H/T to “a different bob” who rightly notes that “This is bad news for the CBC”.
“You know, it’s over $200-billion budget, hundreds of thousands of people, and sometimes not everyone gets the message,” Mr. Kenney said. “I think there is a tendency to be a little bit naive in Canada. We’re so self-congratulatory about the success of our model of pluralism and diversity that surely no one could really mean ill in Canada…. We don’t necessarily all subscribe to Canadian values, and we should be willing to recognize those that don’t.”
He gave the example of discovering last year that the Canadian Islamic Congress had been providing sensitivity training sessions to the Canadian Air Transportation Security Authority.
“No comment,” he said. “They’re no longer doing that.”
Be sure to read to the end. I want this guy for Prime Minister.
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Be glad you live in Canada, where you are afforded an opportunity to drop the hatreds you experienced in your former country.
There’s no reason Canadian politicians need to be involved in the problems other countries have created for themselves.
And, there’s no reason for Canadian taxpayers to fund those who perpetuate foreign issues which have little to do with Canadian’s efforts to build a better life for themselves.
ET has covered all the points in a most excellent way, and I can only agree. Spot on!
“It’s a beautiful sunny day, global warming is giving us a nice warm March,”
More global warming please, we’re still plugging our cars in Sask.
I do not believe hatred is belong to only country we come from you can see it in Canada too but may got more mature to handle and control it now and political views in all counties are changed and shift to give thier people more freedom and some time listen not only order but also take order too
you can find love and like but start first you yourself like yourself and other will find love in you too it is not location or country can be lable this country is full of love while we can see some country under war are facing more unfairness than others
hate and like is some thing spritually inside of each person when you are kind and likable you can attract all even enemy to like you but you do not like to seat with them I never label my country as hatefull country since I grow among so many good people originally all depend of condition you left it all and now you used moving country is not easy job you may think even your parents did first year most people feel home sick called it!
most people by change their home may face heart attack change country and become immigrant to Canada in fist one years is very tough for all immigrant they do not like it later they used ot since relatioship in Canada are kind of cold for us some times it take at least 3 years to used to
It is like you may like your mother poor to get adopted with rich foster mother leaving family is tough job you are not aware about immigrant went through some much to move here because they haveto
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How you handle the challenges life has given you, on a individual level, is the most important thing.
That’s what I meant by “the hatreds you experienced in your country.’ Nobody who was born or grew up in Canada can completely understand it, since he have our own problems that need to be taken are of.
It does not mean you are hateful. All Canadians ask is that you deal with those experiences in your own way and to allow us to meet our own challenges in our own way.
ET wrote: Ted tells us that he speaks for all Canadians, he’s using this false argument of ‘ad populam’.
Ad populam. Good one.
Storm:
Not only did ET misspell it, she misapplied the term and she missed the point.
If you think Middle east or Africa and USA problems are not your problems in Canada and you can not affect with world problems realistic in big picture is not true in small detail you may be right in some extend all world are link like some area has earthquick other help them
if you say you have limited of time money and resources to think you your wife your children your boss your mother your neighbor your freind your Canadian problmes again that is understandable while still some times you can not hide your head in pillow to not see other problmes and we as human watch news will get affect and say our opionion directly or indirectly
have so many homes in world if you are lucky to have or in so many province in Canada is good it is not disadvantage in all the time I watch one of your celebrity she said she has 5 big million dollar house and he 4 kids call all 5 homes which located in 5 part of world one in England one in USA and one in Australia and etc all count as their home too
if you stop all political to listen to your prolbmes like serlankan people I saw protesting recently I have no idea about thier detail but most country has thier own community in Canada so many protest may not linke with all of us it link to their own group party in Canada nobody like to face disruption for soem one else problmes
not everybody are sensative to your personal problems or even care I agree
Having so many argument in Canada nobody like it for sure but some times not able to avoided too
It is like you have one freind or 10 freind and all has problmes like to share with you and need your help or may help you too you can not see one way street
that is reason now all country seat and think about economic crisis and link to each other to do not allow one area stay hungry and one get rich and get overweight
in big company every person has limited of time and able easy to talk with 5 person and if we go down in position it will add more people in those list now you can complain we can not allow one person seat as prime minster of canada and think about every think I agree but we can have link with forign policy to each other to ease each other job not always all link among people or resolve issue is lead disadantage to you.
