Stephane Chavez

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LIB MP HOLLAND: “THERE WILL BE CONSEQUENCES”
When will the Mainstream Media start covering the Liberal Agenda?
by Charles Adler
As I apply my ink stained fingers to the trusty keyboard, it’s been more than 72 hours since Mark Holland, the Liberal Natural Resources critic, belched out the most threatening words I have heard in a political conversation in years.
But for some reason the Mainstream Media has seen them not worthy of attention.
Pierre Bourque of the Bourque Newswatch asked me to scribble my thoughts on the interview with the Liberal MP which contained serious threats to the Western Canadian economy all in the name of respecting Kyoto.
When I asked Holland whether a Liberal government under Stephane Dion would shut down or limit oil sands production if necessary to meet Kyoto targets, his response was, “Exactly.” He then went on to say “I think what you are going to see is we’re going to say you cannot exploit that resource, basically go in there and pump it out as fast as you can to give it to the Americans and sell out our national interests and blow apart our emissions targets.”
[…]
It’s much easier for Liberals to demagogue the issue and pretend that it is ALBERTA energy that embarasses Canada in the hallowed shrine of Kyoto. Perhaps one ought to stop giving the mainstream media excuses for ignoring Mark Hollands sourgas? Maybe it’s the oldest reason in the hills. Holland is to the left of the Canadian centre. Does anyone doubt that if a member of Harper’s gang were to say something that came right out of rightfield that might be embarassing to the leadership that it would find itself planted firmly on the front pages as well as the teleprompters of Mansbridge, Robertson and Newman?
Warren Kinsella, who was interviewed on Adler on Line after Mark Holland offered his emissions, said he coudln’t believe what Holland was saying and thought the Liberal brain trust would immediately disown this stuff.
But they haven’t.
[…]
A day after Mark Holland’s threatening remarks, he appeared on my Corus colleague Dave Rutherford’s program and was asked whether a Dion government would consdier nationalizing oil companies if they didn’t meet Kyoto standards. Holland replied, “If they refuse to work with us….there will be consequences.”

(Emphasis mine). Read the whole thing here.


Charles Adler is the host of Adler on Line on the Corus Radio Network.
Via email ;

Thanks so much for posting the transcript of the interview with Mark Holland, what could be called the the real Hidden Agenda…..Some have said that he is just a crank, a quack, a loon, a publicity hound….All the above may be true. But what is also true is that he is Stephane Dion’s handpicked Natural Resources Critic. Dion has said nothing to distance himself from the remarks. So they can blow smoke about things being taken out of context. But the transcript speaks volumes of CONTEXT.
Thanks very much to you and your readers for as Michael Ignatieff would say, “Gettin’ it Done”

Original interview with Mark Holland here.
Bob Tarantino points to a Macleans feature on Mark Holland, written last December;

Big boys don’t cry. Especially over politics. Especially over Gerard freakin’ Kennedy.

92 Replies to “Stephane Chavez”

  4. The queston is does it spill beyond Albertas borders to Sask and NFLD.
    Fairly dramatic comments

  5. This is absolutely astounding,the lack of attention re comments by msm!Can someone more computer literate than I,do a search on how many times this has been even mentioned,as opposed to the blanket,outrage”doggygate” received! I watch news(both ctv/cbc) all day,cpac also..and haven’t heard a whisper.Compare that to the focus on all the MAJOR media attention PMSH got for,shaking his son’s hand,his “girth,” what NHL team he “favors,”doesn’t like NFL! I am just stunned that NOT ONE msm outlet has breathed an outrage over this.The silence truly does speak volumes,and VanDopey,Newman and ilk should be held to acc’t.for this unbelievable bias.Why didn’t Giggles,and Oliver cover this on QP today?I was waiting with baited breath,but I guess Bob Rae was more important than exposing the true Lib.agenda.Disgusting.

  6. . . . Trudeaupia, alive and well in the belly of the beast.
    Wonder what other delights the Liberals have in their secret closet, more wage & price controls perhaps ?
    Or maybe they’ll nationalize Quebec’s hydro so Ontario can keep its lights on.

