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When I heard that people were going to collect for a headstone I thought that the family would never allow them to put one on the grave. This girl meant nothing to them. Less than nothing.
Maybe the money could go to another kind of memorial. A picture of her on a couple of billboards in key places around town with the mention of honour killings. That would raise awareness. Especially if thousands of muslims come out and protest the billboards.
The whole muslim community must be so angry at Aqsa, now that her father and brother are in jail, charged with her murder. Stupid young muslim bitch. No wonder she is dead, too dumb to know her place.
Maybe they should add her name to one of the many memorials to the ‘Montreal Massacre’ (Canada’s first Muslim terrorist attack).
It’s sometimes hard to sit back and mind your own business. Sometimes we feel everyones business is our busines, but it’s not. Lets face it some people just have to much time on their hands and want to help everyone, even when they don’t want help. The girl is dead the man who killed her is in jail. It’s the world we live in. People kill people everyday, because it’s a young girl we feel bad? I feel bad for everyone who is killed by someones hand. Most of the time it’s because people can’t control their emotions. Relax enjoy life, buy a Harley and ride.
webbhog
Yep a research arborereum would be a terrible place to remember a young person that was extinguished before they had the chance to bloom.
Any time I’ve ever been to a graveyard, I’ve never encountered much of a crowd. It’s probably the worst place to build a memorial. Why don’t you take a stab at the new Human Rights Museum? If you can’t get right inside the museum, go for a highly visible sign close to the entrance.
If that doesn’t work, just go ahead and take all those donations, and go to Disneyland.
Guelph is a bit of an odd choice for the location of a memorial – it’s not exactly nearby.
The City of Mississauga has a commemorative tree & bench program – see http://www.mississauga.ca/portal/residents/parks?paf_gear_id=9700018&itemId=200022.
That I think would be a better choice, although there’s no guarantee that other roadblocks wouldn’t be put up.
Well said Kate — “Even the people at the women’s studies office”
What a shame!
Is the university’s response really that much of a surprise? They have a lot of very nice buildings that they don’t want blown up.
The fact that the Toronto Star’s office tower is right beside the flight paths for the Toronto Island Airport has, I would think, an obvious effect upon their editorial stance.
The Toronto Sun is housed in a much more nondescript building in what I’ve always considered to be a semi-abandoned part of Toronto — so they can afford to run stories like this.
“Even when they don’t want help”,
Thankfully webhog is here to channel a murdered dead teenage girl’s wishes for us.
Which, unbelievably enough, sound exactly like those of a muslim fanatic Islamotard murderers’.
Did 16 year old Aqsa Parvez want help when her father held her down with the help of her brother to slit her throat?
Jeez,…never mind , I just have “too much time on my hands”
BTW, thanks for explaining you “feel bad for everyone who is killed by someones hand”, I was a little worried you might be a physcopath or something.
Have a nice ride.
I’ve been wondering, do you suppose there’s a 12 year old, somewhere in Canada, who’s been designated to marry Omar Khadr?
Liberal MP’s are offering their daughters as we speak.
richfisher,
did you read all I said or just what you wanted?
Oh never mind richfisher, read what you want even if the words are not there.
I feel bad for all that die at other peoples hands. Not just because it’s a young girl, old women, young man, or old man. It’s all the same to me. I don’t like it……*(*(&^
now I’ll go for a ride, thank you very much for your promission.
Any positive action that requires the assent or cooperation of the family is a no go because if they did so it could be considered an apostate action and they could be ostracized within their community.
Some producer or talented writer should be approached regarding a factual book or script outline about this murder dedicated to helping girls in similar peril. The present money and ongoing fund raising could be used to help with the expenses involved in getting the ball rolling. That way her tragic end will have a real living memorial that can reach and teach everyone. A documentary movie script, a book, who knows how far it could soar?
I for one like that idea.
Sgt Legaune- Fat chance any writer will touch this story. Film makers and writers have been murdered for less.
Give it up, folks. Take the donations, and throw a pig roast in her honour.
Create your own bus sign.
““There’s probably no god. Now stop worrying and enjoy your life.””
Webbhog: “Relax enjoy life, buy a Harley and ride.”
