“It treats issues differently from one instance to another. This huge inconsistency can make Muslims confused. Based on this confusion, many Muslims have for centuries excluded non-Muslims from their orbit. In addition, the traditional script of the Qur’an exhorts repulsion of ‘others’ much more than acceptance. Many Muslims are unwilling to realise that the Qur’an was written and compiled by the pioneers of Islam through different political stages. Instead, many take the book as the final verdict of God. These Qur’anic teachings have been enforced by Sharia even more strictly than the Qur’an itself over the centuries. Now, for many, the whole essence of Islam is repulsion of others.”
“Today the spokespersons of Islam are ignoring fundamental realities in a fake attempt to show global harmony. They are trying to show Islam as a religion of peace. They blame the foreign policies of Britain and the USA for every misery in the Muslim world. Left-leaning groups across the world are allying themselves with Muslim fundamentalists because of a common hatred of the USA. So many leftwing academics are facilitating the denial and conspiracy theories of Muslims. Interestingly, we, as Muslims, have been accusing others of denying the ultimate ‘truth’ of Islam, hence calling them infidels. Actually, many of us are now in denial as to the religious roots of terrorism. According to our own definition of infidel, we can be viewed as being infidels. Without acknowledging the sin of denial, we can’t rectify our misdeeds. That’s the reason I have proposed the New Islam project, to encourage that realisation.”
An Interview with Tahir Aslam Gora..
Related: “The Term ‘Moderate Islam’ Is Ugly And Offensive; There Is No Moderate Islam”
Closer to home, an update on the Toronto letter bomber: “Bunch of guys named Mohammed say guy whose middle name is Mohammed seemed unstable.”
Yes, remember that, Self-Loathing Multiculturalist: small dead minds are always right about everything…because they say they are. ROTFLMAO
But how is that possible, A? SDA loyalists being right all the time, I mean. I’m just a poor deluded right-winger, motivated by homophobia, racism and a latent fascination with the sexual prowess of non-white races and all, right? How did TSLM get so far inside my head like that? Here I was, tuning into the SDA echo-chamber to have my thoughts thunk for me, when the scales were ripped from my eyes with his insightful insights! I feel…I feel so used! Oh god, I can’t believe I’m crying!
“If you enumerate all the best nations in the world, one where its people enjoy individual freedoms and understand that responsibility is part of the deal, the vast majority would be Judaeo/Christian.”
Secular actually and trending towards no religion fast. That west has seen increasing levels of personal freedom and liberty while simultaneously turning its back on religion. What does that tell you?
maybe these trolls should go tell these alqaida we want to live in peace wonder how many will come back headless
Jose -“Secular actually and trending towards no religion fast. That west has seen increasing levels of personal freedom and liberty while simultaneously turning its back on religion. What does that tell you?”
That the west’s decline is sure to follow.
A “You can’t win this argument, for the simple reason that SDA loyalists are always right about everything”
I’m tempted to believe that this is some kind of parody. That would be the charitable interpretation. But then again there really are people who comment who are that thick so who nows.
“You spit on freedom because you’ve always had it.”
Ayaan Hirsi Ali to Avi Lewis
Some people just need to feel important. Living in the best societies on earth, societies (founded on Judeo-Christian principles) that everyone else wants to immigrate to, they just have to trash those societies in order to feel important. “Must rebel, maaaan.” It’s juvenile. Take your trendy radicalism that would melt in terror at the sight of real revolutionaries (those true tyrants who would execute you without a second thought if you don’t adhere to their utopian creed), and go feel important in Cuba, Venezuala, any Middle Eastern country, Russia, Zimbabwe, war-lord led African countries, China, etc. Go rebel against the powers that be in those places, maaaan. You might find out just exactly how much you love living in a Judeo-Christian-founded society.
“… there really are people who comment who are that thick so who nows.”
Who “nows” indeed, thick-boy.
Jose: “Secular actually and trending towards no religion fast. That west has seen increasing levels of personal freedom and liberty while simultaneously turning its back on religion. What does that tell you?”
