Update: I blame Sarah Palin. (h/t Robert W.)
But they will, anyway.
(Original post updated @ 7:26pm)
As might be expected, the net is way ahead of the news guys. Via twitter a photo of Jared Loughner.
Another video.
h/t Orlin
Update: I blame Sarah Palin. (h/t Robert W.)
But they will, anyway.
(Original post updated @ 7:26pm)
As might be expected, the net is way ahead of the news guys. Via twitter a photo of Jared Loughner.
Another video.
h/t Orlin
You know what, Cam, a few comments up, is right. I shouldn’t have even brought it up I’m sorry. Especially since I was fighting an uphill battle from the beginning on this website. Oz, can we at least agree that this was a terrible tragedy, and that the authorities should make sure this never happens to ANY politician, left or right?
You know what, Cam, a few comments up, is right. I shouldn’t have even brought it up I’m sorry. Especially since I was fighting an uphill battle from the beginning on this website. Oz, can we at least agree that this was a terrible tragedy, and that the authorities should make sure this never happens to ANY politician, left or right?
“I would rather Sarah Palin learn from her mistakes and change her misguided views.”
Hubris thy name is Ed.
a nine year old girl died there today
On the CTV news tonight in the intro for the shooting the second line was……. “she was on the Sarah Palin hit list”……..
I’m ashamed
Wow Oz, I’ve backed down, but you just HAD to get the last word, huh?
Cam is right. I truly apologize for dragging politics into the whole tragedy. (Although I certainly was not the first to do so, on this website and elsewhere.
Back in September 08 Obama said “I want you to argue with them, get in their face”. In June 08 Obama said, “If they bring a knife to the fight we bring a gun”.
I blame Obama.
Given the image posted at the top of the page, no, Ed, you certainly weren’t the first. You’ve got nothing to apologize for.
“I would rather Barak Obama learn from his mistakes and change his misguided views.”
Actually, Ed, I had composed that last quote before your 3 posts.(including saying it was a tragedy the first time)
As I said upthread, just calling Loughner crazy isn’t an adequate push-back to answer the Left’s initial accusations that it was the Tea party that caused the shooting today.
No quarter.
(this isn’t a Glee Club, it’s a political blog)
The shooter was nuts. I only got through 1:13 of the youtube video as that was all I needed to see to make a diagnosis of psychosis. Now all that we need to find out is whether he was bipolar and manic, a paranoid schizophrenic or in a drug induced delerium. The level of organization in carrying out the attack suggests mania or paranoid schizophrenia although amphetamine psychosis is certainly possible.
Of course schizophrenics always hear their TV’s talking directly to them and I’m sure statists are going to blame this on “anti-government” patriots. Interesting that we have yet another self-identified leftist going out and killing people. Now if he really wanted to kill a lot of people he would have stolen a hummer, filled it with gasoline cannisters and driven it at full speed into the crowd. Too bad no-one with a CCW was able to take him down after he got off the first shot.
Ed,
The first reports on the JFK assassination called Lee Harvey Oswald a right-winger.
I do not know if this person is the shooter, but I do not understand what he is talking about. (I am interested to see what kind of person would do this, some morbid curiosity I suppose.) However, as someone a bit more on the left then the right (depends on the topic though) I want to say a few things. It seems to me that most people as far as politics go are similar to me and are “in the middle” as the saying goes. We all need to remember that politics isn’t what this act is about (I wouldn’t care if the guy did this act because of something he saw on tv by the right), this act is about violence. While I hope that the hate speech on both side dies down we need to realize that “why” this guy did this doesn’t matter. I would like to see more thought put into politics (things like associating gun cross hairs with people isn’t appropriate – Just learned about that by Sarah Palin). BOTH sides need to remember that there are crazy people out there, and pretend every time they are on camera that someone out there CAN take them literally and modify their behavior appropriately. (Sarah was just used as an example I am not suggesting there aren’t others out there that I have no knowledge of nor am I suggesting that it might not be on both sides of politics, as I do not know.)
Anyway, I would like to take a moment and ask that everyone remember that why he did what he did is not relevant. All of us need to band together against violence, show respect for those that lost their lives and give warm thoughts of hope for those that were injured, and not forget that not agreeing with our neighbors is no reason for hate or finger pointing.
Well worth watching
This guy was a lazy psychopath. He could not be bothered to go assasinate his political enemy (he had no idea who they might have been anyway), so he simply went out and shot his local senator and anyone who might have been around.
He had no idea what he stood for.
“Too many people get caught up in the noise of everyday life and become oblivious to the true symphony of what life is really all about.”
I’m not a particularly religious person but something very profound moved me when I learned that the little girl who died, Christina Greene, was born on September 11, 2001.
Am I wrong or is there an important message and wake-up call in this tragedy for all of us?
