Nov.6 Update – At least some of the students involved were at the campaign office of Terry Alm today to offer their apologies. They will be helping the SaskParty take down signs after the election.
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Description: A political party for the youth of Saskatchewan upset that they can’t run for office or vote in the upcoming provincial election …and for any kids that just enjoy kicking politcal party signs. Also we find it unfair that the Sask Party has 3 times the funding of any other party, so they get all the big signs. We seek to even this out. Come out, show your support, invite your friends, and kick a few signs |
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Andrew Rowan (Aden Bowman Collegiate) Assistant Captain
Taylor Andreas (Aden Bowman Collegiate) Assistant Captain
Brennan Rutherford (Walter Murray Collegiate) Co-Captain of Destruction
Mike Pinder (Aden Bowman Collegiate) Driver
David Fodey (Aden Bowman Collegiate) Co-Captain of Destruction
Will Hamilton (Aden Bowman Collegiate) (creator)
You’ll need a facebook account to access the page. Currently, the group has 59 “members” – most appear to be high school students at Aden Bowman and Walter Murray Collegiate.
If you have kids at these Saskatoon schools, you may recognize some names.
Update – “Hey dude, I heard your name on the radio“
The owner of the property in the photo above just called John Gormley Live (linked above). He’s a little ticked off. In the comments – “It’s as if they reported themselves to Crimestoppers.”
In a case of the apple not falling far from…. the apple – ” Do a search on Facebook for [U of Sask Sheaf Editor-In-Chief] Chuck Hamilton. View his friends, and you will see Will Hamilton is listed as his brother. I bet their parents are proud.” (Or it was until Will’s was pulled.)
More at No-Libs.
Update 2 – Now the Canadian Press has picked up the story.
Update 3 – There are NDP family ties to the Fodey kid as well.
(h/t Ryan, in the comments)
This story is up at the G&M, and it is mentioned that the fine for destroying an election sign is 5,000.00 and 2 yrs in jail. Wonder if those idiots knew that. Charge them and fine them, suspend sentences until they pull another stunt, get a DUI, speeding ticket or whatever. If one of them do something to break probation, all will have their probation cancelled. If charged with something, and found guilty, it will bar them from the US, and put them all on the no fly list.
Their 15 minutes of fame could turn into a lifetime of shame.
Mary T,
Of course nobody will know because they are minors and arent supposed to have their names mentioned…..
But yes that is the path that would happen.
I am sure their parents are horrified at the stupidity of publicizing their actions, whether they are equally bothered by the actions that are documented is another matter.
What a bunch of maroon’s
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like that guy who stole the laptop that broadcast naked pictures of
his dumbass self to the world.
how high do you have to be to commit crimes and simultaneously
dime yourself out to the world?
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Proving once again…SDA gets results.
for your viewing pleasure.
http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=6964742287
Yesterday it was revealed that a person involved with Fred Thompsons campaign had a criminal record. Drug charges etc. Sounded like it might be a recent event. But, it was something that was done over 20 years ago, and he has stepped down today. These idiots on Facebook might think this is just a passing prank. Wait for any of them try and run for office at any level, or get a high profile job, they are finished. Actions have consequences. They are still in high school. Would you want them to be your daughters grad date.
Alby lives in Saskatoon and has kids??
Calvert wants citizens to look at voting age, fixed election dates
Hmmmm.
Perry, that is an excellent idea.
how come so much sadistic satisfaction in some comments?
Forgot when young we were?
i know 5 of the leaders and at least four of them have had there parents get a divorce
I also know that the four kids I know well have at least a 80 % and that at least one of them is on the high honour roll
These kids think its right because they have seen on tv the hate ads by both parties and think the way that they make a point is by making the other party look bad
Why would you mention that Wall should do this or that?This is a FEDERAL offence and as minors cant be charged,the parents or guardians should be.
