48 Replies to “If The Vatican Was In Yemen”

  1. Well, McGuinty tried hard to give us folks in Ontario a taste of the virtues of Sharia, and it was only the protestations of groups like the Muslim Canadian Congress (who knew a thing or two about the type of “progress” that Islamic law would have entailed) that spared us from Yemmeni Lite.
    Oh well, give Fibber McG another term, and who knows – with another half-million or so immigrants in the GTA – maybe he’ll succeed.

  2. To “the left” the issue here isn’t whether womean and children are being abused, it’s whether or not they have access to abortion.

  3. Now we’re comparing and, perhaps unwittingly, equating the Vatican and Catholicism to Islam. The theme here seems to be “If Islam does worse, can whats happening with the Vatican be that bad?” Thats just great. And thoroughly insulting to Christianity.
    And that tragic story about the Yemeni child bride is evidence of the fact that all twisted criminals are either Yemeni or Muslim. Like Paul Bernardo. After all, they were both arrested by the police after the act.
    Pointless comparison. I think ET pointed out in another thread that Child marriage is endemic in pre-industrial/agrarian societies and is more reflective of social and even economic norms than religion. But those are the “facts”, and facts have no place on blogs.

  6. gord, exactly. The left could care less about the fate of women and children elsewhere as long as their agenda is propagated. Children are the old age pension plan for most non-western countries.

  7. I think I like the “we hold the Catholic Church to a higher standard than other charter members of Worlds Great Religions Inc.” responses the best.

  8. Pedophilia among Catholic priests has nothing to do with the Christian religion or the rules of the church. It is a violation of both.
    Pedophilia/child marriage among Muslims is approved within the Sharia Laws and hadiths (normative rules of jurisprudence) of the Islamic religion.
    The FACT that I outline the Islamic religion as based within an ideology that is obviously pre-industrial and tribal…and that views kinship relations and marriages as part of the societal infrastructure is an analysis of the origins of Islam.
    For example, in a tribal society, girls could be betrothed at birth and move to the husband’s camp at puberty (not 9 years old by the way). A widow could be married by the man’s brother, to ensure her security; she might be a token wife only with no sexual involvement. There were lots of rules about maintaining the family because the family was the economic unit; there was no state ‘social assistance’ or shelters for the homeless. Each kin group looked after its own people.
    BUT once the society moves out of a tribal economy, and Islamic societies have in our times done that and moved into industrialism, then the tribal kin economic structure is no longer viable..and abuse can set in where men ‘marry’ young girls for sex, not for maintaining the integrity of a kin-group.
    Therefore, we see these ancient rules used in Muslim societies to support what is essentially pedophilia.

  9. Gay Marriage?
    We had enough trouble with “Mixed Marriages” in the eyes of RC Church and had to have permission to marry!
    What is the purposeof marriage? I thought maybe: family, children,a life together ever after(so you promise!) these might come into it; not some sterile attempt to get married for marriage’s sake! Why not follow UK trend – instead of an “In your face” stance, merely live together as a couple. This is recognised in EU Law and in US Law! Be big, not a bugger!

  10. Day by day by hour by hour we are assailed by media stories about trouble, pain and grief caused by muzzies and their perverted faith.
    If they are not blowing themselves and those around them to smithereens, they are violating young girls, whipping women for immodest dress, stoning them for being rape victims, cutting the throats of non-believers, detonating bombs in subway trains and stations, rioting in western cities, threatening us with annihilation and on and on and on.
    Yet we continue to welcome people of this faith to Canada as immigrants. Are we insane?

  11. RE: Pedophilia among Catholic priests has nothing to do with the Christian religion or the rules of the church.
    So what does the church ignorning pedophilia for thousands of years have to do with the rules of the church? What does moving pedophile priests to other areas instead of getting rid of them have to do with the rules of the church?
    Get your head out of the sand. You sound as bad as the vatican.

  12. Oh, yeah. Just another day in the life of a Muslim child bride.
    Yoohoo, intrepid feminists and valiant investigative journalists in the Western media: Where the HELL are you?
    Oh, You’ve Only Got Eyes for … Benedict XVI?
    I see … said the blind man.

