39 Replies to “Great Moments In Jurisprudence”

  1. “When they do sleep, some dream of cigarettes.”
    The horror,the horror,and some of their victims are afraid to sleep.

  2. We have the same BS at work.
    A welder can be using an Air Arc, which makes an arc welder look like an incense candle, but he better not have a cigarette in his face.
    It’s insane.

  4. Smoking, like the weather hoax climate thingie, is an non issue IMO. The level of importance, to the average person, is way, way down. Why would anyone, in their right mind, think that buying hot air from outfits who want TOTAL power and who hate us (people) is a good idea? Why would anyone, in their right mind, think that tobacco smokers are targets for special prosecution by the same people promoting the climate hoax because ‘they’ (people haters) care about the hated ‘people’s’ health? “They” are cooking up a plan to deprive people of life, liberty, freedom of speech, and private property by forcing us to freeze and starve in the dark via ‘carbon credit’ stealth of rights. Slaves are made by ‘useful idiots’ and all the squawkers who demonize smokers are aiding and abetting the enemy who certainly will not stop with tobacco smokers!
    A point to ponder: why to all the anti tobacco fanatics think that pot smoking is O.K.? Smoke is smoke; pot smoke causes the same health problems as tobacco smoke so why the toleration of one smoke and not the other?
    Smokers are not the ‘problem’; useful idiots (even righteous ones) are….it is not your health fanatics, it is the smoker’s own health..and don’t give any of us smokers the medicare cost to society thingie…we pay huge taxes on our habit and we usually die fast when the Grim Reaper comes knocking on our door.
    The gument has no more business in the cab of a private/rental/lease truck than they have in any occupied bedroom. Tobacco is a legal product; wake up people, there are a pile of stinking contradictions here.
    As for cons smoking…why does anyone care. It would likely make prison live less stressful and the job of the guards easier but no one really cares about them, except maybe that judge.
    Smoking is legal so it is a right in this country, just like eating junk food, drinking booze, reading all night, watching T.V. all day, …banning smoking is all about power and not at all about health. Be careful what you wish for…antis.

  7. Smoking irritates the hell out of me for some reason. But I don’t see why a person should be restricted in their own personal space. That’s just ridiculous.
    Most smokers are in fact in favor of a smoking ban in enclosed public spaces.

  8. I am a smoker. I think the prisoners should be allowed to smoke as right now, the prison is their home. The trucker should also be allowed to smoke as the truck is his home.
    I will be the first person to protest the legalization of marijuana because even a whiff of it causes me migraine headaches. But if they want to legalize the stuff, then they have to abide by the same rules as other smokers. Just watch them legislate pot bars, while still not allowing a smoking bar. They will justify it as medicinal, they are doing it already. Hypocrites!
    Jema54 sums it up very nicely.

  10. Thankfully, the OPP have time to divert themselves from their lesser work of catching murderers and criminals, protecting private property owners in Caledonia from native abuse, and maintaining law and order so that they may perform the vital public service of laying charges against some hapless citizen who needs to strike a light in his truck.
    I support no smoking in “public” places: to wit, government offices and buildings open to the public. There is no place in a free society for the state to ban smoking in the PRIVATE property of a restaurant or bar (where patrons voting with their feet may change the owners’ decisions thereof), or in demanding that storeowners must pony up $thousands to install new shelving that hides tobacco products from customers. This is entirely fascist in its approach.
    And, for the record, I am a lifelong non-smoker who is allergic. I object to the government deciding what habits and behaviors are “correct” for the citizenry. This is incompatible with a free society.
    mhb23re
    at gmail d0t calm

  11. The federal judge who lifted the ban on inmates smoking outside got it right.
    The Ontario government who bans the truck driver from smoking in his own cab needs to be thrown out of office – but not just for that. That government is so off the rails.

  12. Since they ruined the baked goods industry, the government feels empowerd to ban everything. They won’t stop at trans fats and smoking. Everything you take for granted and enjoy is up for grabs. Its your very way of life they want to change. As far as Im concerned it’s a clockwork orange going on. Now its your big screen TV. Baked goods taste not quite right anymore.

  13. Allan, are you sure that you’re not assuming that because most smokers are considerate and acknowledge the rights of others not to have to breath 2nd hand smoke, that they’re okay with the already existing bans? Sounds like you’re blowin’ smoke there.