There is probably no Allah. Now stop worrying and enjoy your life. (*H/T)
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Posted by Chris on February 10th, 2009
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TORONTO, ONTARIO–(Marketwire – Feb. 10, 2009) – Freethought Association of Canada announces it will move its “Atheist Bus” campaign into more cities, including Ottawa, after surpassing $40,000.
The ads, which have been approved in Toronto and Calgary, declare *“There’s probably no god. Now stop worrying and enjoy your life.”” http://atheistbus.ca/
lickmuffin – just a point about your description of the geographic area of the Toronto Sun as ‘semi-abandoned’. The condominium boom has changed this area.
My own view on this is that, despite the fact that this was an ‘honour killing’ within a cultural mindset that views women as both property and as reflections of that culture and the family, I don’t agree with outsiders erecting a memorial.
If we want to intrude on this mindset and insist that it modernize, the fundraising and efforts ought to go to magazine articles, documentaries, Town Hall debates and so on. Not about this murder in particular but about the whole mindset that results in such an action. Her murder and that of others could be used as examples. That will have a far more productive result.
‘There’s probably no global warming. Now stop worrying and enjoy your life.’
I’d contribute to such a bus ad.
I second the motion on the Human Rights Museum. I’d like to see the bureaucrats try and say no to that type of exhibit. We can have a wall with all the names of the young women in Canada whose lives have been snuffed by the dishonourable practice of “honour killings”… with an explanation of what an “honour” killing is.
~~favill~~
“Why don’t you take a stab at the new Human Rights Museum? ”
What a good idea!
Other great ideas in here as well.
The problem is, the HRM is already being accused of being too “pro-jew”.
Sincere question: Can someone put themselves in the minds of the Women’s Studies folks at the Univ. of Guelph and explain to us all why this would be a case they’d want to stay away from.
I truly don’t get it.
I agree with ET posted @ 12:22 pm and this posted –
Posted by: webbhog at February 12, 2009 11:01 AM
“It’s sometimes hard to sit back and mind your own business, etc, etc, etc, – Relax enjoy life, buy a Harley and ride.”
Both posters have valid points.
I say Aqsa Pervez will not be forgotten.
Google her name, she is already immortalized there.
….. . . . ..
And speaking of Harleys, slightly off topic, but today is Friday the thirteenth and Port Dover Ontario will be overrun with Harleys and Hondas and every other make or model, today.
Wasn’t this an episode from “Little Mosque on the Prairie”?
Oh, yeah……..
Could somebody please direct me to the Men’s Studies Center?
Please! Her Father and brother are felons! They should have NO SAY whatsoever!
How about the city of Mississauga puts a statue at the Square One? In the end, she was murdered in Mississauga. Or the Parliament Hill in Ottawa. Both places are equally relevant.
*
Islamic community rallies ’round… wait a freakin’ minute… “Mohammad, buddy, here’s what you and your friends seem to be missing…
this is not some primitive village in the tribal hinterlands of Pakistan.” “This is Canada. We don’t even execute people like Clifford Olsen, or Paul
Bernardo… never mind defiant teenage girls.”
*
I live next door to the U of G and frequently ride my bike through the Arboretum and the Memorial Forrest…it’s a beautiful place. My daughter is graduating from there next month and is President of her College.
Strangely enough my wife and I are having dinner with Alastair Summerlee President & Vice-Chancellor and his wife in early March. I will bring the subject up at that dinner and report via e-mail to Kate on the outcome.
Mea Culpa – Tomorrow is friday 13 – Yes in Port Dover too.
Joe.
Google ‘honour killing” and Aqsa Pervez name will be prominent.
Sadly her Canadian memorial is assured, but not in
a comforting manner.
“There’s probably no global warming. Now stop worrying and enjoy your life.”
I’d contribute to that bus ad, too.
when a muzzle-em spy in great brittan point out the authorities the an accidentle death of a young woman was an honour killing, the authorities became aware that hundreds of previous deaths of young kuzzle-em women may also have been such killings, sure make one appreciate “minding one’s own business”. H!ll, if that young muslim woman hadn’t alerted the autorities they would have saved a lot of investigative expenses. So if this whole deal sevres to awaken people out of minding their own business, it will have served a usefull purpose, bless Aqsa, and may she rest in peace!!