It tells me that we’ve used up just about all the Judeo-Christian (anti-pagan) moral capital in the bank that’s been floating our civilization for centuries.
As we become more secular, our society’s becoming more and more uncouth and pagan. Go to any public school or walk down the filthy, chaotic streets of our cities, now full of aimless, self-mutilated young people.
More freedom and liberty? No way. Try license and PC tyranny: we’re being regulated to death–first our minds and souls. Watch ROME: worse is surely to come.
Wake up, Jose and smell the rot.
“I wouldn’t be alone in thinking each time an artist or commentator insults Christians: friend, if you’re so brave, say that about Islam.
Show us your chocolate Mohammeds. Show us your Korans dipped in urine.
Where is the singer who will rip up a Koran as Marilyn Manson ripped up a Bible? Or will on television tear up a picture of Islam’s most honoured preacher as Sinead O’Connor shredded one of the great Pope John Paul II?
It’s not as if Islam doesn’t threaten our artists more than does Christianity.
See only the murder of film director Theo van Gogh or the fatwa on writer Salman Rushdie or the stabbing of Rushdie’s translator. Or see those deadly riots against the Mohammed cartoons.
So when I see a Western artist mock Christ, I see an artist advertising not his courage but his cowardice – by not daring to mock what would threaten him more . . .
that more people now know there is a double standard here illustrated perfectly by the Melbourne International Comedy Festival, which banned acts that told jokes against Muslims but promoted ones that lampooned Christians.
It’s this blatant double standard that may finally have shamed some of the usual jeerers into showing Christianity a little respect.
And perhaps – just perhaps – more of us might be wakening to a truth we too long took for granted. It’s no accident that we feel safer insulting Christians than trashing almost anyone else.
This is a religion that’s always preached tolerance, reason and non-violence, even if too many of its followers have seemed deaf.
It’s also urged us to leave the judgment of others to God (a message I ignore for professional reasons). We are the beneficiaries of that preaching, even those of us who aren’t Christians.
We live in a society, founded on Christian principles, that guards our right to speak, and even to abuse things we should praise.
We can now vilify Jesus and damn priests, and risk nothing but hard looks from a soft bishop . . .
We dare all that because we do not actually fear what we condemn. We know Christians are taught not to punch our smarmy face, and we even count on it. Indeed, it is the very faith we mock that has made us so safe.
This is one reason why I, an agnostic, will today do what I do every Easter, and play Bach’s divine St Matthew Passion while I sit for a while and give thanks.
I will be thanking again not only a preacher of astonishing moral clarity and courage, but one who inspired a faith that has brought us unparalleled gifts – including the freedom to create even a chocolate Jesus in this most holy of weeks.”
http://blogs.news.com.au/heraldsun/andrewbolt/index.php/heraldsun/comments/column_kinder_to_our_christians/
Sorry, long quote, but it says so much.
Jose, you want to know where we are going?
http://www.smalldeadanimals.com/archives/006974.html
SDA’ers are always right… Mmm hmm. ‘Cause we know shite from clay. Jose meanwhile is having a bath in it and wondering what that nasssty smell is.
Your bridge is lonely, Jose.
TSLM:
Wherever did you get the notion that Hitler ran a far-right party?
Does the name of the party, the National Socialists, give you a clue where these control freaks stand on the political spectrum?
The major difference between marxism and National Socialism is the marxists that the state should control means of economic production.
Both are into social control of their populace, a trademark of left-wing regimes everywhere.
Thank God I was raised in Alberta, where the education system actually shows where parties sit on the policial spectrum and not in the People’s Republic of Saskatchewan, whose death throes we are thankfully witnessing.
Fellow travellers, don’t let TSML ever get away with this lie that ‘Hitler is a right-winger’ again.
If Hitler is to the right of TSML, then TSML has defined himself as a marxist.
Now you know what you’re dealing with.
Secular actually and trending towards no religion fast. That west has seen increasing levels of personal freedom and liberty while simultaneously turning its back on religion.
Take a look around at Christ mas time. See all those Christ mas trees?