  13. Isn’t the point that the Catholic Church is under intense scrutiny from the MSM because of the allegations of pedophilia and the Pope’s inaction when he was a bishop? That muslims conducting acts of rape, slavery, and murder of young children goes mostly unnoticed by the same news outlets? While these acts are conducted in Canada and not just Yemen.
    The Catholic Church should not be held to a higher standard than Muslims. When such acts are are conducted there needs to be the same outrage from news agencies that is proportionate to the crime.
    Leftist groups and news agencies need to put the same resources to expose and bring public pressure to bear with Muslims as they would Christians. Then we can talk about just society. Until then it is a double standard.
    Christians are mocked and ridiculed by the government, judiciary, news groups, “arts” world and leftists while Muslims get a free pass. You just have to publish a cartoon of a Muslim and you are brought up on charges. Something is seriously wrong and it is only going to get worse.

  15. captain – could you show me where pedophilia is in the rules of proper church behaviour?
    Child marriage IS in the Islamic hadiths and Mohammed’s sexual marriage to a 9 year old is NOT rebuked within the Islamic community. It is instead openly accepted and Sharia law provides no boundaries to the age when a girl may be married – even though the institution of the tribe and kin-group is no longer an economic way of life.
    The fact that the church, as a political institution sought to hide these violations of its rules of behaviour, does not mean that the church, as an ideological institution, permitted or supported or condoned them.

  16. Struck a nerve with the “facts”, did I? People tend to respond in two ways when I do that. Either they admit they’re wrong, or they try to cover up their mistake by trying to invalidate my argument on the grounds that I am a “Idiot”/”(insert name-calling here)”. Weak.
    “I think I like the “we hold the Catholic Church to a higher standard than other charter members of Worlds Great Religions Inc.” responses the best.”
    Very few, if any, of the world’s great religions Inc. have as much heirarchy and repose as much faith in one person as Catholicism. The Pope is, unfortunately, an easy target for two reasons –
    a) he is always right, and therefore his decision to not take sterner action is inevitably right (everyone else tends to disagree). Worth noting that no other religion has a similar structure making one religious leader always “right”.
    b) the Vatican has canonized some bizzare people and has made some bizzare decisions in the past.
    I don’t think anyone here is under any illusion about the Vatican’s shortcomings in the past, which is vividly illustrated in Protestantism. Then theres the absurd canonizations – Sir Thomas More was canonized for upholding Catholicism in England by burning alive no less than six “heretics”/protestants. Decisions such as these tend to bring criticism.
    In the Pope’s case, there is a target. I invite you to name the equivalent of the Pope, or an institution similar to the Vatican, in Islam, Hinduism, Sikhism, Buddhism etc who believes that he or it is the sole link between God and Humanity.
    Hmmmmm.
    Good luck.
    The Papacy and the Vatican just make an easier target than most. Just like any identifiable leader – political, social, commercial etc. The rest of the religions simply don’t have a similar self-righteous figure.

  17. ET said: “Pedophilia among Catholic priests has nothing to do with the Christian religion or the rules of the church. It is a violation of both.
    Pedophilia/child marriage among Muslims is approved within the Sharia Laws and hadiths (normative rules of jurisprudence) of the Islamic religion.”
    Yes! ET wins the day, again.
    Personally, I’d like to the the RC Church -hierarchy-, not just the members of the church, finally take this issue on and get it done. You like the little boys an little too much, you get A) jailed, B) defrocked and C) EXCOMMUNICATED from the church. No second chances, no looking the other way.
    Because its supposed to be a church, not a fricking knitting club.
    As for the Muslims, let ’em have their own damn Renaissance if they don’t want any part of ours.

  19. Dear blech, you are well named. The fact that -you- do not know who the main leaders of the various Muslim sects are doesn’t mean there aren’t any.
    I find it interesting that their names are not household words due to their recent stand on child marriage. I mean, given the wrath directed at the Pope and all, eh? One might almost suspect, dare I say, a bias in the reporting.
    Doofus.

  20. blech, good of you to use an example to prove you are an idiot and a fairly ignorant one at that. To wit; your sophomoric “either or” argument” wherein you control the only two possible outcomes. You can fool some of the people some of the time. However, at this blog site you may have fooled yourself but nobody else seems to be stupid enough to buy into your lunacy. With your twisted logic I have no doubt that you can use the rape-assault-murder of the 13 year old girl as a reason to boycott Israel in a non-anti-Semitic way.