“In the end, she was murdered in Mississauga. Or the Parliament Hill in Ottawa.”
Aaron, is that accidental or deliberate that your post implies she may have been murdered on the Parliament Hill in Ottawa?
Either way, that might just be the most insightful post on this thread. The stage set by the Trudeau government, before she was born.
“I truly don’t get it.”
C’mon Robert, you don’t have to be a woman to “get it”. Follow the money!
IMO it’s all politics, most victim groups exist for the sake of existence. Women’s groups dare not step on the toes of other “interests” they cooperate with, the “coalition”. Some sacrifices must be made to maintain the status quo.
Result: some women are not worth standing up for.
After all, “There are many problematic things that happen in our community and we have to make choices because we can’t respond to everything,” (Hall said.)
See? There isn’t time to worry about a Muslim girl.
“Maybe they should add her name to one of the many memorials to the ‘Montreal Massacre’ (Canada’s first Muslim terrorist attack).”
What a “hell” of a good idea. Although the MM wasn’t an honor killing it was conducted by a muslim. Whats the difference.
Horny Toad
In the story, Tarek Fatah has given us a clue on how to separate the nutbars from the pack.
He says he’s a Muslim who’s tired of Islam: “There are times when I feel like beating my head against the Islamist wall, partly in despair, but mostly in anger.”
That’s the same distinction Fr. Zakaria Botros, the Arabic-speaking commentator makes when he says: ‘I love Muslims, I hate Islam.’
Islam doctrine, its bloodthirsty code of honour of ISLAM, is what killed Asqua Pervez.
That’s what needs to be exposed even more.
Just go and plant a small stone with her name on it. My bet is that the family doesnt visit and that the stone will remain for some time.
I really don’t have a good idea on how to commemorate her life,so I wrote a short letter to CairCan asking for their advice. I’m sure they will get back to me shortly. Once they do, I will post their reply here or in reader’s tips.
I like the bus ad idea:
There’s probably no Allah, now stop honour killing. (in memory of Aqsa Parvez)
or – now stop suicide bombing (in memory of suicide bombing victims)
richfisher at February 12, 2009 11:29 AM
Well said.
“Sincere question: Can someone put themselves in the minds of the Women’s Studies folks at the Univ. of Guelph and explain to us all why this would be a case they’d want to stay away from.
I truly don’t get it.”
Read the communist manifesto:
“In short, the Communists everywhere support every revolutionary movement against the existing social and political order of things.”
They see the islamists as potential allies and dupes of the moment. What does the life of a few women matter if the islamists can help with the ultimate aim of the destabilization and overthrow of the status quo? Thus they want the Islamists to behave like crazy nuts. It creates divisions and chaos which the radical left hopes to exploit. If the marxists who dominate women’s studies studies start to criticise the Islamists, they would be delegitimising their own allies and legitimising the system they hope to destroy.
Put simply, to the marxists western civilisation is the enemy. And to them, the enemy of my enemy is my friend.
The fact the family is refusing the money for the headstone is pretty much an admission that they were/are ashamed of her for refusing to be a “good submissive Muslim female”… and almost an admission that it was a honour killing.
Can any liberal explain to me how those people are enriching Canadian culture?
JOE WARMINGTON has to be one of the most honest reporters I’ve come across. I call him the “Reporter with a Heart“. Not a weak kneed bleeding one either. A guy who truly cares about people. He’s always taking up social issues others won’t touch. Glad we have him in Canada. His analysis is sadly true. This is just not a death of a girl by her family. It has shown the cowardly underbelly of this Nation. This demise portends our own ,as a culture, unless we see truth of this as invasion not Immigration by Islamists. Not drown ourselves in the River Lethe to immerse ourselves in the myth of cultural equivalence by oblivion. We should be encouraging young Ladies to be Canadian, not going along with their persecutors. On talk shows the most horrified are the none Muslim Immigrants. They can’t believe what’s happened too this Country. Particularly the ones from old dictatorships.
Yet even in death . The PC multicult engine of deconstruction erodes away at even “dignity in death“.
Where are the Women who are the guardians of Womens rights? I think we all know the answer to that.
JMO
As a U of G Grad, 1968 BA English I am extreemly upset with Mater. If I remember correctly, in the sixties they would have put a memorial plaque at the foyer of the new Library.