Because Goerge,when we were young and got in sheeet,our parents straightened us out very quickly.The cops had no problem picking us up and bringing us home,because they knew that nothing they could do would compare to Mom and Dad. Know,well,we hide their names,and let them go home to play videos in the basement.And Mom and Dad can’t discipline the little thugs because then they will scream parental abuse. BAH. Take your feel good mommy state and put it were it belongs,in the garbage.
“george asks, “how come so much sadistic satisfaction in some comments?”
Because it’s SDA, silly. We tell other people that it’s a place to “debate the issues,” but really, we just like slagging off whomever we don’t like. Also, speaking personally, I find that airing my opinions among others whom I know will agree with me all the time helps to validate my own self-worth.
Posted by: Jennifer at November 5, 2007 6:03 PM ”
Says it all.
@Jennifer:
What you descibe as “I find that airing my opinions among others whom I know will agree with me all the time helps to validate my own self-worth” is a slightly exaggerated description of normal socializing. Just to let ya know.
surely there isn’t anyone here, who really thinks anything will happen to these young adults! they are, the way they are, because thats the way they have been parented, so why would anyone here, think something might happen to them when they get home! ( mom or dad are probably their “best friends”) If they were ever found guilty in a court, the best ruling by a judge might be, “that if you like to take down signs, maybe you 6 or 8 or 12 kids should be responsible to take down every sign in the entire city!”
Changing your name and replying to your own post is just showing how stupid you are.
Bad advertising for the schools. I certainly wouldn’t have been so dumb as to leave a trail of evidence!
Looks like the little hooligans are lashing out…
Boy, the Junior Stalinists sure get pissy when someone ruins their federal offense fun.
This is boring.
What have lawn signs ever accomplished in all of history? Anyone who’s vote is influenced in anyway by a lawn sign, is an idiot that isn’t about to actually vote. I mean really…
Er…thanks, guys. (If this keeps up, I’ll be blushing my way into a pseudonym.)
You’re right KGMIM, advertising has never worked, ever. Quite a scam all those ad companies are running.
what the kids did was obviously wrong, but i bet they didnt know it was anything more than vandilism. probably had no clue it was a federal offence. think about it. is spray painting innapropriate things on an elementary school so much better than kicking down one of hundres of cardboard signs? one is mere vandilism and one is a federal offence?
This may sound a bit extreme but, this kind of thing does bring to mind the history of brown shirts,swastika’s and brainwashed youth…………it just seems so familiar.
leo:
It’s spelled vandalism, but this is much more.
You’re not suggesting it’s a random act of violence are you?
Or are you just saying they did not understand the consequences of their actions?
In the secular progressive’s world, anything is excusable, including dumping a load of manure on a former field goal kicker’s lawn.
Just another form of artistic impression, don’t ya know?
I love how this is rationalized in these budding lefties’ minds. It’s cuz the mean old Sask Party has more money for Ads.
“It’s not fair!”
Lawn signs are always a point in elections. Seems like they are meant to be an indicator of how much support a candidate has, window dressing. Unfortunately they’re not really an accurate indicator of support by any means. I can remember in elections past as an Alliance campaign worker we were always fighting the “sign war” and there were the childish idiots whom I presume were Liberals stealing our signs. Did it influence the election? Perhaps it had a small effect but unlikely. Still, as my mom always told me; its the thought that counts!
Here’s hoping the creator of this group, Will Hamilton, is not of any relation to our Chief Electoral Officer of Saskatoon, David Hamilton. That would be truly scary.
With all due respect I would like to try my hand at a synthesis of this thread.
Stupid kids thrash election signs and brag about it on internet. Kate spots the play and points bad behavior out. Folks express disgust and begin to yen for “back in the day”. Others check in and proclaim “kids will be kids.”
Updates roll in and it appears there might be a connection between the little darlings and the editor in cheef of the Sheaf.
A thinking person wonders. Pissing match ensues.
Conservatives are mean to their kids…liberals kind.
Reality.
One of my sons did $6000.00 vandalism damage along with two of his friends when he was 13. His mom and I are divorced, both his buddies live in “intact families’.
