of the Charter and their asserting that their freedom of words trumps the law…is that they and their tents are acting as adjuncts to the city’s social services. They are sheltering the homeless and thus, can’t be moved. heh.
My worry is the agenda of the unions. They are in a war with the mayor and will do anything to destroy him and retain their power and control over the city’s budget.
How do you impress upon over-privileged brats with a quasi-Marx fixation that not only have they overstayed their welcome, they were never allowed to be intrusive, violent and filthy to begin with? They have (I’m sure) never been punished for anything they have done but rewarded in one form or another their whole lives. The removal of these never-do-wells is akin to a spoiled child finally being told he cannot have his way- somewhat emotionally satisfying but too little, too late.
RCGZ @ 8:00 pm, I don’t think so, as I would not want any of that crowd waiting for a chance to frag me.
felis corpulentis @ 9:51 has it right.
ET @ 10:44 “My worry is the agenda of the unions. They are in a war with the mayor and will do anything to destroy him and retain their power and control over the city’s budget.” This is exactly what is happening. Something similar to this is also happening in Saskatchewan with the SGEU and other government employee unions trying to cause as much trouble for Premier Wall as they can.
BTW ET, nice to read your stuff again.
ET
Who are the “other interest groups” behind Occupy Trawana..?…anybody I might know?
@ET.
“the new Toronto mayor, a conservative and anti-unionist who wants to reduce the size of the bureaucracy …”
Very insightful post. Just one point that many may have overlooked:
The biggest outlay in the city budget is the TTC. As the TTC expands, the size of the TTC bureaucracy expands too. One step forward, two steps backwards.
You guys are over thinking this….it’s just a bunch of leftarded kids pretending they’re a part of something that matters.
They saw Arab Spring and 60’s hippy crap on tv and now it’s their turn.
Meanwhile the silent majority stews. A Nixonian-style landslide is brewing in 2012.
Romney will have all three levels of government at his command and we’ll see some real solutions…finally.
ken – well said, and mostly dittos. My response to RCGZ was going to be “what do you have against our fine volunteers, to dump such crap on them.”
“what do you have against our fine volunteers, to dump such crap on them.” by C_Miner
Nothing of course. Its just that I am Swiss and tend to think that after a generation (or two) we would toughen the stock. Let them try and occupy Zurich, they’d be gone in 30 minutes and the sweepers would not work for the Government and they’d all have military service under their belts. Every able bodied male does.
RCGZ – ah, that is a different case. I must respectfully disagree though, if the “Occupy” groups were being sent into harms way I can see their units receiving higher losses as a result of them not doing their duty. IMHO the cost in good soldiers would not be worth the possible development of spines in a generation or two amongst the draftees.
ET,
You cover the issues quite nicely, and the driving force behind it all is the Unions as you point out. The wealthy Union leader Sid Ryan (the same anti-Semitic Sid Ryan who called for the firing of “all Jewish Professors in Canadian Universities” because of his Union’s support for the terrorist Hamas) was at the Occupy Toronto site again last night lending his support.
BTW, that anti-Semitic comment from Sid Ryan a couple years ago should have ended his Union career forever — careers are certainly ended for suggesting far more innocuous things — but Ryan simply got another high-paying job with another Union org and is back to subverting free democratic principles even worse than before.
Sid Ryan and his crew are costing taxpayers more in expensive legal fees to remove the occupiers, costing local businesses as much as 85% per cent losses during the pre-Christmas season, costing extra Policing and security, and the list goes on and on. And as you point out, I think another costly riot is quite probable.
I hate to say it, but no thanks to conservatives like Michael Coren, who repeatedly rose to Sid Ryan’s defence over the anti-Semitism issue (Coren was sincerely trying to be “objective” about free speech — but a little too “objective”, in my opinion) we still have the radical greedy powerful Unionist Ryan in our midst, slandering legitimate free market economics.
Sid Ryan is a member of the 1% percenters of the Upper Working Class — the highest paid and most privileged workers in Canada, if not on the entire planet. “Working class” like Sid Ryan make more money than many University professors. Certainly more than the Jewish Professors would have made if he had succeeded in firing them all for simply being Jewish.