“Sincere question: Can someone put themselves in the minds of the Women’s Studies folks at the Univ. of Guelph and explain to us all why this would be a case they’d want to stay away from. I truly don’t get it.”
The ultimate answer, I think, is a combination of straight out fear, and more relevantly (to give them benefit of the doubt) awareness of their own fundamental impotence in this arena of conflict.
Though there probably are at least a few people in that department willing to take whatever personal risks are entailed, the simple problem is that, almost certainly, no amount of protest is going to work. Peaceful protest, like Gandhi’s in India or the Million-Man March of King, only works when used against groups whose values are similar enough to yours that their conscience can be effectively and accurately prodded; the values that convinced Britain to free India, or that drove the passage of the Civil Rights Act, were already there in the mainstream culture targeted by those protests. And every anti-war protest I’ve ever seen has always been against the Western governments involved; not a single protester ever calls for the Taliban or Hezbollah to lay down its arms, despite the fact they’re the more responsible for the violence. The protestors know that only one side in the conflict is even halfway likely to listen to them, so that’s where they direct their outcry.
But a culture which defines women as inherently less valuable than men as one of its core dogmas is simply not going to acknowledge or care about any level of protest from or about women; women’s role in the cultural discourse, as it were, has been pre-neutralized, pre-invalidated, pre-dismissed. No amount of advocacy on behalf of women will work if the very subject matter is seen as rendering that advocacy irrelevant. So all the strongest tools of feminist advocacy — argument, protest, denunciation, campaigning — are useless from the get go; you cannot argue with no common premises, you cannot denounce when no one cares what you think, and you cannot campaign because the very social mechanisms you put in place to protect cultures from assimilation are now kicking in against you to prevent you from interfering.
When you know that broadcasting your outrage won’t actually accomplish anything or have any effect on the people who most need to hear it, and will only cost you more than you’re willing to give up (accusations of Islamophobia can cost you your job these days), I have to admit I’m not surprised that a largely utilitarian and relativist environment can’t find a spokesman or spokeswoman willing to take a useless risk. Even the most courageous people prefer to think their possible sacrifices will do some good; few of us are willing to give up livelihood or life solely for the principle of the thing. (After all, I’m not out protesting honor killings either.)
What continues to worry me as I learn more and more about Islam, in both its radical and ordinary-apathetic versions, is the possibility that just maybe it cannot truly coexist with a Christian or post-Christian values society. Every believer in peace or coexistence has assumed from the beginning that ultimately, there is enough in common that the two philosophies do not need to clash, that they can simply go on side by side without mutual harm. And more and more, I find myself wondering:
What if they’re wrong?
There seems to be a gender bias when it comes to posters’ opinion of Islam. Most of you have no trouble calling for the permanent incarceration(or worse) of Omar Khadr. I would second that sentiment.
On the other hand, many of you automatically believe young female muslims are perpetual victims. This one, I don’t buy into. I have a problem believing that muslim women are naturally good, while muslim men are inherently evil.
I got scolded for expressing apathy for victims of honour killings by a certain poster. That same poster made a comment that Khadr should be summarily executed, on a different thread. I’m not sure if that poster actually considered the duality of this.
Considering that muslim men are raised by muslim women, maybe we should look at the maternal link in a more critical light. Instead of constantly talking about re-educating radicals, maybe we should consider targeting young mothers for re-education.
Of course, keeping them out of here is the safest bet.
albertaclipper wrote: “Maybe they should add her name to one of the many memorials to the ‘Montreal Massacre’ (Canada’s first Muslim terrorist attack).”
Odd you should write that, just this evening I was thinking that ‘everyone’ knows the name Marc Lepine, but very, very few know the name Gamil Gharbi.
Maybe I’m channeling SDA now.
OFFTOPIC: “There’s probably no global warming. Now stop worrying and enjoy your life.”
felis corupulentis said: “I’d contribute to that bus ad, too.”
Me, too. I’ll donate $50, everyone else contribute what they can and let Kate (or designate) organize it. How much does a bus ad cost for a month? I see them driving around with “this ad space cheap!” signs all the time.
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When I heard that people were going to collect for a headstone I thought that the family would never allow them to put one on the grave. This girl meant nothing to them. Less than nothing.