Hosea 14:8 Ephraim shall say, What have I to do any more with idols? I have heard him, and observed him: I am like a green fir tree. From me is thy fruit found.
Btw, Christianity is not a religion, but a reality. The blessings of Christian countries are self-evident.
“Wherever did you get the notion that Hitler ran a far-right party?”
Because he despised socialism and the working class.
“Thank God I was raised in Alberta, where the education system actually shows where parties sit on the policial spectrum”
Your post does not present the Alberta system in a favourable light.
“Fellow travellers, don’t let TSML ever get away with this lie that ‘Hitler is a right-winger’ again.”
Obviously you know very little about Fascism, Communism, their differences and their similarities.
Here’s a general question to left wingers who are reading this blog:
Do you ever find it kind of addictive to argue with people on SDA (or other right-wing blogs) who are clearly insane? I’m finding it kind of a hard habit to kick.
I was hoping that the comments about the sexual fascination with non-whites and their secret admiration for head-chopping would strike some kind of a raw nerve, which would result in a registration policy being enacted, a la LGF. Sadly, nothing of the sort has happened.
Does any one else have the same thing? Jose?
I thought that comment about the sexual prowess of non-white males was out of order personaly.
I’m a debate junkie period, I don’t get off on pissing people normaly. Although I do get mildly amused by reactionaries throwing a fit because you’ve skewered them.
“Wherever did you get the notion that Hitler ran a far-right party?”
Because he despised socialism and the working class.
There are several different kinds of socialism.
“Contrary to the Marxists, the Nazis did not advocate public ownership of the means of production. They did demand that the government oversee and run the nation’s economy. The issue of legal ownership, they explained, is secondary; what counts is the issue of CONTROL. Private citizens, therefore, may continue to hold titles to property — so long as the state reserves to itself the unqualified right to regulate the use of their property.
If “ownership” means the right to determine the use and disposal of material goods, then Nazism endowed the state with every real prerogative of ownership. What the individual retained was merely a formal deed, a content-less deed, which conferred no rights on its holder. Under communism, there is collective ownership of property DEJURE. Under Nazism, there is the same collective ownership DE FACTO.
THE OMINOUS PARALLELS, by Leonard Peikoff
“I’m with Ghandi on this one, I like your Christ. I don’t like your christians they are so unlike your Christ. Most Christians don’t act anything like the Bible says they should in my opinion. They cherry pick what they want out of that book and ignore the rest.” by Jose
Jose, I think you’re doing a little cherry pickin’ yourself there. I doubt very much you have any insight into the Bible. We are all sinners; the difference between Christians and non-Christians is that Christians at least acknowledge they are sinning, whilst non-Christians haven’t a clue that they are sinning.
The left sticks up for Islam is the real problem; they fail to acknowledge that there is a problem with Islam and that Muslims in western countries follow Islam. Literally billions of dollars have been spent since 9/ll in security alone because of nutjob Islamic extremists, a.k.a. Muslims Gone Wild, and their antics. Unfortunately, since one can’t tell a so-called moderate Muslim from an extremist Muslim, perhaps sending them all packing will be our only alternative, and when the crap starts hitting the fan in our neighborhoods, we will all be wondering what all the fuss was about the in the WW’s when the Japanese were all rounded up.
WHY WE ARE SOCIALISTS
by Joseph Goebbels
http://www.calvin.edu/academic/cas/gpa/haken32.htm
Excerpt;
The sin of Marxism was to degrade socialism into a question of wages and the stomach, putting it in conflict with the state and its national existence. An understanding of both these facts leads us to , which sees its nature as nationalistic, state-building, liberating and constructive.
How come we never read or hear the term Christianophobic or Jesusophobic or Christophobic? There certainly seems to be a lot of people who are just this – fear Christians and their beliefs because Christian beliefs may infringe on their own lack of beliefs.
