43 Replies to “The Anti-Palin”

  2. No coal in America? Why would he say that? It implies he has some alternative, which everyone knows is false.
    How long do you suppose people will suffer with such an abundant power source right under their feet?

  3. Bizzare! The expression “Out of the mouth of babes…” intially came to mind as I watched this …but of course that is referring to children saying something profound. Biden’s statement to the effect that China’s coal is ruining the young ladies lungs has to be akin to…? I am at a loss for a suitable comparisson. Can someone fill in the blank?

  5. Wait – listen to what Biden says in the clip.
    Isn’t China exempt from Kyoto?
    Which “mechanism” is going to be used to clean up current and upcoming dirty Chinese coal plants, a “new Kyoto” or something?
    Perhaps arriving just-in-time to salvage the wreck that Global Warming has become?
    As a recent fan of stage magic, I’m starting to appreciate thumb tips and Svengali decks.

  6. Do you find it a little creepy how he put is hands on her shoulders while he talked? Whatever happened to a little personal space.

  7. Not really all that complicated now is it?? Besides–What’s to say the film hasn’t been spliced or edited!! Opps, almost forgot, coal is a clean burning fuel with zero emmissions!

  9. Well I am sure glad that they will not mine and refine coal as an energy source. Maybe there is hope for AB and Sask to sell them more clean burning gas for these new fang dangle energy generation systems. All we need up here are more car salesman, I am sure that we can sell Joe Biden the energy dream.

  11. Realistik
    Your sarcasm is not very good but here are some facts:
    Coal Gasification
    I met the manager of the Polk plant at a conference a few years ago. He said when everything was working properly the plant was getting 52% thermal efficiency.
    From the article “The plant’s gas cleaning technology removes more than 98 percent of the sulfur in coal, converting it to a commercial product. Nitrogen oxide emissions are reduced by more than 90 percent.”
    Compare that to Ontario Power Lambton generation station in which there is no NOx control, only two of the four units have SCR for sulfur and on a very cold day the thermal efficiency may reach 33%.
    I can see the future, can you?

  14. My personal fav is still the bit about FDR going on TV in 1929 to explain the stock market crash.

  15. From the link I just posted, which goes to Rush Limbaugh’s website, the critical passages:
    RUSH: All right, now, how many of you caught that? There are two gaffes. There were two gaffes. Were you listening? Do you know what the gaffes are, Snerdley? There was no TV in 1929! Nobody was on TV in 1929, is the first gaffe. The second gaffe is that FDR wasn’t president in 1929. Herbert Hoover was! Biden, the third gaffe is blowing a chance to blame Republicans for the Depression back in ’29 for Herbert Hoover and saying, “Bush and McCain are the new Hoovers.” And then September 17th, this is five days ago, six days ago now in Ohio during a rope line visit, Senator Biden shaking hands and environmental activist Carolyn Auwaerter says, “Wind and solar are flourishing here in Ohio, so why are you supporting clean coal?”
    BIDEN: We’re not supporting clean coal! Guess what? China’s building two every week, two dirty coal plants. And it’s polluting the United States! It’s causing people to die! (rimshot) The first guy to introduce a global warming bill was me, 22 years ago. The first guy to support solar energy is me, 26 years ago. (rimshot) Came out of Delaware. But guess what? China’s going to burn 300 years of bad coal, once we figure out how to clean their coal up (rimshot) because it’s going to ruin your lungs and there’s nothing we can do about it. No coal plants here in America, build ’em, if they’re going to build them over there, make ’em clean, because they’re killing you! (rimshot)
    RUSH: Okay, so an environmentalist comes up, “Why are you doing coal?” “We’re not doing coal! Screw you! The ChiComs are doing coal. They’re building two or three of these coal plants a week. They’re killing people. They’re polluting America! No more coal plants in the United States.” Really? Hey, Joe, do you realize where a lot of coal miners in this country work. Do you realize what state they’re in? It’s West Virginia. It’s called a state that you need? By the way, Obama has an ad that says he is for clean coal. Here it is.
    OBAMA: I’m Barack Obama, and I approved this message.
    MAN: (sappy music) Barack originates from Chicago, but he came to southern Illinois and seen the devastation and the loss of the jobs in this coal industry. War-shington, DC, is not listening to us. Barack understands us.
    ANNOUNCER: In Illinois and the US Senate, Barack Obama helped lead the fight for clean coal, to protect our environment, and save good-paying American jobs.
    RUSH: There’s a graphic in this ad that says, “The Obama record: $200 million for clean coal.” That ad has just been thrown under the bus by Joe Biden. Listen to sound bite number seven again. I think it’s number seven. I put it away. Yep, you just heard the Obama ad on the record, $200 million for clean coal, clean energy, get rid of oil. We’re going to go coal all the way, baby. And here’s Biden, September 17th, with an environmentalist wacko shouting at him, why are you supporting clean coal?
    BIDEN: We’re not supporting clean coal! Guess what? China’s building two every week, two dirty coal plants. And it’s polluting the United States! It’s causing people to die! The first guy to introduce a global warming bill was me, 22 years ago. The first guy to support solar energy is me, 26 years ago. Came out of Delaware. But guess what? China’s going to burn 300 years of bad coal, once we figure out how to clean their coal up because it’s going to ruin your lungs and there’s nothing we can do about it. No coal plants here in America, build ’em, if they’re going to build them over there, make ’em clean, because they’re killing you!
    RUSH: Now, put yourself in the Obama campaign headquarters. You’re David Axelrod in there and you’re writing Obama’s next speech and you’re writing the next answers to his next questions. And the phone rings, and someone says, “You know, Biden just said that you guys ran a really cruel ad on McCain; if he’d have had anything to do with it, he wouldn’t have run it.” “He said what?” “Yeah, that’s what he said.” Then the phone rings again: “Biden’s out there saying no more clean coal plants in the United States when Obama has pledged $200 million to build more clean coal plants.” (laughing)
    Obama in Need of a Bailout as Joe Biden Gaffes Keep Piling Up

