Y2Kyoto: Is There Nothing That Obama Can’t Do?

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“This was the moment when the rise of the oceans began to slow and our planet began to heal.”*

On Monday, the Indian government […] bluntly refused to sign any binding agreements on climate change with the United States. India’s Environment Minister Jairam Ramesh went about personally distributing copies of his exchange with Clinton to members of the press as she stood by silently.

Via Tim Blair, who has more.

42 Replies to “Y2Kyoto: Is There Nothing That Obama Can’t Do?”

  2. Obamassiah & his Homies needed to bribe half of Congress to get his Cap& Trade (tax the crap out of Americans)bill passed the House.
    No doubt he will try and bribe India and China (with money he will borrow from them) to get these nations to sign on to the faux crisis he is using to mask his socialization of the USA. This Bribe Money will just add more debt to the huge pile of debt Obamassiah is already adding to future American generation.
    Lie, borrow, lie. Impoverish you nation to salvage your reputation.

  3. Every responsible person in the world understands what fools these people are … except the fellow fools who voted them into office.

  4. pok – agree totally. It is only the starry-eyed US media who don’t see what a disaster this administration is.

  5. Alienating a country of a billion people – is there anything that the MSM will report?

  7. India is a english-speaking, democratic state jammed between Pakistan and China. It should be a major strategic partner but Barry just keeps serving them cowpies. Maybe his inner muslim sees them as hindu oppressors.

  8. And from the post below the Blair link, there’s this –
    Thirty dollars a week for every man, woman and child looks likely to be the price Kiwis will have to pay to do their bit to fight global warming.
    I thought the American estimate of $3900 per year per family was bad – NZ’s is outright grand theft. A family of 3 will have to fork out $4680 per year – for nothing.
    But no, the whole AGW scam isn’t a tax grab. :snort:

  9. It isn’t a tax grab, Kathryn. Didn’t you hear Dion say that the Green Shaft would be revenue neutral?

  10. To all of you rattling on about Obama’s idiotic handing of relations with India, all of this may be true, but Canada has been no better. Shunning India has been Canadian foreign policy, by BOTH major parties, for nearly 40 years. And it did so with widespread public support, so don’t snivel to me that it’s just the MSM.

  11. It looks more and more likely that the future of world prosperity through broadened global trade will be saved by chindia and their allies. The western world is losing its leadership role.

  12. cgh – what does the MSM have to do with this topic?
    The relations between India and Canada cooled when it was revealed that their development of nuclear arms was enabled by Canadian technology. Canada drew back when this was discovered.
    Canada has recently opened two new trade offices in India in Hyderabad and Kolkata in the south as well as Delhi and Mumbai.
    Back to the topic. Obama’s view of himself (sorry, that’s Himself) is that all he has to do is announce a policy and it will be accepted. His make-believe world is being confronted with hard reality. He won’t like this – and therefore, he’ll probably ignore them. Ignoring unpleasant reality is one way to deal with it..much easier than actually living in and dealing with reality.

  13. So, on emissions limits we have:
    China: NO
    Brazil: NO
    India: Hell NO
    Russia: N/A as the closure of soviet era stickhole factories and the rustout of Ladas make it moot.
    The rest of the over-breeding third world: Hell NO
    Why then are we still talking about this idiocy?

  14. Don’t you just hate it when other countries place their own national interests first?

  15. This cold July has the Toronto latte crowd finally saying “Climate Change – WTF?”. Jig is up for Albore and Frootfly. The MSM is just going to look more biased and stupid as they try to sell a cold July as Global Warming. The latte crowd is missing their summer, but glad that their garbage isn’t stinking as badly as it could.
    Do the “professional” journalists have any idea how foolish they look trying to convince us that we are going to burn up when we need the comforter on the bed in these cool July nights?

  16. cgh, can you please supply any backing for your claims that Canada has been shunning India. Beyond the condemnation by the UN, supported by Canada, for nuclear proliferation and the risks associated with the India/Pakistan tensions, which was a real concern for all nations at the time.
    I am not saying you are wrong but I would like to see some real examples that show any trade, economic, immigration or other bias taken unilaterally so I can judge for myself.
    Bush was good for India and Obama has wasted the “diplomacy” that was in place, strange for a “diplomacy should be the first and only option” president.
    Climate Change will not be Obama’s downfall because it is easy to just not radify any agreement like was done with Kyoto I, it will be the auto bailout and the 150 Billion I estimate that will be spent total by the end of 2010 just on this sector.

  17. The quote, “This was the moment when the rise of the oceans began to slow and our planet began to heal,” has a typographic error in it.
    The way Obama wrote it was “This was the moment when the rise of the oceans began to slow and our planet began to HEEL (in obedience to ME.)”

  18. andycanuck,
    I sure hope you were being sarcastic.
    JJM,
    Actually I do hate it. Because of China’s stated policy of placing its own interests above the AGW scam, I’m going to have to rethink my policy of avoiding their goods.