  8. Time to get out the cheque book for another donation. If they won’t cover it, we will. Down with the CBC!! Financed by taxpayers and owned by the Lieberal Party of Canada.
    Staggering and a little frigtening that there’s zip MSM coverage of this.
    Pat

  9. one of your posters said holland was on duffy live . i looked and couldn’t find him . did they pull it ? deafening silence on this one . fear of the truth rules again .

  10. off topic as usual. you Kate never on topic))))
    I’m just pissed off
    How I going to explain to my kid that I have to pay this arar guy?
    That my government takes my money a gives to Syrian guy?
    He’s going to say : are stupid?
    And those guys (conservatives) asking me for my promise donation.
    It’s good I did not sent.
    So I can safe my face with my son

  11. Hollands comments might be buried now, but i’m sure Harper is planning to use them in the next election campaign strategy.

  12. Really not too surprising. This is happening all too often now. The “easy money” comment did not get the media reaction that it should have as well. It is obvious to me that Dion’s handlers are not capable of doing the job so the media has appointed themselves in that roll. Don’t be surprised if the Liberal war room is based in CBC headquarters next election!

  13. Hollands comments might be buried now, but i’m sure Harper is planning to use them in the next election campaign strategy.
    Amen. If there was any doubt, I guess we know WHICH party has the hidden agenda.

  14. “The queston is does it spill beyond Albertas borders to Sask”
    Yes – there are new reports out on oil sands exploration in Saskatchewan just in the past two weeks, and it looks extremely promising. Every word said about Alberta’s resources echoes here.
    I really want someone to get Ralph Goodale’s response on it. Someone who has the balls to interrupt the windbag once he starts rolling, that is.

  15. Question period should be interesting to see this week.Dion asks a question no one understands, and Harper and Baird make him eat Hollands words.
    Conservatives just rolled out ads from the leadership convention. And i think its safe to say they have comments and video being saved everyday for the next campaign.
    And the Libs still have Scott Reid.LOL

  16. This is further evidence of the widening gulf between the still warring factions of the Liberal Party.
    Further, it is evident there is no one in charge to the operation. Letting a wing nut like Holland travel to the West and make such outrageous comments is all the proof we need.
    There will no doubt plenty of jobs for more of the CBC media twits to follow in the footsteps of people like Susan Murray into the Liberal fold. They need HELP.

  17. i’m waiting for some noise from the alberta government on hollands “plan”. so far all i’ve heard is ralph klein.
    wakey, wakey. ed .
    HELLO!! ED !!!

  18. The siliece is deafining, but not surprising! The msm have been the drummers for the Liberano/Dipper crowd for too long to have any ethical standards. The blatent lack of fair reporting reminds me of the scene in Iraq when “Bagdad Bob’ reported that Sadam had driven the infidils out of Bagdad – with American tanks in the backgroud.
    Like their foolish friend Michael Igientiff the msm people are allowing the Liberanos to steal their integrity for false promises of ‘nice soft furs’ in the future. It is all unraveling, the whole filthy plot against the people of free nations – and the msm will be tarred and feathered with the crooks that they have aligned themselves with – I thank the good Lord every day for the change in government that the people of this country choose last year. I still have hope for this nation because we now have a honorable, intellegent, just Prime Minister and a government that has the people of this nation in mind when they make decisions.
    I wouldalso like to add that the internet has made a huge change in the public perception. People like Sammy and I now watch the news to find flaws, half truths, lies by ommission, unfair reporting etc.; not to learn something. Even the Dionidites know that their guy, French citizen Dion, is not a leader that people can trust.
    We are seeing the last, desperate stand of a putrid, empty, weak, useless, terrified regime. the people with ties to the crooks are now taking their last stand against the Canadian people; hoping to bury their crimes before the taxpayers of this nation take them to court and trow them in the jail house.
    The media is indeed hanging on by their fingernails and they are willing to let their credability, as reporters, go right down the drain.

  19. Bourque appears to be no fan of Dion. He is all over this story. He gets enough readership that he will shame the MSM into covering this eventually.
    He’s also linked to Free Dominion’s (!) post about Dion being unfit to lead the country.