And a personal suggestion to Sid Ryan: lose the Irish accent already! You’ve lived in Canada long enough to master English with a Canadian accent. Start acting like a Canadian instead of a foreign radical IRA implant pontificating against the successful economy of Canada while Ireland is on the verge of bankruptcy.
syncrodux – it’s primarily the unions. They are engaged in an enormous fight with the mayor who wants to reduce the city costs. Toronto’s bureaucracy, all unionized, all with salaries, benefits and pensions two to three times that of the private sector, has morphed in size over the last decade. It’s now the major burden on taxpayers and services have suffered as a result.
The TTC (public transportation) has many ticket-takers and others raking in over 6 figures in salary (never mind the benefits and pensions) per year; they get it via overtime. And the focus on employee benefits has meant that the infrastructure, ie, upkeep, repairs, new equipment has disappeared. The subway is a permanent mess, leaking roofs, escalators not working, broken walls, etc..while the ticket taker sits in his booth…for 5-6 figures per year.
Ford is trying to reduce the bloated bureaucracy and their ‘entitlements’ – and the union is waging war. After all, the union, as a parasitic enterprise, gets all of its income in dues from the workers. Their goal is to increase this income and therefore, to increase the size of the work force that they can be parasitic on.
The other key interest group are the natives, who are using the occupiers simply as a voice. They are even claiming that the entire park is ‘sacred native land’..which of course, begs the question as to how it came to be a city park in the first place and why these natives have never said a word about its sacred nature before…ah well.
But the occupiers, who do have trouble finding a cause (other than to advocate tax-the-rich and give us more)..have linked up with the Tamils, the Tibetans, the gays, lesbian, transgender movts, as well as the Union agenda vs the Mayor.
These losers present a powerful argument for mandatory military service.
Fascinating livestream…Bambi and Bloomsy are not doing well with the petulant park pariahs…
Oooohhh…light sabres….
So the children are playing make believe Lukeskywalker…..bid they bring their barbie dolls too?
Poor, stupid kids……or is that trust fund babies?
Live streaming self satire…ingenious!!!
What does occupying something have to do with free speech anyway? Isn’t free speech something you do with your tongue and your vocal chords, not with your ass — i.e. planting your rear-end down somewhere permanently and building a structure around it? Since when did squatting and free speech mean the same thing?
Worst_Anarchists_Ever
“AND TO TRY NOT TO BE REDUDANT WITH EACH OTHER”…And To Try Not To Be Redundant With Each Other…and to try not to be redundant with each other…
Exactly right, ricardo.
Free speech has zilch to do with occupying-a-space. Or with the right-to-assemble. But the Occupiers make that claim; they assert that when they assemble, they do so ‘in a space’ and thus, have the right to that space. What they ignore is that the space is not boned to the assemblage. Go assemble someplace else. AND, that ‘assembly’ does not mean ‘occupation’.
At any rate, the Occupiers in Toronto’s St. James park have been handed their eviction notices. They have a slew of ‘arguments’ claiming they have a right to occupy this public space. All of them specious and invalid, but…
The first problem is that the park is public and Toronto’s bylaws forbid overnight residency, tents, fires, blah blah.
They argue, if you can believe it, that the Charter’s freedom of speech and assembly is ‘fundamental’ and overrides the laws. Heh. No, it doesn’t.
The preamble to the Charter says: “Canada is founded upon principles that recognize the supremacy of God and the rule of law”. So there. Got that? ‘Supremacy of..the rule of law’.
And the fundamental freedoms are prefaced by section 1 which says that these freedoms are ‘subject…to such reasonable limits prescribed by law’. Heh. But that doesn’t stop the Occupiers from making their claim.
They’ve tried to declare that ‘it’s open to the public’ but private tents rebut that claim. They’ve tried to say that the right-to-assemble includes the domain. No, it doesn’t. I can’t assemble in the middle of a major highway and then claim that highway as my ‘domain’.
Now, they are saying that they can’t leave because they are housing many homeless and the Toronto shelters don’t have room for them. WHAT?
They’ve morphed from being a passionate voice against..whatever..and have now become an adjunct to the social services branch of the city? Since when?
