The “Global Warming Deniers” are beginning to speak up.
The chilling effect on free speech;
Earlier this year, when a correspondent for the American current affairs show 60 Minutes was asked why his various feature programmes on global warming did not include the views of global warming sceptics, he replied: ‘If I do an interview with Elie Wiesel, am I required as a journalist to find a Holocaust denier?’ Here, climate change deniers are explicitly painted as the bad guys. He also argued that, ‘This isn’t about politics…this is about sound science’, and went so far as to claim that it would be problematic even to air the views of climate change sceptics: ‘There comes a point in journalism where striving for balance becomes irresponsible.’
Nigel Calder, former editor of New Scientist – “An experiment that hints we are wrong on climate change”
So one awkward question you can ask, when you’re forking out those extra taxes for climate change, is “Why is east Antarctica getting colder?” It makes no sense at all if carbon dioxide is driving global warming. While you’re at it, you might inquire whether Gordon Brown will give you a refund if it’s confirmed that global warming has stopped. The best measurements of global air temperatures come from American weather satellites, and they show wobbles but no overall change since 1999.
Tom Brodbeck on “pack journalism”;
It’s not because there aren’t qualified scientists out there who are skeptical about the findings or who reject them entirely. There are plenty. I’ve heard from them before. But for some reason, reporters and editors chose not to tell that side of the story.
Is environmentalism the new religion?
“The track record of any kind of long-distance prediction is really bad, but everyone’s still really interested in it. It’s sort of a way of picturing the future. But we can’t make long-term predictions of the economy, and we can’t make long-term predictions of the climate,” Dr. Orrell said in an interview. After all, he said, scientists cannot even write the equation of a cloud, let alone make a workable model of the climate.
And public response? Watch not what they say. Watch what they drive.
That’s just a small sampling of what I’ve seen and received. Use the comments for your own on-topic links.
“There is nothing that says “Canadian identity” more than the scent of Arctic Cat exhaust hanging in the air”
If anyone has really been up north of 60, you will notice at first every building and vehicle smells like diesel or coal oil. After a while it seems to go away. When you return to civilization, everyone will notice that you smell like coal oil and diesel.
Weather cycles are just that: cycles. The output of the sun has been known to change also. There are a million and one reasons that climate changes and man is but one of them. Not as great on the impact scale as some would like but there is some small influence. I’m just waiting for one of those rip snorting volcanoes to go off and really screw Suzuki & Gore up. Hell, St Helen’s ash was screwing up jet engines in Moose Jaw and that wasn’t really that big as far as volcanoes go.
Texas Canuck: “Weather cycles are just that: cycles. The output of the sun has been known to change also.”
For anyone who thinks the debate is over, Here’s what Dr. Landscheidt had to say:
New Little Ice Age by 2030!
Analysis of the sun’s activity in the last two millennia indicates that, contrary to the
IPCC’s speculation about man-made global warming, that we could be headed into
a Maunder minimum type of climate (a Little Ice Age).
The probability is high that the minima around 2030 and 2201 will go along with
periods of cold climate comparable to the nadir of the Little Ice Age, and La Niñas
will be more frequent and stronger than El Niños through 2018 (Landscheidt, 2000).
//www.iceagenow.com/New%20Little%20Ice%20Age.htm
Flex the powerband people, grab a handfull of throttle, drop it down a cog and accelerate!
found this waaay down on the bottom of ctv.ca sci-tech section faqs
Who wrote that summary?
A team of government officials working in secret. They worked from the main report (a draft was released last spring). Their names are listed on the report.
Who wrote the main report?
A global team of 600 scientists. Another 600 scientists reviewed what they wrote. Each member government had a chance to respond and suggest revisions.
Beware of false prophets. Ever heard that phrase before. All the followers of this false religion proves is that we as people need to believe in something.
If algore, suzuki and other fear mongers get their way, what will they do with all their money, as we will all be reduced to nothing, as will the economy of the world. Now there is a draft algore for president, because he has been nominated for the nobel peace prize. Does that mean we should also draft Rush Limbaugh for the same reason.
Can anyone name any false prophet or phoney evangelist that has not evenutally been exposed.
How many cult members have willingly gone on their final journey, by kool-aid, suicide, or burning. Change that from kool-aid to kook-aid.
Mary T, the Dems don’t think HC or Hussein Obama can win, they’re much more comfortable with the idea of having the guy who invented the internet being their leader.
HA!HA!HA!HA!HA!HA!