“Too many people get caught up in the noise of everyday life and become oblivious to the true symphony of what life is really all about.”
I’m not a particularly religious person but something very profound moved me when I learned that the little girl who died, Christina Greene, was born on September 11, 2001.
Am I wrong or is there an important message and wake-up call in this tragedy for all of us?
http://www.kidk.com/news/national/113148689.html
Deep down the left doesn’t really blame Palin. In the end its always Bush’s fault.
This animal who kills children, is not crazy, just an evil insecure man. Who to enlarge his self love decided he had the right to take others lives for his ego.
JMO
I don’t agree that Tarek Fatah wants to advance sharia. After reading his book and reading his articles I really think he is a moderate muslim. However, it seems to me that on other subjects his views are similar to the opinions of many left-wing guys. And he jumps to conclusions.So although I respected and still respect his opinions regarding things connected with Islam, I do not really respect his views on other subjects.
I agree that Palin is neither “poor” OR,” defenseless, ” however she is a victim of MSM smears. In similiar situation MSM would have never published such a vicious articles about democratic politicians or a democratic party. IMHO the articles, like the one written by Krugman and published by NYT, are not only vicious but ugly, very ugly.
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the Tea Party is …a conservative-minded political tool, and a pawn of multinational corporations to weaken government power so that they can dominate the American working class.
Ed, you forgot to add “puppet of neo-cons” , “dupe of war-minded defence-industrial complex” and “suckers of imperialists”
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* I know one should not feed trolls(=Ed), but I just couldn’t resists*
“take a moment and ask that everyone remember that why he did what he did is not relevant”
“Posted by: tts at January 9, 2011 1:51 AM”
You have to be kidding right?
We most certainly do need to know why and how he came to these conclusions. We need to know, so we can help other people just like him before they do this kind of thing again. That is why we have history…to learn from our past, learn the good and the bad.
Your feelings of kumbiya are nice and warm and fuzzy, but those thoughts will get you dead real quick in this world. Get your head out of your a$$!
Loughner was an atheist, had no moral center of gravity, making him a parasite (which all atheist are) feeding off their host and consuming the “good stuff”. Now that he has lost his morality, he did what he thought best and just tried to kill those with whom he had the grievance with, the closest governmental authorities in his area. He became a law unto himself, the highest in the pecking order. He was totally justified within his new belief system. A lost soul, may his redemption be near.
@ tts
If someone is crazy (= mentally ill) it doesn’t make any(repeat, any) difference what someone say or not say. If he/she has paranoia then she/he can imagine strange things irregardless of what one or the other politician say. The worlds which politician use have nothing at all to do with what she/he will ultimately do.
Their mental processes are just too different.
glacierman
Not all atheists are parasites, like not all conservatives are hard workers. Perhaps most, but not all.
How predictable:
A tragedy occurs and out pops Alex & company dancing with glee over to the conservative blogs hoping they can somehow tie this to “Conservative thought”.
Hope this is making your day Alex. Maybe next time they’ll get a few more kids so that you can really try and rub it in some faces, eh?
Sorry ED – When Bush was in the Whitehouse it was the Liberal Democratic Left that was claiming a Nazi government conspiracy. You can’t tie conspiracy ideologies up with any particular brand of politics. You either trust the government or you don’t. 9 times out of 10 if you didn’t elect them, you don’t.
Thank youh for your comments, ella, you are entirely right.
I was watching Fox News tonight, and when Brett Baier, or whatever his name is, kept selling the line that “as of now it’s an open mystery” as to the motive is, I wanted to throw a heavy object at the TV.
You wrote:
“If (someone who is crazy/mentally ill) has paranoia, then she/he can imagine strange things regardless of what one politician or another says.”
What bugs me is that, deep down, people *know* this, but they just can’t resist scoring empty political points on the occasion of the tragic deaths of innocent people.
Ed: ” … because of the Tea Party he was convinced that the government was going to take away all freedom and that the only solution is violence and domestic terrorism …”
Oh yeah? Well, if I lived in the U.S., I’d be convinced that Obama’s government was going to take away all of my and my children’s freedoms, but I would never put forward “violence and domestic terrorism” as the only solution. (I might decide to join a group of people who agreed with me … like, the Tea Party.)
This reasoning is bordering on the dangerously lunatic.
For many in the States, who are convinced that the Obamessiah’s agenda is madness, their solution has been to join the Tea Party, which is not a violent or terrorist group. The Tea Party is a legitimate, grass-roots coming together of individuals to propose alternative programs to those of the Obama-led government. The Tea Party is a bona fide element of the democratic process in the U.S. — and to suggest that U.S. citizens shouldn’t form groups like this because they might incite violence or domestic terrorism is tantamount to political blackmail: Don’t push back, folks, because something violent might happen.