I am all for giving groups the benefit of the doubt. That does not mean that people should be blinded by their idealism. Look at all the countries of the world that are having problems with Islamist aggression. It is a long list. It includes all forms of governments from democracies to communists to dictatorships. The violence is present in these nations regardless the race – African, Asian, Caucasian. Both in developed nations and undeveloped nations. In countries they immigrate to as well as their home nations. Muslims are common denominator.
I have no problem with debate and discussion. Progressives can continue to argue that all religions are the same and Islam is a religion of peace but the facts do not support this theory. One or two incidences by Muslims could have been explained as coincidence but the number of conflicts now indicates a clear pattern of unsociable behaviors. For Canadians to think they will be the exception is not logical.
“I thought that comment about the sexual prowess of non-white males was out of order personaly.”
The comment was not about non-whites, but how non-whites are perceived by whites. In fact, there are actually people who’ve studied the history of sexual relations between races, and how people’s conceptions of other races play out.
I’m hardly breaking controversial, new ground there.
” sin of Marxism was to degrade socialism into a question of wages and the stomach, putting it in conflict with the state and its national existence. An understanding of both these facts leads us to , which sees its nature as nationalistic, state-building, liberating and constructive.”
And East Germany called itself the “Germany Democratic Republic”. I guess that means that Democracy is an evil system then.
The only people you’ve ever skewered were in your wet dreams, Jose.
their secret admiration
TSLM, this is second time in this thread that you have mentioned this secret admiration.
If it is a fact, you’ll have no trouble whatsoever providing the evidence. If it’s just your opinion, a figment of your overwrought imagination, say so. You can not present opinion as fact. They are not the same thing.
One more thing – if this secret admiration does in fact exist, you wouldn’t know about it since it is, well, secret.
ya’all best sit down and accept Christ. if you wish to follow big mo then get youself a weapon and continue the killing.
“It’s not as if Islam doesn’t threaten our artists more than does Christianity.”
Mohammad began doing that after taking over Mecca. There were two popular poets who poked fun at him. As a result, old ‘peaceful’ Mo put out a hit on each of them.
Murdering artists that don’t tow the party line. Another thing leftists hold in common with Islam.
The moonbats have been devastated, again. Though, of course, they don’t have the brain capacity to realize it.
I’m sure many borderline leftoids have tipped back to rational thought after reading the posts of the Self Loather, Jose, A, and the rest of the pond life.
“The moonbats have been devastated, again.”
Presenting an argument that consists of nothing but infantile insults and declaring yourself the winner of an argument doesn’t rate as devastation in my books. It’s amusingly pathetic at best.
anybody thinks hitler did not harbour a version and elements of socialism in his aryan idyl fantasy, please explain the term ‘national SOCIALism’ for me tq.
he detested personally and ideologically the soviet variant. but socialist it was, envisioning a primarily agrarian, racially pure and pretty much self sufficient german nation and people.
read some history books people and puleese stop jamming up the blogoshere with your opinion pieces and speculation.
“If it is a fact, you’ll have no trouble whatsoever providing the evidence. If it’s just your opinion, a figment of your overwrought imagination, say so. You can not present opinion as fact. They are not the same thing.”
I’ve explained the psychological basis for this several times in this blog. If you are too lazy to do a search for my posts, that is not my problem.
That my opinion was just that, an opinion, seemed fairly self-evident by the nature of my explanation. Either you didn’t read it, or you read it but didn’t understand it. Or, you did read it, and it is true, and your only reaction is to argue about meaningless semantics.
Murdering artists that don’t tow the party line. Another thing leftists hold in common with Islam.”
well that puts the right wing death squads of central america ‘right’ in the same boat then doesnt it mr daisy.
right wing despots the world over throughout modern history have veritable supertankers full of the blood of the artisans, poets, and writers they have murdered.
“he detested personally and ideologically the soviet variant. but socialist it was, envisioning a primarily agrarian, racially pure and pretty much self sufficient german nation and people.È
No, Hitler was not a Socialist. As I explained before, he despised the working class, and specifically wanted an authoritarian elite to run society. Private enterprise did perfectly well under Hitler, including American companies,such as IBM and Ford.