  16. Of course, you’ll all recall how the writ of US environmental law extends to the People’s Republic of China…

  17. Mr. Biden is that special type of stupid you only see in politicians. The guy can’t remember what he’s supposed to say about coal, so he says the first damn thing that drops off the top of his head, with the greatest of sincerity. What makes this extra especially stupid is his sincere belief that no one will notice he’s lying.
    I watched him on CSPAN waaaay back in the 1990’s when they were having hearings on Clinton’s “assault weapon” ban. Cocky, arrogant, and DUMBER than a bag of hammers. A genuine, grade A A-hole.
    Nice pick, Obama.

  18. So, what is Sen. Plagiarism going to do about all the coal plants we currently have in the US? Replace them with nuclear plants? Is that what he meant? 😉

  19. Isn’t Ohio a coal-producing state? How many votes did Biden just lose?
    Kinda reminds of our own politico fruit-loop Elizabeth May. On a CFRA radio show in Ottawa last spring, she said she would close all coal-fired electricity generating plants and shut down the nukes as well. Ms. May would roll back the industrial revolution. There wouldn’t even be trains for her to ride.

  20. Jeeze, Biden must have been talking to Lizzy May, she’s going to shut down all our coal plants too.Of course they have no idea what will replace them, trees are sacred and nuclear is out, so freezing in the dark is the only option.
    The biggest inanity of Kyoto, China keeps on building using coal while we send them money to keep on polluting. It’s OK for them to pollute as long as we pay them billions for that pollution.
    Somehow, in the Leftist rationale, buying their filthy air makes it purer. No mention of the fact they use the money to build more coal fired plants and POLLUTE MORE.
    Obama should pray a long bout of laryngitis hits Biden, it may already be too late.

  21. Gawd this guy just pegs out my Creep-O-Meter. I can only envision blood spurting out of his nose after he gets a massive head butt for criminal close-talking.

  23. COAL KILLS!
    Bad, evil, dirty Chi-com coal…..
    ….being burned in Canadian Asia power corp plants
    “”Maurice Strong has positioned himself in China, Chapter Number Two.
    Back in 1993 when he was chairman of Ontario Hydro, most folk remember him for trying to buy a Costa Rican rain forest with taxpayers’ money.
    But the potential of electric power in China was on his mind even back then.
    “This is one of the most rapidly expanding markets in the world,” Strong told reporters in a conference telephone call from Beijing without elaborating. “China needs a lot of electric power.”
    At the time, Ontario Hydro, Hydro-Quebec and Power Corp. had formed a joint venture with $100 million to invest in power plants in China and elsewhere in Asia.
    Having already made a career as an advocate of sustainable economic development, Strong did not seem at all deterred by the prospect of Ontario Hydro helping to build polluting, coal-fired power plants.
    But that was then, this is now.””
    http://www.canadafreepress.com/2003/main012703.htm

  24. Not so, PiperPaul. What oxygen burning does is eliminate NOx emissions. You still get SOx, particulates, fly ash and of course, carbon dioxide. Clean coal in this industry means NO atmospheric emissions, not just NOx reduction.