This attitude is ubiquitous on the Left toward Islamist terrorist assaults: Stand back, folks, don’t offend them, or something bad might happen.
It’s clear that Ed has no respect for the democratic process. He’s clearly a lay-down, surrender-monkey: Hey, if people feel in any way threatened (especially from “the Right”), they’ll legitimately (sic) resort to violence and terrorism — and that’s perfectly understandable.
Now, that’s what’s truly scary.
Descent into Leftist Nihilism, aka PET Cemetery.
Michelle Malkin has “no credibility”, eh?
Words such as the following cause leftists to evade/avoid/avert:
Left-liberalism/socialism + Islam = death cults.
“Nobody gave anyone “counseling” back then in the matter of death and dying, and nobody seemed to need it.”
“Anyone who grows up in the Third World is exposed early to the sight of death.”
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“The Old Bethel Temple”
“When I was growing up, Manila was a haunted city. The scars of the Second World War were still everywhere in evidence. There were shrapnel marks on public benches. Every now and again new construction would unearth a set of skeletons, which was only to be expected in a city that suffered more civilian casualties than either Hiroshima or Nagsaki. The bodies were everywhere. They would never find them all. Not far from where I lived, a group of men from the provinces, believers in some strange occult faith, charged police demanding land reform. They were wearing amulets that they thought conferred immunity to bullets. They were wrong. Thirty three men belonging to the Lapiang Malaya died just down the street. Not that it bothered me.
Anyone who grows up in the Third World is exposed early to the sight of death. I remember finding a man dead early one morning on the street as I was heading off to my fourth grade class. The man had electrocuted himself while trying to steal electric wire. I knocked on the nearest door and asked the householder to call the cops and went straight to school, ate my lunch and went right back home to watch Gunsmoke or something. School itself had a chapel where a plaque marked the spot where 70 people, including 16 German and Italian religious, were bayoneted by the Japanese. It didn’t bother anyone because in our childlike faith, we assumed they were all in heaven, together with the heroes of Bataan and Corregidor. Nobody gave anyone “counseling” back then in the matter of death and dying, and nobody seemed to need it.
As I grew older I decided to find out a little more about the backstory of these Manila mysteries. That eventually led me to visit the remnants of the cults based in Calamba, Laguna and to descend into the “holy” caverns of the mysterious sects which are burrowed into the side of Mt. Banahaw, an extinct volcano, which I did at 3 pm on a Good Friday, naturally. The caverns were lit at intervals by stumps of candles, by whose fitful light you could read as you grasped the guide ropes in tunnels no wider than a couple of feet, the mysterious inscriptions in pig-Latin, decorated with occult symbols. What the inscriptions meant, God only knew. I never divined the tenets of that faith, though I spoke to many a survivor. They spoke in riddles.”
http://pajamasmedia.com/richardfernandez/2011/01/08/the-old-bethel-temple/#comments
Jay Forbes and Ed say that the killer wanted a gold standard. They need to look at all his videos. His thoughts on ” currency ” are wildly irrational. Here’s a sample from his video:
“Every human who’s mentally capable is always able to be treasurer of their new currency ”
then ( next screen ),
” If you’re able to create one new currency, then you’re able to create a second new currency.
If you’re able to create second new currency then you’re able to create third new currency.
You create one new currency.
Thus, you’re able to create a third currency. ”
next screen
” You’re a treaurer for a new currency, listener?
You create and distribute your new currency,
listener?
You don’t allow the government to control your
grammar structure, listener? ”
ED, and Jay, taken all together, Loughner’s writings on ” currency ” are incoherent. ( At least, I have never heard gold standard activists say anything remotely like the above. )
No way you can conclude he is an advocate of a gold standard, or even what he means by the term ” currency”.
Glacierman, obviously your thinking is as slow and frozen as your moniker. Please explain why people like myself, ET and many others on this site are parasites because we are atheists and what is this “good stuff” you are babbling about.
“Loughner was an atheist, had no moral center of gravity, making him a parasite (which all atheist are) feeding off their host and consuming the “good stuff”
“Loughner was an atheist, had no moral center of gravity, making him a parasite (which all atheist are) ”
That’s quite the generalization and a load of self-righteous bullsh!t there glacierman. This has nothing to do with religion/atheism. Look up schizophrenia!
Perhaps Alex, Ed and others could explain something.
If Sarah Palin is to blame because of the target she put over Rep. Giffords’ district, why did Loughner shoot the judge, the little girl and all the others? Where and when were they targeted?
Loughner, and no one else, is responsible for yesterday and I hope that he is prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law and gets the most severe penalty possible.
The progressive left are borderline retards these days, blaming Palin for this whackjobs just takes the cake. I see the progressive trolls out in force trying to deflect the truth, the kid was a marxists anarchists leftwing flake, stir the pot in whatever direction you wish but he’s still alive and he’ll make those progressive seething with hate anti-tea party eat their words.