  21. Struck a nerve with the “facts”, did I?
    Posted by: blech at April 17, 2010 12:03 PM
    You’re an idiot.
    Posted by: Kate at April 17, 2010 10:22 AM
    Now that’s a “fact”. And, it struck our funny nerves…
    “I invite you to name the equivalent of the Pope, or an institution similar to the Vatican, in Islam, Hinduism, Sikhism, Buddhism etc who believes that he or it is the sole link between God and Humanity.”
    Okay: ‘bama

  22. blech – you don’t seem to know much about the various religions.
    Islam takes the Qu’ran as indubitable; the ‘words’ of Mohammed, as written down in the text, are understood to be direct from god. They are not texts written by others ABOUT the teachings of god/Jesus. As such they are not open to interpretation. By anyone.
    Then, you have the hadiths which are societal modes of behaviour entangled within the indubitality of the Qu’ran to be equally unchallengeable.
    You can’t, therefore, have a priesthood or pontiff in Islam because there’s no interpretation of scripture or mode of behaviour possible.
    That’s a major problem with Islam; its ideology, which includes its societal, economic, political and religious views, are all stuck in the 7th c and not open to analysis or change.
    Christianity and in this case, Catholocism, views the bible as a text written by others about religious ideas and as such, it is open to interpretation and analysis. Therefore, there is naturally a hierarchy of ‘interpretive authority’.
    Judaism is also open to interpretation, and has a ‘lateral’ hierarchy, i.e., all the rabbis.
    You will note that religions whose texts are open to interpretation are capable of modernization while Islam, so far, is unable to move out of the 7th c.
    Hinduism, Buddhism and Sikhism are not monotheistic and are not based on texts related to the establishment of the ideology but on multiple texts which are themselves continuous interpretations of the ideology. There’s no comparison.
    Furthermore, these are religious ideologies that predate the monotheistic religions…and the latter emerge only in large populations that are themselves political and socially hierarchical. These three are older and emerged in smaller populations and are thus ‘folk-based’, attached to local beliefs and behaviour and are not hierarchical because they began in smaller societal (non-hierarchical) structures.
    Don’t make invalid and false comparisons.

  23. One thing the MSM ignores in their Catholic priest Paedophile stories, is the fact that the majority of the priests are in fact homosexual Paedophiles
    Which ignores this fact.
    ” Paedophilia more common among ‘gays’
    Research purports to reveal dark side of homosexual culture
    Paedophilia more common among ‘gays’
    “The rate of homosexual versus heterosexual child sexual abuse is staggering,” said Reisman, who was the principal investigator for an $800,000 Justice Department grant studying child pornography and violence. “Abel’s data of 150.2 boys abused per male homosexual offender finds no equal (yet) in heterosexual violations of 19.8 girls.”
    http://www.blessedcause.org/protest/pedophila%20homosexual.htm

  24. Meh. My lazy Saturday morning is drawing to a close and I need to get on with real life, so I ll keep this short.
    “Back to the thread topic, the Pope could never marry a nine-year-old girl.”
    In all fairness, he couldn’t marry anyone of any age. Not that would stop him from covering up the cases. The issue here is his refusal to take a more strident stand. The Vatican has instead chosen to take on a victim mindset. Something about this criticism being similar to anti-semitism.
    Hmmm. Lets see the rest. Namecalling, namecalling and more namecalling. I want to say mature, but juvenile comes to mind.
    “The fact that -you- do not know who the main leaders of the various Muslim sects are doesn’t mean there aren’t any.”
    Do you? Because you haven’t named any. Let me guess. You will tell me to go do my own research. Old trick, new rhetoric. Well done. Here’ the problem though – no other religion has a truly “global” leader like the Pope. The Iranian Grand Ayatollah is hardly recognized as a global leader of Shi’ias worldwide. I am sure that there are tonnes of minor leaders, but their reach is too limited to warrant scrutiny. Its like calling your local priest a global leader of Christianity.
    “However, at this blog site ”
    Ah yes, the indomitable wisdom available on SDA. Imagine what would happen if you became recognizable individuals in the real world. We would live in a glorious world. Unfortunately, you re stuck to your armchair and like nothing more than a little Islam/Liberal/Left – bashing to start a day that I imagine is boring beyond belief.
    ET – I merely stated that Catholicism is easy to attack for the very same reasons that Islam is easy to criticise here. Sure the reality is alot more complicated, but its a readymade target that is annoyingly self-righteous and routinely goes out of its way to defend its own shortcomings. The details are, sadly, irrelevant, because – just as you point out the differences between the religions – the the practice of Islam varies around the world and to suggest that Yemen is representative of practices in Islamic communities around the world is, well, “invalid and false”.
    This whole thing about the Prophet’s example being reflected in the law of the muslim world is a little far-fetched. Underage marriage is illegal in the vast majority of muslim countries, including the religious ones like Iran and Pakistan.
    Peace brothers. Real life beckons. Perhaps I shall return to this tomorrow.