As I said before, East Germany called itself the German Democratic Republic. By your logic, then, democracy involves having a massive state security apparatus that spies on all its citizens.
“Presenting an argument that consists of nothing but infantile insults and declaring yourself the winner of an argument doesn’t rate as devastation in my books. It’s amusingly pathetic at best.”
There are two types of people that do this: raving Stalinists and LGFers.
There is little difference between communism and fascism save the excuses that either variant of tyranny uses to justify the murders committed in their name. Each properly belongs on the left side of the political spectrum, under the heading of Statism, and you can argue all you want as to whether Stalin was left or right of Hitler, if you think that the number of deaths caused by each is a valid criteria to do so. In no respect does tacking the word ‘Democratic’ somewhere in the name of a statist country either make its government democratic or diminish the nature of democracy by association.
SLM:
National SOCIALIST Party.
Which part don’t you understand?
Nazism (a shortened version of National Socialist Party) is every bit a left-wing ideology as marxism, no matter how ignorant you are of the fact and no matter how loud you shout.
There is no escaping the truth and the truth is that Adolf Hitler and his minions were SOCIALISTS.
And SLM:
Who gave the party the name National Socialists?
Attila the freakin’ Hun?
Or, is that the name they gave themselves.
Give your head a shake.
Summing up the leftie loonies, self evident here:
from Melanie Phillips:
“Liberals also think they are superior in intelligence to everyone else. So they don’t understand that the Islamists are actually playing them for suckers, exploiting the intrinsic weakness of a liberal society they correctly assess as decadent: no longer prepared to fight for its values because it no longer even knows what they are.”
“What we are living through in the west is nothing short of a repudiation of the Enlightenment, a repudiation of reason; and its substitution by irrationality, obscurantism, bigotry and clerical totalitarianism — all facilitated by our so-called ‘liberal’ society, and all in the name of ‘human rights’. Western liberalism now embraces its Islamist mortal enemies and attacks its American and Israeli allies in the fight to defend civilisation.”
“We are giving the Islamists the message that we are theirs for the taking. This is how liberalism may disappear up its own backside.”
http://www.melaniephillips.com/articles-new/?p=510
Thought-provoking stuff, sounder.
It is the inability to distinguish between what is right and what is wrong, as exemplified by some of our friends here, which will lead to their eventual enslavement.
They cannot even fantom basic facts … a pitiful excuse for humanity right here in the west.
Unless the moral relativists actually articulate that they believe in the values of individual freedom and responsibility, somebody will come along and do it for them.
And, troubled souls that they are, will not like it one bit.
Just like they spit on the freedom they were born with, they will curse themselves for their impending life of slavery.
SYF, simplistically, these people can’t handle reality unless it falls from the sky on their heads, alas too late to react. And they’ll say ‘I didn’t see that’. Of course not, they are always looking away. They are worldly but not world-wise I would say.
“Liberals also think they are superior in intelligence to everyone else.”
(1) I am not a Liberal. A Liberal is not a socialist. They are two different political philosophies.
(2) The Islamists are not playing any one for suckers.
(3) The only people who will take away my freedom are right-wing politicians, who want the right to electronically snoop on everything in the world and “render” me to third-world countries to be tortured.
(4) The Islamists will not take over the world. Although the United States will, at some point, enter a period of decline, they, nor Europe, will be supplanted by an Islamic Empire. More likely, China, India, or other Asian countries will form a counter-weight to American power.
(5) Hitler was not a leftist. Statism, and the use of the state to exterminate human beings does not make one a leftist. Eugene Victor Debbs, Tommy Douglas, Martin Luther King Jr. were leftists. Hitler was not.
“Nazism (a shortened version of National Socialist Party) is every bit a left-wing ideology as marxism, no matter how ignorant you are of the fact and no matter how loud you shout.”
I know what it stands for. If Hitler was a Socialist, can you explain why IBM, Ford, IG Farben, and other private companies prospered under Hitler? What sort of Socialism was that?
As I mentioned before, if Hitler calling himself a Socialist means, he is a socialist, than East Germany calling itself the German Democratic Republic, makes it a Democracy. You can’t have it both ways.
