Angela Merkel, addressing her Christian Democratic Union party:
“We don’t have too much Islam, we have too little Christianity. We have too few discussions about the Christian view of mankind,” she said to applause from the hall.
Germany needs more public discussion “about the values that guide us (and) about our Judeo-Christian tradition,” she said. “We have to stress this again with confidence, then we will also be able to bring about cohesion in our society.”
Nein. Das ist verboten:
Her party looks set to pass a resolution Tuesday stressing that German culture has Judeo-Christian roots, an idea that critics say aims to marginalize Islam.
The woman is clearly advocating a Nazi resurgence. She must be silenced!
Finally some more evidence common sense returning to Europe.
Government does not have a right to dictate or influence culture. This silly resolution is pointless at best. All the more so against the backdrop of German wealth being used to prop up Greek socialism.
Face slapped by reality.
Critics are worried that she’s marginalizing Muslims? Not too worry critics. It’s the one thing Muslims are quite accomplished at doing themselves.
Yes, she should be whipped like a dog for trying to marginalize the 1.5 billion exponentially growing Muslims of the world.
With a stick no bigger than Andre the Giant’s thumb enshalla……………….
How delicious. She followed that up by saying:
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she further went on to say that:
“Secular schools can never be tolerated because such schools have no religious instruction, and a general moral instruction without a religious foundation is built on air; consequently, all character training and religion must be derived from faith.”
Clearly a very intelligent, god-fearing woman.
What’s up with the “god fearing” thing that so many people think as some sort of attribute?
I suppose allot of people dig that, a little like watching a Jason Friday the 13th movie.
I just don’t get why Jason becomes the hero of the story.
Different strokes for different folks I suppose.
It sounds almost like pandering or desperation.
Europe has arrived at the brink. Liberalism, specifically liberal atheism, has withered away values that made Europe livable. Now Europe has been savaged by the effects of liberal atheism. As Mark Steyn said, there is a stench of decay about Europe and the Muslims smell it. So, too, has Merkel. Of course Germany should return to its roots. It’s just curious to see the upswing now.
Wasn’t Angela Merkel a godless heathen when she was a big shot in the Communist government of East Germany during the cold war?
How do you say in German:
“Oops! I goofed. Oh well, après moi, le déluge. Ta ta, suckers!”
Knight99 and Osumashi Kinyobe: Angele Merkel did NOT say what Alex claimed she said.
As for you, Alex DO NOT falsely attribute Adolf Hitler’s statements to real (existing) people. Leaving aside the dishonesty of it, it’s a pathetic and lazy excuse for an “argument.”
Yeah, you’re right, it would suck having all your dittoheads unknowingly agreeing with Hitler’s statements, wouldn’t it? Pretty bad publicity. Luckily you managed to nip it in the bud before any more suckers fell for it.
FYI, both of those statements are from the same source. Might want to “redact” the second one, too.
Any expression of distaste for the Islamization of Western Culture is Nazism. It must be silenced!
I’m not the one doing the silencing here. Nice try, though.
On the contrary, I’m happy to let her speak. This kind of fanaticism only servers to further alienate the general public. Hitler might have used similar rhetoric, but he also had a few advantages which she’s missing.
Hitler had a mustache! OMG, I have a mustache too! I must be just like Hitler!
/godwin
She’s a courageous woman for stating the obvious, which is a sad statement on Western society.
Actually, it was Alex quoting and agreeing with Hitler that highlighted the lefty lovefest.
Not so bright, but take credit for some intellectual trap he will. sigh 🙁
Such is the nature of the dark side.
I am confused, EBD. Did she not say:
“We don’t have too much Islam, we have too little Christianity. We have too few discussions about the Christian view of mankind,” she said to applause from the hall.”
That is what I was referring to (like I care what Alex said).
Angela Merkel’s friends probably know her as a fascinating person for her views.
Her father was that rarest of all things,
an enthusiastic Communist who rose high in the Party, and a devout Christian (Lutheran I believe).
She by profession is a chemical physicist or computational chemist.
I detect more Mark Steyn in Merkel’s remarks than the Austrian corporal…..
Patriotism and nationalism are only bad words to lefties…..it clashes with their global agenda…
Alex/Dan Keller are self appointed spokesmen for the masses…….SOP for lefties…….
When push came to shove British nationalism/patriotism defeated German nationalism/patriotism (which had atrophied much like France’ after WW1). The USSR swiftly harnessed nationalism/patriotism because political allegiance just didn’t cut it.
The Russians to this very day refer to WW2 as “THE GREAT PATRIOTIC WAR”.