  14. Let’s ignore health for a moment. Cigarette smokers are drug addicts. The inmates who brought this suit reportedly had two-pack-a-day habits. That would be a $840/month (after tax dollars) touch outside of prison.
    Most ex-convicts do not walk into high paying jobs on release. How does someone “graduating” from prison with a pre-existing $840/mo drug addiction make ends meet? Oh yeah, they have to go back to crime. Great.
    Our so-called correction system is the weak link in the chain when it comes to security and crime control. All these losers get caught eventually, but nobody gets their life turned around. Ever.

  15. “Jema54”
    That is where the problem lies, does this include the workplace?
    “wingwalker”
    When public indoor smoking was banned here in Manitoba, quite a few smokers I know were upset. Then they realized they didn’t smell like @#$@ after a night at the bar, or at a social etc… and they soon came to realize it was a pretty good thing overall, even for them. Not a single smoker I know is against the ban.
    I’m a truck driver, and I plan on eventually hiring a few guys when the economy turns around. Rule #1 no smoking in the truck. If the potential employee is insistent, they won’t be hired.

  16. turtle; those smokes in the Pen are subsidized by the taxpayer. Subsidized Smokes are also sold to outsiders by the inmates to buy drugs. Several years ago a Reform MP from BC investigated the goings on with smokes in prisons. Doubt things have changed.
    Just announced today; criminals have lost their 2 for one credit for time served. CPC is doing what it can.

  17. I think some of the smoking ban is nuts. Where I worked they enforced a ban three years before it took effect so we would ‘get used to it’. I took the G truck to Edmonton for a meeting. I was late. They asked why and I replied I stopped on the highway for a couple of smokes. They replied there was no ban yet and I replied there was where I worked so too bad. It got to the point they wanted to ban smoking on the property and nobody could have cigarettes in the lab ( absorbtion of chemicals). I said they did not own the property and they would have to ban sanitary supplies for the women. I have never allowed myself to be pushed over easily. Unless it is enclosed the whole second hand smoke thingie is like global warming, getting a whiff as you walk by ain’t going to kill you..just shows intolerance.

  19. The war against smokers must end, as it is now abusive. I totally empathize with the prisoners AND am furious about the truck driver. My greatest sympathy is for smokers in old age homes and patients in hospitals! This is elder abuse!
    Can’t we PLEASE go back to informal social controls to coach people to do whatever the majority wants! Legal prohibition backfires when it undermines freedom of life and the pursuit of happiness (I omit liberty, as prisoners are not entitled to that provision). No one truly believes that smoking outside in a courtyard, on an uncrowded beach or alone in one’s vehicle harms anyone other than the individual, if that. My chain-smoking 90-year-old ancestors would laugh.

  20. Peel Region had plans to impose a ban on smoking in apartments and condos but changed their mind. They cited the likelyhood that the courts would strike it down as infringing on privacy.
    The city of Woodstock has gone through a series of smokong bylaw officers—-fired and quit.
    One clown decided to cut-off/block a private vehicle in an industrial mall. The occupants of the pickup were told they were being charged for smoking in a “company truck”. They called the Police—-the pickup was privately registered with no company name. The bylaw fool was busted for careless/reckless…..and fired because that is a criminal charge inconsistant with his position.
    Another fellow….fell down a lot….
    My take is that the OPP has some smoke nazis amongst them…..the same mindset out powertripping….

  21. Heh.Good thing I am not in Morontario.Can I be chaged with using a legal weapon(cig)when I snuff it out in the brownshirts(OPP)eye at my front door? And where do the Quinty and the Zero hide out for their smokes?

  22. Don’t forget the farmers either. Officials have already said that they consider the cab of a tractor a workplace so no smoking there either. They just haven’t gotten around to enforcing that yet.

  23. The Nazi’s demonized “Smoking” in Germany in order to Condition the PLL to blind obedience… Hitler also used the TAX to fund his war…
    These same objectives, minus war, are the goal of Social Engineering turds. It’s all about the money
    The Mother of all Class Action lawsuits waits for an ethical lawyer… The Governments share of the profit in the tobacco business exceeds 93%, the tobacco industry ~7%
    If the science supporting the Anti-Smoking group is held valid… the Government is guilty of trafficking in death for profit, and any judgment must be awarded to smokers
    It’s a win-win for smokers regardless of the science. The Taxation & regulations are unconstitutional…
    The Judge got it right!