“It is the inability to distinguish between what is right and what is wrong, as exemplified by some of our friends here, which will lead to their eventual enslavement.”
And who will enslave me? Is it the Muslims? How will they take over Canada? Has the RCMP been notified of this?
ditto
Posted by “Self-loathing” –
(3) The only people who will take away my freedom are right-wing politicians, who want the right to electronically snoop on everything in the world and “render” me to third-world countries to be tortured.
WHAATTT???
Sometimes I despair for you SL. Between your paranoia and your self-loathing, you seem to be on a slippery slope, and slipping fast.
My advice to you? Take a pill and lie down. You’ll feel better in the morning.
“Between your paranoia and your self-loathing, you seem to be on a slippery slope, and slipping fast.”
really? I guess you haven’t heard of Maher Arar. Perhaps you should stop reading SDA and read actual newspapers.
SLM
Poor you, if all you read is newspapers, I can now understand why you are so ill informed.
Please, please, Jose and Self-Loathing chap . . . You’ve got Hollywood, the mainstream media, most of the newspapers, the universities and profs — they’re all on your side. We hear your “radical” ideas ALL.THE.TIME. You’re sooo The Man. You’re sooo mainstream and status quo. We get it, we get it. We’re inundated with your predictable and inane arguments constantly, from all sides. We know, we know. Conservatives are evil. George W. Bush is evil. The West is evil. Capitalism is evil. Christianity is evil. Traditionalists are evil. Harper is evil. White Males are evil. Everyone else, and all other religions, and all the horrible things they do, are just misunderstood, and victims of The West. We know, we know.
Sigh.
You tell us nothing new. You tell us nothing radical and earth-shaking. We hear it ALL.THE.TIME. Please, let us have SDA, this one small corner of the internet, where we can be free from your predictable, boring, leftist group-think. Kate is so not mainstream, so not status-quo, so fun. That’s why we love her so. Leave us our one small area, free from the brainwashed. OK? Go back to your mainstream blogs where you can congratulate yourselves on your “radicalism” and the success of the ’60s.
You’re boring. Predictable. Can you just give us one area free from your all-pervasive views?
Oh Mr. Loathing, I see you have defined yourself as a mere troll trying to get yourself banned.
Nice.
When even Jose says you are out of line, I need add nothing further.
Back under your bridge, hateful one. May your own bile poison you.
Ann, Jose is a shining pillar of rectitude compared to Mr. Loathing here. Loathsome was once a child who pulled the wings off flies and wants re-live his glory days on Kate’s dime.
Major mental malfunction, obviously. Thank God he isn’t living in my town.
If we ignore him, presently he’ll go away. Sadists can’t stand being ignored.
“Please, please, Jose and Self-Loathing chap . . . You’ve got Hollywood, the mainstream media, most of the newspapers, the universities and profs — they’re all on your side. We hear your “radical” ideas ALL.THE.TIME. You’re sooo The Man. You’re sooo mainstream and status quo. We get it, we get it. We’re inundated with your predictable and inane arguments constantly, from all sides. We know, we know. Conservatives are evil. George W. Bush is evil. The West is evil. Capitalism is evil. Christianity is evil. Traditionalists are evil. Harper is evil. White Males are evil. Everyone else, and all other religions, and all the horrible things they do, are just misunderstood, and victims of The West. We know, we know”
THe media tells you this? Really? Where? Can you please bring it to my attention.
Is this the same media that uncritically cheered on the war in iraq? That tells us that Iraqi’s, having been blown to bits by the Americans, have to take resposibility for the mess some on else made in their country.
Maybe your corner of the internet wouldn’t be so small if you weren’t all hopelessly insane – but hilarious none the less.
Is this the same media that uncritically cheered on the war in iraq?
Wow, you must not be taking in the same papers and newscasts as the rest of us. I never saw anything that was more “positive” than relative neutrality; everything else was focused on negatives (cost, fatalities, “blowback”, etc) and criticism.