  20. Ralph Klein told my radio audience, “I have a message for the honourable member from Ajax Pickering. Stay out of our business.”
    Alberta needs more than Ralph’s voice on this. There should be a deafening roar coming out of the west.
    I’m constantly astounded at how top to bottom arrogant Liberals are. Imagine this junior mp from Ajax, no less in the opposition party, dictating what he and French Citizen Dion are going to do to Alberta.
    What he said, obviously on behalf of Dion, should be taken for exactly what it means, a declaration of war.

  21. From a CPC strategist’s perspective, lets just say this recent interview, along with Kate’s link below of Dion’s hour long interview,
    is a target rich environment, to say the least.
    The question is, will the MSM be embarrased by the public being informed by the CPC of these drastic positions, or will they begrudgingly cover it, for no other reason than to not looked “scooped” by the conservatives.

  22. Jema54: Agreed the media is hanging on but it is still very powerful, especially in Canada. Only a relative handful of people use the Internet as their primary source of news and many of those go to the so called progressive sources. The constant bombardment of lies, ommissions and half-truths do leave a lasting impression on Canadians who are just busy leading their lives and not concerned about the inside baseball of politics or media.
    My impression is that conservative parties in both Canada and the US do much better in the elections than in the ongoing polls because of equal opportunity advertising. The conservatives for a period of a month or two can get their message out via ads and all candidate panels. If done well they win or at least go up in the polls.
    As the MSM declines and the Internet increases as a primary news source conservative everywhere will have a better chance. The MSM will not go down without a fight and they are getting more and more desperate. The next 5 to 10 years will be fascinating to watch the evolution of politics and media.

  24. i’m waiting for some noise from the Alberta government on Holland’s “plan”. so far all I’ve heard is Ralph Klein.
    wakey, wakey. ed .
    HELLO!! ED !!!
    john demerais :
    You will wait in vain while Honest ED the “nice “guy does nothing. He’s out of his depth. Its why we needed a warrior instead of a rabbit.
    Ted Morton was that hunter. Now where at the mercy of the vandals, & not a peep from the Legislature over this outrageous remark.
    The Alberta Separatist party is looking better & better all the time.
    This is what comes of voting ethnically or by gender or any criteria except their platform. Ed did not have one. Now we pay. As does the ROC, when we have been forced by circumstances & evil to leave. Soon real soon.
    Time to put paid to the Gangland tactics of this tattered Nation of leftist leeches. For the rest of us. How could we have did this to ourselves? I mean all of the Canada’s? Why have we allowed the media to blind us all these years as conservatives, while these pigs paid them off in political offices? We slept as the lefties have sucked the life out of this psudo-democracy.
    The Republic of Alberta sounds mighty fine to me. If the rest of the West leaves we will have to come up with something more encompassing.
    Like say. The Republic of Free Provinces or the United States of Northern America or such.
    It is now not a matter of when to leave, but how to without a civil war.
    Yes it will spill into all the Western provinces like black filth from a sewer. BC’s recovery as well as Sask.’s will be taken over, the resources become a part of Quebec-Ontario ruling class . No more development & further loss of population with its attendant manpower. As well as poverty. This time with no producing provinces since socialism kills industry. So no payments to us. They will be too busy sucking in our money to pay their own companions in thievery. .
    Frankly not a sound from the regular media on this, perhaps the most important story of this time in this Country at war.
    Is in the least forbidding. In the extreme we now know we live under an umbrella of lies by these manipulators. Can any truth now come out of any of our news organizations. I am really wondering if not apprehensive.
    Just my opinion

  25. I don’t know why you guys and gals are surprised by this. This is standard Liberal procedure, kids.
    Identify a boogyman constituency who doesn’t vote Liberal, demonize the crap out of them and then make money while punishing them for not voting Liberal.
    Here’s three recent examples off the top of my head. Gun owners were declared the enemy and they milked 2 billion out of that cow. The Serperatists have been the source of endless billions of wasted dollars, Adscam was just the latest and stupidest. When was the last time farmers got a tax break or anything other than a kick in the teeth from the federal Liberals. Mad cow anyone?
    Now we have Kyoto. The Libs already lost the West’s votes. They don’t care a damn what happens to the oil sands, because they aren’t getting anything out of it. If they “nationalize” (read “steal”) it and gain votes in Kyoto loving Ontario, the Maritimes and Quebec by slapping down uppity, red neck Alberta, its all good. Economy nose dives? No problem, just blame Alberta and winter in the Bahamas as usual.
    Are we getting this now? How many times do they have to do it before you understand the pattern?