  27. blech are you really that stupid or do you just repeat what you hear at union meetings or NDP rallies? I was not calling you an idiot to avoid the facts of the issue at hand. I was calling you an idiot because your ability to gather appropriate facts and to present those facts to support an argument in a logical fashion is at the level of an idiot. F’rinstance: I did not infer that what you were promulgating was in any way anti-Semitic. I said that with your twisted logic you could find a way to use the rape-assault-murder (or Tuesday as it is called in Sharia states) of a little girl as reinforcing evidence to support the United Church-NDP-Union led boycott of Israel. This would require your brain to be able make links and to be able to think two steps in advance. At least one of us now knows that you are not in that league.

  28. People are welcome to prove the ridiculous things they say. We know the Church abhors the sin of child rape. If one follows the links Kate provided, one can see what Islam allows. All I’m seeing is the usual ignorance and hatred. That’s not proof; that’s just slagging the Catholic Church while bypassing more immediate evils.

  29. It’s an easy distinction to make: the RC church recognizes that it has a problem with predatory pedophiles becoming priests in order to gain access to (and authority over) potential victims. They are taking steps to combat this problem, and needless to say, they are receiving abundant criticism about how they are, and were, going about it. Some of the criticism is justified, and some is just knee-jerk Catholic-bashing.
    In Islam, on the other hand, pedophilia ain’t a bug; it’s a feature.

  30. The Catholic Church hid their dirty little pedophiles/secrets Muslim nations proudly allow men to marry little girls and rape them because it’s deemed Sharia Compliant to rape little girls? The Priests’ knew they were perverts that’s why they hid their crimes, in Muslim nations the Men can parade their little girl wives around proudly or until the babies bleed to death from ruptured vaginas.

  31. Did I miss the point of this thread? I thought that since in the Leftist mindset all religions are equal the condemnation of pedophilia in the Catholic Church would be matched with the condemnation of the practice of Child Brides in the Islamic tradition. If it is OK to have Child Brides in Islam why is it not OK to practice pedophilia in the Catholic Church?
    From a purely ‘scientific’ point of view…..The leftists are hypocrites of the first degree.

  33. Quandary for Muslim girls – either submit to underage marriage or an honour killing.

  34. Hey, give poor Abed Al-Hikmi a break – he “felt under pressure to prove his manhood”. If anything, he’s the real victim, here.
    CaptainCanucklehead @11:20 – “…the church ignoring pedophilia for thousands of years…”
    I know you have some kind of evidence for that, I just know you do.
    bleh @1:05 – I think I speak for us all when I tell you how honoured we are that you took time out of your “real life” to come and help us think.
    (Look, the Church obviously brought a lot of this on itself, but I believe it’s doing – [for the most part: Un-free Bernard Law!] – what it can now and that Pope Benedict was not guilty in any kind of cover-up and frankly I’m sick of this Catholic bashing. BTW, can anyone explain why this thing has suddenly gone white-hot within the last month or so?)

  35. I want to hear what “new” has to say about this. Or did he change his name again.

  36. Black Mamba: You think the utter and complete failure at Copenhagen to further the one-world-order/ UN governance agenda, maybe?? Naw, couldn’t be! That PO’d some very powerful players.
    Now….where can we find a new bastion of power to bring to its knees and destroy? Afterall, there’s a gameplan to implement. Hmmm…how about the Catholic Church? We’ll get to Christianity shortly! All in good time.