Most people who are link with thier home land are people who has political background though not every body think about link with country problems daily unless they may have profit to do so some times or has interest do not come to conclusio seeing few voice to conclude all immigrant of serilanka are wish the same
just need hire some one to listen what they say
it is like you go to court as a judge and you say I can not see so many people per day ro help them and help justice done but you can not hold all complain stand with no judge you need to have more judge or train one to take care of people that is job of poltician is like big company staff who each has hired to take care one to 5 job not all jobs
It is easy to say it not easy to follow it to do forget your home land you can not ask that but you can say I have no time or interest of fund to help it or staff to take care of all people problmes I agree with it. If some one like watch satlite and see home land and their problems it is up to them you can not also ask Canadian live in China to foget Canada for ever they have chance for come back of them again they need to updat in thier home land too you must some times understand other peopel view I know hard for you
As I said already
It all depends again
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How can anybody solve the problems of the world when they cannot even make themselves perfect?
Should we give up on our own lives and try to change others when we realize we cannot even change ourselves?
Turn away from evil and do good.
Seek peace and pursue it.
Canada offers a place where individuals can pursue their own inner peace without being threatened by others.
Anybody in Canada who chooses to live in self-imposed misery are only getting what they themselves wish to be.
If nobody can change your mind, how can you expect to change anybody else’s mind?
You can not think anybody talk about home land mad you scare to plan to hurt Canada or take peace out
You may like some people or group or freind that even your spouse or parents do not like them or interest about them since not know them when you do not know some group you loose interest about them you can not stop them to show interest to thier groups this is relative to people choice and freedom you can not dicate people what to do in any thing or call you control fricks
Some times you become perfect best man in planet but that time is too late your parents are died to get help from you human nature always hungry and seek road to become perfect still not happy
you can not stop people help each other if they can
helping others some times is your job like politician or some time hobey for other to use in their spare time or some times other give advice to find solution before it is too late all based on time limit and person some people donate or help so many some people not able to take care of themselve in Canada capcity of people and group is different if we have choice give people to choose legaly way of help not limit them
I have money like to help earthquick in my country or hunger in my country come from nothing wrong human are human and needs are same
one of reason is lack of information about some country may scare you while for immigrant is not
keep follow law is no question to ask you can not contact your home land by break canada laws
interest of people are different like interest among Candian from west to east is different
we can not think cheap and ignorant but not agresive and attack them or defensive with them
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Can you say to Obama to forget his brother who live in Africa in poor situation
all is up to him if some one help his brother it does not mean help his country too
We need put piority in some job and time more than other you can not put plug in your ear not hear it and if you can do not help it
This is only proof that Obama did not have any link with his other brother for long time and boht grow differnelty if you link with people you help them if not you grow differently finacially mentally and culturally gradually this is not degeneration phenamena
or if some one wish place thier mother still live become safe and good that is not mean they are link to political party
Some immigrant are link some do not as thier interst if you have stock market you need to know as much as you possibly can about all world changes
It is easier for people to travel to have metro or highway to rid horse we need link nothing sell free though even counsulting of Canada to foright country can be bring revenew to Canada
asking what is your problmes yes we Canadian can help the world but there is cost attached
You defintly are not link with immigrant and not know or feel them and we may not feel your thought too
please do not force peopel pretend they do not like their home land since this is fake behvaiour you expecting and not realistic of what you are asking
This interest will reduce over years over change new generation you can not expect miracle and person hit his head to wall over accident suddently guy forget all dats and not remember who his uncle name is in home land!!?? where they come from and forget their home land it is impossible dream you are asking
come one give me break you need to link with immigrant some times to know them more it help you feel more better to scare hell of you free as long as not take your freedom watch them carfully
People can change not in a day arrival
that is reason most peope with parents not born in Canada are some times has argue over culture
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My parents were not born in Canada.
I was not born in Canada.
I never think about the country where my parents came from because my life is here.
If you have difficulty letting go of the issues of the country where you came from, that’s your problem, not anybody else’s.
Get over it!
My question @ 2:32 remains. I would sincerely appreciate knowing whether the Charter of Rights and Freedoms bestows the “right of peaceful assembly” to outlawed terrorist organizations.