  25. Saw an interview today with a dude who wrote a book on the subject and Biden is a verbal gaffer of olympic proportions. It is funny (not haha) that the msm seem to gloss over this while snooping Gov Palin so close as to see if her farts stink.
    Canada seriously needs a FoxNews.

  26. The technology to eliminate SOx/NOx, particulate and flyash has been used for years. CO2 abatement technology is the one that is still developing but various clean coal technologies are able to capture and transport CO2.
    For interest, there is a demonstration clean coal plant in North Dakota (gasification). It is the one that Encana is partnered with for enhanced oil recovery using CO2. The N and S are also recovered and sold as fertilizer and ammonia. Other chemicals are also produced from by-products.For example, a synthetic natural gas. The downside is that the technology is quite expensive compared to tradition plants.
    http://www.dakotagas.com/Companyinfo/index.html
    Anyone that thinks that coal is not going to continue to be used is delusional. Only the way it is processed and used will change. The simple fact is that NA is rich in coal and coal is a versatile material. It is used to produce not only an essential product (electricity) but valuable by-products as mentioned above and more importantly – good jobs.
    I’d bet that the power of environmentalists will fade long before the power of coal.

  28. Biden has a long and consistent history …. of being completely wrong and completely full of crap.
    So what’s the surprise??
    I’d venture that any quote or video you care to dig up on him would offer just as much sense, honesty and factuality as this little snippet.

  29. lynnh, of course coal is going to be used, and lots of it. But emission-free is a delusion. The example of Dakota is helpful, but most coal use does not have convenient oil and gas reserves for sequestration. Without a useful secondary industrial activity, the cost of carbon sequestration is high, about $75/tonne in the case of Norway’s prototype facility now operating for some years.
    And yes, flyash is always a problem for any utility. The ash concentrates the heavy metal impurities in the coal, and it still has to be disposed of. Like NOx and SOx, this problem too can be and is managed. But there is a cost, and those costs are much less than the cost will be to sequester carbon dioxide.

  30. What a moronic knucklehead. I’m trying to figure out how Chinese power plants are going to burn her lungs here in the US. DUH. And, the suggestion that WE need to clean up China’s pollution is galling.
    Solar and wind are never going to be more than marginal supplements at best. With 200 years of cheap accessible coal which can be cleaned and cleaned even better if we pursued the technology we could power the grid and free up natural gas for better use such as a public transportation fuel. Walmart is considering changing their thousands of trucks into NG powered.
    Picking Biden as the attack dog was stupid of Obama. He’s a blowhard turnoff. Sadly, too many here aren’t paying attention.

  31. I agree cgh, emissions free is a delusion that comes from the green agenda. That is the problem – no industrial process is totally emissions free. For example, the environmentalists are misleading the public when they talk about renewable power but neglect to mention the need for baseload backup. Also when they do not account for the amount of material and land used per MW as compared to nuclear and coal. Unfortunately the public does not understand this because the MSM does not bother to try to understand.
    I personally believe that newer coal plants will be of the clean coal variety (and nuclear power), mostly because of public and political pressure. The only question is whether it is before or after wasting money on massive wind power projects.
    Ash is a problem (not light flyash which is sold for use in road building) in traditional coal plants because it must be piled up and no use has yet been found for it. But when viewing it from a total area used, it is not a big concern. Although clean coal produces much less ash, if I remember correctly.
    Bottom line is that Biden, the Greenies and the MSM can remain ignorant and hope for coal to disappear but in the end pipe dreams will have give way to reality. Reliable electricity and jobs are the foundation of a smooth functioning economy.

  32. “So, what is Sen. Plagiarism going to do about all the coal plants we currently have in the US? Replace them with nuclear plants? Is that what he meant? 😉 ”
    That is the whole point, they never know what they mean.

  33. Quite right, lynnh. Ash is less of a problem for modern coal plants because of changes in technology. Electrostatic precipitators were one of the first pollution control technologies ever adopted, and the technology has advanced greatly since the 1950s. What is overlooked by the Greens and indeed many others are the synergies that exist between or among different systems. For example, you solve a lot of problems with higher combustion temperatures, but the consequence is a lot more NOx. However, imagine a situation where you’ve got a hydrogen electrolysis plant powered by say nuclear. The plant collects the hydrogen but is forced to dump the oxygen into the atmosphere, posing a massive fire hazard. Instead, it pumps the oxygen across the street, so to speak, to a steel mill or coal-fired station, which now burns pure oxygen and not air. No NOx, and no NOx emission controls either, just a huge improvement in thermal efficiency. And with those temperatures, you achieve a level of product quality not easily available with air-burning furnaces.
    Now as to the Greens and their idiotic notions. Take a look at the linked paper, Table 1 on construction material quantities in particular. The material inputs for their panaceas are colossal, and would truly have huge environmental impacts when you think about producing the required quantities of cement, steel and glass.
    http://www.computare.org/Support%20documents/Publications/Life%20Cycle.htm

