This "editor in chief" may one day be the editor of a large newspaper. Bias in the news industry....nah, can't be.

And this is what passes, in the journalism field, for reasoned debate?

What a joke.

Interesting outlook. I am also from Saskatchewan and I also love the province. Funny thing about that, love does not pay the bills. Today, I live in the Niagara region. That is where my education took me.

What I remember most about the aftermath of that "cartoon" was all the raging Christians rioting in the streets killing and looting and oh wait it never happened.

I have never been to Saskatchewan. You people must be made of very stern stuff indeed. So many years under NDP rule. Hell here in Ontario we flirted with it once and it nearly ruined us.

"When the Sask Party spouts off statistics about the 35,000 people who left Saskatchewan for greener pastures, they fail to mention how many people have actually come to this province."

Hmm, seems that he fails to mention it as well.

What do you expect when mommy and daddy pay your bills for you to spend your entire evening and night hours in their basement watching anime videos and playing internet games? During the day you can bravely protest the capitalist war machine because we all know that they will otherwise round you up for shipment to re-education camps in Alberta.

The NDP of Saskatchewan are looking at having a very long walk in the wilderness.

I wonder how many of them will end up facing criminal charges?

This elequent young man is a perfect example of the NDP underfunding our post secondary institutions over the last 16 years. If Mr. Hamilton is the standard for journalism at a university then we have a bigger problem than we think. In school when I thought I knew it all I once had to write on the black board "It is better to remain silent and appear ignorant than to open your mouth and remove all doubt." Same applies with the quill.

I was always told that it is disrespectful towards your readers to use vulgar language like this. That notwithstanding, he apparently forgets that the NDP plan is ALSO designed to bribe young people to stay, and falls short.

Not following the election, but is it true that the Sask party is giving people $20,000 over 7 years?

I wish someone would introduce journalists to google:

http://www12.statcan.ca/english/census06/analysis/popdwell/tables/table1.htm

As you can see, Saskatchewan peaked in 1986 with over 1 Million people and has slowly shrank to 968,000 people in 2006 ... This means in a 20 year period the growth of the provinces has been:

Alta: 39%
BC: 42%
Man: 7.9%
NB: 15.5%
NL: -11%
NS: 4.5%
Ont: 33%
PEI: 7%
Sask: -4%
Qubec: 15%

Over a 20 year timeframe Saskatchewan has the distinction of being 1 of 2 provinces with a shrinking population.

I wonder what he thinks about the UofS President denouncing the NDP plan. The UofS needs to be able to set it's own fees, not be dictated by gov't.

The Sask Party plan is sound, and similar plans have been shown to be successful, like how the NWT forgives Student Loans to students who return to the NWT after post secondary education.

Is this guy a product of latter day education? His thinking and writing are sophmoric at best and usage is horrible. God forbid that he ever has a chance to reach a wider audience.

Sounds like the Sask Party policies are as backwater as this poster child for left-lib journalism. If this makeover of the Saskatchewan welfare state is the answer, would the last non FN resident leaving the province please turn off the lights on the way out. Is there really enough economical oil sands, uranium and attrective investment climate that Saskatchewan can afford to imitate the Alberta red Tories and sit back and prosper in spite of themselves? Sorry for the negativity, I just keep hoping to see a real conservative platform somewhere.

This fellow should ask the U of S Alumni office for some statistics on how many graduates are actually still in the province. I'd love to see the mailing list for their magazine.

You can argue the merits or effectiveness of the SaskParty plan, but you can't dispute the facts.

Journalism at it's best!! Wow, and to think that I have to finance that young boy's education so he can persue his career!! If that's the "editor in chief," I don't want to see the rest of the paper!!

What is also VERY humorous to point out is that his evidence for the "growth" in Saskatchewan is the amount of concerts being played at Louis and Amigos. He is talking about giving credit where it is due? Then give it to Jason who is working his ass off at Louis to bring in these big names. And his second point is that even though Saskatchewan has lost 35000 people they are still people moving into Saskatchewan. That's like saying "shit I just got back from Vegas and lost 15 grand on the slots but it is ok cause I won 500 playing poker". What an embarrassment. Almost as bad as his Halloween costume (walked around with a pot on his head). Oh and last time I checked, my membership card had SaskParty listed as one word.

That's right all the Saskparty and big buisness do is tell what a rotten place Saskatchewan is. Yet no Tory gov't has ever done what Mr.Calvert has done. Not even Alberta. We don't have the money Alberta had to work with.