Maybe the money could go to another kind of memorial. A picture of her on a couple of billboards in key places around town with the mention of honour killings. That would raise awareness. Especially if thousands of muslims come out and protest the billboards.
The whole muslim community must be so angry at Aqsa, now that her father and brother are in jail, charged with her murder. Stupid young muslim bitch. No wonder she is dead, too dumb to know her place.
Maybe they should add her name to one of the many memorials to the ‘Montreal Massacre’ (Canada’s first Muslim terrorist attack).
It’s sometimes hard to sit back and mind your own business. Sometimes we feel everyones business is our busines, but it’s not. Lets face it some people just have to much time on their hands and want to help everyone, even when they don’t want help. The girl is dead the man who killed her is in jail. It’s the world we live in. People kill people everyday, because it’s a young girl we feel bad? I feel bad for everyone who is killed by someones hand. Most of the time it’s because people can’t control their emotions. Relax enjoy life, buy a Harley and ride.
webbhog
Yep a research arborereum would be a terrible place to remember a young person that was extinguished before they had the chance to bloom.
Any time I’ve ever been to a graveyard, I’ve never encountered much of a crowd. It’s probably the worst place to build a memorial. Why don’t you take a stab at the new Human Rights Museum? If you can’t get right inside the museum, go for a highly visible sign close to the entrance.
If that doesn’t work, just go ahead and take all those donations, and go to Disneyland.
Guelph is a bit of an odd choice for the location of a memorial – it’s not exactly nearby.
The City of Mississauga has a commemorative tree & bench program – see http://www.mississauga.ca/portal/residents/parks?paf_gear_id=9700018&itemId=200022.
That I think would be a better choice, although there’s no guarantee that other roadblocks wouldn’t be put up.
Well said Kate — “Even the people at the women’s studies office”
What a shame!
Is the university’s response really that much of a surprise? They have a lot of very nice buildings that they don’t want blown up.
The fact that the Toronto Star’s office tower is right beside the flight paths for the Toronto Island Airport has, I would think, an obvious effect upon their editorial stance.
The Toronto Sun is housed in a much more nondescript building in what I’ve always considered to be a semi-abandoned part of Toronto — so they can afford to run stories like this.
“Even when they don’t want help”,
Thankfully webhog is here to channel a murdered dead teenage girl’s wishes for us.
Which, unbelievably enough, sound exactly like those of a muslim fanatic Islamotard murderers’.
Did 16 year old Aqsa Parvez want help when her father held her down with the help of her brother to slit her throat?
Jeez,…never mind , I just have “too much time on my hands”
BTW, thanks for explaining you “feel bad for everyone who is killed by someones hand”, I was a little worried you might be a physcopath or something.
Have a nice ride.
I’ve been wondering, do you suppose there’s a 12 year old, somewhere in Canada, who’s been designated to marry Omar Khadr?
Liberal MP’s are offering their daughters as we speak.
richfisher,
did you read all I said or just what you wanted?
Oh never mind richfisher, read what you want even if the words are not there.
I feel bad for all that die at other peoples hands. Not just because it’s a young girl, old women, young man, or old man. It’s all the same to me. I don’t like it……*(*(&^
now I’ll go for a ride, thank you very much for your promission.
Any positive action that requires the assent or cooperation of the family is a no go because if they did so it could be considered an apostate action and they could be ostracized within their community.
Some producer or talented writer should be approached regarding a factual book or script outline about this murder dedicated to helping girls in similar peril. The present money and ongoing fund raising could be used to help with the expenses involved in getting the ball rolling. That way her tragic end will have a real living memorial that can reach and teach everyone. A documentary movie script, a book, who knows how far it could soar?
I for one like that idea.
Sgt Legaune- Fat chance any writer will touch this story. Film makers and writers have been murdered for less.
Give it up, folks. Take the donations, and throw a pig roast in her honour.
Create your own bus sign.
““There’s probably no god. Now stop worrying and enjoy your life.””
Webbhog: “Relax enjoy life, buy a Harley and ride.”