  34. Well, I looked at the tables and am not surprised by the numbers. I also see the value and importance of nuclear power, a far underused energy source IMO. Integrated systems between energy producers and industrial plants are another overdue idea. Kind of a “build it and they will come” thing. Abundant, reliable and affordable electricity will attract many business ventures.
    Coal and clean coal are still a cost competitive competitor. Particularity as technology improves and costs come down. Again because of its abundance and versatility. I suspect that CO2 will be less of a concern in the future.
    But I am a AGW denier and do not see CO2 as the evil pollutant that it is currently made out to be. Eventually this environmental fad will pass as oceans do not rise, temperatures do not cook the planet and the public realizes that the Armageddon talk is actually just overblown hype.

  35. Of course CO2 isn’t a pollutant, and its listing as a CEPA toxic was an abomination. The importance of nuclear power is that it supplies base load power where fossil fuels are too expensive or unavailable. Your comment on abundant and reliable is all too appropriate. There was a time when Canadians viewed electricity as an industrial and commercial advantage, and hence a tool of industrial development (read, enhanced productivity). The current government in Saskatchewan seems to understand this. Most do not, having swallowed too much Amory Lovins energy philosophy for the past 30 years.

  36. Besides trying to bamboozle her with nonesense , It seemed he would have liked to jump her bones as well.

  37. 58 billion tons of coal in penn. do these fools think that it will not be used when people are cold and hungry. it will be,just after they are hanged and put out of our misery.

  38. Just so happens the cleanest coal is in Montana & Southern Alberta. This was our first boom out here after the cattle markets. Edmonton is honeycombed with mines.
    Shaft the West again.

  39. Surf Limbaugh’s site to get a real appreciation for the awesome level of Stupid that affects Biden. The only thing more incredible than the number of biden gaffes (“Stand up, Chuck, & let ’em see ya! Oh my G0d…”, is my personal fav) is the way the drive-by media has covered for him. Sheez – they hanged Quayle for mis-spelling “potato”; they should have drawn & quartered biden by now if he was a repub. Nahh, no media bias here.
    Does anybody else find they could care less about the canuck election, but find themselves riveted to what’s going on in the US? Come election day, I’ll vote for harper, but I’m really much more interested in what happens in the States.
    mhb23re
    at gmail d0t calm

  40. “jump her bones as well”
    “Stand up, Senator Viagra, & let ’em see yar woody! Oh my God…that thing looks coal fired to me!”

  41. Powercorp-CITIC are building and operating coal-fired power plants in China.
    Canada Steamship Lines(wholly owned by the Martin family) are building two coal-carrying conveyor ships in Chinese shipyards,to transport brown coal around the Sea of China to inland power plants.
    Certain Liberal ex-prime minister is rumoured to have heavily invested in Chinese brown coal mines, the one’s that regularly collapse and bury Chinese coal miners.
    Liberal Dion has admitted that Canada will not reach our 2012 Kyoto GHG reduction targets and he even calls them our “obligations” in his Green Shift.
    Currently Canada is 30% in excess of our Kyoto GHG reduction targets that must be achieved by 2012. This amounts to some 175Mt of GHGs .. and at a low $40/tonne that would require $7 BILLION of Kyoto Carbon Credits to mitigate. Some think that by 2012, Kyoto Carbon Credits will cost upwards of $100/tonne.
    Dion was unable to convince then PM Martin to make Kyoto a ‘preeooritee’ after he produced his first ‘Green Plan’ which allocated $5 Billion for Kyoto Carbon Credits.
    Now Dion intends to collect $40 BILLION under his Green Shift Carbon Tax by 2012, which also happens to coincide with the First Phase of the Kyoto Treaty.
    At the Liberal Montreal leadership convention, Chinese government officials were invited to attend as ‘guests’ of the Liberal party.
    PM Harper declared “no international carbon credits for Canada” and then the relations between China and the Conservative government went into a chill if not outright animosity.
    You connect the dots ….

  42. qwerty1, I worked on the Wabash River plant mentioned in the article you linked, design for one of the cold boxes that produce the oxygen.

  43. WSJ: Biden’s Coal Slaw
    The classic definition of a gaffe is when a politician accidentally tells the truth, and specialists like Joe Biden can work wonders with the form. On Tuesday Barack Obama’s running mate blew an easy question about coal, revealing volumes about liberal energy politics…

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