“Al Qaeda in Iraq is defeated,”

Religion Of Submission 32 Comments

Yon;

Speaking through an interpreter at a 31 October meeting at the Iraqi Islamic Party headquarters in downtown Baghdad, Sheik Omar said that al Qaeda had been “defeated mentally, and therefore is defeated physically,” referring to how clear it has become that the terrorist group’s tactics have backfired. Operatives who could once disappear back into the crowd after committing an increasingly atrocious attack no longer find safe haven among the Iraqis who live in the southern part of Baghdad. They are being hunted down and killed. Or, if they are lucky, captured by Americans.

32 Replies to ““Al Qaeda in Iraq is defeated,””

  1. Democrat politicians in the U.S. will tell you that this is bad news indeed. Most of them will tell you its a lie.

  2. I still think this was the right thing to do, and I’m still keeping my fingers crossed.

  4. When the Iraqis start taking responsibility for dealing with the thugs like this it can only be a good thing. Hyperbole from the local government aside.
    It also means that more US troops can go home sooner…which should make just about everyone happy…

  6. John Gibson? That twit is windbag! In fact, he was just nominated a runner-up worst person in the world on Countdown.
    Now Olbermann…theres an import worth something.
    You and John Gibson deserve each other.

  8. Hey joe bfsplk,
    a) learn how to spell
    b) as a troll you fail and
    c) lefties are mentally retarded
    Three strikes, you’re out. Loser

  9. The ratings for cable in then us are revealing. Top 8 all fox. Olberman wayyy down there. The Americans do not even want him.
    Enough

  10. joe bfsplk:
    Your four bullet conclusions above are little more than left-wing ad hominems…
    War on poverty: Fewer people as a percentage of the total living in poverty than ever in history -in fact the rate is crashing – thanks mostly to gloablization of which the US is the primary champion.
    War on drugs: hardly “lost”, difficult to be sure, but those on the left are the ones proposing unconditional surrender by setting up injection sites. Have fun dropping your teenager off at one just before she goes and truns a few tricks to pay for the next one.
    War on Crime: In N.A property crime is highest where gun laws are the strongest. As a trend overall the rates like pverty are plummeting – a function of the aging demo and tougher crime laws.
    War in Iraq: The Cost is a fraction of Vietnam as a percent of GDP and more importantly in lives and suffering not only in American terms but also for Iraqis – the # of iraqis killed is far less than it would have been if Saddam was in power.

  11. Re the war in Iraq – this was exactly what was supposed to happen. The US forced Islamic fascism back into the domain of its root causes – the dysfunctional tribal politics of the ME that represses the ME population by setting up tribal hierarchies of power.
    Islamic fascism, in the west, is purely ideological. It’s focused on blind emotional hysterics of ‘my culture’ and ‘once we were supreme’ and ‘you are evil’. Pure unsubstantiated rhetoric – kept alive by the tribal rants from SA, Iran, who don’t want to deal with the internal political problems and transform the political faults into purely cultural situations.
    The US moved the conflict back into the ME. This means that the ME people there have to confront the violence of a dysfunctional political and economic system. They have to reject tribalism; they have to reject one tribe fighting another tribe for power – and move into a non-tribal inclusive civic mode of political governance.
    The US was right to do this – and we in the West are seeing the positive results.
    But – the West must continue the fight, and it must reject multicultural relativism in the West, because that protects Islamic fascism by keeping it alive – in the West, while it crumbles in the ME.

  12. Hey Joe,
    war on poverty: lost until the poor decide to help themselves.
    war on drugs: lost big time until the fools who take drugs decide to quit taking them and get a life.
    war on crime: no hope until we purge the courts and governments of big liberals who excuse criminals.
    Got that Joe? That’s the reality that you and idiots like you are in big denial over. You think everything someone else’s fault.
    Here is the news flash for you. We are the authors of our own horrors. And FYI, most successful people are not lucky at all.
    Here is phenomenon. There is no luck involved. I was born in poverty and has little opportunity when I was young. I could have decided to lean on the welfare net or get into drugs or crime. I chose to work instead and the harder I worked, the ‘luckier’ I got.
    I continued to learn new things at my own expense and on my own time resulting in make more and more money. Now I have my own business and plan to retire in three years at age 68 on money I saved and invested. I am a high school drop out. If I can do this, almost anyone can.
    This simple formula can work for anyone with a spine. Those who don’t have one, don’t deserve anything.
    Now grow up and stop whining Joe.