The City of Toronto says that they do. I find it difficult to reconcile our Charter defending the right of assembly in a public place to an illegal group.
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We all have problems.
Yours are no more important than anybody else’s.
Let’s face it, the liberals count on the “new” vote to give them any chance at government again.
set you free:
This is my last post to this regard I can not continue this discusion really
I am in boring situation today must finish one job still within one more our and I decide to say one now still stock to this comments I must go soon
before Kate kick us out of talk too much
or people hate me more to know me more in different
In fact
I get over it long long long time ago
I am not thinking like past linked to memory while
I do not like to forget all good memory or let it go for ever or pretend my past never exist
this is who we are
unfortunatly we can not change our past history
I can adopt easy with almost anybody or culture except some Pakistani culture who sometimes lies so much I do not know why! or some lazy Canadian official workers who doing nothing and ask so much that is only two groups i do not like otherwise I like every human in my life and pretend they know more than us immigrant to Canada
We have idiom say
you can close door of your country you can not close door of your mouth of your people
having so many 100 political partiwes fight and argue in street of Toronto to say thier opion is not safe it is not culture here police are not ready or may not know we do not have very tough law to stop them if all lead more vilonace inside then polic tired to prevent that small do not become big flame I quiet understand I agree with it police for safty do look for preventition to protect to start them add water to stop fired
People usually when I study in past start nicely to say thier differnce suddently it will go big fight if some one break all thier dreams and idea of living
It is not safe for any body I know waht you mean exactly it can be lead to vendolizm too and bring fear transfer here too
Liberal are not immigrant just pretend more respect them do not show them their opion to thier face but we can see their in their eyes we are not stupid really to fool by conservative liberal party made them one like us more than otehrs this is all depend how much they experice work or talk with immigrants
I have quiet experince that in so many group ideas and opionion bring more problems and less control and more risk in safty for all of us live here I agree of waht you say
this is not hotel Canada ( I heard this word from Candian once I could not laugh) for give room people to go and fight in each room I understand your frustration
while
I personally have no issue about my home land but some
people who has issue are peopel who are
refugee or link in opposition with thier home land poltical opsition and why they have issue
I tell you an example you may get educated yourself
nature of those voice link to poltician and profit and freedom of them taking away there
you as Canadian live other part of country can feel same for day of happy or day of rememberance day if you too much link with culture too
if some one come to you say and said Hay do not talk about Harper in Middle east you do not like this and see as offensive or thread
As long as some one say some thing calmly is ok
A person left home land and not able to come back and has land there to sell or thier parent are sick need to back and they do not give them visa to come back
people who one member of their family are in big argument may affect his brother visa back too
or issue over travelling over asset there over family left there over poltic differences there
again when I open this argue with you I am not talking about myself I try to feel those opposition too of their pain sometimes they went throught unfairly
nobody said it is your business at all while some time police may involve to seperte those group from each other
this is like protest of hamas and Isreali
I think nicely goverment should not take side while Canada may take side saying other better and other worste
people with experince I have I never take side
since I am not living in Palestine nor in Isreali to support law over there but soem they do because of link there
some see their family dieing or suffering there or hear them or see them in TV they show thier emotion link to area
It is like you have 5 kid and one TV and all are diffent age and like in one time watch 5 differnt programs solution recored and watch in diffent time or give time frame and balance their needs
you can not allow them start fight over one TV Canada if you let parents can not hold kids calm over one home too like police and security do not like all people in roof of hotel canada start fight internally over all differnt film of past or ideas if start nobody can see any movie
This country need labor job to do certain job Canadian are not train like most likely chilredn of all subsize housing at least 75 percent become future labour workers for Canada then you can not deny exist of them and some work come with pack attached some has junk mail to it some bring gold you do not know anything untill that mail get open and see what is inside of taht new immigrant mail room is
I know it is too funny to sing Michael Jakson song all colour all relgion and all hold hand nicely to dance happily with smile because it may lead scream or crying movie on other horrible film
take care
ted – I mispelled ‘ad populam’? Prove it. I’ve seen it both as populam and populum. Both are used. Try again, ted.