  27. Listen and learn!
    This is not the first time and it won’t be the last time that Lieberals are caught proposing or implementing discriminatory policy.
    The difference now is that there is a medium to distribute this information. As you have adequately perceived news that reflects badly on the Lieberals will NOT be widely distributed by the old media, so it will incumbent on individuals in the internet community to distribute these blatant examples of arrogant and poorly thought-out ideas emanating from the Lieberals and Dippers.
    Whether this will be adequate to the task of defeating the Lieberals remains to be seen.
    If you are truly outraged, perhaps you should do something more than bleat and contribute to the party that you believe can destroy this axis of liars and complicit journalists. You know the one.

  28. We should all be watching Chavez in Venezuala. He has just granted himself unlimited powers. Would dion do the same. Yes. Will the Venezualan economy collapse and will US and other foreign investment leave. Yes, except from Iran. Dion thinks devastating Alberta will be good for Ont and Que. Didn’t Ont have a serious recession during the nep. As has been stated, much of the equipment etc comes from Ont. Their jobs are on the line also.
    Dion plans to do to Canada what Chavez is doing to Venezuala. Bet if he is elected PM his first official visit will be to Chavez, and then Cuba.
    Now we need to see pics of Codere marching with the hezzies and their green flags, and Dion with his green ribbon. Is there one liberal in TO that has the guts to break from the crooks and liar, and start a new party of true liberals. I doubt it, they are to entrenched in their la la land wearing rose colored glasses.

  29. Adler: When I asked Holland whether a Liberal government under Stephane Dion would shut down or limit oil sands production if necessary to meet Kyoto targets, his response was, “Exactly.” …-
    Holland, the mouthpiece, has spoken for Dion and the Liberal Party of Canada.
    “Exactly.”
    Oil sands in Alberta to be shut down, or, the production limited, Holland says.
    “Exactly.”
    There is no nuance, no equivocation, in that word.
    “Exactly.”

  31. Stephane Dion is a type of character whom I don’t think we have seen before in Canada – the incorruptible, driven, intellectual, ruthless, fanatic. He is our own Saint-Just (Saint-Just organised the Terror during the French Revolution); or perhaps our own Mikhail Suslov. That combination of character traits is extermely dangerous. If Stephane Dion gains power we would be lucky indeed if all he does is to shut down the oil sands and damage our economy. Both Saint-Just and Suslov were murderers, all in a good cause of course, and I fear that Dion would follow their examples.
    It is easy to imagine how things might go – a Dion government moves to nationalise the oil sands; the Alberta government protests and begins to prepare for secession; and then the Alberta cabinet is arrested and jailed on charges of treason …
    Impossible in Canada, you say? Well, I would have said that Stepane Dion was the impossible choice as Liberal leader, until he BECAME Liberal leader. The rest is just the way things happen in much of the world.

  32. We have no need to run and talk of sparation.
    We have the reins of power right now. We have the means to control our own destiny and the destiny of Canada. Fight for Canada as we want it to be and not weakly blather about republics etc. We fought and got a minority last time. Fight again and next time we will have a majority and can make some real, substantial changes.
    Why step backwards when we have just now made strides? PM Harper has vision, has leadership and continues to outmaneuver and embarrass the left. Stay focused on the prize.
    enough

  33. John Lewis et al, the one thing missing from your equation is that in order for the West to break with Canada we would need an armed uprising. The Liberal party has seen to it that if things begin to go awry in Western Canada they will be able to send in our under-equipped army to surpress any armed revolt. The back room Liberal boys have already played this scenario out, first step is to confiscate the registered guns, then surpressing a revolt is a “piece of Cake”. So before you start talking about a ‘Western Republic of Canada’ make sure you have the where-withal to fight back because that’s what it is going to be all about.

