And will not only save you the $250,000 it takes to raise a child, but will prevent you from going to jail.
Men, seriously, get the snippity snip. The legal and financial risks just aren’t worth it. And to show you I was ahead of this game – from early 2009.
I joined Club V after a mere 750K. 🙂
This is why I quit going to the pub…too many gals and me without the resources to buy them all houses.
I say bullsh1t to that 250 K lie.
And besides that, people don’t have kids to save money . They have other reasons. But go ahead and enjoy your fictional quarter mil. I’m sure you’ll enjot sitting at your kitchen table counting and recounting your stash till the day you keel over and ….
After all, that’s what life is all about, isn’t it?
I got snipped after two . They are both a blessing . Much of that post is twisted logic at best . Not selfish ? Yeah right .
Bill D. Cat
I had this bud who got snipped after two and finished up with four…turned out he was only half of the equation…go figure…
On behalf of the rest of the genetic pool, I’d like to thank Captain BS for getting that vasectomy.
You are a sad waste of skin, Captain, if you forgone children for a bit of comfort and a wad of cash. I spend everything I earn to bring up the kids and we are a happy bunch and best friends, screw me if I’ll ever try to calculate how much that is in $$.
If it cost me $750K, then it was worth every penny.
P.S. make sure you tell my kids I wrote that. I’m hoping for a really nice present in a couple of days. 😉
Men, seriously, get the snippity snip.
Captain, seriously, MYOFB. You have a right to do whatever you want to YOUR body, you don’t have a right to tell me what to do with mine.
I’m a responsible adult who has always used appropriate protection. I have no un-planned children and no STDs.
I have no doubt that nutering is the approptiate action for some people who like to get drunk and can’t control their urges drunk or sober. Don’t assume it’s best for everyone. I’ll make my own responsible decisions, thank you and FO.
Well…look at that..Lloyd and Aaron speak up. Lloyd because he reviles CC like Tommy Douglas reviled the tards and Aaron because he’s at least as emotional as Sally Fields…nice.
Hey isn’t the white race heading for extinction fast enough for you Captain? LOL
syncro,
Trust me on this one . Mine worked .
Can’t say all the offsprings were exactly planned, but am grateful for all of them. I don’t know how they figure costs but – take it from one who has been there – you cut your coat to fit your cloth. I could do wonders with chicken and ground beef, extracurricular activities were those we found affordable (Scouts/Guides during the year, swimming lessons before we went off camping to a lake we knew), and – for a few really great years – clothing purchases were limited to racks with ‘special’ or sale’. In later years, as the offsprings were earning money, I seriously capped my clothing contribution so there were scenes where offspring – at shop – was visibly debating whether a much-longed-for piece of clothing was really worth the hundreds of fliers delivered or the hours of babysitting performed. Shocked the clerks, but the kids understood.
We now have great, hard-working adults in the family. It’s a new dynamic – especially with grandbabies on the horizon – but we wouldn’t have missed the adventure of having children for the world.
Just saying you think that you would make a terrible father is enough to excuse you (not sure why you need to explain). Implying economic and time restrictions as rational reasons is irrational. It is a wonder and great privilege to raise a child and fulfills and rounds out a soul. Of course it is hard, risky and expensive but if all is well, the love, fun and joy wipes out any memory of the testing moments of the process.
Bill D. Cat
So did my bud’s…He ended up with all four kids and raised them all much like Frances…odd eh?
I went under the knife after 3. The plan was for 2, but we ended up with twins. Worth every penny, every late night, every bump, every fever, every call from the principal, every gold medal, every snotty girlfriend, every wrecked car, every failed test, every graduation, every late night call for a ride, and even every missed family meal. I was a bit like the Captain when I was very young, but I’m glad I didn’t take it to the extreme he did. I’m surprised he found a doctor willing to do the surgery.
As for the spanking angle of the story, I did spank my kids a few times, and regret every one. I wish I’d had better parenting skills. I’m convinced it can be done without spanking, I just wasn’t smart enough to figure it out.
Got mine done in Ottawa 1982 fo $200.00….