Thanks for the cheery outlook Gunney99. Looks like I’ll have to put runners on my walker to get anywhere. I wonder if Canada Health and Wellness will cover that? And what about those three shells, John Spartan?
Interesting how the talk show hosts get their shorts in a trist when someone has the gaul to suggest that climate change may not be as severe as the so called experts say.
Lately when I hear anyone bring up Maurice Strongs name in relationship to Y2Koto the caller is imediately cut off and called a conspiracy theorist.
When will the media become a reporting entity and not a pusher of things to tax.
something_fell – Right, I remember the Cult of Chaos Theory –
I remember sitting in our University Senate one time, and listening to a senior Sociologist-Feminist-Postmodernist and so on, crooning on about how we couldn’t set standards, how we must ‘be open’, how ‘the butterfly flaps its wings’…
At which point, I sneezed. And then said – “So much for that butterfly”. My senior colleague was Not Pleased.
But heck, if a butterfly can flap, so can I. Ahh, the power.
http://www.ted.com/tedtalks/tedtalksplayer.cfm?key=b_lomborg
Kate
It is a true Canadian that can appreciate the smell of a snowmobile(prefer Polaris…..sorry) on a bright crisp winter morning.
Nothing, I mean nothing can take me back to my childhood faster than the smoke from a two stroke starting up.
And more than once someone I have worked with has made the quote “I love the smell of diesel in the morning”
Only in Canada and more specifically, only in the west!
In the Moscow Times link Vitruvius mentioned Susan Eisenhower wrote: “Communist ideology demanded that there be no contradictions between the laws of nature and the teachings of Marxist philosophy…even the laws of nature were expected to coincide with Stalin’s evolving interpretations of Marxist philosophy.”
Sounds familiar, doesn’t it? “Kyoto” has become so widely and mindlessly synonymous with goodness and babies, which can only be seen as a victory for the left. The only positive in it for the rest of us is that maybe this will be a wakeup call to all those who still think that a partisan, agenda-driven, fraudulent media is a mere annoyance.
Without the constant propaganda we could never have got to this point of being on the cusp of implementing a global scheme borne on a broad-base of supporters who don’t have the first idea about all the contradictory evidence to the findings that Kyoto is supposedly based on, and who don’t have the slightest idea about what implementation would mean in terms of their living standards and their freedoms.
To me, the final proof of the media’s complicity in promoting Kyoto has been their absolute expunging of Maurice Strong from broadcast coverage. His unabashed world-government ideology, his connection to UN scandals, his profound power in the Liberal party for over forty years, even just the fact of his existence, it’s apparently all just too nuanced for Good Canadians to hear.
Plus it wouldn’t be very good for the Liberal Party of Canada. Imagine catching Keith Boag, mid-report, giving a bit of Kyoto background..
“Through his work in UNESCO, Strong promotes Gaia, the Earth God, among the world’s youth. Strong is also the director of the Temple of Understanding in New York, which he uses to encourage Americans concerned about the environment to replace Christianity with the worship of ‘mother earth'”.
“Strong also directs the UN’s Business Council on Sustainable Development. Under his leadership, the council tries to affect people’s lives through UN policies that attempt to reduce the availability of meat products, and to discourage private ownership of motor vehicles, encroach on property rights, and work to reduce the number of single family homes. And make no mistake, Peter, the records show clearly that Kyoto itself was conceived by Strong as a step towards a world government based in the UN.”
Mansbridge: “Sounds kind of scary, Keith. Why didn’t this information come to light before, do you think?”
Boag: “Well, actually, Peter, it’s all been available from day one. We just didn’t report any of it.”
Mansbridge: “All right, Keith, thank you. Keith Boag, in Ottawa.”
(The imaginary Boag report includes information from http://www.nationalcenter.org/DossierStrong.html and sovereignty.net/p/sd/strong.html )
** Watch what they drive **
A medium small western town like Courtney / Comox on Vancouver Island seem to be SUV heavy.
Is it the logging, fishing and military heritage? Next to SUVs are the extended cab pick up gazoiline guzzlers, hereabouts.
I like my go anywhere 4cyl Jeep, but 4cyl in a Jeep is not exactly eco-friendly.
Would I buy GM*s new Volt? Would you?
GM vice-chairman Bob Lutz says, Chev*s new concept car, the Volt, is not really a hybrid as the small three cylinder engine is for charging the battery, not driving the wheels.
The Volt consumes about 4.7 litres of gasoline per 100 KM replenishing the battery. With about 50 litres on board, this gives the Volt a range of almost 1,000 KM.