There is probably no Allah. Now stop worrying and enjoy your life. (*H/T)
…-
“Ottawa Next Stop on Canadian Atheist Bus Campaign
Posted by Chris on February 10th, 2009
Freethought Association disgusted with Halifax transit attack on free speech
TORONTO, ONTARIO–(Marketwire – Feb. 10, 2009) – Freethought Association of Canada announces it will move its “Atheist Bus” campaign into more cities, including Ottawa, after surpassing $40,000.
The ads, which have been approved in Toronto and Calgary, declare *“There’s probably no god. Now stop worrying and enjoy your life.””
http://atheistbus.ca/
lickmuffin – just a point about your description of the geographic area of the Toronto Sun as ‘semi-abandoned’. The condominium boom has changed this area.
My own view on this is that, despite the fact that this was an ‘honour killing’ within a cultural mindset that views women as both property and as reflections of that culture and the family, I don’t agree with outsiders erecting a memorial.
If we want to intrude on this mindset and insist that it modernize, the fundraising and efforts ought to go to magazine articles, documentaries, Town Hall debates and so on. Not about this murder in particular but about the whole mindset that results in such an action. Her murder and that of others could be used as examples. That will have a far more productive result.
‘There’s probably no global warming. Now stop worrying and enjoy your life.’
I’d contribute to such a bus ad.
I second the motion on the Human Rights Museum. I’d like to see the bureaucrats try and say no to that type of exhibit. We can have a wall with all the names of the young women in Canada whose lives have been snuffed by the dishonourable practice of “honour killings”… with an explanation of what an “honour” killing is.
~~favill~~
“Why don’t you take a stab at the new Human Rights Museum? ”
What a good idea!
Other great ideas in here as well.
The problem is, the HRM is already being accused of being too “pro-jew”.
Sincere question: Can someone put themselves in the minds of the Women’s Studies folks at the Univ. of Guelph and explain to us all why this would be a case they’d want to stay away from.
I truly don’t get it.
I agree with ET posted @ 12:22 pm and this posted –
Posted by: webbhog at February 12, 2009 11:01 AM
“It’s sometimes hard to sit back and mind your own business, etc, etc, etc, – Relax enjoy life, buy a Harley and ride.”
Both posters have valid points.
I say Aqsa Pervez will not be forgotten.
Google her name, she is already immortalized there.
….. . . . ..
And speaking of Harleys, slightly off topic, but today is Friday the thirteenth and Port Dover Ontario will be overrun with Harleys and Hondas and every other make or model, today.
Wasn’t this an episode from “Little Mosque on the Prairie”?
Oh, yeah……..
Could somebody please direct me to the Men’s Studies Center?
Please! Her Father and brother are felons! They should have NO SAY whatsoever!
How about the city of Mississauga puts a statue at the Square One? In the end, she was murdered in Mississauga. Or the Parliament Hill in Ottawa. Both places are equally relevant.
*
Islamic community rallies ’round… wait a freakin’ minute…
“Mohammad, buddy, here’s what you and your friends seem to be missing…
this is not some primitive village in the tribal hinterlands of Pakistan.”
“This is Canada. We don’t even execute people like Clifford Olsen, or Paul
Bernardo… never mind defiant teenage girls.”
*
I live next door to the U of G and frequently ride my bike through the Arboretum and the Memorial Forrest…it’s a beautiful place. My daughter is graduating from there next month and is President of her College.
Strangely enough my wife and I are having dinner with Alastair Summerlee President & Vice-Chancellor and his wife in early March. I will bring the subject up at that dinner and report via e-mail to Kate on the outcome.
Mea Culpa – Tomorrow is friday 13 – Yes in Port Dover too.
Joe.
Google ‘honour killing” and Aqsa Pervez name will be prominent.
Sadly her Canadian memorial is assured, but not in
a comforting manner.
“There’s probably no global warming. Now stop worrying and enjoy your life.”
I’d contribute to that bus ad, too.
when a muzzle-em spy in great brittan point out the authorities the an accidentle death of a young woman was an honour killing, the authorities became aware that hundreds of previous deaths of young kuzzle-em women may also have been such killings, sure make one appreciate “minding one’s own business”. H!ll, if that young muslim woman hadn’t alerted the autorities they would have saved a lot of investigative expenses. So if this whole deal sevres to awaken people out of minding their own business, it will have served a usefull purpose, bless Aqsa, and may she rest in peace!!