  24. Jema54:
    I know a lot of people who smoke pot. Most of them don’t smoke every day, and most of them don’t smoke more than one joint when they do. And, if they’re using a bong or water pipe, they typically use even less than a single joint’s worth.
    Smokers, on the other hand, seem to average between 1-2 packs a day. (Yes, I know there are a few who only smoke 2-3 cigarettes a day, but they’re balanced out by the 2 pack a day men.)
    So, say, 5 joints a week vs. 140 cigarettes. I agree that pot smoking in and of itself is not a health benefit to anyone, but the relative damage done compared to cigarettes is clearly less.
    And, not to belabour the point, I vaguely recall reading somewhere that much of the damage done from smoking is from particulate inhalation, not the nicotine in tobacco. You could be doing nearly as much damage smoking dried lettuce leaves.

  25. Wait for it . . . . some non-smoking Con will demand to be released because he is suffering form second hand smoke.

  26. $305 buys a lot of smokes.
    maybe its a ploy to encourage smokers to drop the habit.
    in any event we can expect more madness from the dolt mcguilty administration; we’re $24,000,000,000 in hock. and THAT is a LOT of smokes! LOL !!!

  27. Best service to the inmates was to enforce a total smoking ban. Cdn inmates are fortunate there isn’t a tough Joe Arapaio mentality up here. They’d soon stop jabbering about rights lost when they broke the law and start thinking about cleaning themselves up to stay outta the pink underwear prisons permanently.

  28. KevinB @7:21 – I agree, I don’t think pot smokers typically inhale all that much in the course of their habit. But I like Jema54 (@11:15) touching on the question of motivation; the weird hedonist power-freak mindset that wants to regulate everyone’s mundane personal rights away while normalizing behaviour previously seen as dangerous and anti-social.

  29. Jema54–your logic is skewed–are you suggesting that legislation should include provisions regarding the amount that people smoke–plus, pot is, illegal and an intoxicant. one which has been insufficiently studied regarding the long term effects. I smoke neither tobacco or pot and do not condone the smoking of either but do believe that there are social practices more harmful than either that are accepted by both government and society.. If government has no place in the bedrooms of the nation, they have no place in a truck driver’s cab!

  30. Here in Ontario if you call your Liberal MPP’s office to complain about yet another law or regulation you get ” I can’t believe your not for it”.
    That’s where we are at in this province, citizens too blind to state the obvious and just keep putting up with no good do gooders that don’t know sheep s— from licorice balls.
    It’s pathetic.. and we are getting what we deserve.

  31. Isn’t the Grand Confluence of Politically Correct Notions always fun to observe?
    You know what I mean:
    Forbidding smoking to protect our rights while permitting smoking to protect our rights.
    Calling for smoking to be further criminalized while calling for pot use to be further legalized.
    Flying business class all the way to Australia to alert folks about our carbon footprints.
    Advancing gay marriage as a personal lifestyle decision while opposing polygamy.
    Forbidding religion in public schools but allowing imams to hold services in the school cafeteria.
    A fat, wealthy film-maker posing as an anti-Establishment, anti-capitalist Don Quixote.
    And on and on and on…

  32. We continue to let the vocal minorities and governments dictate what we can and cannot do in this country. The smoking issue in prisons is such a joke. Smoking is clearly something that if allowed will make the job of the guards and prison staff much easier especially when the inmates know that the prison staff who smoke simply go outside and enjoy their own habit even though the ban is supposed to apply to them as well.

  33. Look, (doncha hate folks who open with “look”), you’re all missing the point here:
    Truckers are pretty independent souls, not an especially compliant lot.
    A trucker could be driving down the highway near a federal prison. He might well ignore the sign warning drivers not to pick up hitchhikers in the area.
    A picked-up hitchhiker could be harmed by second-hand smoke.
    You’ve got to look at the big picture, here, and get outside that narrow conservative box you’re stuck in.

  34. @ Allen 12:58 If it is your truck and you don’t want your employees smoking in it, that is your business. By all means make it a company policy. However, if the truck is owned by the truck driver or a company that doesn’t have that rule and he is driving by himself, what to heck business is that of the governments? I don’t smoke but I believe “They came for the smokers and I didn’t do anything, and then they came for me.”