  19. Illiquid, Canada was the leader in the 1970s and 1980s pushing for India’s exclusion from the Nuclear Suppliers Group. Canada was the first to push for further exclusions including safety co-operation after India’s test in response to that of Pakistan in 1998. Canada’s 40 years of policy has been based on the notion that sanctions were sufficient to discourage nations from acquiring nuclear weapons.
    They are not. Nuclear weapons are relatively easy to build for any advanced nation. What is very very difficult is to build the delivery system, and India has just done that with its launch of a nuclear powered ICBM capable submarine.
    As a result of the 1973 nuclear tests, Canada barred all trade with nuclear technology in the mid-1970s, including supply of uranium, to India. It’s restrictions went far beyond those required by any other nation, including international organizations such as NSG or IAEA. As has been pointed out many times in the past, this only compelled India to develop technology truly essential to nuclear proliferation, such as breeding and fuel reprocessing. At the request of the IAEA, Canada offered safety support to India in 1990. With the apparent opening of India to limited nuclear contact, a number of commercial and cultural agreements followed. This was supported by the apparent considerable friendship between Brian Mulroney and Indian Prime Minister Rajiv Gandhi. All of this came to an end in 1998.
    ET, nuclear technology was provided to India in the 1950s under the Colombo Treaty, of which Canada was a part. There were no clauses in the treaty restricting or controlling India’s use. The Pearson administration tried to get assurances after the fact in the 1960s, but it is pure mythology to pretend as all too many Canadians do that India ‘violated’ its agreement with Canada. Second, India’s nuclear facility used for weapons production was the CIRUS reactor, not its CANDUs. Weapons material production and power generation had and have essentially nothing to do with each other, but Canadian politicians, like those elsewhere, were uninterested in making such distinctions.
    Only now with the current administration in Ottawa has a sensible policy with India taken hold. That the US administration is screwing up what was a solid achievement of Bush can only be to our advantage in the long run, at least as long as Canadians avoid dragging up out of the grave the dead zombie of Lloyd Axworthy’s ‘soft power’.

  20. First, there is nothing new here. Obama is very consistent with his pattern of shunning friends in hope of making new friends with enemies. It appears that Obama takes our existing good relationships for granted. As ET points out, Obama appears to live in a fantasy, a fantasy where the worlds existing alliances are political not practical. It seems Obama believes he can make amends with enemies, and keep his existing friends. So with the wave a wand Obama will make everyone get along, regardless of history and current conflicts. Yes, it appears that Obama is in complete denial.
    “The western world is losing its leadership role.”
    Quite possibly, and rightly so. When the Americans are being lectured by China on free enterprise, when the Americans are reducing their military in a world with escalating conflict, and most importantly, when the Americans cannot be trusted to uphold contracts, they do not deserve to lead the world.

  21. Obama is gut shot. I am not that worried about him anymore. That trillion dollars he wasted on the “stimulus” was money well borrowed and spent, because it won’t be repeated year on year forever, and it blew his credibility.
    Even the trolls, who are as impervious to reality as a frog’s ass is to a puddle, are getting dispirited.

  22. BTW, our lender, China, has put us on notice that we are going to bear higher taxes or they will stop financing our debt. I personally wouldn’t mind inflating the debt away, since the money was dishonestly come by by artificially holding down the value of their currency. At this point, I think Obama should tell them to pound salt, but since he needs to spend huge to keep the people who voted for him swimming in the trough and sucking at the tit, he can’t. The only way to tell China where to go is to balance the budget, and the Democrats wouldn’t do it if they could.

  23. Tim
    I’m coming around to your thinking. I think Obama will get his climate package through, but I’m hoping the Blue Dems have the ballz to stand-up to him. I think that the prospect of new revenues will be too much to resist, even for Republicans; but, dumb luck has blessed the GOP, and they can vote “no” and still reap the benefits of new taxes. It goes without saying that Canada will do whatever the Americans do.
    If Cap’nTrade fails in the US; will Canada’s true believers PMSH and S.Day still proceed with Canada’s version of Cap’nTrade?

  24. Yes, Kathryn, I was being sarcastic. (Thus Green Shaft.)
    ;^)
    Unlike the Canadian astronaut who the MSM is going nuts over for having “proven” catastrophic, manmade global warming because it looks like the Arctic ice cap is smaller than when the astronaut last saw it from space.

  25. While India exports a population of intelligent, well-educated people around the world, I find it hard to respect any country that STILL has no infrastructure outside major cities. It needs to be said that the infrastructure inside major cities is questionable as well. Garbage services are one step ahead of Guatemala which is nonexistent.
    Plus, a large proportion of the population believes dogs are the reincarnation of particularly evil people and so literally “hound” and beat them mercilessly.
    Having got that off my chest, I was proud of “W” and his stance with India. On the other hand, nothing teleprompter jesus does surprises me. He is intuitively obscure since he works from his base instincts and his own little red book of political correctness.