Had Hamilton simply made the case that the province's economy has improved so much that the Sask Party's retention plan is unnecessary, and backed it up with facts and figures, I would have little problem with the editorial. It might have provided valuable insight into an election issue.

But this "I'm so offended" routine is old. Nobody cares if Charles Hamilton is offended. His emotional state is of no consequence to anybody, and it's pure self indulgence on his part to think otherwise.

Chuck, get over yourself.

In between all the squawking about how much the place 'f*cking rocks' and how much he loves the place,he drops,"Why not invest in our communities to make this a more attractive place to live?"
From what he's saying,the place doesn't need anything.It F*CKING ROCKS!!!!!!!

This guy is not playing with a full deck. Being a young 28 year old who has grown up in Ontario I can say that the writer lacks basic understanding of his own situation. It sounds more like parroting a line he heard elsewhere than a true defense of his position and logical explanation of why the Sask party idea is bad. Not to offend all you Saskatchewan readers but unless you already live in Saskatchewan ... you don't want to live there. I live in mid town Toronto, and I have a number of friends and acquaintances from other provinces. I see people come here to find work and I hear of people moving to Calgary for work. outside of that people don't leave a good place for any place that is less beneficial. He has every right to be offended, but he should be more offended that the NDP has let Saskatchewan get this bad. At least the Sask party offers an alternative to continuing on in the same direction.

ok4ua:

Ah, the noble poor of Saskatchewan ...

Such Napoleons in rags, by the language that you use.

Ain't it hard when you discover that
You really weren't where it's at?

After they took from you all they could steal.

How does it feel, yeah, how does it feel.

To be on your own
A complete unknown

With no direction home
Just like a rolling stone

– With apologies to Bob Dylan

You mean to tell me that the English dept of the U of S would teach such bad language to one of their students? I thought that schools of higher learning were to raise people ,not bring them down to the gutter level.

The one thing I would like this young man to state publicly is that he SO offended and So insulted by the bribe of a tuition rebate that should he decide to remain in Saskatchewan to pursue his career he will refuse every single cent that he would be entitled to. Now that would show sincerity, integrity and character. Ya, how much do you want to bet that this is going to happen?

Oh man, it hurts to see this tripe. The Sheaf is the worst piece of journalistic crap ever, and I have to pay them a couple bucks a year in Student Fees. I protest. It's like all the emo 14 year old bloggers grew up and started a news service that consists of, well, complaining about life and exalting the latest homegrown metal band. =(

Calling this journalism is like calling the piss-christ art.

Holy f**king sh*t!

This dude doesn't even have to quote facts! He can call other facts into question without having to back them up, and as long as he mentions a "bar" by name and curses a lot, he's so believable.

I'm totally f***ing voting for the f***ing NDP now!

Saskatoon f***ing rocks!

Sh*thead....

Taylo21

It's about time my man Kovitch received props in an sda forum.

exactly, rabbit.

Had he tossed in some well-sourced stats and cut down the profanity (it's a paper, not a blog...) then I'd have been pretty interested, and I'm not even from SK.

However, the "offended" thing is exactly what's wrong with so much so-called debate today, right and left.

But the left seem to play the "hurt feelings/offended" card more often, at least from what I can see. And more people should have the nerve to say: So what?

No normal person cares about the hurt feelings of a total stranger, except in extreme situations when you hear about that stranger being terribly, personally, slandered. Like, just off the top of my head, that security guard who was falsely accused of the Olympic Games bombing (he just died, at a very young age btw -- yes, words can be fatal, just not as often as liberals say they are...)

This "I'm offended/your words have hurt this or that minority" thing goes to the left/progressive/liberal mindset that "feels the pain" of total strangers all over the globe during every flood or famine.

No, I want to say, you don't. Again, normal sane people with real families, friends and lives truly CAN'T "feel" more than passing empathy for far away stranger/victims. It just isn't possible. Or even _right_.

There were women on the Left with me who cried for days about the Tianamen Square massacre. Now, that was shockingly, hauntingly horrible, a crime of astonishing proportions and an total unjust outrage that every decent person condemns and will never forget.

But:

crying like you'd lost your mother? For days and days?

Especially when during mundane interactions, these same Leftists could be searingly cruel to their own commrades in the 'peace' movement?

I'll leave the analysis to the shrinks. I chose to just get the heck outta there.

Yet no Tory gov't has ever done what Mr.Calvert has done. Not even Alberta. We don't have the money Alberta had to work with.
Posted by: ok4ua at November 2, 2007 2:12 PM

Bwahahahaha!