When the shit hit the fan the other parents stepped up and dropped four grand to “divert” their chillin from the court system.
The ex and I discussed things and took the other road. No money. Face the consequences of YO court and the economic consequences.
Community service and the 2K. He had to ride two busses after school to get to the jobsite I was working on for two hours of picking garbage. Every day until he was clear.
The day he paid his shit off I gave him a K. Sticks and carrots…but no carrots until you man up.
To me that is what conservative is about…help with correction and they will become self correcting.
Syncro
… and sometimes, the hard medicine is the good stuff.
It sure is easy to throw money at a problem and wish it all away.
thanks syncro.
Got to wonder how the other two made out.
No, these two are not related to David Hamilton. Same last name, but different relation.
Looks like Sarah Connor, NDP candidate, isn’t immune from complete stupidity.
http://i24.tinypic.com/280pldl.jpg
Sarah Connor — member of the “Elaborate schemes about burning down Walmart (sic) is the hottest pillow talk.” group.
Synchro l- Great story and I admire the way you handled it. There is so little accountability for bad behaviour. This is mainly due to two things: 1. Bad (or no) parenting, and 2. Youth Criminal Justice system. But then why should the YCJ system be any different than our “catch and release” program for adult offenders. I sure hope the Harper government’s Crime bill gets passed and soon.
john and george, who think this is a tempest in a teapot, are, IMO, either woefully ignorant or wilfully obtuse about today’s youth, Justthinkin and a different Bob have got it about right. (Syncrodox too: I salute you!)
Since the Charter, kids’ “rights” have become sacrosanct. Just about everyone—parents and schools—are afraid to discipline them. We now have a crop of entitled “toddlers” who think they can do whatever they like—and get away with it. In most cases, they would be right. As Yukon Gold observes, with our future in the hands of so many irresponsible louts, we’re in big trouble.
Note that Rudy Guiliani turned New York around by using the “Broken Window” approach: hit the kids hard on their first offence. For most, it’ll be their last. Overlook the first offence and the few after and they escalate.
I see this happening all the time in the public school system. The Behaviour Codes are only for show: they say what behaviours are supposed to occur. When the codes are broken, as they are countless times every day, administration caves. Consequences? Too”punitive”: the kids and their parents might get upset. Overwhelmed by the sheer volume of anti-social behaviours in their schools, administration soon turns a blind eye. “Hear no evil, see no evil” is probably board policy now for administrators, they so rarely do anything constructive to deal with the very serious misdemeanours of the growing number of miscreants in our midst.
The arrogant and destructive behaviour of these young men is no small thing: it shows the utmost disrespect for the rights of others. If that’s the mindset that motivates them, stay tuned for more self-referential, selfish, anti-social behaviour. I don’t think they’re the kind of people one would want for an employee, a son-in-law, or father of one’s grandchildren. Yes, PMSH’s Crime Bills, which, I believe, will contain some “Broken Window” provisions, can’t come too soon.
BTW, george and john, if you discovered a baby python or scorpion in your basement, would you say, “Don’t worry, it’s just little”? Smarten up, guys.
I know you kids are reading this. I hope you enjoyed your moment of fame and feel real proud of your so-called couragous acts. You all look like idiots.
I dare you to find some real courage and every last one of you individually appologize to the homeowners and candidates whose property you vandalized. Offer your help as restitution. Too chicken? I thought so.
BATB
I am a divorced conservative but no less real then when I was married. FYI we have been divorced for about ten years so I think the boy has had time to adjust and frankly I don’t buy the root cause chorus BS. His, mine, hell all of our circumstances are what they are. The cards are dealt and what matters is how we play them.
The fact is I grew up in an intact home and got into more than my share of shit. The real problem with the boy is he’s more like me than me. Strong willed and a little rough around the edges. Which were both contributing factors in my divorce.
That said, My job as his dad is to show him that there are consequences for his behavior both positive and negative. Strong personality characteristics can be the source of much strength and at the same time our greatest weakness.