  34. off topic
    alert, alert
    bombardion running commercials during super bowl to counter CPC ads
    why else would bombardion be running ads during a football game???
    it is obvious why the CPC is targeting that audience, but bombardion????
    either a pump & dump, or blatant political interference

  35. Allons enfants de la Patrie
    Le jour de gloire est arrivé !
    Contre nous de la tyrannie! A bas de la tyrannie de Quebec. Vivre L’alberta libre!

  36. It looks like the Tories will have to run some additional ads on tv to ensure that this event is covered by MSM. What a shame!

  37. People are right to be upset about this, but venting one’s spleen on Kate’s blog will do no good. It would be a whole lot more effective to send a letter to those politicians whose job it is to protect against this encroachment. Start with a letter to Ed Stelmach.
    http:// premier . alberta . ca / contact/

  38. The latte crowd in the GTA doesn’t hear any of our comments on boards like this, and they won’t stop them from voting Liebral; in fact, it may even encourage more of them to vote Liebral.
    Alberta’s leadership (and perhaps that of the other western provinces as well) must stand up and say clearly to the east that federal interference in how it develops its resources will be met by only one response; a clear question on separation. Mr. Dion may yet see his Clarity Act put to use, but not in the way he expected.

  39. Its not just those in Alberta who should be wary. Ontario is second to Alberta when it comes to refinery’s and its petrochemical industry accounts for fifty percent of Canada’s production.
    We benefit from those that work for the “easy money” and the expansion of the oil sands. Recently there has been talk of another refinery being built along the St Clair. Its not a done deal I don’t think , and I do know one local community is placing a lot of hope its a go.
    We should be just as alarmed as those of you in Alberta.

  40. What a load.
    Time for some reality. 300 million Americans want oil from the Tar Sands. 3 million Albertans want to sell it to them.
    A liberal collection of scraggly homos, flakes and fwenchmen want to stop it.
    Do the math morons.

  41. There certainly will be consequences.
    If the Libranos try to screw Alberta one more time like Commie Truedough and Hatchetman Lalonde, I fail to see how Albertans will sit still and take it.
    Wonder what the exchange rate on the Quebec Franc will be?
    Who knows, maybe there will even be a futures market for the QF.

  43. The MSM is the liberal party of Canada.
    They do not want to scare the crap out of people and reveal what they are really about, thus engage in ‘projection’ as method of diverting attention from themselves and attacking their rivals.
    Is it working? Well it kept them in power for decades when they did not deserve it.
    WE as conservatives need to get the word out ourselves anyway we can.. complaining that our enemies will not help us is a waste of time IMHO.

  44. Dion effectively wants to transfer wealth to Saudia Arabia and Venezuala
    Oil’s a worldwide commodity. Stopping Alta. exports won’t mean less consumption, it will just mean more sales by Chavez and Co.