More importantly, Lutz says, those who drive less than 64KM in an average day would never have to use the gas motor at all. Based on a typical motorist*s 24,000 KM-per-year usage. That translates to a 2,000 litres saving per year. [or $2000 at $1 per litre.], compared to a typical compact car. Not to mention 4 tonnes of CO2 emissions not emitted.
The Volt*s auxiliary power need not run on gasoline. With technology improvements, it could run on a variety of fuels such as E85, biodiesel, or hydrogen, due to the Volt E-Flex system. Photo. .
TonyGuitar.blogspot.com
I dunno. Is it rugged at all? = TG
Jeff; Smokers and pedophiles do not belong in the same sentence – you have been watching too much politically correct T.V. Please retract that statement – I smoke tobacco and I am of the opinion that second hand smoke ‘death watch’ hysteria is as much a hoax as Koyota. It is not about tobacco, it is about control.
I live in the Yukon where a lot of people smoke. The pathetic city council, in the city of Whitehorse, banned smoking in all public places. Guess what – a lot of the PRIVATLY owned (errr..’owner’ pays the taxes)bars and restaurants are going bankrupt because of this intolerant Nazi type legislation. Grown up people make their own choices, there is room for smoking and non smoking establishments in an adult society. Smokers will not step outside when it is 40 below to smoke on their own time – at work – yes- after work, it is much more comfortable to go home or to a friends place for a smoke and a drink. You might not like it but that is how it is.
BTW, I happen to believe that bars are not health spas – drinking alcohol and smoking are choices (enjoyable vices) – one is no worse than the other, IMO.
I like the Chec President’s message on owning private property. I think Private Property ownership is the foundation of Freedom. If we had such a concept in this country, we would not have a monopolistic Canadian wheat board or bars, restaurants, legions etc. going broke because they must kick out patrons who choose to smoke a legal substance.
Nigel Calder doesn’t find AGW to be credible but he’s willing to believe that cosmic rays govern the world’s climate even though levels of cosmic rays have been flat for the past 50 years and their effect on climate is completely unproven.
The idea of cosmic rays influencing climate is in its infancy and it can’t be entirely dismissed or disproven however unlikely it seems. But it’s an awfully long and thin branch to crawl out on without any hard evidence.
“……….. objective journalism.”
Posted by: another skeptic at February 12, 2007 5:20 PM
SAY WHAT !!!!!????!!!?!!?!
They got 8 to 9 feet of snow there in the state of NEW YORK and they will still blame it on GLOBAL WARMING and where is AL GORE and his HOT AIR?
“This was trotted out as the standard illustration of how the weather was a textbook “chaotic system”, one which was – by definition – impossible to predict with any accuracy.”
I predict that in six months from now temperatures in the Northern Hemisphere will be at least ten degrees celcius warmer than they are now.
“My suspicion of the whole thing being a conspiracy in which dissidents are treated like lepers and in which there’s actually no particular science underlying the theory is being supported every day by evidence I come across… and I’m blogging it as I find it.”
Good luck with the whole “It’s a Conspiracy” meme. Let me know when you found the climatologist on the grassy gnoll. Conspiracy theories are always fantasies. Their appeal doesn’t last long in all but the most seriously unhinged.
“The idea of cosmic rays influencing climate is in its infancy”
I…I…can’t even comment on the stupidity of this statement, other than to say, it’s amazing that Jose’s brain is still able to perform rudimentary tasks, like supporting his life.
“The idea of cosmic rays influencing climate is in its infancy”
I…I…can’t even comment on the stupidity of this statement, other than to say, it’s amazing that Jose’s brain is still able to perform rudimentary tasks, like supporting his life.
Posted by: irwin daisy at February 13, 2007 11:44 AM
A leak in the tin foil hat, perhaps?
A caller on a talk show over the weekend (Money Talks) suggested that the GW nonsense was a cover up.
I have to think the guy may have been on to something. Left wing Parties can’t get elected if the terrorist threat is the predominant preoccupation of the electorate. They need a crisis of the more touchy-feeley variety to frighten the voter.
Conspiracy is always fun . . .
Here are some pollution facts for B.C.
Alcan has special deals with the provincial government for huge dams to make Aluminium and chemicals. No big pollution there, eh, oh knowlegable one?
Well count me uninformed! I had no idea; not even a suspicion.
Alcan at Kitimat BC is the BIGGEST polluter.