In short…..As an individual I need to learn how to operate my own badass self…so does the boy.
Syncro
Here’s an idea for some constructive discipline. Replacing and putting up more signs is a little late at this point in the campaign, but since they wanted to take down signs . . .
After the election, have them collect, neatly stack and return signs to the candidates’ campaign offices (under parental supervision of course).
And today’s award for ” Going Off On A Tangent And Getting Lost” goes to:
Knight of Good Mr. Iron Man, for his thoughts on lawn signs are boring anyhow. Vandalism is still vandalism, whether or not the signs are effective is irrelevant. Your picket fence in your yard doesn’t work because I can jump over it so therefore I can destroy it because it is boring…
RJW, well said! Your consequences are exactly the kind that are needed: first, acknowledge the wrongdoing: forget the excuses; second, apologize for it; third, do something constructive, that costs some humility, time, and effort, in order to provide restitution to the victim(s).
I like your challenge to these young men: I hope they have the cojones to take you up on it.
Unfortunately, even if they want to do the right thing, there will probably be a phalanx of ill-adjusted “adults” who will defend these boys’ “right” to be coddled and excused. I see it all the time. And, as all kinds of posters have said, no wonder these kids behave the way they do.
That said, enough is enough: it’s time they face the music. (In the short run, this actually shows respect for them by holding them to a high standard of behaviour; in the long run, accountability will benefit them and the rest of us. Win/win.)
Guess these “kids” are not afraid of consequences. There is no fear of their parents or the law.
In my day, everything I did, I knew that I would have to face my DAD!
Maybe their daycare will post a bulletin on the wall about respect.
Just out of curiosity, are the Hamilton brothers any relation to Doreen Hamilton, MLA from Regina?
From my previous post:
I know you kids are reading this. I hope you enjoyed your moment of fame and feel real proud of your so-called couragous acts. You all look like idiots.
I dare you to find some real courage and every last one of you individually appologize to the homeowners and candidates whose property you vandalized. Offer your help as restitution. Too chicken? I thought so.
I understand some appologies were made and restitution in the form of cleaning up signs will be done after the election.
Bravo! There is hope for the younger generation.
Andrew, word on coffee row is that the Hamilton brothers parents are a lawyer for the CRC and the other an eye doctor. Apparently whichever household the two boys come from it is a politically charged enviornment! Kudos to their youngest son Will for having the courage to come forward and apologize for his actions this morning. Apparently he is going to help Terry Alms take down signs after the election is over. No word on the other kids as of yet.
Brian, what’s the CRC?
I think it is great that all the boys appologised this morning and agreed to help take down signs. Who wasnt a little “shitbag” at one time, and to be completely honest they wanted to get caught to make a stand on their position. otherwise what good would a broken sign on a front lawn be… yah just a broken sign, BUT THESE BOYS DID IT IN STYLE!!! and two cents for John Gormley. Hey you should quit rippin on those kids parents! Im pretty sure they are good people … or did your mamma raise you to be an asshole to?
downwithsigns writes, “Im [sic] pretty sure they are good people … or did your mamma [sic] raise you [sic] to be an asshole to [sic]?
Spell/Grammar Check’s easy to use, which would work for three of the four errors. Who’s “you”?
On second reading, it appears as though downwithsigns meant “you” to refer to John Gormley. Though by harping on his/her spelling and grammar, I kind of look like an asshole too.
The creator of the group and his fellow criminals masterminds are from affluent homes on the city’s east side. This is not a case of poverty run amok. Unfortunately, I can say from knowing the family of Will Hamilton that the concept of entitlement, and spoiled brat syndrome, is a family tradition and I’m sure that nothing will be done at home to remedy this.
Oh and for interest sake – the father is a fairly well respected doctor and the mother a lawyer (how’s that for irony).
I wonder why Hamilton and his crew failed to knock down the sign that adorns his own mother’s front yard??