And no, I used it correctly. You are trying to support your own singular opinion by telling us that all Canadians support your opinion. Heh. That’s a pseudo-authority, telling us that your opinion is popular, is widespread, is common.
The appeal to popularity is a ‘fallacy that occurs when people seek to infer merit or truth from popularity. It is known as the ‘fallacy of bandwagon jumping or, in Latin, ad populam”.
“The premise or premises of such an argument indicate that some product or belief is popular..The conclusion of the argument is that you should accept [the argument] because it is popular”. That’s from a usask. web site on logic. Introduction to Practical Logic.LGC 100. There are tons of others, ted. Go to it. Have fun. Learn something. Just once.
Why are there no trolls on here screaming that funding cuts are censorship?
Was there a new talking point issued or something?
batb – I’m sure you can access the Charter yourself. The Charter says taht ‘everyone has the following fundamental freedoms’ and 2c is ‘freedom of peaceful assembly’.
The charter says nothing about legal or illegal groups.
I’m unsure what you mean by ‘the City of Toronto says that they do’.
The Tamils, who don’t consider themselves Sri Lankans, have so far organized two peaceful demonstrations in Toronto. Neither one disrupted traffic, for they were on the sidewalk; the roads were free. I don’t think that the Toronto Star article was accurate.
It is quite inaccurate to say that IF you are a Tamil, THEN you are a terrorist, or a member of a terrorist group. That’s akin to saying that IF you are Muslim, you are terrorist.
The Tamil, an ethnic group, don’t want to be part of Sri Lanka. They are OK, apparently, in India, where they don’t feel repressed culturally but do feel that way in Sri Lanka. Both sides, the Tamil and Sri Lanka are guilty of extreme violence.
But – again, the Tamils in Toronto are not necessarily terrorists! And their two demonstrations have so far been extremely passive and peaceful. Oh, and no garbage left around for the city to pick up..unlike other parades and demonstrations.
Kudos to Minister Kenney and the Conservative government for cracking down on anti-Semitism! Clearly, it’s becoming ever worse and worse and must not be tolerated any longer, not even when thinly veilled by phony, dishonest criticism of Israel.
Defaming Israel is an anti-Semitic act, for those who hate and bash Israel without having any credible evidence that Israel has done wrong, they are anti-Semites, actually. It’s time to say so!
Related…
I just did this post. And I pull no punches, for the Leftists deserve each jab, uppercut and roundhouse that flows from my fingertips thru the internet.
Ignatieff’s Liberals Engaged In War On Religion
http://thecanadiansentinel.blogspot.com/2009/03/ignatieffs-liberals-engaged-in-war-on.html
I accuse the “Progressive” Liberal Left of neo-Nazism. And I mean it seriously.
ET, thanks for your comments. Yes, I’m sure I could access the Charter of Rights and Freedoms, but that doesn’t mean I would understand all of the legal implications of said Charter.
I wrote to Mayor Miller and asked about the permit a Toronto police officer, whom I had spoken to in the vicinity of the rally, told had been given the demonstrators by the city. Perhaps the police officer’s information was incorrect.
Re your comments, “It is quite inaccurate to say that IF you are a Tamil, THEN you are a terrorist, or a member of a terrorist group. That’s akin to saying that IF you are Muslim, you are terrorist,” and “the Tamils in Toronto are not necessarily terrorists!” obviously, both of your statements are correct. However, I categorically did NOT say that all Tamils are terrorists.
The protesters, however, were carrying LTTE posters and many of the demonstrators were waving LTTE flags. When I asked one of the demonstraters who they were, they told me that they were Tamil Tigers. Because the current Conservative government banned the LTTE in 2006 for using suicide bombers and child soldiers in its goal for an independent homeland for Sri Lankan Tamils, I presumed, without prejudice, that these demonstrators were representative of an outlawed terrorist group.
The police officer I spoke to expressed his frustration that illegal terrorist groups are permitted to march by the thousands in the city, but pointed out that the police take their orders from above and that there wasn’t very much they could do about the situation except to carry out their orders to be on hand should violence or any breaking of the law take place.
IMO, it is irrelevant that, in your words, “their two demonstrations have so far been extremely passive and peaceful … and no garbage left around for the city to pick up … unlike other parades and demonstrations.”