No, you’re not silencing anything here, Alex, except the truth: You knowingly, deliberately, and with forethought attributed to a living politician a statement made by Adolf Hitler.
You’re a liar. But then, you know that.
It is refreshing to hear her say truthful things such as this that need to be said, rather than her usual climate change silliness. The rise of liberal secularism in Europe has created a spiritual void that the secularists don’t even realize exists. It makes them easy prey for Muslim fundamentalists to either convert… or intimidate & kill (they’re equally OK with either result).
As much as Merkel is probably sincere in her thought that a certain amount of respect for European tradition would be a good thing it is of no avail. As if those warm and fuzzy memories of a homogeneous society living under an enlightened set of values were even close to be a reality.
Even though she was speaking about Germany the issues she was addressing are European and even global. She is indulging an a kind of wishful thinking that is based on a false memory of a history that never existed.
While it may be satisfying or comforting to imagine such a warm and fuzzy past the fact is that Europe has enjoyed only one period of prosperity in the last 200 years and that was in the 30 years post WWII when they were pulled out of the mire by the will and investment of the USA.
The same USA that these pathetic losers have been denigrating and undermining the entire time.
Europe is a fractured, schizoprenic society with all the character of a manic depressive on halucinogenics.
Who cares what Europeons think?
As a society they are finished…rotten to the core…. self absorbed and delusional…. beyond reason and even hope.
Our own best hope is to cut all ties with them for good. To look at them for inspiration is simply pathetic since the only thing they have to offer the world is an object lesson in how to commit cultural self castration and suicide.
Could the reason Alex knows all those Hitler quotes be that he shares Hitler’s hatreds?
Most of the centre-left in Germany is dismissive of any Judeo-Christian culture. As an example, I have a cousin in Germany who is a priest. He is more socially liberal than any atheist that I know.
Osumashi (12:08), I wasn’t making any assumptions, it’s just that Alex, the liar, happened to take a pandering/desperate statement of Adolf Hitler’s and attribute it to Merkel; when you said “it sounds more like pandering or desperation”, I felt duty-bound to point out – because you didn’t say specifically which part of Merkel’s *actual* quote you were commenting on – that Alex’s “quote” of Merkel was a lie.
Yeah, EBD, I know that I’m a liar. For instance, this one time I knowingly, deliberately, and with forethought, spread the idea that our platoon would be patrolling through one district when I knew full well that we’d be going through another. Contributed significantly to mission success, but I’m sure Baby Jesus was crying because I’m such a dishonest bastard.
The difference between you and me? I understand how to use feints and misdirection in order to achieve a tactical advantage, yet I’m willing to be honest about my dishonesty. You lie every bit as much as I do – EVERYBODY does – you just lie to yourself first, so that you can feel better about it, and you refuse to tell the truth after in order to maintain the facade. You know full well the links between Hitlers rabble-rousing and this current wave of religious fanaticism, but will never admit it because you know it would weaken the foundation of this house-of-cards you’ve built in place of a real world-view. That makes you a hundred times more dishonest than I could ever be.
I see.
Forgive my hastiness.
The default reaction to anything not leftist in spirit to claim it is Nazi-like. If only the left were so perceptive about themselves that they would see who the true fascists are.
I believe as Mark Steyn does. Europe has chucked away its values and common sense and it is rotting. Merkel’s statement- in my opinion- shows that she recognises the situation Germany is in.
Alex: in what conceivable sense is the purely matter-of-fact observation that Europe was founded on Judeo-Christian values and beliefs an expression of “religious fanaticism”?
Atheist and agnostic historians who study the history of cultures all around the world will reliably tell you that European culture in the last thousand years or so was founded on Judeo-Christian values and beliefs. Are atheist historians religious fanatics? Or Nazis?
As for your lying: If I attribute to you a vile quote that you didn’t make, it’s safe to say that you won’t be giving me credit for “understanding how to use feints and misdirection” or for being “willing to be honest about my dishonesty.”
If your lies are, as you claim, a subset of your self-proclaimed tactical expertise, and you publicly brag about lying, that cdoesn’t make you any less of a liar, if you catch my drift.
Yeah, EBD, I know that I’m a liar
And that statement, Alex, says all. Liar is a liar is a liar. Particularity self confessed liar.
If “Judeo-Christian tradition” is the only thing Germany has in their arsenal to push back the spread of Islam then they are doomed.
The idea of countering Islam with “Judeo-Christian tradition” must surely be rooted in political correctness.
Were we not so politically correct, we would simply be able to say the truth, that Islam is a backward, intolerant, rotten, stinking religion worth nothing at all in the modern world. But instead political correctness and fear forces people like Merkel to babble on about “Judeo-Christian tradition”.