  13. This is very good news indeed!! But it’s not over by a long shot.
    The hate spewing Imams depend on the hatred to maintain their control and to suppress education of their people, both men and certainly women.
    With good tactics, brave men and women and exposing the left for the useless tools that they are, we’ll win this thing, in spite of the 5th Column that is alive and well in Canada and the US.
    Pat

  14. One more thing to Joe Blow … The war in Iraq is going well because men with spine are over there not giving up. Some are giving up their lives so we can continue to enjoy our freedom and security. I know you cannot connect those dots Joe because you hate yourself and have no confidence.
    The success in Iraq may cost the dems the election the USA and that would be a big blessing. If Hellery gets in, horrible things will happen in the free world. The Islamists will dance with joy.
    Joe will dance with them until they chop his head off for being such a whiny twit.

  16. What has happened in Iraq is that the muslim populace has realized the the war isn’t between non-muslims and muslims but between civilized society and barbarism and that the coalition forces are on the same side as they are.
    It is worth noting that it took quite a while for the Japanese and the Germans to realize that the Allies were liberators, not conquerers(sp?).
    The Dems, who have been pulled into the far-left reactionary quagmire of “Iraq is lost” rhetoric look to lose both houses and see the executive remain in rep (Guiliani) hands in 2008.

  17. The US was right to do this – and we in the West are seeing the positive results.
    Yes ET the U.S. was right not to have left Iraq back in April 07 when you spent a weekend arguing with me that they should leave because the situation was hopeless and the tribal structure would prevent Iraq from ever being civilized.
    You were wrong on both counts, (but don’t worry it’s our litttle secret, no one was payng attention while you talked through your hat).

  18. Well said John West!I started with nothing but a strong back and a good work ethic. I own part of a company worth 11-12 million. Luck is created by those who want to improve their lives and the lives of those around them.

  19. Having been unable to counter the rebuttals of myself and others, joe bfsplk resorts to the typical response of leftist cads – a flurry of ad hominems and a unilateral (and illogical/irrational) declaration of victory.

  20. There is one thing that I have always wished for the lefties of Canada,and that is that their forefathers had emigrated to Poland in the early 19 hundreds. They then would have found out what bad neighbors were really like and not lived safely under the protection of the US like they have.They would have found out especially how their hero’s from the USSR treated people.The US sat back in the first world war for three years hoping that the europeans would get their fight over,then for two years letting the europeans fight it out and only got involved after being attacked in Hawaii.Britain was especially afraid that the US would only go to war against Japan.The US has decided that if they have to fight the wars they should be involved from the start.They defeated the “glorious Soviet Union” without firing a shot and to see their peoples hero movement defeated so easily sticks in every lefties craw.

  22. “US of A is the most aggressive and violent nations in history, reaching all around the globe”
    Tovarysh, let me introduce to you the most aggressive and violent IDEOLOGY in history, reaching all around the globe — KILLING 100 Million last century — at least to a group of Frenchmen and women who wrote “Le livre noir du communisme”.
    “it seems the shifting sands of loyalty from the white house puts them [Kurds] in the bad list again” –> Iraqi Kurdish Regional Authority (of 3 provinces) joins the whole world in considering the PKK terrorists.
    “lacked lasting long term vision since ted roosevelt’s day” –> Including Rhodes Scholar Slick Willie.

  23. “There is one thing that I have always wished for the lefties of Canada,and that is that their forefathers had emigrated to Poland in the early 19 hundreds. […] They would have found out especially how their hero’s from the USSR treated people.”
    The final chapter of “In Denial” by John Haynes and Harvey Klehr list the names of 141 Communist Americans from Finland or of Finnish stock who left the U.S. to build a Finnish-speaking communist Utopia in Karelia — only to be shot in the head in the 1937-42 Stalinist purge.

  24. “War on poverty: Lost”
    Unhuh. An immigrant to the United States, on why he chose America rather than some other democratic country: “Why wouldn’t I want to immigrate to a country where even the ‘poor people’ are fat?”
    Most ‘poor’ are only so by degree. Vast numbers of ‘poor’ are equipped with television, telephones, cable TV, microwave ovens and a social safety net that offers some security and comfort.
    Most ‘poor’ also have access to schools, training that encompasses everything from job skills to budget meal preparations, dental care, health care, counselling, transit passes and should they choose to use community kitchens, free meals and food banks.
    Oh, and for those ‘poor’ who are mentally and physically able – the vast majority of the ‘poor’ – there are basic jobs going begging (no pun intended, of course).
    For Joe bfsplk, the poor will be with us until all resources are shared equally and without regard to one’s contribution to societal good.