You're so right ok4ua. NO Tory gov't has ever done what Mr. Calvert has done. And they'd be the first to tell you they're damned proud of that fact!

Here's a little FACT to get in the way of you orange coloured glasses. When they joined Canada in 1905, neither province had a pot to pee in, or a window to throw it out of. Alberta was a poor boy province as well. But when they hit "the big one" at Leduc, Alberta figured out how to make it work. Alberta was one of the "have-not" provinces until about 1975 or so, when it became a (gasp) "have" province and began to pay in to the pot to sustain the other losers in Confederation. Did they whine, bitch moan and complain? Nope, they revelled in the fact that they were pulling their own weight plus.

Unlike Lorne. who got all worked up when it was suggested that now that SK was earning a decent living wage, they might have to give up their welfare cheque.

So, ok4ua, may I respectfully suggest that Alberta had even LESS to work with at the beginning, but overcame it with a "we can do it" attitude, as opposed to a "the gov"t. can do it attitude".

What are those poor unfortunates with your woe is me attitude going to do when SK achieves the success, wealth, and vigor that it has been throwing away for the majority of the past 102 years? I know; you can move to Manitoba!

Who can argue the wisdom of Mr Hamilton who, having attended some righteous concerts at the local student watering holes, pronounces an economic and cultural boom? He failed to mention the fact that there were easily twice the usual number of tents selling handcrafted toe rings and hemp man-bags at the Fringe this year. Clearly we are an “economic epicentre of the prairies”. Forget the Alberta oil sands and their hundreds of billions of dollars in foreign investment. If you want something you can take to the bank, you’ve got to catch The Barmitzvah Brothers and Cuff The Duke rocking it up off Broadway. And highballs are $4 till 10! Unlike the Sask Party, the NDP are not buying votes with their proposed $1000 tuition cut. They are ensuring all students will never have to choose between cover and getting nicely toasted in the front row at Louis’.

As for the pinhead editor at the student newspaper, c'mon. University papers are notorious for being the home for all the socially disaffected youth. It's been like that since the 70s at least. They're not journalists folks. Most of them still have their names written on their underwear.

And now they've got the attention they were so desperately seeking.

Sober2ndthought - BWAAAHAHAHAHA!!!!!

For the SaskParty being out of touch with the people of Saskatchewan, it sure seems like a lot of people are going to vote for them. Does that mean that the majority of us are out of touch or does that mean that Charles is?

I suspect that when he brings his "in-touch" views and his lack of writing skills to the real world outside of the university he will find out.
But maybe my saying so is "complete shit and frankly offensive".

He tells a platform to "F" off and die.

So, if 35000 people left the province and the overall population decreased, how many do you think moved there.

I'm originally from Sask, and Sask is definetley a good place to be from.

Horny Toad

spike 1, he is under the impression that it is gritty, salty and cutting edge to swear like a sailor.

Well speaking AS a sailor who used to be a hard rock miner and who grew up in a steel town surrounded by coal towns the man is an amateur....... ;)

The easiest way to tell when you have won an arguement is when the other side starts swearing. It seems, from waaaay out here on the East coast that the NDP have indeed lost the arguement/election. Wednesday ought to be fun to watch.

Wasn't he the guy who was blowing the pig?

NoOne at 1:03 PM, thanks. You saved me the trouble of looking it up for Kevin myself.

adifferent bob at 12:54 PM, unfortunately, the Sheaf was like that way back when I was an undergrad student at the U of S (1970-73). Not much changes, I guess.

He is going to be the wit in the drive-thru. Can he parrot "Would you like fries with that?"

We don't have the money Alberta had to work with.
ok4ua at 2:12 PM
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1) Albertans didn't find a pot of money under a rock. Their wealth was created by hard work and entrepreneuralism coupled with a government that knew a hands off style of governing unleashes the power of said entrepreneuralism to develop the resources under their feet.

2) Japan has virtually no natural resources outside of the fishery. It has to import much of its food. Yet is has the third largest economy in the world. The situation in Singapore is similar. The governments there manage the infrastructure and the entrepreneurs do the rest.

So sorry, this tired old lefty whine "But Alberta has oil" is just so much crap.

Especially when during mundane interactions, these same Leftists could be searingly cruel to their own commrades in the 'peace' movement
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That is the singular defining characteristic of the left. They "love" humanity, but hate their neighbours.