What’s really happened in Toronto is that these hapless naive twits have been totally swallowed by the public unions. The unions moved in quickly to fund them, supply them with food, generators, tents, equipment etc. Why? Heh – there’s a reason.
The unions are engaged in a massive budget crunch fight with Toronto’s new mayor, Ford, who has sworn to reduce the devastating debts due to the demands of these public service unions. These unions provide jobs-for-life, with salaries, benefits and pensions two to three times that of the private sector. Ford is trying to reduce their control over Toronto’s finances and taxpayers. The unions have moved into this Occupation and want a riot.
They want Ford to evict the Occupiers via a riot. The G20 riots blamed Harper. The Unions want to Bash Ford by setting the stage of an Occupation Riot and inflame public opinion vs Ford. The socialists on City Council are hand-in-glove with the public unions, as well as the ubiquitous Toronto Star.
As for the naive Occupiers, who can’t seem to figure out what and why they are protesting, they don’t realize that they’ve become pawns for every power-hungry agenda around. The natives moved in and the Occupiers started to march around in favour of ‘Aboriginal gays, lesbians and transgenders’. Then there was a march for the Tamils and also, Tibetans. And another Native day. And – the Unions moved in as well.
They haven’t a clue – but I predict a riot for one reason. The unions want one.
ET
Nice to see you around again. I agree with most of what you said with one exception…these kids don’t have the parts for a decent riot.
I’ve been watching the live stream and the thing that strikes me is that these misguided souls have…NOTHING…Nothing…nothing.
I was down at the ‘occupy Calgary’ site this morning for a looksee. I went away unimpressed.
The people in NY seem to be more articulate,and cleaner.
The fun in NY is scheduled to start in about 45 minutes.
Good to see you ET.
Now they can go back to doing their drugs in their maggot infested basements. That is, of course, until they are evicted from there.
Refusing to work makes it difficult to pay the rent.
“These losers present a powerful argument for mandatory military service.”
Actually, these bozos need the army a lot more than the army needs them. Can you imagine what a boot camp full of these losers would be like? It’s amusing to imagine them getting their behinds booted by a drill sergeant, but trying to make anything out of them is a waste of the military’s scarce resources. Most of them would be rejected as completely unsuitable material for the Canadian military for any number of reasons.
” Loservision ” is right. He timed his break for 8p.m. when the action was supposed to start. That takes a keen mind.
The point the occupiers miss, which I’ll probably just be echoing what ET has stated, is that when a public provision is violated, no matter what the reason, without first obtaining a grant from the owners rep for an exclusive use provision, it matters little what the purpose was, the violator will be subject to whatever penalties result from the violation. In this case the owners representative at St. James would be city hall, in the name of the Corporation of the city of Toronto. The park is a public asset due to the fact that the corporation is in fact a publicly owned one. The tax payers being shareholders of the park in question have established rules for use as indicated in formally adopted by-laws. The city has this right as per the Municiple Act of Ontario which is authorized through lawful rights as assigned through the British North America Act of 1867 and still in force by virtue of the Constitution Act. The city, as most in Ontario, allows casual use of its public parks within these reasonable limits, the exception being when for special events, exclusive use provisions are allowed for such and the municipality can issue permits and licence for use and charge a fee for same.
The occupiers where and are still allowed per the reasonable limits stated in the bylaws to public use of the park, no one is taking that from them…..or anyone else for that matter.
The flaw in their argument is that they have not fully understood that freedom of speech does not include seizure or occupation of public property.
If they believe that the park is actually theirs to possess, be it as part of a lien for unpaid damages, then the proper venue for their argument is civil litigation, not the SCOC or an HRC tribunal.
I would predict however that such an action would become text book material for students of law school on how ruin a career or how to become a liberal politician.
wallyj
Yea…but he was exhausted from reporting for almost twenty hours…hhhhmmmmppphh.
These kids themselves may not be primed for a riot, but the Unions are bringing in people – who will foment, incite and take part in a riot.