Years ago, I read about a court case where the wife of a guy who’d had a vasectomy became pregnant. She insisted it was his. DNA tests proved it was his. He sued the doctor for the cost of raising the child. The judge threw it out of court, saying the cost of raising a child was more than offset by the joy of fatherhood. At the very least, there was a case there for medical malpractice, but surgical consent forms are so broad, almost anything bad that happens is not compensable.
250000? Those would have to be some pretty spoiled kids. Even if you include the cost of 4 years of university, I would have to say that figure is off by about 100000. Why don’t we see more bachelors living in grand houses and driving fancy cars?
That’s the highest ROI I’ve ever seen.
N
That’s so profound…tell me more..
What the hell is wrong with ME?? I paid for a kid the old fashioned way – I adopted one! $30K later and now I’m doing it again. Beside the damaged child from an orphanage with anger issues and neediness, we’re adopting a little girl with potential mental illness. Damn, but I must one stupid Mofo 🙂
The costs of raising kids are not imaginary you simple minded trolls.
As a parent of two 20 somethings …. average direct costs per each = $10k per year.
In my case … add in a cool 600 thousand to possibly more than a million bucks in lost opportunities because I put my children ahead of my career.
Frankly I do not give a rats ass what anyone thinks about it …. I’d have raised more if I had the energy to deal with it … same goes for my wife.
OMMAG
I like to think that a lot of folks make sacrifices in their lives for their kids…I would even like to believe that most folks who have kids wanted them…somewhere in between is the is.
N
What do most gals do?
O.K. that’s helpful…
Howz about use their sexuality where and whenever possible?
re: the parent fined for spanking her child.
Just a few days ago, the National Post carried an excerpt from the book In Defence of Flogging, which posits that we would be better off bringing back the lash for non-violent criminals who are unlikely to re-offend, as opposed to locking them up at great expense.
My father spanked us as children; not often (mostly, he made us sit on stairs in time-out), and not cruelly, but it was enough to make us stop doing what we were doing wrong.
When I was about 12, he told me he wasn’t going to spank me any more. He explained it like this – there are three kinds of discipline: universal discipline (putting your hand on a hot stove), self discipline (when you stop yourself from putting your hand on the stove), and “other people” discipline, where Mom smacks you on the arm when you reach for the stove. When I was young, I needed other people discipline because I didn’t fully understand the consequences of my actions, and the punishment that universal discipline would hand out for misdeeds (climbing on the school roof to retrieve baseballs) are usually severe (broken arms, etc.). After that discussion, punishments were usually financial – no allowance – or freedom – getting grounded. They worked pretty effectively.
Yes…think like a man and look like a babe…simple eh?
N
You come dangerously close to the truth…totally by accident…very nice.
Make sure to start the fire with a stick and a rock.
Well then…liquid Indian it is…
They say painless … it ain’t. It’s more than “slight discomfort”.
a BTW: About 20 years after you get it done you will start to lose your hair (except of course, in your nose and ears).
It is a natural instinct to want to procreate. You don’t do it, and your genes die off. Thus I am not sure what to make of this discussion or the Captain’s suggestion.
Can evolutionary instincts be bent by societal attitudes to the extent that the the human race ends up making decisions that lead to its extinction? Who knows.
That said, fathers usually get badly burned in divorce courts so I can see why some men are not interested in having kids.
You have to work harder today as a parent. Life isn’t as simple as it used to be, and there are far more negative forces competing for your kids attention than existed in the past. Still, the rewards outweigh the work and the cost.
Not having children I cannot comment on the worth of the joy of fatherhood.
But I can comment on the worth of the joy of have no kids at 29 (my parents had 3 kids aged 4,5 and 7 at that age). I sit on my patio smoking a cigar enjoying a scotch, I spend a weekend with my wife riding our motorcycles, we spend a weekend evening doing nothing or we spend a Thursday out at a nice dinner with friends. I’m planning a 6000km solo motorcycle trip later this summer, my wife is preparing to finish her two BSc’s.
Its an interesting problem and I’ve discussed it with my father a few times over a scotch. My wife and I are doing most things my parents dreamed of in their 20/30’s, while they where busy working 2 jobs (each sometimes) feeding and sheltering us monsters. They are happy for us and proud of what me and my bothers have achieved thanks to them (degrees, careers, homes) but yet wonder where the grandchildren are.