I don’t care how clean a group outlawed terrorist organizations are here in Canada (their collateral damage in their homeland is far from “clean”): They are illegal and they are terrorists and there should be no option for such a group to publicly demonstrate on Toronto streets.
And, BTW, don’t Toronto taxpayers have to pick up the tab for the police presence at this demonstration — and in a time of economic downturn? That, alone, is an issue.
Oh, ET. Just because it is so easy, here: http://www.spellingcenter.com/ad+populam
Remember, ET, google and the dictionary (it’s a book with lots of words in it, your local library has several) are your friends.
And next time when you are totally wrong on such a minor thing, try not to be so arrogant when you are corrected.
And just because you’ve got the correct definition, still does not mean you have used the term correctly here. Which you most certainly and obviously have not.
Speaking of the Tamil tiger supporters that tried to shut down Toronto and caused panic on the TTC because they pioneered the Suicide-Bomber which see Canadians as the enemy .
Lets get together about 20’000 protesters to go to THEIR place of commerce and form a human chain around it to disrupt their lives , BUT, we do it in the guise of showing support for them and want the Media to cover it as to see the plight of the Tamil community.
Oh wait…..the Police would round us up as intolerant bigots and racists trying to prevoke these peaceful people into responding with violence .
David Miller and Toronto’s yahoos in charge have aligned themselves with the fascists thugs and terrorist friendly immigrant voters and hechooses to arrest the Canadians who protest the protesters that embrace violence and killing all the jews on Earth.
God help Canada in 30 years when the average person in canada is a coward that fled their homeland because it wasn’t worth dieing for when sucker Nations like Canada may send canadian soldiers to die for their freedom back home.
Canada is becoming a Hotel for people that want a dual/triple citizenship for their globe trotting and expect Canada to bail out their sorry A$$ if they chose to go to a war-Zone and support Terrorist like the Hezballah in Lebanon.
The old style Refugee actually fought tyranny and saw their relatives killed by the oppressors and finally saw peace to seek a new life in canada.
Today we have many cowards dumped on our shores
who themn have the nerve to demand that we Change out Law for them and fund their Culture so the feel like they did back home.
I have no Country to go back to because my fathers people were aboriginals and go back thousands fo years , this does give me an insight to how the Palestinians feel because I now see the Arabs and Muslims as invaders and occupiers who are taking my fathers land to import their own laws and culture .
I will defend my soil if these people start acting out with Suicide bombers to slaughter Canadians that don’t accept islam and bow to Muhammad and Allah , since Media people like John Moore from CFRB love to mock the Catholic Church and those that believe in Creationism like the Muslims do as well…..I’d like to hear him give an opinion on my fathers people that still worship Gods for the Sun and Earth.
Are Aboriginals a bunch of stupid losers like Christians and Muslims according to your version of reality??? , and I’d pay just to hear John Moore tell everyone if he agrees that the naked males in the Pride Parade that flaunt their penis to little boys are harming the kids and not a healthy tolerant display in Public.
David Miller and Dalton McGuinty have yet to condemn the nudity and merely hide behind the Ontario Judge that ruled in favour of the quasi-pedophilia and child abuse as a Charter Right for sexual preferences.
How insulting that Immigrants and gays aren’t expected to have the same moral standards as others and we must accept any violence or law-breaking in Public.
I’m so glad I’m close to retiring and will get the hell out of Toronto to find a nice quiet town up North where I can pound that crap out of a thugs that assaults me and not worry about being perceived as the Racist.
Wow. This guy gets it. Never thought I would see that soon in any Politicians. He’s even figured out their Hydra organizational scam to solicit funds from the dumb kaffirs. Jizra for Islam by NGO‘s all claiming different bodie4s but representing one organization. Good article as well.
no, ted, my claim stands; the term ad populam or ad populum are both used. Check out your google for ‘critical thinking fallacies’. Check out bandwagon fallacy, appeal to popular opinion.
Oh, and if I know what the term means (bandwagoning, attempt to show that your view is held by many)..then, I’m using it correctly to criticize the fact that you tried to claim that your view is held by ‘all Canadians’.
Interesting how you haven’t acknowledged that you have no right to claim that you speak for not merely all Canadians, but for any Canadian other than yourself.
NEW for Prime Minister!
“ps your accent is slipping”