I hope I’m wrong. I agree, in part, with a key concern of the Occupiers – the problem of the reduction of the fiscal and political power of the middle class. This is also the concern of the Tea Party. However, I totally reject the ‘Solutions’ proposed by the Occupiers, i.e., more taxes, more government, more spending. I’m a strong supporter of the Tea Party solutions.
But the Occupiers in Toronto don’t seem to realize that they and their concerns no longer exist. They’ve been swallowed by other Interest Groups who are using them to lobby for their own agendas.
There are the Natives, busy burning sacred fires in the park. It’s illegal to burn fires in public parks; you can call a cow a unicorn but it’s still a cow; you can call a fire ‘sacred’ but it’s still a fire. But the Natives have taken over much of the Will of these occupiers and so, as I’ve said, their once-a-week marches are filled with native agendas. [They only march in protest once a week; the rest of the time they play their guitars, dance, debate ‘why life exists’ and how great Marx is…]
And above all, there are the public service Unions who moved in right from the start. The unions have funded them almost totally and have enabled them to actually exist in that park. The agenda of the Unions is to Destroy the new Toronto mayor, a conservative and anti-unionist who wants to reduce the size of the bureaucracy, privatize a lot of city services and cut budgets.
The unions are, in my view, using this Occupation in the hopes of a massive riot. The locals and indeed many other citizens are complaining. After all, these people, regardless of the self-proclaimed nobility of their endeavour (they claim they want to change the world)…are breaking the law. If we ordinary jerks can’t break the law – then, why do they get away with it? Ahh…the nobility of their agenda…yes, yes, we know.
So, I think the Unions will, as they do at election times, call in their supporters to come down to the park and ‘protect the rights of the Noble’. We’ll see.
joseph – yes, your argument is accurate. But these occupiers are making several claims.
First, is that they are exercising their freedom of speech. Rebuttal to that: So what?
Go exercise it somewhere else.
Second, they claim that their right to assemble means that they claim the space on which they assemble. This is trickier. As a material being, I do indeed take up space. But, the occupiers are ignoring that, legally, my spatial occupation during my right-to-assemble is not static. I can assemble anywhere and can’t claim that I can only assemble in one area – that park.
And, as I’ve pointed out, they’ve misread or ignored the Charter. We live within the rule of law, not the words of men.
So, charming and noble words cannot overrule the law. Our laws are there to protect those people who can’t speak of such noble ideas, who don’t claim that they are going to change the world…they just want to sit in the park and watch the birds.
And their latest claim, apart from their misreading of the Charter and their asserting that their freedom of words trumps the law…is that they and their tents are acting as adjuncts to the city’s social services. They are sheltering the homeless and thus, can’t be moved. heh.
My worry is the agenda of the unions. They are in a war with the mayor and will do anything to destroy him and retain their power and control over the city’s budget.
How do you impress upon over-privileged brats with a quasi-Marx fixation that not only have they overstayed their welcome, they were never allowed to be intrusive, violent and filthy to begin with? They have (I’m sure) never been punished for anything they have done but rewarded in one form or another their whole lives. The removal of these never-do-wells is akin to a spoiled child finally being told he cannot have his way- somewhat emotionally satisfying but too little, too late.
RCGZ @ 8:00 pm, I don’t think so, as I would not want any of that crowd waiting for a chance to frag me.
felis corpulentis @ 9:51 has it right.
ET @ 10:44 “My worry is the agenda of the unions. They are in a war with the mayor and will do anything to destroy him and retain their power and control over the city’s budget.” This is exactly what is happening. Something similar to this is also happening in Saskatchewan with the SGEU and other government employee unions trying to cause as much trouble for Premier Wall as they can.
BTW ET, nice to read your stuff again.
ET
Who are the “other interest groups” behind Occupy Trawana..?…anybody I might know?
@ET.
“the new Toronto mayor, a conservative and anti-unionist who wants to reduce the size of the bureaucracy …”
Very insightful post. Just one point that many may have overlooked:
The biggest outlay in the city budget is the TTC. As the TTC expands, the size of the TTC bureaucracy expands too. One step forward, two steps backwards.
You guys are over thinking this….it’s just a bunch of leftarded kids pretending they’re a part of something that matters.