  35. Federal inmates can now smoke; and smoking is a POW’s right under the Geneva conventions.

  36. “Then they realized they didn’t smell like @#$@ after a night at the bar, or at a social etc… and they soon came to realize it was a pretty good thing overall, even for them. Not a single smoker I know is against the ban”
    You completely miss the point. That the government has the nerve to assume it knows EVERYTHING in your best interest and must enforce same, is the point. How much of your personal freedom and liberty to you wish to surrender to a bunch of clods who couldn’t run a lemonade stand in a heatwave? Why do canadians always feel the government is all-wise and all-knowing, and defer to some idiot bureaucrat’s pet bias when it alters their personal freedoms? That a bunch of sheep rationalized their own loss of freedom through government meddling, after the fact, is indicative of the pathetic state canadians have sunk regarding who is responsible for running their own lives.
    Everyone should be outraged regarding this issue. Governments should NOT be in the business of mandating where people may smoke while on private property, seat belt usage, or bicycle helmet usage, or motorcycle helmet usage, or anything else that folks do where their behavior harms nobody but themselves. Or how would you feel when the government decides to start rationing how much alcohol you drink because it’s not necessarily good for you? Or that your own pet hobby isn’t necessarily safe, whether you’re a rock climber or sport parachutist, or even a full-contact rec league hockey player?
    Wake up, Canada. That sucking sound is your freedom to choose and liberty swirling down the drain.
    mhb

  37. Tom Olsen, I am glad that you pointed out my skewered logic; which indeed it is – just like the confusing message that the left wing msm send out – they want pot legalized for health reasons but the whiff of a lit tobacco leaf, they claim, will destroy the health of all people in a 60 foot radius. I was just pointing out that smoke (not from one’s own smoke) is smoke for the 2nd hand breather.
    Personally, I know many mushy headed people who smoked too much pot…I know no tobacco smokers suffering from the mush brain or impotent phenomena common to pot smokers because pot is fat soluble and it’s residue (with the placid effects) sits in the fatty tissue of a person’s body (and we all know where the body stores the highest concentration of fat, for self preservation and for procreation) for 7 years. I wonder why the ‘experts’ want to encourage people to smoke pot?
    Things that make me go hummm?

  38. Tom Olsen, I am glad that you pointed out my skewered logic; which indeed it is – just like the confusing message that the left wing msm send out – they want pot legalized for health reasons but the whiff of a lit tobacco leaf, they claim, will destroy the health of all people in a 60 foot radius. I was just pointing out that smoke (not from one’s own smoke) is smoke for the 2nd hand breather.
    Personally, I know many mushy headed people who smoked too much pot…I know no tobacco smokers suffering from the mush brain or impotent phenomena common to pot smokers because pot is fat soluble and it’s residue (with the placid effects) sits in the fatty tissue of a person’s body (and we all know where the body stores the highest concentration of fat, for self preservation and for procreation) for 7 years. I wonder why the ‘experts’ want to encourage people to smoke pot?
    Things that make me go hummm?

  39. Anyone who has followed the development of the anti-smoking movement from a small group of busybodies with too much time on their hands to a lucrative industry will not be at all surprised by this latest stupidity extravaganza.
    When the anti-smoking zealots realized how easily politicians could be intimidated into passing legislation against smokers, how quickly businesses rolled over and how quietly smokers would allow themselves to be bullied, modest restrictions soon progressed to more radical demands and Pandora’s Box was opened.
    When the persecution and bullying of smokers became acceptable …. even encouraged, those with the unquenchable desire to dominate and control soon jumped on the bandwagon. Those with the urge to slip on the jackboots had an absolute bonzana … a minority that could be bullied, ridiculed and generally dumped upon without repercussions. When lobby groups found that lucrative grants were available, an industry was born under the guise of health.
    Now anyone with an ounce of common sense realizes that a whiff of second-hand smoke is no more harmful than sitting around a campfire, using the family barbeque or following a diesel-powered bus. Yet smoking restrictions continue to become more and more intrusive while the media either remains silent or cheerleads from the sidelines.
    Debating with an anti-smoking radical is comparable to debating with a left-winger. Their arguments are based on emotion rather than facts. They are adept at twisting your point of view to make you appear evil and selfish. When all else fails, they resort to name-calling … filthy addict, baby killer, drain on the health system.
    The success of the anti-smoking movement is based largely on the apathy of the general public. The majority are non-smokers and simply don’t care since they are not restricted by legislation, however ridiculous. Those with that attitude had best beware. The zealotry of the anti-smoking mob knows no bounds and new and more innovative life-style legislation will be demanded when tobaccophobia dwindles.

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