  25. Something noticed by immigrants from tyranny, once they’ve come to the U.S. and the West, is how much we try to look after and accomodate our mentally and physcially disabled, our homeless, our elderly, and our disadvantaged. These immigrants also notice how their tax dollars are actually put to work for the people, with everything from garbage pick-up to hospitals (unlike commie & tyranical states where the nations’ earnings go to the military and the Party Leaders’ lavish lifestyles).

  26. Who is winning in Iraq?
    It’s not for me to say but the tribal leaders are now wearing suits and ties.

  27. “Al Qaeda in Iraq is defeated.”
    Hey, that sounds alot like “Mission Accomplished!”
    “The brutal Afghan winter”
    “Arab street uprisings”
    “Abu Gharib concentration camp”
    “BushHitler”
    Hey. This is fun

  28. terry gain – you are talking about two different issues.
    First – I NEVER, ever, said that the situation was hopeless. Never. Second, I NEVER, ever said that the tribal structure would prevent Iraq from being ‘civilized’. Never. Don’t put words into my mouth.
    I stand by my two points. The US was right to attack Islamic fascism and move it back into the ME, which is where it should be fought. By Muslims against Fascist Muslims.
    My second point is equally valid. The US should not stay in Iraq or the ME, functioning as their protection against Fascists. It is the resident Muslims in Iraq/ME who should ‘stand up’ and take on that fight themselves. They should not ignore this fascism; they should decide to reject fascism themselves. Not leave it up to the US to fight for them.
    The fact that you cannot see the difference between the two arguments of (1) moving fascism back into the ME, so that (2) the MUSLIMS can confront it themselves and themselves reject it and(not have the US do it for them) – well, the fact that you can’t see the difference is your problem.
    I won’t tell anyone that you can’t see the difference.
    And don’t base your false arguments on what I didn’t say. My whole point about tribalism is that the ME people are trapped in it, and must confront it themselves. The US was right to move fascism back into the ME, and it is right that the US leave – so that the ME Muslims themselves reject and fight against Islamic fascism.

  29. ET
    I see revisionism rests lightly on your shoulders. You spent a weekend 6 months ago arguing with me that the U.S. should leave Iraq.
    I argued it was nonsense to suggest that the U.S should leave when the war had reached the tipping point and the Surge had not been fully implemented.
    You were wrong.
    None of this progress would have been possible if the U.S. had done what you urged. You went wobbly just as the Surge and the Awakenings were turning things around.
    And the tribal structure you castigate was instrumental in turning things around.
    You were wrong on both counts even if you aren’t honest enough to admit it.

  30. No, terry – I stand by my points.I know exactly what I was arguing about and I repeat them.
    My basic point was that Iraq had to be careful not to ignore, themselves, Islamic fascism and allow only the US to fight it. They had to, themselves, fight against Muslim extremism; the Iraqi people themselves had to reject Islamic fascism. That was my point. You ignored this requirement for a robust Iraqi society.
    That’s why I said – that at some time soon, the US had to leave – because you couldn’t have a situation where only the US was fighting terrorism and the Iraqi people were not, themselves, openly and strongly rejecting it.
    Now – the Iraqi people are themselves rejecting Islamic fascism. That’s what I said was required. But it could have gone the other way; they were moving to a situation where the Iraqi people were not, themselves, rejecting fascism; they were relying on the US to fight it. No good. That was my concern and why I was saying that the US had to leave. I maintain my point. The fact that you don’t ‘get it’ – is your problem.
    You have absolutely no understanding of tribalism. The change now, is a rejection of a tribal political structure and a movement towards a civic structure.

  32. Dress it up all you want ET. The fact remains that after supporting the mission from the outset you posted a comment about six months ago which began “I think the U.S. should leave Iraq …’
    You were wrong. The U.S. did not leave. If they had, it would have been a disaster.
    You advocated a disaster.
    In my opinion this was worse than being opposed to the war from the outset.
    You don’t start a winnable war and then abandon it
    –     as you advocated –
    just because goddam liberals oppose it and appear to have the upper hand.
    Goddam liberals will always oppose true progress and doing what’s right, especially if it’s difficult.

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