Jim; I also have known a few fellows that knew how to use colorful language.They would have made that editor look like a kindergarden pupil.They used it for to emphasize what they meant not just to prove that they knew the words.One fellow got kicked out of a govt. program because he phoned to vent his feelings and the representative to whom he was speaking told him that he could'nt speak to her like that!She didnt realize that he was being NICE before.

"So sorry, this tired old lefty whine "But Alberta has oil" is just so much crap.

Posted by: Louise at November 2, 2007 6:34 PM "

Yeah Louise,but the lefties hate to hear the truth.Truth? Saskabush has MORE natural oil/gas reserves then Alberta(which I reside in). Funny how the dippers can stop that stuff at the border!Thanks to the socialists,we in AB have much to be thankful for.They drove ESSO OUT of Sask and into AB,where they discovered Leduc #1. Been uphill ever since. Maybe the dippers are afraid of Saskatchewan becoming a have province?

My husband's job had taken us away from Saskatchewan for 5 years, when we came back we were astounded to see that the population had all but migrated to Alberta. My daughter-in-law, a nurse under Lorne Calverts' govt. could not get full time work in Saskatoon, so off to Alberta with her husband, our son, and grandson they went. During the last provincial election our local NDP candidate had the nerve to ask for our vote. When she sat in our living room we informed her that we had moved back to the wrong province. Since when did the oil in the ground stop at the
Alberta/Saskatchewan border...why had there been NO progress in this province during the 5 years that we were away? My husband did his provincial taxes the Alberta way, since we were able to use our kid' address in Alberta. We dicovered that we would have paid $4,000 the Alberta way...and $8,000 the Saskatchewan way. As the NDP person was leaving, we asked her if she had done HER taxes the Alberta way...she said that she had...and? we asked? what did you find out?...Her answer was that she "didn't like what she saw"
Need I say more? VOTE SASK PARTY!

There are not great jobs in Saskatchewan. Those students who enter professional faculties enter them to do what they see as interesting creative positions. The jobs being created in the SK boom are not those that will drive any ambitious young Sask residents to stay. This pathetic editor of the pathetic sheaf should stop embarrassing the rest of us alumni with his leftist propaganda. We want the jobs that we find in Alberta, BC or Ontario. That is where we can find our self-actualization. Not in socialist tommy-land.

...ok, I did my part, I posted.

Is this Round 2?

;-)

Not following the election, but is it true that the Sask party is giving people $20,000 over 7 years?

YES

I guess he must have been too busy writing it to edit. Or perhaps he's mentally challenged?

Perhaps the following would help this piss-ant Mr Hamilton see through the forest past his own nose:

From 2002 to 2006, Canada's average unionization rate was 32%, compared with 13.9% for the United States. "Higher unionization rates have been shown to reduce employment and investment growth, and worker productivity," Mr. Veldhuis said.

The report suggested that one reason for the difference might be Canada's relatively pro-union labour relation laws. "Canadian provinces would be well-advised to pursue balanced and less prescriptive labour laws," Mr. Veldhuis added.
(Taken from the following article:http://www.canada.com/globaltv/national/story.html?id=edff56f6-6881-4ee2-a2eb-dff35a4876f1).

Lets all just revolt, show the NDP and its union hacks that this province WILL BE BETTER without them holding us back. Bottom feeding leaches who would rather bring us all down to the lowest common denominator.
Bush league.

This fellow is quite articulate, assuming he never made it out of High School.

University is where they teach people what to think, not how to think. Nothing could be more obvious after reading this dingbats attempt at logical thought.

this is just an example of the ignorant people that have a VERY limited vocabulary .CLEAN UP YOUR DISGUSTING FILTHY LANGUAGE and don't bother coming back to this site......are you one of the Trailer Boys??? sounds like it you ingrate

Even the weight of 16 years of NDP manure wil not keep me from voting. Nov. 7 WE SHALL BE FREE!

Funny thing is that in the otherwise a not very intelligent article, the point brought up in the second paragraph, this guy is actually going against what would be normally considered a socialist ndp position.
In this entirely unlikely position on the part of SaskParty the guy is right in the sense that politicians are blowing all kinds of money to by votes.
While this is normal operating procedure in an election campaign, it seems the SaskParty went overboard.
On the other hand the plebeians will take any money that the politicians throw at them since, after all it is the money that these same politicians took from them in the first place.
So far as economic opportunity, how can it be considered an economic opportunity working for a government run, loosing enterprise? There is not much of that for the actual entrepreneurs.
So far as best place anywhere, of course, where you live is the best place in your opinion that is why you live there. For those who left for the big A towards the west, obviously it was not the best place.
Then he points out that the SaskParty failed to mention how many people have moved to Saskatchewan, seems that he failed to mention that too.

e-mail this prick and tell him what u think editor@thesheaf.com, and ok4ua, you can tell him to keep up the good fight

I think Chuck's just pissed because his political career plans are about to be set back 4/8/12/16 years. Give him a break: he's going to go have to find a real job now.

last yer i cudn't evin spel editre in cheef, this yer i are wun!!!

cHarlee

We don't have the money Alberta had to work with.