  37. Snagglepuss – you’re not like my late Baptist grandmother, are you? She used to say things like: “You are Christian, but you are neighbor with Catholic?” 🙂

  38. Black Mamba: “BTW, can anyone explain why this thing has suddenly gone white-hot within the last month or so?”
    ‘Easy as pie: It has been the most holy time of the year in the Christian calendar: Lent, Holy Week, Easter Season leading to Pentecost.
    Why not attack Christians at their most vulnerable?

  39. Mamba- Heh, no, I don’t think so. Yeah, I noticed after posting. Should have said ‘the rest’ of Christianity…(or somesuch). For we are a dangerous, inconvenient lot!

  40. Yes batb, you’re absolutely right, and I agree.
    My first comment to Black Mamba was more mischievous and provocative than serious.

  42. blech/bleet/mouth said: “Perhaps I shall return to this tomorrow.”
    Don’t hurry back on my account, troll boy. But if you do, maybe you could name the Moderator of the United Church? Or the head of the Anglican church? Oh perhaps whatever poobahs call the shots in the Baptist church? Methodists, perhaps?
    No?
    Point being, had one of those guys made it church policy that a 9 year old was fair game, we would all know his name. He’d be wall to wall on CNN.
    Yet, whatever (noticeably unnamed in the MSM) sect of Muslims in Indonesia has done exactly that, we don’t have the name, the town, the mosque the guy works out of, we’ve got nada. Zippo. Bupkis. Because the MSM weenies don’t want to upset the explosive Muslims by mentioning that their holy men are cool with child molestation. The NOW gang are utterly silent. Status of Women Canada, crickets chirping.
    But we do have -you-, coming here and telling -me- that I’m some kind of racist for expecting better out of them. Which would be funnier if you meant it to be a joke, right? So please, don’t hurry back and try to change the subject one more time.
    I look forward to holding a “Leftist Provocateur, Not With Us” sign over your head at a tea party some time soon.

  43. Ratzi should wield a scythe(muzzi like) on the molestation issue. Besides, the fu(k1ng Catholic Church is out-of-the-ballpark on celibacy and that may be the point of clearing up the skkkum

  45. Presumably no rational & sane person defends any child abuse, including instances involving CC priests? Likewise, most recognizes that the CC cases are extra vile because priests are supposed to moral examples for their flock. But at the least the CC does not condone or teach that child abuse is ok.
    Islam is a totally different matter, their child (and women) abuse is, as e.g. ET has pointed out, built into the system itself. Totally repulsive.
    The reason the CC cases gets so much exposure is that we expect more from CC than from e.g. Islam.
    The reason for MSM’s near silence re: Islam’s abuses is fear and ignorance.

  47. marc – “The very birds, when they fly over Kabul, propel themselves using only one wing.”
    Or so they say.
    Yikes! I wonder what that writing says.

  48. I’ve been working with a Muslim woman for the last few weeks. I’ve asked her a few questions about Islam, and she’s been quite open with her responses.
    For example, I asked her about the burka and niqab, and if Muslim women were required to wear them. She snorted “Of course not”, and explained that Muslim woman are supposed to dress in a way that doesn’t “show off their bodies”. And in her case, she walks the walk – I have no idea whether she has really hot curves or really blah bulges under the normal, but loose, clothing she wears. She’s from Sri Lanka originally, and I asked if many of the women there wear the burka. She said that 20 years ago, it was very rare, but more women are wearing them now, which seems to reinforce the belief that the burka is a modern cultural imposition, and not a centuries old tradition.
    Another day, I asked her about the four wives. She said, yes, a Muslim man can marry up to four women, but only if 1) he has the money to support them, and 2) only if the previous wife or wives agree. (That is, wife #2 requires wife 1’s approval; wife #3 requires both wife 1 and wife 2, etc.). Then, unprovoked by me, she added “When the Messenger (she didn’t refer to him as Mohammed or the Prophet at any time) added wives, they were actually the wives of men who’d died in battle supporting him. He only had one virgin bride.”
    I have to work with her, and she’s actually quite pleasant, so I didn’t push on the “9 year old” angle; no need to antagonize her over what some guy did twelve centuries ago. Still, she didn’t seem to have any problem with it.

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