Damn but the West can be stupid. What a hole we have dug for ourselves.
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Wow someone needs their meds, possibly a PTSD case.
Calm down, before you blow a seal and cause irreparable damage. Yiiiiiks!
If you were indeed a veteran Alex, you should be in touch with your command about these things. It doesn’t do you or anyone else in society good to leave PTSD untreated. Lurking around conservative blog sites, attempting to antagonize unknown strangers is a sure sign that something needs to be looked at. Possibly you just imagine yourself a veteran, that happens allot with the Liberal Left, fantasy is paramount to their understanding of reality. Either way, you should look after it.
Peace out.
“Alex: in what conceivable sense is the purely matter-of-fact observation that Europe was founded on Judeo-Christian values and beliefs an expression of “religious fanaticism”? ”
It’s not, but it certainly is a lie. It’s also irrelevant, so let’s pretend for a moment that I agreed with that silly statement. Moving on: Once again you display your dishonesty by pretending that she was giving a talk about the founding of Europe, when you’re fully aware that the entire thrust of her speech was to advocate the spread of Christianity and the repression of Islam. So you’re a liar.
Well, either that, or you’re an idiot. I don’t think you are – I think it’s much more likely that you’re just being dishonest – but I acknowledge that there are two possibilities in these circumstances. So which is it? Are you a liar and a hypocrite, or a fool?
Alex, go read the post. Don’t even bother clicking the link. Merkel spoke of “…our Judeo-Christian tradition…”, so EBD’s not making that up. And he put the bit where she said “we have too little Christianity” right up there, so his alleged (by you) neferious efforts to hide Merkel’s pro-Christian stance have maybe been less than fienishly brilliant.
If advocating the spread of Christianity is “religious fanaticism”, is encouraging the spread of Islam the same?
Eh, you’re a troll, and an odd one. No feed no more.
// If “Judeo-Christian tradition” is the only thing Germany has in their arsenal //
Do they have that? I wonder what German Jews of today think of a German talking about “our Judeo-Christian tradition”.
Although the epression was invented by a German.
So, according to you, an observation that Europe was funded on Judeo-Christian values and beliefs is not an expression of religious fanaticism, but it is a lie.
In what sense it is a lie?
you’re fully aware that the entire thrust of her speech was to advocate the spread of Christianity and the repression of Islam. So you’re a liar.
As a matter of fact you are wrong. It is your interpretation of her speech, and it is you who, by disagreeing with her, are advocating a spread of Islam and destruction of Europe judeo-Christian tradition. Once we establish that fact it is obvious that you are either a shill for Islam and Islamists or a usefull idiot. I don’t think you are an idiot, so you must be a shill for Islam and Islamists.Are you a shill or a useful idiot**?
** don’t try, Alex, to argue using fallacious reasoning. Most of us know how to spot such fallacies.
“You know full well the links between Hitlers rabble-rousing and this current wave of religious fanaticism”
http://bigjournalism.com/pgeller/2010/04/26/new-book-wrongly-blames-nazis-for-muslim-hatred-of-israel/
“[Merkel’s] party looks set to pass a resolution Tuesday stressing that German culture has Judeo-Christian roots, an idea that critics say aims to marginalize Islam.”
What’s so wrong with that? These critics are dimwits. I just hope it’s not too little, too late. What Merkel’s party is proposing to do is to speak truth to lies, lies that have been fed to the Western public for at least the past 50 or 60 years, that Christianity is bad and that secular humanism and anything but Christianity is good. (BTW, TJ, political correctness has nothing to do with this bill. Where’ve you been? Snoozing? In Europe and North America for the past 50 years it’s been considered politically incorrect to either profess faith in Christianity or to suggest that Europe or North American’s democratic laws and freedoms are based on Judeo-Christian principles — which is a fact.)
These lies have led Europe into a very dark period, permitting the almost unfettered stream of immigration of Islamic extremists, under the umbrella of multiculturalism, to settle in and unsettle its once wide-ranging democratic freedoms which Judeo-Christian values fostered.
All I can say, as someone who’s been advocating what this bill advocates here in North America, is that I’m gratified to observe that sleepy-head leaders seem now to be awakening to the monster (they’ve created) in their midst by recognizing the folly of having been duped for far too long by the Godless secularists in our educational, political, and media institutions. I fear, however, that you can’t legislate faith. What you can do, however, is allow a discussion of the role that Judeo-Christianity has played and will continue to play in the fostering of democratic freedoms. Allowing Christianity — and professing Christians — back into the public square can only be beneficial — and democratic. Why should only the Leftards be given a say?