52.8 Million kg.
In contrast, the next biggest polluter is Duke Energy, Pine River gas plant.
13.3 Million kg.
The rest, 8 pulp and paper plants and a couple of refineries, are in the
5 to 9 Million kg zone.
Compared to other plants, it looks as though Canfor Pulp and Paper in Prince George is doing something WRONG.
pollutionwatch.org/pressroom/releases/0051012b.jsp
http://tinyurl.com/2s3xng
Speaking of Alcan, [ *Black Bart*], seems their scam power proposal was turned down by Gordon Campbell*s provincial government for fear of being hung from the yardarm when the opposition makes Alcan*s record known during the next election campaign.
I always said Alcan*s anitiquated methods were a terrible waste of hydro power. I had no idea of the pollution however. = TG
“He is really exceptional in his energy, his range of comprehension, and his quality as a writer…. Nigel Calder remains supreme in his range and depth…he goes to immense trouble to get things right, and also takes pains with the clarity and elegance of his writing.”–Sir Martin Rees, FRS, Astronomer Royal
“Conspiracy theories are always fantasies. Their appeal doesn’t last long in all but the most seriously unhinged”
You mean like “Climate change DENIERS are all in the pockets of Big Oil, bent on destroying the world for petroleum profits”?
That kind of conspiracy theory?
Make you a deal, Jose. We’ll produce our “grassy knoll” climatologist the day you produce a “climate scientist” who can prove any convincing level of AGW using non-modelling (ie, laboratory or experimental) techniques. You know, the kind of non-subjective reproducable experimentation that doesn’t require coding of data to promote “hockey stick graphs” or other some such hilarity.
Deal?
mhb23re
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EBD at February 13, 2007 1:18 AM:
Great post.
The global Left thinks it has finally found the premier issue upon which to accelerate their attempt at destroying free enterprise and freedom generally in the capitalist free democracies of the planet
Ever wonder where all the hippie-dippy anti-capitalist Western loathers slunk to, once the Iron Curtain fell?
Scary thing is, that the “consensus” of the so-called “climate scientists” (many of whom are in totally unrelated fields, such as biology [Suzuki]) and the complicit MSM have really struck fear into the hearts of many Canucks, who believe we’re all doomed unless we ditch the SUV’s for smart cars, turn the winter thermo down to 60 F and toss the central air in the trashbin this coming spring.
Ain’t. Gonna. Happen.
John – this is a great summary of Kyoto. I’m gonna steal it, K?
mhb23re
I’ve written an article on The Climat Code program on TWC. Here’s the link:
http://potbellystove.blogspot.com/2007/02/climate-code-on-twc.html
I hope you well informed world enviro-engineers can fix things.
In the mean-time, this hybrid and EV stuff looks like a money saver and I would enjoy the fun of almost silent mountain roads driving.
Government of BC enviro web site:
Point of Sale Tax Reduction
Alternative fuel vehicles are new bi-fuel, hybrid
electric and other vehicles manufactured to operate
exclusively on electricity, ethanol, methanol, natural
gas or propane. Qualifying alternative fuel vehicles
have in the past been eligible for a refund of all or a
portion of the tax paid on the purchase or lease of
the vehicle.
Effective February 16, 2005, the refund is replaced
with a point of sale tax reduction. This means that
you may obtain the benefit of the tax reduction at
the time of purchasing or leasing a qualifying
vehicle rather than applying for a refund after
the sale or lease has taken place.
Motor vehicle dealers are provided with information
on eligible vehicles and on procedures for providing
the tax reductions at the time of sale or lease. The
point of sale tax reduction applies to all purchases
and leases of alternative fuel vehicles that take
place on or after February 16, 2005. Vehicles
Qualifying hybrid electric vehicles (not passenger
buses or shuttle buses) are eligible for a temporary,
but increased, tax reduction to a maximum of
$2,000. The tax reduction applies to new qualifying
hybrid electric vehicles purchased or leased on or
after February 16, 2005 and before April 1, 2008.
On April 1, 2008, the tax reduction amount will be
reduced to a maximum of $1,000 and will be
eliminated on April 1, 2009.
More Info: Bulletin SST 087, Alternative Fuel
Vehicles: Calculating the Tax Reduction
rev.gov.bc.ca/ctb/publications/bulletins/sst_085.pdf
Add $2000 rebate and $2000 in gas you don*t buy in the first year
and the Hybrid or EV begins to look viable. And I just heard on
the news that Gordon plans to raise rebate values. =TG