A couple little hybrids of my wife and I brought up in our image to fight the tide of never ending stupidity, yet saddled with the crushing debts of my and previous generations debts.
Is it more selfish to want children to carry on my name/values/genetic material (and pay the bill, change your diapers and love you despite your ungraceful fall into old age) or to spend my life as my own? To claim that no having kids is selfish while somehow claiming having kid’s isn’t is dishonest.
If you doubt the Captains 250k number your either delusional or financially incompetent. I’d wager its low when you consider the opportunity costs of that money and your time. 10K a year seems reasonable as a average outflow in cash (food, larger home, minivan, sports, school, blah blah) then add even only 2 years of lost salary because you didn’t take that promotion that requires a move, or didn’t finish that degree or even just invest that 10k at 5% to discover all that lost opportunity, and your at or over 250k pretty easily.
People don’t like when others apply basic finical methods to their emotional choices. If your kids are worth more than 250k, good for you, but someone without kids needs to consider the joy they get out of 250k and wonder what joy 250k brings.
That is way to much future thinking for a Friday night, I think I’ll go back to my scotch and consider another Cuban…
N you seem to be drunk. Why my post warranted a “piss off” is beyond me. So piss off to you too.
N
obtuse, vacuous and drunk…very…very..nice.
N: Your kids may being you joy, that doesn’t change the fact they have cost you money and time.
And to the cold hard truth of the world, joy doesn’t have value (as in it can be traded). It only has value (to you) in what you’ve given up to attain it. The statement “it was worth it” is the expression of that, the smile of a sons face is worth the hundreds of thousands of dollars of wealth you’ve given up to attain said smile.
To claim that the discussion is dumb, is being dishonest and assuming that something you consider ‘priceless’ is something that have a value so high it cannot be measure’s rather than something that have no trade value thus cannot be priced.
I’m glad I had my kids 35 – 40 years ago. Things have changed so much in the interum. Now you can’t discipline, you can’t even instill in them your values if they’re different from the “values” of the social workers.
And they wonder why the kids grow up to be spoiled, entitlement-minded, irresponsible whiners and hockey hooligans.
N
Just now.
N: My bloodline? In that I’m so how superior to others because of my bloodline? Yet its the people without kids being egotistical…
Any evidence that the world is a or will be a better place because you have contributed (at random) 50% of your dna to creating a future tax payer? I’d argue the gain to society is gained from the warm body not the bloodline, adoption from the 3rd world does the same to help our societies future. But again the ones not breeding are the selfish ones…
I may or may not have children in the future, it doesn’t change the fact that children cost money. Or that society is making the cost of children even higher.
If I don’t have kid’s I’ll enjoy spending your kids tax dollars and the tax dollars of the immigrants who take my non-children’s place. Of course this goes against my political desire that we not redistribute wealth, but a$$holes keep having kids AND demanding their entitlements so the problem is never going away.
Enjoy the decline…
Why did we get off on whether to have or not to have the big V. For full disclosure, I did after daughter number three.
I think you are all burying the lede. What Captain does with his”willie” is his choice. In this posting the question I have, why is this mother losing her kids for a spanking. Give me an effing break
250k my ass. If I didn’t have my three wonderful kids I wouldn’t have worked nearly as hard as I do to provide for them and my wife who stays home with them. I have no respect for DINC’s (dual-income-no-children). you are selfish and that’s it, you have no stake in the future of the nation, of your neighborhood, of anything, and it would be appropriate if you had no say either.
Colin: Is it selfish to want your own kids rather than adopt?
If its about stake in the future, the nation or the neighborhood, then surely bloodline is not important.
Kettle meet Pot.
So where do you figure that puts you?
vacuously speaking…
Nuff said…
I never claimed my choices are not selfish, but for anyone to claim their own choices are not also selfish is just dishonest.
And I’ve never claimed that having kids is bad or wrong, I just backed that its a poor financial decision.
To duffman:
You said “bloodline is not important.”
That’s rather simplistic. I take it you have not studied much science.
To N: No apologies necessary and no offence taken. Sorry for saying you were drunk.
N
Time to grow up then eh?