  26. You know, I was over at the Friedmans’ pool just the other day for a party.
    As I was sipping a glass of perfectly chilled bubbly, I mentioned to Thomas how tiresome all the opposition to climate change from these squalid Third World countries was.
    We agreed India was particularly annoying on this, what with all those wretched poor people there breeding like flies.
    Still, our spirits were lifted by the marvellous catered lunch we then enjoyed under the marquee.
    (Just in time too since the rain had set in. The summer has been so-o-o disappointingly cool and wet this year.)

  27. cgh, I think I said quite plainly not including the Nuclear Sanctions issues, so you then went on to say that we have made steps to re-open the relationship in recent years, so I am even more confused over your first statement.
    I am seeing a disconnect here?

  28. I personally wouldn’t mind inflating the debt away, since the money was dishonestly come by by artificially holding down the value of their currency”
    Tim, that’s like curing a headache by guillotine; as the foreign debt inflates away, so do your savings, 401K, and any other assets you have.
    Inflation is worse than increased taxation, because it retroactively “taxes” or kills everything you’ve already invested or saved.
    Much better to win the 2010 interims, and vote this rabid socialist out of office in ’12; hopefully you can get a conservative back in charge of the GOP to begin reversing the damaged caused to-date, and that will be caused until ’10.
    mhb23re
    at gmail d0t calm

  29. Sorry if I’ve created confusion, Illiquid. Aside from nuclear, I understand there were a number of non-related commercial and cultural agreements following 1990 that were all flushed in 1998. I do not know specific details, only what has been reported to me second and third hand. Among these I believe were restrictions to access on export credit and guarantee from Export Development Canada.

  30. You know, this could be trouble. If Barry cheeses the Indians off, where are all those call centers going to end up?
    Besides, India has the fifth largest blue water navy in the world right now, I think, and is the only major sea power in the area. Not who you want to have cranky with you, Barry.

  31. ho ho ho, ha ha ha. idiots rule, the rest will suffer until they have had enough then the shit, shit , will hit the fan.

  32. “Besides, India has the fifth largest blue water navy in the world right now,”
    Yeah, that’s what keeps me up at night, India’s blue water navy. Maybe Canada can outsource patrolling her claims to Arctic navigation lanes.

  33. Unlike the Canadian astronaut who the MSM is going nuts over for having “proven” catastrophic, manmade global warming because it looks like the Arctic ice cap is smaller than when the astronaut last saw it from space.
    Posted by: andycanuck at July 27, 2009 2:18 PM
    Did anybody tell this astronaut and the MSM that being further out in space makes everything look smaller.

  34. Pissedoff how dare you question mother corp!! tsk, tsk.
    He’s an astronaut after all, seen with his own eyes!
    Makes him a flippin weather expert according to them.
    Meanwhile the story of how the tar sands may not being as dirty to produce as Saudi’s current production process is not likely to be given a second of air time.
    (Although I am not watching them anymore actually!)
    Hope this does prove out.
    http://www.financialpost.com/news-sectors/story.html?id=1820567

  36. From space: Thirsk –
    “This is probably just a perception, but I just have the feeling that the glaciers are melting, the snow capping the mountains is less than it was 12 years ago when I saw it last time,” Thrisk [SIC] was quoted as saying. “That saddens me a little bit.”
    PROBABLY JUST A PERCEPTION … I HAVE THE FEELING

  38. The good part about this little vignette is that stupid, stupid ignoramus of a woman Hillary Klinton was left standing there with her big fat yap open…. and not one word came from her.
    I’ve been smiling all day about that!

  40. Indiana Homez – I believe the term used to describe the international relationships Obameh presently has is “frienemies”. His relations are all in limbo so to speak – meaning friends waiting to become his enemy or enemies wanting to become his friend – which will then, undoubtedly, regret any relationship with him.
    On another note, I am still of the opinion that Obameh commenting on Gates being asked for his ID by authorities was subconsciously driven by his own resentment of the American population asking to see his ID (the sealed long form birth certificate).

  41. This global warming bull is so out of control, soon Fat Albert will be rounding up virgins, if he can find any, and chucking them into volcanos to appease his god gaya. What caused those glaciers to melt after th last 3 ice ages? Must have been Thag Simmons and his buddy Grog out hunting mastadons in their suv’s hey Soozookie.

  42. http://www.southernpoliticalreport.com/storylink_727_948.aspx
    This is the Southern Democrat Senators who are not
    pushing Cap & trade
    The Midwestern State Democrat Senators are also
    against Cap & Trade….
    The Cap & Trade seems dead.. That is why the Market is UP
    Boxer will need to bag some more Blacks, and hold them hostage. I hear she has connections to the Teamsters (lawyer husband)

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