“In the end, she was murdered in Mississauga. Or the Parliament Hill in Ottawa.”
Aaron, is that accidental or deliberate that your post implies she may have been murdered on the Parliament Hill in Ottawa?
Either way, that might just be the most insightful post on this thread. The stage set by the Trudeau government, before she was born.
“I truly don’t get it.”
C’mon Robert, you don’t have to be a woman to “get it”. Follow the money!
IMO it’s all politics, most victim groups exist for the sake of existence. Women’s groups dare not step on the toes of other “interests” they cooperate with, the “coalition”. Some sacrifices must be made to maintain the status quo.
Result: some women are not worth standing up for.
After all, “There are many problematic things that happen in our community and we have to make choices because we can’t respond to everything,” (Hall said.)
See? There isn’t time to worry about a Muslim girl.
“Maybe they should add her name to one of the many memorials to the ‘Montreal Massacre’ (Canada’s first Muslim terrorist attack).”
What a “hell” of a good idea. Although the MM wasn’t an honor killing it was conducted by a muslim. Whats the difference.
Horny Toad
In the story, Tarek Fatah has given us a clue on how to separate the nutbars from the pack.
He says he’s a Muslim who’s tired of Islam: “There are times when I feel like beating my head against the Islamist wall, partly in despair, but mostly in anger.”
That’s the same distinction Fr. Zakaria Botros, the Arabic-speaking commentator makes when he says: ‘I love Muslims, I hate Islam.’
Islam doctrine, its bloodthirsty code of honour of ISLAM, is what killed Asqua Pervez.
That’s what needs to be exposed even more.
Just go and plant a small stone with her name on it. My bet is that the family doesnt visit and that the stone will remain for some time.
I really don’t have a good idea on how to commemorate her life,so I wrote a short letter to CairCan asking for their advice. I’m sure they will get back to me shortly. Once they do, I will post their reply here or in reader’s tips.
I like the bus ad idea:
There’s probably no Allah, now stop honour killing. (in memory of Aqsa Parvez)
or – now stop suicide bombing (in memory of suicide bombing victims)
richfisher at February 12, 2009 11:29 AM
Well said.
“Sincere question: Can someone put themselves in the minds of the Women’s Studies folks at the Univ. of Guelph and explain to us all why this would be a case they’d want to stay away from.
I truly don’t get it.”
Read the communist manifesto:
“In short, the Communists everywhere support every revolutionary movement against the existing social and political order of things.”
They see the islamists as potential allies and dupes of the moment. What does the life of a few women matter if the islamists can help with the ultimate aim of the destabilization and overthrow of the status quo? Thus they want the Islamists to behave like crazy nuts. It creates divisions and chaos which the radical left hopes to exploit. If the marxists who dominate women’s studies studies start to criticise the Islamists, they would be delegitimising their own allies and legitimising the system they hope to destroy.
Put simply, to the marxists western civilisation is the enemy. And to them, the enemy of my enemy is my friend.
The fact the family is refusing the money for the headstone is pretty much an admission that they were/are ashamed of her for refusing to be a “good submissive Muslim female”… and almost an admission that it was a honour killing.
Can any liberal explain to me how those people are enriching Canadian culture?
JOE WARMINGTON has to be one of the most honest reporters I’ve come across. I call him the “Reporter with a Heart“. Not a weak kneed bleeding one either. A guy who truly cares about people. He’s always taking up social issues others won’t touch. Glad we have him in Canada. His analysis is sadly true. This is just not a death of a girl by her family. It has shown the cowardly underbelly of this Nation. This demise portends our own ,as a culture, unless we see truth of this as invasion not Immigration by Islamists. Not drown ourselves in the River Lethe to immerse ourselves in the myth of cultural equivalence by oblivion. We should be encouraging young Ladies to be Canadian, not going along with their persecutors. On talk shows the most horrified are the none Muslim Immigrants. They can’t believe what’s happened too this Country. Particularly the ones from old dictatorships.
Yet even in death . The PC multicult engine of deconstruction erodes away at even “dignity in death“.
Where are the Women who are the guardians of Womens rights? I think we all know the answer to that.