I will type slowly so ChrisMB, dave and ella can comprehend what I said in the context of the post earlier.
The atheist mindset is devoid of morals other than the ones which they absorb from their host, which is from the community where they reside. It is a parasitic relationship. “When is Rome, do as the Romans” is a classic example of mindset of moral code of those who no belief in God, which is whom we get our morals from.
That is what I meant by that statement. You can disagree and call it self-righteousness all you want, but spend a little time thinking about it and then try and “prove” my statement wrong, otherwise please retract your insults, for I was merely trying to give a reason why Loughner was not God fearing, which is usually associated with those on the right.
This nutcase’s ramblings about currency and gov’t control sound like someone who has paid too much attention to ‘Prison Planet’,which is a favourite amongst the conspiracy whackos.
Therefore I put Alex Jones at the top of the list for accomplice,way ahead of Sarah Palin. Wow,that was pretty easy,I think I’ll go troll the left-wing websites.
Kathryn, you want me to explain why something you made up is true? Yeah, that makes sense. Do the words “straw man argument” have any meaning to you? Or to anyone else here, for that matter?
Since the shooter was 22 and still lived with his parents, under Obama care, that qualifies him as a child. Should he try to get the case into juvenile court?
frozen-testicles: if you think anyone gets their morals from a god, you’re a fool. that’s all that needs be said on that subject.
So, Glacierman, “Loughner was not God fearing, which is usually associated with those on the right”?
You might have missed talk in the past about some political advocates in the states named things like “Christian or Religious Right”, “The Moral Majority”, “Christian Voice”, “Christian Coalition of America” or “The Fellowship”. All firmly in the “right” side of the political spectrum.
You also might have missed the point that most hard “left” political positions, such as communism, socialism, etc…., don’t really adhere to specific religious doctrine, as in they are the ones that don’t believe in god(s).
The concept of religion being the “opiate of the masses” did not come from the “right” side of the spectrum.
Hmmm,I just went to the ‘prison planet’ website and found this little gem, ” Whether or not Jared Lee Loughner acted alone is being investigated by officials. A second suspect in the shootings is still being sought. However, Loughner’s obsession with mind control is confirmed and given the historical connection between such events and the use of Manchurian candidates, nothing can be ruled out at this stage.”
This is from an article that tells us about the CIA and thier mind control experiments and assserts that Sirhan Sirhan was likely hypnotized when he was shooting. Alex Jones obsesses on gov’t control,banksters(his term),and obviously mind control. He jumps way ahead of Sarah Palin and the tea party in my book.
http://www.prisonplanet.com/arizona-assassin-obsessed-with-mind-control.html
The followers of ‘peison planet’also speak of ‘false flag’ operations. Alex,Ed,care to respond,or did I just kick your sacred cow.
So Alex, where do you get your morals from? Did you just think them up one afternoon while sipping on a bourbon?
So frozen-nuts, where do you get your language from? Did you just think it up one afternoon while sipping on a bourbon?
“communism, socialism, etc…., don’t really adhere to specific religious doctrine,
Posted by: mitchel44 at January 9, 2011 11:23 AM”
And those political entities have also killed more of their citizenry than any “religious wars or religious conflicts”, targeting them because of their religious beliefs. Do Pol Pot, Stalin, Mao, Hitler, all atheists, ring a bell?
Where was their moral code?
More specifically, do you agree with what they did?
Alex, I have obviously hit a nerve. Please be specific, how did you come to the conclusions as to how and where you got your morals from.
Frozen-nuts, I have obviously hit a nerve. Please be specific, how did you come to the conclusions as to how and where you got your language from.
Alex, do you want to comment? or just take up bandwidth?
Otherwise go troll somewhere near the bottom of the pond where you are more comfortable with your natural surroundings.
Posted by: glacierman at January 9, 2011 11:44 AM
Good point, gm. The only exception to morals coming from a religion would be islam, whereas anytime you find a self-detonation or decapitation it is usually preceded by the words “allah akbar”.
But maybe that, too, is indicative of the “morals” associated with that “religion”.
alex, we’re breathlessly awaiting your answer to gm’s question. Will you respond, or evade, and troll on?
mhb23re
at gmail d0t calm
Frozen-nuts, I’m sorry that you’re unable to answer such a simple question. Obviously my initial assessment was correct. I apologize if I’ve made your brain hurt.
People
Please don’t feed trolls, such as Alex.
mhb, even Islam was written as a collection of the accounts from the Torah, which he gleaned from Mohamed’s 8 or 9 yr old child-bride and favourite wife, a Jewish Bedouin girl, Aisha. No doubt the time he spent with her greatly influenced the stories which are recorded in the Quaran are the childlike recollections of those texts.