They saw Arab Spring and 60’s hippy crap on tv and now it’s their turn.
Meanwhile the silent majority stews. A Nixonian-style landslide is brewing in 2012.
Romney will have all three levels of government at his command and we’ll see some real solutions…finally.
ken – well said, and mostly dittos. My response to RCGZ was going to be “what do you have against our fine volunteers, to dump such crap on them.”
“what do you have against our fine volunteers, to dump such crap on them.” by C_Miner
Nothing of course. Its just that I am Swiss and tend to think that after a generation (or two) we would toughen the stock. Let them try and occupy Zurich, they’d be gone in 30 minutes and the sweepers would not work for the Government and they’d all have military service under their belts. Every able bodied male does.
RCGZ – ah, that is a different case. I must respectfully disagree though, if the “Occupy” groups were being sent into harms way I can see their units receiving higher losses as a result of them not doing their duty. IMHO the cost in good soldiers would not be worth the possible development of spines in a generation or two amongst the draftees.
ET,
You cover the issues quite nicely, and the driving force behind it all is the Unions as you point out. The wealthy Union leader Sid Ryan (the same anti-Semitic Sid Ryan who called for the firing of “all Jewish Professors in Canadian Universities” because of his Union’s support for the terrorist Hamas) was at the Occupy Toronto site again last night lending his support.
BTW, that anti-Semitic comment from Sid Ryan a couple years ago should have ended his Union career forever — careers are certainly ended for suggesting far more innocuous things — but Ryan simply got another high-paying job with another Union org and is back to subverting free democratic principles even worse than before.
Sid Ryan and his crew are costing taxpayers more in expensive legal fees to remove the occupiers, costing local businesses as much as 85% per cent losses during the pre-Christmas season, costing extra Policing and security, and the list goes on and on. And as you point out, I think another costly riot is quite probable.
I hate to say it, but no thanks to conservatives like Michael Coren, who repeatedly rose to Sid Ryan’s defence over the anti-Semitism issue (Coren was sincerely trying to be “objective” about free speech — but a little too “objective”, in my opinion) we still have the radical greedy powerful Unionist Ryan in our midst, slandering legitimate free market economics.
Sid Ryan is a member of the 1% percenters of the Upper Working Class — the highest paid and most privileged workers in Canada, if not on the entire planet. “Working class” like Sid Ryan make more money than many University professors. Certainly more than the Jewish Professors would have made if he had succeeded in firing them all for simply being Jewish.
And a personal suggestion to Sid Ryan: lose the Irish accent already! You’ve lived in Canada long enough to master English with a Canadian accent. Start acting like a Canadian instead of a foreign radical IRA implant pontificating against the successful economy of Canada while Ireland is on the verge of bankruptcy.
syncrodux – it’s primarily the unions. They are engaged in an enormous fight with the mayor who wants to reduce the city costs. Toronto’s bureaucracy, all unionized, all with salaries, benefits and pensions two to three times that of the private sector, has morphed in size over the last decade. It’s now the major burden on taxpayers and services have suffered as a result.
The TTC (public transportation) has many ticket-takers and others raking in over 6 figures in salary (never mind the benefits and pensions) per year; they get it via overtime. And the focus on employee benefits has meant that the infrastructure, ie, upkeep, repairs, new equipment has disappeared. The subway is a permanent mess, leaking roofs, escalators not working, broken walls, etc..while the ticket taker sits in his booth…for 5-6 figures per year.
Ford is trying to reduce the bloated bureaucracy and their ‘entitlements’ – and the union is waging war. After all, the union, as a parasitic enterprise, gets all of its income in dues from the workers. Their goal is to increase this income and therefore, to increase the size of the work force that they can be parasitic on.
The other key interest group are the natives, who are using the occupiers simply as a voice. They are even claiming that the entire park is ‘sacred native land’..which of course, begs the question as to how it came to be a city park in the first place and why these natives have never said a word about its sacred nature before…ah well.
But the occupiers, who do have trouble finding a cause (other than to advocate tax-the-rich and give us more)..have linked up with the Tamils, the Tibetans, the gays, lesbian, transgender movts, as well as the Union agenda vs the Mayor.