JMO
As a U of G Grad, 1968 BA English I am extreemly upset with Mater. If I remember correctly, in the sixties they would have put a memorial plaque at the foyer of the new Library.
“Sincere question: Can someone put themselves in the minds of the Women’s Studies folks at the Univ. of Guelph and explain to us all why this would be a case they’d want to stay away from. I truly don’t get it.”
The ultimate answer, I think, is a combination of straight out fear, and more relevantly (to give them benefit of the doubt) awareness of their own fundamental impotence in this arena of conflict.
Though there probably are at least a few people in that department willing to take whatever personal risks are entailed, the simple problem is that, almost certainly, no amount of protest is going to work. Peaceful protest, like Gandhi’s in India or the Million-Man March of King, only works when used against groups whose values are similar enough to yours that their conscience can be effectively and accurately prodded; the values that convinced Britain to free India, or that drove the passage of the Civil Rights Act, were already there in the mainstream culture targeted by those protests. And every anti-war protest I’ve ever seen has always been against the Western governments involved; not a single protester ever calls for the Taliban or Hezbollah to lay down its arms, despite the fact they’re the more responsible for the violence. The protestors know that only one side in the conflict is even halfway likely to listen to them, so that’s where they direct their outcry.
But a culture which defines women as inherently less valuable than men as one of its core dogmas is simply not going to acknowledge or care about any level of protest from or about women; women’s role in the cultural discourse, as it were, has been pre-neutralized, pre-invalidated, pre-dismissed. No amount of advocacy on behalf of women will work if the very subject matter is seen as rendering that advocacy irrelevant. So all the strongest tools of feminist advocacy — argument, protest, denunciation, campaigning — are useless from the get go; you cannot argue with no common premises, you cannot denounce when no one cares what you think, and you cannot campaign because the very social mechanisms you put in place to protect cultures from assimilation are now kicking in against you to prevent you from interfering.
When you know that broadcasting your outrage won’t actually accomplish anything or have any effect on the people who most need to hear it, and will only cost you more than you’re willing to give up (accusations of Islamophobia can cost you your job these days), I have to admit I’m not surprised that a largely utilitarian and relativist environment can’t find a spokesman or spokeswoman willing to take a useless risk. Even the most courageous people prefer to think their possible sacrifices will do some good; few of us are willing to give up livelihood or life solely for the principle of the thing. (After all, I’m not out protesting honor killings either.)
What continues to worry me as I learn more and more about Islam, in both its radical and ordinary-apathetic versions, is the possibility that just maybe it cannot truly coexist with a Christian or post-Christian values society. Every believer in peace or coexistence has assumed from the beginning that ultimately, there is enough in common that the two philosophies do not need to clash, that they can simply go on side by side without mutual harm. And more and more, I find myself wondering:
What if they’re wrong?
There seems to be a gender bias when it comes to posters’ opinion of Islam. Most of you have no trouble calling for the permanent incarceration(or worse) of Omar Khadr. I would second that sentiment.
On the other hand, many of you automatically believe young female muslims are perpetual victims. This one, I don’t buy into. I have a problem believing that muslim women are naturally good, while muslim men are inherently evil.
I got scolded for expressing apathy for victims of honour killings by a certain poster. That same poster made a comment that Khadr should be summarily executed, on a different thread. I’m not sure if that poster actually considered the duality of this.
Considering that muslim men are raised by muslim women, maybe we should look at the maternal link in a more critical light. Instead of constantly talking about re-educating radicals, maybe we should consider targeting young mothers for re-education.
Of course, keeping them out of here is the safest bet.
albertaclipper wrote:
“Maybe they should add her name to one of the many memorials to the ‘Montreal Massacre’ (Canada’s first Muslim terrorist attack).”
Odd you should write that, just this evening I was thinking that ‘everyone’ knows the name Marc Lepine, but very, very few know the name Gamil Gharbi.
Maybe I’m channeling SDA now.
OFFTOPIC:
“There’s probably no global warming. Now stop worrying and enjoy your life.”
felis corupulentis said: “I’d contribute to that bus ad, too.”
Me, too. I’ll donate $50, everyone else contribute what they can and let Kate (or designate) organize it. How much does a bus ad cost for a month? I see them driving around with “this ad space cheap!” signs all the time.