  46. It’s not Saudi Arabia and Venezuela Dion wishes to serve, it’s Mo Strong and China. He and his party of progressive intelligentsia are still recovering from the Soviet collapse, all they have left is anticapitalism and antiAmericanism. Lawrence Martin said, in a recent column in the Globe and Mail, China is the way of the future.
    http://ff.org/centers/csspp/pdf/20070201_monckton.pdf
    “China, with 30,000 coal mines, is opening a new pit every week and a new coal-fired power
    station every five days until 2012. Well before then, China will overtake the US as the world’s
    largest emitter of greenhouse gases.”
    China will also be building dozens of nuclear power plants.
    “Even if the US were to shut down its entire economy, growth in emissions from fast-emerging
    new polluters such as China, India, Indonesia, Russia, and Brazil would replace the US emissions
    within the next quarter of a century.”
    “Of the UN’s six modeled scenarios, three are extreme exaggerations. Two assume that population
    will reach 15bn by 2100, though demographers say population will peak at 10bn in 40 years and
    then plummet.”
    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/graphics/2006/11/05/warm-refs.pdf
    “UN 2001 assumes that world population will rise to 15 billion by 2100. Most serious demographic
    projections are that world population will peak at ~10bn in 2050, declining rapidly thereafter.”
    It may well be that the Liberals are better at reading the writing on the wall. It may well be that democracy and freedom, historically recent and very hard won experiments, are doomed. 10 billion, 15 billion, it doesn’t really matter, someone’s going to have to explain to them the harsh facts of life… starting with extreme poverty for 90% or so of the world population. One can see the appeal of the Chinese model to the Liberals, it still pays lip service to Marx while running tanks at demonstrators. Organ harvesting from religious groups, forced abortions, it all must make little Stephane tremble with excitement. Remember Paul Martin’s dream of a pipeline across a thousand kilometers of mountains to the Pacific coast, so the tar sands oil could ship to China? Remember the Chinese ambassador at the Liberal leadership convention in Montreal? Down with the Americans, the Liberals are rushing to embrace their new Chinese masters.
    You want to talk about “secret agendas”?
    Note: “population will peak at 10bn in 40 years and then plummet” and “most serious demographic
    projections are that world population will peak at ~10bn in 2050, declining rapidly thereafter”.
    And what, pray tell, will cause a population of 10 billion to “plummet” or “decline rapidly”? I’m sure a world dominated by one superpower, China, can think of something.
    Vote Liberal.

  47. certainly going to go a long way to promote simmering resentment and murmuring and revival of the topic of alta separation.
    wouldnt blame them if they did, especially if the ‘nationalization’ thing kicked in.

  49. As I have pointed out elsewhere, Mark Holland is the MP for Ajax-Pickering. Someone needs to ask him the following questions:
    1. Seeing as Ontario Power Generation is by far the largest greenhouse gas emitter in Canada, is he in favour of expanding the OPG Pickering Nuclear facility in his own riding?
    2. Ajax -Pickering is a bedroom community where everyone drives to work, drives to school, drives to shop. Everyone. (For what it is worth, Durham Transit was on strike for three months last year.) So how will he tell all his constituents to change the way they live?
    The Liberals smugly take their Ontario base for granted, and feed them the Alberta boogie man. Take no losers.

  50. Don’t look now, but it looks like George W. You-know-who is implementing an NEP in Iraq:
    BAGHDAD, Dec. 8 — Iraqi officials are near agreement on a national oil law that would give the central government the power to distribute current and future oil revenues to the provinces or regions, based on their population, Iraqi and American officials say.
    If enacted, the measure, drafted by a committee of politicians and ministers, could help resolve a highly divisive issue that has consistently blocked efforts to reconcile the country’s feuding ethnic and sectarian factions. Sunni Arabs, who lead the insurgency, have opposed the idea of regional autonomy for fear that they would be deprived of a fair share of the country’s oil wealth, which is concentrated in the Shiite south and Kurdish north.
    The Iraq Study Group report stressed that an oil law guaranteeing an equitable distribution of revenues was crucial to the process of national reconciliation, and thus to ending the war.
    Very Trudeaupian. But I don’t think that government forcibly confiscating and then redistributing wealth is a very good way to make a country peaceful.
    The idea of “conservatives” using billions or trillions of dollars of taxpayer money in order to build and enhance the welfare state in foreign lands is a little bit ironic … until you remember that pretty much the only plank in their domestic platform is to raise spending, create new entitlements, expand existing entitlements … oh yes and cut taxes by a miniscule amount.
    The welfare state is a pyramid scheme and once it has filled every niche of a government’s legitimate jurisdiction it must continue expanding elsewhere in order to stave off collapse. Stephen Harper wants to expand the welfare state into Afghanistan at the point of a gun, whereas Stephane Dion wants to expand it into China and Russia using carbon credit cheques. They’re steering the ship of state toward the same cliff, via slightly different routes. Probably they’ll compromise and we’ll get it all – continuing and expanded NEPs, CWBs, Medicares, scholarship funds, etc. funded by taxpayers in the middle east, plus international CO2 payola, plus expanded “sharing” inside of Canada, from feds to provinces, feds to municipalities, and so on. Fortunately it won’t be hard for our future governments to meet all these new commitments, because the dollar will be worth much, much less than it is now.

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