At last!! A politician with balls – er – ovaries.
If Merkel’s comments are true, then the logical conclusion is that Europe committed cultural suicide with the Holocaust — not a novel idea but one that you don’t hear too often.
Tradition does not equal faith.
Angela Merkel is advocating culture, not religion.
I don’t think governments should be advocating either of those things.
Advocating culture or advocating Judeo/Christian tradition says and does nothing to address the threat of Islam.
Okay, I’ll ask the obvious question. What are Judeo/Christian values?
What are Judeo/Christian values?
~dave
Try doing a search on the internet.
Maybe you could start with the *10 Commandments.
(*warning: there are 14 specific statements in Exodus Chapter 20 that are often divided into 10 specific Commandments differently by various sects of Jews and Christians)
Another search might be Judeo/Christian virtue.
Take a little initiative in your own education and personal development.
It was the Judeo-Christian Europe that gave us the Renaissance, the Reformation (something Islam sorely needs), the scientific revolution, which enabled nearly all the great advances in medicine, technology, the understanding of the universe, etc., etc., and the Enlightenment. It was those movements that led to the rise of the West and made Western Civilization, and Western values, the dominant force on the planet today. Even former European colonies have adopted those values and the smarts in technology.
There is only one other civilization that even came close to these sorts of achievements, and that was China. They were the first to use fossil fuel. The first to smelt iron. The first to develop paper and printing presses. In fact, it was the introduction of paper making techniques to Europe, learned by the Arabs from the Chinese, that enabled the Reformation in Europe.
Even capitalism was present in China before it developed in Europe. http://tinyurl.com/2fnanh3
They were exploring the coastlines of Asia and Africa long before Columbus landed in the Caribbean, or the Portuguese explorer Vasco Da Gama sailed around the Cape of Good Hope and ended up on the west side of India.
Merkel watches too much Glenn Beck…So she must be crazy.
is Angela Europe’s Sarah?
One thing’s for sure.
Europe emerged from the yoke of the Ottoman Empire not that long ago.
The historical turning point was an event in 1529 known as the Gates of Vienna,.
The Battle of Vienna in 1683 marked the beginning of the end for the Ottomans, who were routed and driven back.
There’s a significance to the dates in 1683 when the decisive turning point came a much huger force of European Christian kings realized that their own nations were under threat.
Does Sept. 11 ring a familiar bell?
After nearly 10 years after the fact, is the the significance of Sept. 11 to the Islamic extremists still lost on anybody here?
All these historical facts are easily accessible, even to the willfully ignorant like Alex.
To add to Louise’s list, Judeo-Christian Europe also gave us universities and other educational institutions, hospitals, shelters for the poor, and a multitude of spectacular visual art and music.
It’s about time the West acknowledged its debt to the Judeo-Christian dispensation, which emphasized justice and service to others. As batb has pointed out, it’s also about time that Christians in the West be allowed, as people of faith, to express themselves freely in the public square, rather than being required, figuratively, to don a burqa and place duct tape over their mouths before setting foot there.
Dave asks, “Okay, I’ll ask the obvious question. What are Judeo/Christian values?” Oz suggests the Ten Commandments: a very good start. (Dave, have you heard of those?) In the Anglican Eucharistic liturgy, these commandments are summed up in these words:
“Hear, O Israel: the Lord our God is one Lord.
“And thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind, and with all thy strength.
“This is the first and great commandment. And the second is like unto it:
“Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.”
When individuals and whole societies take these commandments seriously, it’s a great antidote to the odious epidemic of selfishness and narcissism running rampant everywhere in our secularized, Western societies.
Dave might also check out C.S. Lewis’s fine treatment of this topic, in his essay, “The Abolition of Man”.
In it, he writes: “We make men without chests and expect of them virtue and enterprise. We laugh at honour and are shocked to find traitors in our midst. We castrate and then bid the geldings to be fruitful.”
He’s got it. The secularized, statist West has become morally soft, self-referential, and selfish, while using the jackboot of the state to punish anyone who doesn’t march in lock step to the utopian band.
I’ll take Judeo-Christian virtue any day over the totalitarianism of the modern, secular state—which owes its very, up-til-now, prosperous, free existence to the religions which nurtured it. The secular state—just look at its minions (henchpeople) like Layton and Obama—laughs at honour all the time and is turning out “men without chests” at a furious pace.
God help us.
Maybe they should also pass a resolution that humans require air and water to live.
Angela Merkel is a politician, so has no ethics, honesty, morals or principles. Her speech is pure meaningless hype to gain votes. The late and unlamented Adolf was irreligious, anti-religion and a lapsed catholic.