When I was a kid I had an uncle that worked the "patch". I didn't meet him for many years because he worked in Saskatchwan. I finally met him when he was working in Central Alberta. He said the companies suddenly stopped drilling in SK after the SK people elected the NDP.

If AB oil has money while SK doesn't look no further than the voting habits of the people of SK.

The Sask?Tory party are ahead by 50%. The NDP are ahead in urban centres by 49%. Where the hell were these polls done? And 40% are undecided. Something tells me this is a fixed Poll. In otherwords 40% wouldn't answer one way or the other.

ok4ua,

You may as well go buy your 6/49 ticket for Wednesday's draw. God knows, you have a better chance of winning the lottery than Lorne & Crew have of winning this election.

Na, na, na...hey -eh -eh, goodbye!

...and gooooooood riddance!

It's far from over so don't gloat. A lot of us working stiffs remember the last Tory gov't. Not pretty.

ok4ua the NDP/CCF/bullshit party

Hey how about as a start to having lower tuition, I stop having my fees pay for this useless, not-fit-for-TP school paper.

Saskatchewan’s population has shown to be highly mobile between provinces. From July 1, 1996 to June 30, 2006, an estimated 98,820 adults moved into Saskatchewan while 143,499 adult residents moved from Saskatchewan (net decrease of 44,679).

http://www.stats.gov.sk.ca/pop/POP%20AGE%20GENDER%202006.pdf

ok4u!

Get used to it my friend! The era of fear and bullying is over 4 days.

Irony: something about which this leftard may wish to educate himself.......

"The SP's platform ..... is belligerent and offensive."

"Any platform that is based on telling me how shitty it is can fuck off and die."

I'll echo the "what a bunch of garbage" comments and also point out that this is fairly strategic. The Sheaf is published every Thursday and this article is from the November 1 issue. So there will be no letter to the editor or editor apology (not that we will see one of those) until November 8th. And we all know what day that is.
Although I'm a very recent alumni (2006), and was considering making a small donation this year, they can forget about it.

"It's far from over so don't gloat. A lot of us working stiffs remember the last Tory gov't. Not pretty."

Gloat? We pee in your direction.

...the more things change, the more they stay the same.

Seems UofS still suffers from Lenin's "useful idiots" mentality.

If you assholes get in the fear and bullying will just begin.

ok4ua - just read your last post. By the language you're using it is beginning to look like fear is not what you are drinking in. Must be something else.

CCF,NDP............Tory Party,Sask?Tory??? Do you see a difference? I don't see a difference.

THe Leader Post has picked the winner already. You bloggers have nothing to do with it. When Father Devine was in 620 CKCK offered him free air time. We really don't have a say. The Media pushed for Devine too but he and his party were so rotten that even the new media couldn't make them look good.

Just thought I would point out that the editor in chief at the Sheaf and write of this article, Chuck Hamilton, is the brother of Will Hamilton, the person responsible for creation of the Facebook group Saskatchewan Sign Kicking Party. Do a search on Facebook for Chuck Hamilton, and if you view his friends you will see Will Hamilton listed as his brother.

Edit: Just checked out Facebook again and it looks like Will has dissapeared from the radar.

I am amazed at the amount of people offended by this article; and everyone of you seem to think that he doesn't have a right to be offended by the SaskParty?
Another thing I'd like to point out is that so many of you are jumping to conclusions. Not once did the writer of the article say he was for NDP! He just said he is against the SaskParty.
Personally, I don't want my province bashed either by the SaskParty, nor do I want it to turn into another Alberta. that doesn't mean I'm going to vote NDP.
Frankly, I thought his article was great.. a bit blunt, but great.

No one seemed to notice the article I wrote, a little to the "left" of Charles' article on the page, about strategic voting. Funny that the entire Sheaf staff is assumed to be Leftist and supportive of the NDP. I also don't see where Charles says that he supports Lorne Calvert.